What is the lake of fire

[WhiteWings]

I have trouble envisioning the lake of fire. Is it the second death ? Does God kill people in it only to raise them again?

Jock

My unfinished view on it: http://home.online.nl/spamfree/

Also: http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/lake-of-fire-molten-sea-of-glass-laver/msg119448/#msg119448

[mplsfitter539]

I have trouble envisioning the lake of fire. Is it the second death ? Does God kill people in it only to raise them again?

Jock

My unfinished view on it: http://home.online.nl/spamfree/

Also: http://tentmaker.org/forum/lounge/lake-of-fire-molten-sea-of-glass-laver/msg119448/#msg119448

Thank you WW I clicked on your link and only read a small portion of the material. It looks good so far.

[WhiteWings]

Not claiming error free but I'm quite happy with the first part. The last part is really work in progress.
Somehow I know for sure the Lake of Fire is in God's throne room. (Solom had one too)
But I can't get it proven. Not Scriputally and not not lingustally.
I you/anyone has the solution....

[JulieTang84]

Lake of Purification.
Why a lake? Figurative for Large and deep. The purification will happen on a mass scale and will reach to the center core of being, very deep.
But is it a Lake,  I don't think so.
Mal 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap.
Might even be a cold soapy washtub. Not as dramatic, but likely as effective.


Either way "refiners fire" denotes refining the raw materail, burning away impurities whilst the "launderes soap" indicates washing away all of the filth and grime.


Love Julie :HeartThrob:

[WhiteWings]

Lake of Fire is just another name for the Temple Laver which contained pure molten gold in a symbolic way.
Well, my view is found  in the both links.

[micah7:9]

The Lake of Fire is HIM...REALLY Him. :dsunny:

[WhiteWings]

If you read my site you will see we almost agree. Our view is really close.

I think LoF is HS=Law. But HS is the very essence of Father Himself.

[jbertonbounds]

IMO, the term "lake of fire" is obviously figurative because fire, by nature, does not pool up into a lake.  I suppose one could stretch his imagination to make it work as a literal term, but as far as I'm concerned, it's obviously NOT LITERAL.  UR makes sense. :dsunny:

ET'ers overlook all sensible logic like that and say, "You can't use human logic!" :punish:
Oh, really?  Then why was I given the ability to reason? :banana:

[WhiteWings]

Moses received the FIRE law.
Brimstone was widely in use to for medical purposes, get rid of bugs in a house, purify temples.
It was even considered divine.
So that lake of fire is filled with a burning law and purifying brimstone.
You don't know me yet (I think) so I will say I never promoted the view of even the tiniest flame in that lake. If you read my posts regarding LoF you will see I actually spend lots of time proving it's not literal fire.
So even if it looks like I hint at fire it's not what I intend to say. English isn't my 1st language so bear with me  :Peace2:

[jbertonbounds]

IMO, the term "lake of fire" is obviously figurative because fire, by nature, does not pool up into a lake.  I suppose one could stretch his imagination to make it work as a literal term, but as far as I'm concerned, it's obviously NOT LITERAL.  UR makes sense. :dsunny:

ET'ers overlook all sensible logic like that and say, "You can't use human logic!" :punish:
Oh, really?  Then why was I given the ability to reason? :banana:

Moses received the FIRE law.
Brimstone was widely in use to for medical purposes, get rid of bugs in a house, purify temples.
It was even considered divine.
So that lake of fire is filled with a burning law and purifying brimstone.
You don't know me yet (I think) so I will say I never promoted the view of even the tiniest flame in that lake. If you read my posts regarding LoF you will see I actually spend lots of time proving it's not literal fire.
So even if it looks like I hint at fire it's not what I intend to say. English isn't my 1st language so bear with me  :Peace2:

That was not directed at you.
It was meant only to add to the conversation.
It was a criticism of ET doctrine and ET attitudes.

[WhiteWings]

Sorry. I can say I intended no harm or negativity  :Peace2:
In sports they call it "getting into the zone".
When I am, I keep spamming 'till my keyboard melts  :icon_jokercolor:

[eaglesway]

Our God is a consuming fire :o) Jesus's eyes appeared to John as flames of fire. The eye is the light of the soul. Jesus is the fulness of deity in bodily form. Jesus is the unquenchable fire, consuming darkness, until every hidden thing is brought to light. I think we are a part the lake of fire.

The devil and His angels will be tormented in the presence of God and His holy(set apart/overcomers) messengers.  :2c:

[WhiteWings]

Yeah, I know the verse; but I think it's not exactly God who is the fire.

Anyway, I have a question that is quite on topic here. I have a strong feeling LoF, or hell in the ET mindset is right in front of the feet of the Father. In His throne room or on earth when the earth is His footstool. As I wrote a feeling because I yet have to find a verse to prove that thought. Maybe someone can....?

[fullarmor2]

  I think it may be only for those who don't make it past the White Throne Judgment. Because they have more evil going on, and so will have to be subjected to the second death. But even these people will be raised to life later on, according to 1 Cor 15.

[sheila]

  it's to do with the washing of the sacrifices in the lavers........His revealed wrd is water and fire..it both washes,refreshes

  gives life..and consumes what is not of Him.......neither cold not hot..see the ice mingled with fire...that is both very cold and very

hot.

   the no more sea in the new erth and heavens is aa purified people.  They will not be in any coonfusion any longer....

   now outside the city are but those not prepared[still in errors,fornications etc...but  as the sacrifices were in the pattern

  f the temple arrangement[preists killed washed prepared the sacrifices offered on the altaar[thus rise Peter kill and eat]

   

[sheila]

 another thing...the elements becoming so hot thaat they melt.....is the thoughts of God[El-e-ment] burning and melting

and dissolving[as tongue in mouth/eyes in sckets] of all that is in not in line with His word[fire] thus doctrines of men

and demons[sand] melt in the face of HE WHO DECLARES AND REVEALS HIS WORD AS FIRE...so sea of glass is

  the thoughts of God melting foolish sand doctrines.the wise man built his house upon the rock..the foolish on sand

  thus saved as through fire when He dissolves/melts what man judges by appearance[eyes rot] and speaks as erronous

  judgements of God[tongue in mouth while yet speaaking]

   all will be silent before Him and listen..as HE speaks reveals...is not my word like fire?

[WhiteWings]

Sheila,

I think the melting elements are gods, doctrine and philosophy. (which partly aligns with what you wrote)
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/Lake/Elements.html

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:...if they be gods,surely they be the gods of this world..even the man of sin sitting in the temple,showing

  himself that he is god.....? how can godless ones be gods?  surely they be of another spirit.......thus the man of sin

  is revealed..another spirit  in man in operation..that brings frth the corrupt image.

[CHB]

WW you could be right. Remember the fire upon the mountain when God gave the Ten Commandments, I have wondered about that. Can't remember all about it right now, would have to look it up.

CHB 

[eaglesway]

Yeah, I know the verse; but I think it's not exactly God who is the fire.

Anyway, I have a question that is quite on topic here. I have a strong feeling LoF, or hell in the ET mindset is right in front of the feet of the Father. In His throne room or on earth when the earth is His footstool. As I wrote a feeling because I yet have to find a verse to prove that thought. Maybe someone can....?

No you not that you shall judge angels?

Revelation 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

[WhiteWings]

EW, if you are answering my question I have have no idea what you are saying.

[eaglesway]

 he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

[WhiteWings]

I see. That scene could just as well take place on Pluto or in the core of the sun.
For me that verse only shows who are present. Not where they are at that moment.

[WhiteWings]

WW you could be right. Remember the fire upon the mountain when God gave the Ten Commandments, I have wondered about that. Can't remember all about it right now, would have to look it up.

CHB

Fire and flashes of light.
The word Brimstone is closely connected to a sense of flashing. Needless to say we see brimstone return in the LoF.
As a sidenote the angel guarding the gate of Eden had a flashing sword. I wonder if that word flashing had a much deeper meaning as often assumed. Is the sword that comes out of Jesus mouth in Revelation also flashing? It doesn't say so.... but knowing God is very fond of hidden connections I won't rule it out.

[eaglesway]

His radiance is like the sunlight;
He has rays flashing from His hand,
And there is the hiding of His power.