I am not UR

[RaiderGonzo]

Brother, I think you are assuming that it is the universal salvation believers as the ones who do not want fellowship or are the ones judging. You don't have to do much more than affirm the teaching of universal salvation and it will be YOU being judged, not them.  You can do it in the nicest most respectful way possible, but it's not the attitude that offends them. The doctrine is what offends them. Anyone who has any doubt about that, try it.

With all due respect, Seth

You're preaching to the choir

I have fessed up that I was long gone from the church, so in that I must insert that part of that was for the same reasons you state; thus, I have tried it.
Having said that, I must say that part of the blame -per say- falls on me, for not having the desired love and faith, and simply wishing to convert others to my understanding.

[Tom]

...and I feel like I'm fellowshiping with folks here when I'm on the forum. I think anybody who has witnessed the various disagreements among folks here would realize there aren't any "set guidelines" here other than what scripture says.

"For the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your associate as yourself."" (Galatians 5:14)

When an occasion happens spontaneously with other people in the flesh that presents an opportunity for fellowship or evangelizing, I go for it, but it's not something I actively seek anymore. I think the Lord provides the time and place when it's necessary, and we just have to know the truth to be ready to offer a rational defense of the faith. I'm definitely not into any "denomination" or "guidelines"...

Tom, I hear you, and I'm right there with you., A myriad times I can relate after the fact as to how the Lord used me to witness to others, but that does not absolve me from witnessing before the congregation

It is those that know one best, who can testify about one's faith, whether we are truly or not., and if our faith is to be a testimony for Christ, then surely we are to be present, not only when opportunity presents itself, but so too at every moment standing shoulder with every member of the body

I am but a slave in faith of the Lord Christ my God, and as such, I must never neglect the sheep, for I am one of them, and to think otherwise I would set myself apart from the congregation of Saints

thus i implore all of us to continue in being witness to Christ, both on-line as well as in true presence

I'm glad to speak the truth "in true presence" as you say, but it's not necessary to do that in a church. In fact, I think communication, especially of a spiritual nature, is most effective on a personal level. Even the hierarchal set up of the church with one man dictating doctrine to the congregation discourages good communication like you can have one on one or in a small circle of acquaintances.

[Seth]

Brother, I think you are assuming that it is the universal salvation believers as the ones who do not want fellowship or are the ones judging. You don't have to do much more than affirm the teaching of universal salvation and it will be YOU being judged, not them.  You can do it in the nicest most respectful way possible, but it's not the attitude that offends them. The doctrine is what offends them. Anyone who has any doubt about that, try it.

With all due respect, Seth

You're preaching to the choir

I have fessed up that I was long gone from the church, so in that I must insert that part of that was for the same reasons you state; thus, I have tried it.
Having said that, I must say that part of the blame -per say- falls on me, for not having the desired love and faith, and simply wishing to convert others to my understanding.

That's good that you have that level of self awareness to understand what you could have changed. But even if you had the love and faith, i don't think it matters as to the end result. Personal opinion of course.

The only universal salvation believers who can attend church in peaceful fellowship are the silent ones, at least silent on that matter.

[jbertonbounds]

On this forum, UR stands for universal reconciliation. 
Universal reconciliation is NOT what we are.
Universal reconciliation is what we believe.
I have never heard of a denomination called "Universal Reconciliation."

[jbertonbounds]

Micah,
So, never mind the labels.
Do you believe in universal reconciliation?
Do you believe that all humanity will eventually be saved?
Do you believe in hell? or annihilation? or something else?
Theses are fair questions, are they not? - surely you don't mind answering them.

[RonnyTX]

Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth....1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

Ronny to Micah:
UR,is not a denomination/sect. Now the independent Baptist,Calvinistic type of church, that I once was a member of,that was a manmade denomination/sect.

Love that scripture you quoted from 1 Titus 2:3,4. :-) For God does will all people to be saved,to be made right with God,to be put in a right relationship with God. And that's what God did for me,when I was 16 years old :-) God saved me,God put me in a right relationship with God. :-) And that by God letting me know that I was lost, bringing me to repentance towards God and taking me on,to faith in Jesus Christ. God did all of that for me and it's only been about 4 and a half years ago,that I came to see the truth,that what God did for me and some other people,before all is said and done,God will do the same for everyone! :-) Now couple the scripture you quoted,where God wills all people to be saved. Couple that with Ephesians 2:11. "In whom we also have obtained an inheritence, being predestinated according to the purpose of him (God) who works all things after the counsel of His own will." And what we see is,if God wills a thing to happen,then that will surely come about.

[micah7:9]

Micah,
So, never mind the labels.
Do you believe in universal reconciliation?
Do you believe that all humanity will eventually be saved?
Do you believe in hell? or annihilation? or something else?
Theses are fair questions, are they not? - surely you don't mind answering them.

Micah,
So, never mind the labels.
Do you believe in universal reconciliation?
Do you believe that all humanity will eventually be saved?
Do you believe in hell? or annihilation? or something else?
Theses are fair questions, are they not? - surely you don't mind answering them.

Isa 55:11  So is My word that goeth out of My mouth, It turneth not back unto Me empty, But hath done that which I desired, And prosperously effected that for which I sent it.

Luk 15:4  `What man of you having a hundred sheep, and having lost one out of them, doth not leave behind the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go on after the lost one, till he may find it?

1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;

Rev 20:14  and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death;

Best I can give you my friend. :dsunny:

[Tom]

I think "universal reconciliation" is simply a phrase that describes what is said in the following scripture because everything on earth and in the heavens is the universe.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

[Tom]

Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth....1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

"UR" is not something "I am" either, brother. It is just a scriptural concept that many folks on this forum believe to be true even though some of us disagree on other things. It is not a denomination or sect. Christ's blood on the cross is for all creation because creation and reconciliation have the same scope. Church doctrine teaches only part of creation will be reconciled either because only some have been chosen or because some have not earned it. I think one of the reasons there is confusion about this is that indeed only some have been chosen for "eonian life," not "eternal life," before the disruption of the world according to God's will not because of anything we've done, but that doesn't exclude those not chosen for eonian life from reconciliation and salvation from death at the consummation of the eons. That confusion can begin to be done away with by reading an accurate translation of scripture because "eonian" life or death is not the end of the story, and reconciliation through Christ with God is just one of the things that will happen to all because all will be justified, reconciled, vivified, and subjected to God at the consummation of the eons when God will be "all in all."

"for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." (Colossians 1:16-20)

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/TheGrandestTruth.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/partuniv.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/BelievingAndUnderstanding.html

[RaiderGonzo]

Brother, I think you are assuming that it is the universal salvation believers as the ones who do not want fellowship or are the ones judging. You don't have to do much more than affirm the teaching of universal salvation and it will be YOU being judged, not them.  You can do it in the nicest most respectful way possible, but it's not the attitude that offends them. The doctrine is what offends them. Anyone who has any doubt about that, try it.

With all due respect, Seth

You're preaching to the choir

I have fessed up that I was long gone from the church, so in that I must insert that part of that was for the same reasons you state; thus, I have tried it.
Having said that, I must say that part of the blame -per say- falls on me, for not having the desired love and faith, and simply wishing to convert others to my understanding.

That's good that you have that level of self awareness to understand what you could have changed. But even if you had the love and faith, i don't think it matters as to the end result. Personal opinion of course.

The only universal salvation believers who can attend church in peaceful fellowship are the silent ones, at least silent on that matter.

Tom, like you, I am a believer that Christ on the cross is for all past, present and future., how He does it, remains the questions in me. Having said that, I do believe that there is a tendency to separate oneself from the congregation. not because they throw you out or silence you, but because we are -i dare say-unloving in the way we approach the sociability in the church., we are not in the first century to be heading in bulls horns first and trying to change the whole structure of it as mere men/women, for it is Christ who draws those to Him., one by one, few by few, and not us so that none of us have anything to boast about other than Christ!

[Seth]

I really don't think it matters what century it is. If someone people share the truth in wrath and selfishness, that's between them and God. But if anyone shares the truth at all, even in love and kindness, the clock is ticking.

If it's a matter of being forced to stay silent to secure fellowship, that is where you and I would need to agree to disagree.

[rosered]

  I believe any one serving   and worshiping the Father in Spirit and truth is    in a good place and  can only get better     

    no matter where they are  or have been  or  , are going
    the FATHER IS SEEKING THEM     !!    HE IS LOOKING WITH THOSE    7  EYES SPIRITS     IN THE EARTH REV 5

Then I saw a Lamb that looked as if it had been slaughtered, but it was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the sevenfold Spirit of God that is sent out into every part of the earth.
 
john 4

...22"You worship what you do not know;


we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.    [  but it was  coming IN to Jesus Christ to be the LIGHT   AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD  FOR ALL MANKIND ...     ]       

23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;

for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.     God has done it all         we  wait on Him        to finish  His work      in us

 

[Tom]

Brother, I think you are assuming that it is the universal salvation believers as the ones who do not want fellowship or are the ones judging. You don't have to do much more than affirm the teaching of universal salvation and it will be YOU being judged, not them.  You can do it in the nicest most respectful way possible, but it's not the attitude that offends them. The doctrine is what offends them. Anyone who has any doubt about that, try it.

With all due respect, Seth

You're preaching to the choir

I have fessed up that I was long gone from the church, so in that I must insert that part of that was for the same reasons you state; thus, I have tried it.
Having said that, I must say that part of the blame -per say- falls on me, for not having the desired love and faith, and simply wishing to convert others to my understanding.

That's good that you have that level of self awareness to understand what you could have changed. But even if you had the love and faith, i don't think it matters as to the end result. Personal opinion of course.

The only universal salvation believers who can attend church in peaceful fellowship are the silent ones, at least silent on that matter.

Tom, like you, I am a believer that Christ on the cross is for all past, present and future., how He does it, remains the questions in me. Having said that, I do believe that there is a tendency to separate oneself from the congregation. not because they throw you out or silence you, but because we are -i dare say-unloving in the way we approach the sociability in the church., we are not in the first century to be heading in bulls horns first and trying to change the whole structure of it as mere men/women, for it is Christ who draws those to Him., one by one, few by few, and not us so that none of us have anything to boast about other than Christ!

I don't know why you addressed me with a quote from Seth, but here's my reply. I think "the congregation" is a relative concept, and I think it is the church that has "separated" itself from the body of Christ by contradicting scripture rather than me separating myself from the "congregation." I'm still in the congregation, the assembly, the ecclesia, the body of Christ, but the church is not where it is due to the false doctrine being preached. It's not the institution or the building that we should be concerned with. It's the poor misguided people who are still trapped in the church that we need to communicate with, but most of them will just condemn you for speaking the truth. You're making a false assumption about being "unloving in the way we approach the sociability in the church." I love my church brothers and sisters, but I reject the doctrine of their church. So I communicate with church folks wherever whenever, but I don't go to church anymore for the same reason I don't go to bars anymore. I have no reason to go because I disagree with the spirit of the environment, but I communicate with folks who go to church and folks who go to bars on neutral turf. You said, "I am a believer that Christ on the cross is for all past, present and future. How He does it, remains the questions in me." If you said that to explain why you're "not sold on UR" as you say, I'm curious what you meant by that.

[micah7:9]

Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth....1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

"UR" is not something "I am" either, brother. It is just a scriptural concept that many folks on this forum believe to be true even though some of us disagree on other things. It is not a denomination or sect. Christ's blood on the cross is for all creation because creation and reconciliation have the same scope. Church doctrine teaches only part of creation will be reconciled either because only some have been chosen or because some have not earned it. I think one of the reasons there is confusion about this is that indeed only some have been chosen for "eonian life," not "eternal life," before the disruption of the world according to God's will not because of anything we've done, but that doesn't exclude those not chosen for eonian life from reconciliation and salvation from death at the consummation of the eons. That confusion can begin to be done away with by reading an accurate translation of scripture because "eonian" life or death is not the end of the story, and reconciliation through Christ with God is just one of the things that will happen to all because all will be justified, reconciled, vivified, and subjected to God at the consummation of the eons when God will be "all in all."

"for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." (Colossians 1:16-20)

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/TheGrandestTruth.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/partuniv.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/BelievingAndUnderstanding.html

""UR" is not something "I am" either, brother. It is just a scriptural concept...."

For me Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the World is a scriptural TRUTH,[NO CONCEPT] and labeling and naming it, as all religions and beliefs have a want to do(imo) puts it right there in a sect or denomination. I believe and embrace Gary's work, the work he has been given to enlighten the hearers and readers of the Word. The Truth that Jesus Christ carried out the will that is the good and acceptable will of the Lord God so that ALL men will be saved, needs no label or name like other religions, IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK, SEE IT :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

[Tom]

Just to let it be known, I, me, personally am not of the UR denomination. I have found out that all sects and denominations have their set guidelines, UR is no different. I like this forum. I learn on this forum. I just have no need or want to adjust to another denomination/sect.
This is a sound Word, and on this foundation is what I find a Truth....1Ti 2:3  for this is right and acceptable before God our Saviour, 1Ti 2:4  who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth; 
as with Gal 2:19  for I through law, did die, that to God I may live; Gal 2:20  with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh--in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me; Gal 2:21  I do not make void the grace of God, for if righteousness be through law--then Christ died in vain.

"UR" is not something "I am" either, brother. It is just a scriptural concept that many folks on this forum believe to be true even though some of us disagree on other things. It is not a denomination or sect. Christ's blood on the cross is for all creation because creation and reconciliation have the same scope. Church doctrine teaches only part of creation will be reconciled either because only some have been chosen or because some have not earned it. I think one of the reasons there is confusion about this is that indeed only some have been chosen for "eonian life," not "eternal life," before the disruption of the world according to God's will not because of anything we've done, but that doesn't exclude those not chosen for eonian life from reconciliation and salvation from death at the consummation of the eons. That confusion can begin to be done away with by reading an accurate translation of scripture because "eonian" life or death is not the end of the story, and reconciliation through Christ with God is just one of the things that will happen to all because all will be justified, reconciled, vivified, and subjected to God at the consummation of the eons when God will be "all in all."

"for in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him, and He is before all, and all has its cohesion in Him. And He is the Head of the body, the ecclesia, Who is Sovereign, Firstborn from among the dead, that in all He may be becoming first, for in Him the entire complement delights to dwell, and through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens." (Colossians 1:16-20)

"Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing. For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:20-28)

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/TheGrandestTruth.html

http://www.saviourofall.org/charts/ChartOfJudgments.html

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/partuniv.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEvangel/BelievingAndUnderstanding.html

""UR" is not something "I am" either, brother. It is just a scriptural concept...."

For me Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the World is a scriptural TRUTH,[NO CONCEPT] and labeling and naming it, as all religions and beliefs have a want to do(imo) puts it right there in a sect or denomination. I believe and embrace Gary's work, the work he has been given to enlighten the hearers and readers of the Word. The Truth that Jesus Christ carried out the will that is the good and acceptable will of the Lord God so that ALL men will be saved, needs no label or name like other religions, IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK, SEE IT :HeartThrob: :dsunny:

Here's your scripture truth.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

What do you think that means?

[Seth]

Doesn't the label "Christian" come right out of the Bible?

[micah7:9]

Twice. And.....?

[eaglesway]

I think this is, to a certain extent, quibbling. Using the term UR does not make someone 'denominational". It is an identifying acronym for a scriptural truth. Whether or not a person decides to use that acronym does not make them more or less  free from the roots of sectarianism, which is, to put simply- divisiveness. One person uses the acronym as a communication point for the truth that Micah has stated about the salvation of all. Another person thinks it is too much "the label" to be effective in communicating the truth. I say so what, let each person be free from the judgments of others and go about their business- the Father's business :o)

[Seth]

Twice. And.....?

Well there seems to be this anti labelling thing, but even the Apostles seemed fine to label.

[Lazarus Short]

Twice. And.....?

Well there seems to be this anti labelling thing, but even the Apostles seemed fine to label.

That makes me think of the sign which reads, "DO NOT READ THIS SIGN," or the page printed with the words "THIS PAGE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK," or the label labelled "THIS IS NOT A LABEL."  God certainly did a lot of ranting and raving, and calling "a spade a spade" in the pages of the Bible.  He never hesitated to label things as they were, or to mince words.

[micah7:9]

 :Oops: I will not leave my :2c: again.

[Seth]

:Oops: I will not leave my :2c: again.

No offense intended

[Tom]

The words "universal reconciliation" are not found in scripture, but these are.

"through Him to reconcile all to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens" (Colossians 1:20)

The words "universal reconciliation" are simply used to describe what is stated in that verse.

[micah7:9]

:Oops: I will not leave my :2c: again.

No offense intended

No offence either way. Seth, I just wonder(and I stand corrected 3 times the name Christian is written) Why did not Paul, or Peter, or Luke not address those they preached and ministered to a Christians? When we read the opening epistles of Paul, his greeting made no mention to Christians, nor does Peter, James, or John. It just seems strange, to me anyway that the name Christian did not get more use in what we read in the Bible.

I had read somewhere, years ago, that the believers were first called Christians in Antioch by the Romans as a matter of humor and jest. True or not, 1 Pet. 4:16 may be speaking to that..." and if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; and let him glorify God in this respect;" :dontknow:

[Seth]

I agree about denominationalism. To me, wanting to be a denomination would be like wanting the school kids to let us play on their field. It's like a need to be accepted. And it will always be seen as a cult belief anyway. But about labels, that I cannot control. And if someone labels me as a UR as a derision and insult, even though UR is truth, it's a badge of honor to me. Label me with the truth, I don't mind. That they think it's an insult is to their own reproach.