Who Judges?

[guest6088]

John 5:22
Young's Literal Translation
for neither doth the Father judge any one, but all the judgment He hath given to the Son

God doesn't judge ANYONE

John 3:17
Young's Literal Translation
For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;

John 12:47
Young's Literal Translation
and if any one may hear my sayings, and not believe, I -- I do not judge him, for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.

Jesus doesn't judge ANYONE

So who is doing the judging? 

[sheila]

exactly..but as Paul said..in any matter of the law...appoint the least in the congregation[omega]FIRST AND LAST. Since through

the first man Adam sin entered..it shall be the last[least] man that expunges the kingdom of darkness[the last man to rise up in Christ's

image]  The Holy Ark....goes before and behind....... :2c:now..thismay be hard for some to understand whatIamsaying......but

when the first is with the last..satan and kingdom of darkness is snuffed out.

[guest6088]

exactly..but as Paul said..in any matter of the law...appoint the least in the congregation[omega]FIRST AND LAST. Since through

the first man Adam sin entered..it shall be the last[least] man that expunges the kingdom of darkness[the last man to rise up in Christ's

image]  The Holy Ark....goes before and behind....... :2c:now..thismay be hard for some to understand whatIamsaying......but

when the first is with the last..satan and kingdom of darkness is snuffed out.

You know...I can see why this stuff is hidden from conventional Christianity...They would sin their pants off (probably literally).
...It just makes me love God all the more.
I still dont' fully understand, but inwardly I do somehow...
I need to have a good long think.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts...If you can elaborate still more I'd look forward to that.

[sheila]

NO MAN  IS JUDGED...BUT SATAN/THE WICKED ONE THAT HE DELIVERS US FROM IS..

Psalms35;10,Psalms79;8-13,Isaaih 33,andIsaaih54;15-17 :girlheart:

[guest6088]

NO MAN  IS JUDGED...BUT SATAN/THE WICKED ONE THAT HE DELIVERS US FROM IS..

Psalms35;10,Psalms79;8-13,Isaaih 33,andIsaaih54;15-17 :girlheart:

:HeartThrob:

[MusicLover123]

Ah, I noticed this recently too! Finally someone mentioned it!

Maybe we judge ourselves? At least when brought into God's light He makes us judge our works?

1Co 6:2  You know that the saints will rule the world, don't you? And if the world is going to be ruled by you, can't you handle insignificant cases? 
1Co 6:3  You know that we will rule angels, not to mention things in this life, don't you? 

Used ISV for this, but where it says rule, the KJV has judge. Here is the Strong's for it:

G2919
κρίνω
krinō
kree'-no
Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.
Total KJV occurrences: 114

[guest6088]

Ah, I noticed this recently too! Finally someone mentioned it!

Maybe we judge ourselves? At least when brought into God's light He makes us judge our works?

1Co 6:2  You know that the saints will rule the world, don't you? And if the world is going to be ruled by you, can't you handle insignificant cases?
1Co 6:3  You know that we will rule angels, not to mention things in this life, don't you?

Used ISV for this, but where it says rule, the KJV has judge. Here is the Strong's for it:

G2919
κρίνω
krinō
kree'-no
Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish: - avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.
Total KJV occurrences: 114

Hi!

I think we feel sorrow for our sins...(As you say a 'self-judging'). 
That analysis was great i've never heard it said like that before...The saints judging...  Very interesting and I'll look into that further!

I study NDE's and (according to them) we feel good or bad if we did things that caused division rather than created unity....We learn it was about working for the good of all.

It's like when someone does a good deed...the reward is the deed itself...
"It is better to give than receive"; especially for someone more spiritually advanced (For example a child doesn't think that way!  A child wants to get not give!)...
...But parents like to give their child gifts rather than to 'get'...
...The pleasure is in the giving and making someone happy and the more we develop the more this is true...and I feel this is why God especially likes to 'give'.

I think the same works with sins...we feel dissapointment for our shortcomings. 
I think 'condemnation' is where we struggle to forgive ourselves for the things we have done. 
....Heavens' door is wide open and we are bade to enter when we are ready...But we go through teeth-ghashing and throw a pity party (I ain't good enough Lord), and Jesus is like: "Ahh get in there and join us!" but we are outside the door...unable to enter UNTIL we can forgive ourselves...When we see all the problems our sins caused in the world in the light of truth and we REALLY UNDERSTAND and grasp that and are faced with it and yet we are loved and washed clean and forgiven and we are so thankful...

I've been through an experience like that recently when I realised I had been wrong yet was forgiven and .... Weeping and gnashing did indeed ensue...It was horrible....HELL....But afterwards....Just joy. 

[marie glen]

 :thumbsup: I believe weeping, gnashing of teeth, and even outer darkness will occur, initially, for some, upon Judgment 'day'.. (others I think will rejoice to be alive and happy to hear of Jesus' redemption and reconciliation of all.

So I agree judging is for the most part within.

Outer judgments of God, also called His wrath, being earthly consequences of one's own doings and national doings, like armageddon. (I'm pretty convinced of that.)

But the lake of fire I think of as the convicting and convincing of sin and the weeping, teeth gnashing, burning shame, in some cases, heart wrenching remorse.. Imagine after a while on that 'day' realizing you were a despot.. who oppressed, abused, tortured and killed hundreds.. or even more! Would you have to ultimately look into the faces and eyes of all you'd tormented? And in the faces of their loved ones..?

I think the lake of fire is after judgment ,'day' or at it's close, and may be the elements melting with a ferocious heat.. and into the new heavens and Earth wherein righteousness is to dwell. (1 Peter? 2 Peter?) Or that us to say, when God the Father makes all things new.. a new heavens and Earth.. what I think if as the all in all event (1 ,Corinthians 15:22-->28).

With lof being at Armageddon and man's doing..

And another in Rev.20 when Satan after the thousand years, let out of the pit makes war once again surrounding the camp of God's people.. Rev.20

[guest6088]

But the lake of fire I think of as the convicting and convincing of sin and the weeping, teeth gnashing, burning shame, in some cases, heart wrenching remorse..

Yes I totally agree with this.  Shame is a terrible...Terrible thing.
It's a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God...
...To see ourselves truely 'as we are' when we are naked and ashamed before pure love is a HUGE deal.
Anyone who has ever been ashamed of themselves  will understand this perhaps?  As you say Marie...Looking to the faces of those they hurt (let down/dissapointed).  That feeling of remorse is TERRIBLE! 
But...it ends...God (like the Father in the story) was waiting outside all along on his prodigals' return, ready to shower him in love.  The son had a hard time accepting for a while...and that's the 'hell' I believe.

"I am not worthy to be your son".
"Nonsense.  Get the kettle on and here's a nice pair of warm slippers."

[sheila]

Isaaih 54;4DoNOT be afraid,you will not suffer shame. Do not fear disgrace,you will not be humiliated.......

         

v9  To me,this is like the days of Noah....when I swore that the watersofNoah would never again cover the earth.So, now

I have sworn not to be angry with you.....never torebuke you again.Though the mountains may be shaken and the hills....

removed..says the Lord who has compassion on you..YET MY UNFAILING LOVE FOR YOU WILL NOT BE SHAKEN

  NOR MY COVENANT OF PEACE BE REMOVED,SAYS THE LORDWHO HAS COMPASSIONON YOU.

Joseph was a righteous man..cause when he found Mary pregnant..he did not desire to put her to public shame..but to quietly

handle the matter..without public accusation and a lot of drama..public stoning etc......


  there be many 'preachers?" now days that do the opposite...this one man publicly shamed a woman in the congregation..and

humiliated herfrom the pulpit......because her son was gay...she left in tears. A far cry from Father and His ways......

   these 'asses/Issachar" that serve for tribute..all I can say is a good thing He redeemed them,too..less they have their neck broke.

But the Lord says...I have need of them..... :2c:

[guest6088]

Isaaih 54;4DoNOT be afraid,you will not suffer shame. Do not fear disgrace,you will not be humiliated.......

         

v9  To me,this is like the days of Noah....when I swore that the watersofNoah would never again cover the earth.So, now

I have sworn not to be angry with you.....never torebuke you again.Though the mountains may be shaken and the hills....

removed..says the Lord who has compassion on you..YET MY UNFAILING LOVE FOR YOU WILL NOT BE SHAKEN

  NOR MY COVENANT OF PEACE BE REMOVED,SAYS THE LORDWHO HAS COMPASSIONON YOU.

Joseph was a righteous man..cause when he found Mary pregnant..he did not desire to put her to public shame..but to quietly

handle the matter..without public accusation and a lot of drama..public stoning etc......


  there be many 'preachers?" now days that do the opposite...this one man publicly shamed a woman in the congregation..and

humiliated herfrom the pulpit......because her son was gay...she left in tears. A far cry from Father and His ways......

   these 'asses/Issachar" that serve for tribute..all I can say is a good thing He redeemed them,too..less they have their neck broke.

But the Lord says...I have need of them..... :2c:

Oh Sheila...Yes.
I believe He uses the negative to grow the positive.  Making light from dark.

[guest6088]

Came across this today...

1 Corinthians 4

5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

There is so much in this passage...

[sheila]

yes,there is....

[rosered]

  I agree ! So much revelation of Christ   in  Paul's sharing   experiences   in the truth .

  Helped so much along the way , Paul , to me ,  always seems   to expound on the Words of Jesus   with an amazing clarity .

   Jesus said , judge not   [the LAW ]  and  not  be  judged ..

  I always felt this way about   the teachings of Jesus  was paving a new and narrow path to the righteousness of God  being made known by the  testimony of Jesus Christ which is also   the Spirit of prophecy .

As long as those   followed and   remained under the [old Law ]   of Moses they were judged under the same scrutiny  , eye for eye and tooth for tooth     as you judge so shall you be judged under the same    measurement and degree  .

  This to me explains      why   all manner of  sin  is forgiven  when you speak against  the Father and the Son  , but never against the Holy Spirit    in this  '' going though ''/ that /AGE      , you have passed from death to life , because you love the brethren     , because under the old law   of moses [good and evil  / life and death ]    the Word  or Sword    it is our judge ....and see it as the old path that leads to destruction , all had come to heaven by violence till John , Jesus words paraphrasing

  The continual sacrifices    of blood shed ,  the ministration of   death  though the law of Moses   , same as their fathers , many fathers and teachers etc....

by putting trust or hope in man   and not in God [Sent His Son once for all time ]    no better sacrifice  can or will be given or accepted as Holy   before God than His own   Lamb of God .

  Thus  cannot Blaspheme the Holy Spirit  in this age [ under the law of Moses ] Jesus come to fulfill   or the age  to come the age of Grace and tree of Life  and narrow path that leads to Life by following Jesus .

  so many more  scriptures come to Life when you  can see them  coming together
.
John  5  The Witness of Scripture


...44How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

You see Jesus saying here ?   they seek the glory that comes   from mankind   , where is the glory that comes from GOD only as to seeking His praises ? 


45Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father.

Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope.


46If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me....



Luke 16:29
But Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.'

John 9:28
Then they heaped insults on him and said, "You are His disciple; we are disciples of Moses.

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.    the last Day to me is the rest  promises of God by Jesus Christ  , when every knee will bow and tongue confess the LORD JESUS CHRIST ...    Being the 1000 year reign   in adam / mankind all die [adam was  asleep  in death ]  to me the law  come to put to death   those in adam though disobedience  of the law [of good and evil , we are to choose the good from that law  /tree   and  not touch the evil ,   but in Christ  that anointing by the WORD of GOD   shall be made alive , but the life span of  a human being is 70 years [Babylon captivity ]  more or less   and  held in captivity   , and it is Jesus Christ   whom  has taken captivity   captive , every power  and principality    is taken into Himself and held by Him being all authority  until   the fulfilling   of making the dead Alive  and presenting ALIVE   TO GOD THE FATHER , To GOD being all in all    , this is  done in ONE  DAY  , HIS DAY  working  , by being   the Lord of the dead and the living  , the resurrection and the Life  finished at the cross and will make everything  new  , as the last shall be first and the first shall be last  in That DAY  ..    we are experiencing  the last Day    in my opinion  by making the short work in righteousness   of God though the Son  , many other scriptures   are being fulfilled   , little children it is the last time 1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Romans 2:17
Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the Law and boast in God;

Romans 2:23
You who boast in the Law, do you dishonor God by breaking the Law?

  such a HIGH standard  being Jesus Christ     , to be just like Him     and thus the need to be found in Jesus  , dead or alive !!



if you break one law you broke them ALL   James 2 A Warning against Favoritism


...9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.


10Whoever keeps the whole Law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


11For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker....12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. 13For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

   We become guilty  when we judge the LAW     ,,,, Because no one keeps the whole law but Jesus Christ and are found in Him   

  this is exactly why Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION and Life    to me    , reading this makes sense now the dead in Christ rise first    , why ?

  the dead know nothing of Gods ways   , they will receive the Light of knowledge of God though the Holy Spirit and fire baptism  , everyone will  experience this baptism  , because it is the same baptism of Christ BODY   the light shines forth  in power  and glory  and the fire is burning off the dross   things that must  be removed by Holy Spirit  and fire .
  THAN  do we get to drink the waters of Life freely   for the  need of  thirst    and to be filled .

John 11 23 Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."

24 Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."

Come to SAVE THE WORLD THOUGH HIM / HIS BODY
  By Him and though Him everything exist

  1 john 3 The Beginning
...2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men....

Proverbs 8:30
Then I was a skilled craftsman at His side, and His delight day by day, rejoicing always in His presence.

John 1:2
He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves the one born of Him.

Revelation 3:14
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation.
HIS WORD is the Lord Jesus  Christ  , there is not name under heaven by which we MUST be saved   but though Him 

  In Heaven  He is called the Word of GOD and  has a new name  no one knows except the one whom receives it ...

   Rev 19 11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God....

  Rev 2 ...16Therefore repent! Otherwise I will come to you shortly and wage war against them with the sword of My mouth. 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


To the one who is victorious, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it. 18To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like a blazing fire and whose feet are like polished bronze....

   the new name  given in Heaven to those  whom receive it   for me is the same name  HE ONLY KNOWS  given Himself  as a mystery     ...


I think I know what it can be , but will not stumble anyone  , so I wait on the Lord for confirmation .

[guest6088]

  I agree ! So much revelation of Christ   in  Paul's sharing   experiences   in the truth .

  Helped so much along the way , Paul , to me ,  always seems   to expound on the Words of Jesus   with an amazing clarity .

   Jesus said , judge not   [the LAW ]  and  not  be  judged ..

  I always felt this way about   the teachings of Jesus  was paving a new and narrow path to the righteousness of God  being made known by the  testimony of Jesus Christ which is also   the Spirit of prophecy .

As long as those   followed and   remained under the [old Law ]   of Moses they were judged under the same scrutiny  , eye for eye and tooth for tooth     as you judge so shall you be judged under the same    measurement and degree  .

  This to me explains      why   all manner of  sin  is forgiven  when you speak against  the Father and the Son  , but never against the Holy Spirit    in this  " going though "/ that /AGE      , you have passed from death to life , because you love the brethren     , because under the old law   of moses [good and evil  / life and death ]    the Word  or Sword    it is our judge ....and see it as the old path that leads to destruction , all had come to heaven by violence till John , Jesus words paraphrasing

  The continual sacrifices    of blood shed ,  the ministration of   death  though the law of Moses   , same as their fathers , many fathers and teachers etc....

by putting trust or hope in man   and not in God [Sent His Son once for all time ]    no better sacrifice  can or will be given or accepted as Holy   before God than His own   Lamb of God .

  Thus  cannot Blaspheme the Holy Spirit  in this age [ under the law of Moses ] Jesus come to fulfill   or the age  to come the age of Grace and tree of Life  and narrow path that leads to Life by following Jesus .

  so many more  scriptures come to Life when you  can see them  coming together
.
John  5  The Witness of Scripture


...44How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

You see Jesus saying here ?   they seek the glory that comes   from mankind   , where is the glory that comes from GOD only as to seeking His praises ? 


45Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father.

Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope.


46If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me....



Luke 16:29
But Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let your brothers listen to them.'

John 9:28
Then they heaped insults on him and said, "You are His disciple; we are disciples of Moses.

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words: The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.    the last Day to me is the rest  promises of God by Jesus Christ  , when every knee will bow and tongue confess the LORD JESUS CHRIST ...    Being the 1000 year reign   in adam / mankind all die [adam was  asleep  in death ]  to me the law  come to put to death   those in adam though disobedience  of the law [of good and evil , we are to choose the good from that law  /tree   and  not touch the evil ,   but in Christ  that anointing by the WORD of GOD   shall be made alive , but the life span of  a human being is 70 years [Babylon captivity ]  more or less   and  held in captivity   , and it is Jesus Christ   whom  has taken captivity   captive , every power  and principality    is taken into Himself and held by Him being all authority  until   the fulfilling   of making the dead Alive  and presenting ALIVE   TO GOD THE FATHER , To GOD being all in all    , this is  done in ONE  DAY  , HIS DAY  working  , by being   the Lord of the dead and the living  , the resurrection and the Life  finished at the cross and will make everything  new  , as the last shall be first and the first shall be last  in That DAY  ..    we are experiencing  the last Day    in my opinion  by making the short work in righteousness   of God though the Son  , many other scriptures   are being fulfilled   , little children it is the last time 1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Romans 2:17
Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the Law and boast in God;

Romans 2:23
You who boast in the Law, do you dishonor God by breaking the Law?

  such a HIGH standard  being Jesus Christ     , to be just like Him     and thus the need to be found in Jesus  , dead or alive !!



if you break one law you broke them ALL   James 2 A Warning against Favoritism


...9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.


10Whoever keeps the whole Law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.


11For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker....12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. 13For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

   We become guilty  when we judge the LAW     ,,,, Because no one keeps the whole law but Jesus Christ and are found in Him   

  this is exactly why Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION and Life    to me    , reading this makes sense now the dead in Christ rise first    , why ?

  the dead know nothing of Gods ways   , they will receive the Light of knowledge of God though the Holy Spirit and fire baptism  , everyone will  experience this baptism  , because it is the same baptism of Christ BODY   the light shines forth  in power  and glory  and the fire is burning off the dross   things that must  be removed by Holy Spirit  and fire .
  THAN  do we get to drink the waters of Life freely   for the  need of  thirst    and to be filled .

John 11 23 Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."

24 Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world."

Come to SAVE THE WORLD THOUGH HIM / HIS BODY
  By Him and though Him everything exist

  1 john 3 The Beginning
...2He was with God in the beginning.

3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men....

Proverbs 8:30
Then I was a skilled craftsman at His side, and His delight day by day, rejoicing always in His presence.

John 1:2
He was with God in the beginning.

John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Colossians 1:16
For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves the one born of Him.

Revelation 3:14
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God's creation.
HIS WORD is the Lord Jesus  Christ  , there is not name under heaven by which we MUST be saved   but though Him 

  In Heaven  He is called the Word of GOD and  has a new name  no one knows except the one whom receives it ...

   Rev 19 11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God....

  Rev 2 ...16Therefore repent! Otherwise I will come to you shortly and wage war against them with the sword of My mouth. 17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


To the one who is victorious, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it. 18To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like a blazing fire and whose feet are like polished bronze....

   the new name  given in Heaven to those  whom receive it   for me is the same name  HE ONLY KNOWS  given Himself  as a mystery     ...


I think I know what it can be , but will not stumble anyone  , so I wait on the Lord for confirmation .

I'll have to come back to this Rose, too much to get my mind around, but love what i've understood so far.

[sheila]

Matthew 11;12   as national fleshly Israel ..the Kingdom was taken by force/violence[wars][fleshly]a nation under one God that warred

against other nations that did not worship the one true God.  David...a bloody man prevented from building the Father's House

[of prayer for all men]Solomon[Peace]our PRINCE of PEACE/Jesus builds it. THUS,we war NOT against flesh and blood.

Israels warring against other fleshly nations that knew not God,and/or worshipped demons/idols..was somewhat hypocritical

when they also did not know God..and worshipped baal and ashtorethet,Molech and their religious  leaders and kings were doing the will of

satan.[he who lives by the sword dies by the sword] Jesus..as Prince of peace....said.[John18;36].,my kingdom is notof this world

if it were ...my servants would fight to prevent my arrest.. what the law/national Israel of flesh with laws,could not make perfect...

the spirit of love  and peace perfects.....[James 3;18]Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. :2c:


Moses wrote about me....Passover Lamb and atonement..bound up all in disobedience..in order to show mercy unto all.

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Satan said..bow down and do one act of worship...all fleshly kingdoms having been given into his hands..that the spirit may

be saved on the day of the LORD.Rev 20;7-10

   Genesis6;13

O' how they wanted a king like the nations around them.

  Ezekiel38;11You say,Iwill invade a land of unwalled villages...I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people....all of them living


without gates and barsMatthew 16;18[gates of hell]Psalms 107;16..for he breaks down gatesof bronze and cuts through bars of iron.

Acts 2;24 :2c:

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So what we have is:

John 5:22
Young's Literal Translation
for neither doth the Father judge any one, but all the judgment He hath given to the Son

God doesn't judge ANYONE

John 3:17
Young's Literal Translation
For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;

John 12:47
Young's Literal Translation
and if any one may hear my sayings, and not believe, I -- I do not judge him, for I came not that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.

Jesus doesn't judge ANYONE

and...

"He (God) has set a day when HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD with justice THROUGH the man (Jesus) He has appointed". - Actus 17:31

So now we have 'God doesn't judge' and 'Jesus doesn't judge' but God does judge and God judges through Jesus and yet the 'saints will judge the world' (1 Cor 6:2).[/b]

How can this be?
Contradiction?

No.

"I and my father are one and the same".

God IS Life IS Love

We are all connected.
Psalms 46:10 "Be still (calm/calm down/relax/let go (of concerns/stop/desist/chill out, cease striving/stop fighting) and 'know' I am God.

We are to love our neighbour as ourselves. 
Is it too much of a stretch to understand we are all part of ALL THAT IS?...I mean it's pretty obvious right?
...When we hurt someone else we hurt ourselves? 
Is it too much of a stretch to realize that harmony and order is the key to ... 'harmony and order?' Lol! 

...Love is the answer...

Love is the binding force that unites all creation.   :HeartThrob:

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Love is the binding force that unites all creation.   :HeartThrob:

   YES LOVE !!    is the perfect sacrifice    and died and By the power of   GOD /LOVE come back to LIFE AGAIN  so everyone will LIVE   /LOVE  AS ONE   again .
1Cor 13 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

  GOD /LOVE never fails     wow!!    :dsunny:     :HeartThrob:

  the WORD I SPOKE  WILL JUDGE  THE WORLD 

  THE SPIRIT  PROPHECY  IS JESUS  TESTIMONY /WITNESS   TO THE WORLD

  Belief and Unbelief
...47As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


48There is a judge for the one who rejects Me and does not receive My words:

The word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.


49I have not spoken on My own, but the Father who sent Me has commanded Me what to say and how to say it.......

17The reason the Father loves Me is that I lay down My life in order to take it up again.


18No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father." 19Again there was division among the Jews because of Jesus' message....



LOVE   FOR LIFE / GOD WINS AND DEATH WILL BE NO MORE  Because  HE is taking up His life again and again  each in their own order     , HE CAN DO whatever He wants with His own things .. therefore   we should not call Him evil   EVER for doing such good  and perfect works of righteousness  on all   , God is fair and no respecter of persons   .  :dsunny:     :HeartThrob:

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No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord.

Exactly... And yet at the same time God sent the son.

All one...

Anyone get that?  :HeartThrob: :laugh: :HeartThrob: