Would this be a true statement?
"Christ's incarnation was his real death; that when he entered into this fallen state he entered into a condition of death, and was in that condition all the time he tabernacled in the flesh, i.e. from his birth to his resurrection. When I speak then of the "death of Christ" I do not mean his physical death on the cross but his real death while he was in this fallen state;......."
If so how would it relate to the sign of Jonah.
OTOH it's also said His whole ministry was preaching to the dead in prison. (Jews entangled in their laws)
Maybe the 3 years were His death?
As a descendant of Adam in the human realm, Jesus was alive, because when He made Adam and breathed into the body the breath of life, Adam became a LIVING soul. Therefore, all of Adam's descendants were also living souls, from the human standpoint. Jesus as JHVH (Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail) then, created the genetic line into which He, Himself would be born. After the tree of the knowledge of good & evil incident, I think it is safe to say that God views us as dead, in a sense, dead in sin, but just alive enough to receive forgiveness. I suspect that when we are glorified, we will be so much more alive, that our present existence will seem like death to us, so much so that we will forget about the whole thing.
Would this be a true statement? No, the statement is not true. Thank you
"Christ's incarnation was his real death; that when he entered into this fallen state he entered into a condition of death, and was in that condition all the time he tabernacled in the flesh, i.e. from his birth to his resurrection. When I speak then of the "death of Christ" I do not mean his physical death on the cross but his real death while he was in this fallen state;......."
To elaborate on it is not a true statement by Micah 7:9 Christ was not in a "fallen" state (He never "fell" into sin) but was reckoned by the Father as sin itself when the sins of all humanity were placed on him at the cross. It was only at that time Chist felt the disconnectedness from the Father that sin causes. "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me." Jesus felt know conciousness of sin until that time since he was in unbroken, constant fellowship with the Father.
Who said that quote anyway? Just curious. Sometimes knowing the author of the quote will tip you off whether the quote is LIKELY (not guaranteed) to be true, false, silly, unbiblical, blasphemous or with an agenda:Peace2:
Quote from: ded2daworld on September 30, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
To elaborate on it is not a true statement by Micah 7:9 Christ was not in a "fallen" state (He never "fell" into sin) but was reckoned by the Father as sin itself when the sins of all humanity were placed on him at the cross. It was only at that time Chist felt the disconnectedness from the Father that sin causes. "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me." Jesus felt know conciousness of sin until that time since he was in unbroken, constant fellowship with the Father.
Who said that quote anyway? Just curious. Sometimes knowing the author of the quote will tip you off whether the quote is LIKELY (not guaranteed) to be true, false, silly, unbiblical, blasphemous or with an agenda:Peace2:
First, "but was reckoned by the Father as sin itself when the sins of all humanity were placed on him at the cross."
Jesus was NEVER RECKONED by the Father as sin itself.
Jesus was a SIN OFFERING, big difference, Jesus knew no sin 1Pet. 2:22.
11 Cor.5:21 For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may becoming God's righteousness in Him. (CLT)
The quote was from "Why Did Christ Die." A. P. Adams Note: I have wrestled much with the statement.
Were the sins of all put on Christ?
Did the Father reckon the unrighteous as righteous?
Did the Father reckon Christ the righteous as unrighteous?
"Christ, who knew no sin, became sin"
I don't always express what I mean clearly. Thankyou Micah
Quote from: ded2daworld on September 30, 2012, 06:31:29 PM
Were the sins of all put on Christ?
Did the Father reckon the unrighteous as righteous?
Did the Father reckon Christ the righteous as unrighteous?
"Christ, who knew no sin, became sin"
I don't always express what I mean clearly. Thankyou Micah
when did we see the innocent killed for the guilty ?
it was expressed as the Lamb / slain from the foundation of the world
first picture being abel slain for a righteous offering to God and Cains being rejected
and slain for it
Jesus Christ body and blood being shed , as a Lamb/innocent blood /life , being put to death for sin is from the begining to me
many cannot see it like this , but the Life has Risen for all time at the ressurection of the dead
in Christ , even now / Jesus says I am the resurrection and the Life ! that foundational work was done from the begining of the world and in the earth
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come
all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the
temple and the altar.
Hbr 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous,
God testifying of his gifts: and by it
he being dead yet speaketh Hbr 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven: .
Jhn 3:31 He that cometh from
above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:
he that cometh from heaven is above all. wow ! :dsunny: