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Title: UR must be true if you Love your enemies
Post by: rosered on May 22, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
I thought real hard about UR  and how Love was the greatest  expression of God 
and because of other scriptures and  being decieved    , kind of made me  struggle  with  all of it
But after reading Matthew  5 and actually trying to DO  Matt 5 in every day living    applying it to life , I found it harder than  easier to do .......at first ~~

I was trying to make my flesh to this , and fought it often becuse the flesh is soooo weak   easy to cave under pressure
But it dawned on me one  day , you know if Jesus is telling us to do this    and God  was perect  and we also should become perfect   ,  that God really is Love  and Jesus Christ is that expression  of Love manifested to us on the earth   , wow , its   how evil is destroyed !  making friends  when  they were your enemies!!   because they cannot say a BAD thing about you  in anything

  I know the God of the old testament  seems so harsh and  down right  hard to please 

It was those trying to keep all the Law  an impossible task for a carnal and human to do ...
you could never judge  right ! only THINK your right , in upholding the Law , yet a law breaker yourself .......  the law itself would destroy you  , I speak from personal experience  , because  conviction   and fear is what kept me in line and  it was a most misreable time of  my life !!

I hated my life and thought that is just what Jesus says  to hate it ...   
Well I had it all wrong of course   , and this is why
  I   DO have empathy on those whom are still in that mindset ,  been there and done that  and  it was  HELL on earth , becoming a prisoner to  please God but with no faith ,  thought I had faith   but  realized   this  the Spirit  is willing but the flesh is weak   
what Spirit is willing to   please God ?   but the Lord Jesus Christ in you doing whjat pleases God , its His faith we do not deny , its His life we represent , ITS HIS JOY and peace we get to partake of   here and now ,   wow ! did that ever turn it around for me   
  To keep this relationship with the Lord  on going in obedience and a surrunder everything  I thought I knew  and let God have it all  ..   its humbling but I can keep a clean conscience now , where as before I was ready to  DIE ,  and Not LIVE !!  I had it all so backwards 
   when the Spirit of Life teaches you  His Word correctly , its DOES CHANGE you for the better .  :dsunny:







Give to him that asks you  , and from him that would borrow of you  turn not  away

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.


Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 

Mat 5:48   Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect
Title: Re: UR must be true if you Love your enemies
Post by: rosered on May 22, 2013, 04:42:37 PM
 

  How do you apply  these scriptures  to  denying Christ ?

If the Spirit of Christ is in you  and in others as the scriptures do tell us  is True

Jesus showed Right here !! how to love your enemies  when praying before  hanging on that cross , and when we take up our Cross and follow after Him we also are   in that position  of praying to the Father   that our own soul  , our seat of emotions  and how we feel about sin and   wrong doing   just plain evil  at the hands of sinners  , making that sacrafice  of obedience   to Jesus testimony  as TRUE !!!
even than we put our old man to death [soul of Adam]   not wanting to suffer for others wrong doing !!   remember Adam blamed Eve for his own  disobedience to Gods will !! 

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder
not as a group [but ALONE WITH GOD THE FATHER in your secret inner room [quiet place  of reasoning with  the Father ] making those points   , pleasing God  by faith in Him to raise us also up again   after  death  to a better and  more powerful place of  being in Christ than before   and  dying to self  serving ,,,



I have just now realized  all  this  after all these years !!!  to sleep   is to be in sorrow  not the Joy of the Lord knowing God has  everything under control !!
  temptation comes when my  flesh  which is weak is under control of my soul [life thats seat of emotions  , anger , sadness , happy etc  is ruling it ...
  wow When the Spirit of the Father and Son  both are in turn and made right  with my own spirit  we are ONE  , AS THE HOLY SPIRIT  IS   expressed by Pauls 1 Corthians 8  and Eph  4





Mat 26:37   And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy


Mat 26:38   Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me


Mat 26:39   And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt]. 


Mat 26:40   And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? 

Mat 26:41  Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.  


Mat 26:42   He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. 


Mat 26:43   And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. [percieving  what is taking place ,  they could not see beyond flesh and blood ] 


Mat 26:44   And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 
Mat 26:45   Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
  your rest IS Jesus peace , Jesus  had made peace with this work  and we must also learn to accept   Gods will   as putting to death   our Christ in you  AS a sacrfice  of obedience to the hands of sinners   also   , so we can be LIKE HIM !!!

The Lord puts me in long dry spells /like a death place  sort of quiet and still no moving of Spirit or nothing  and all of a sudden     this  wonderful   thing happens   
He begins to show how  He wants  it done and I only share with others    what He shows me   
just to help anyone along the way  ,  when it happens to them   they will know what is going on in them  too  , many have helped me along the way  , we are to love one anoher and help one another   the same way He[The Lord ]  helps us
  can anyone relate to this also ?
Title: Re: UR must be true if you Love your enemies
Post by: CHB on May 22, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
Yes, rosered that was wonderful.  :banana: I really felt the spirit while reading your post.  :dsunny:

CHB
Title: Re: UR must be true if you Love your enemies
Post by: rosered on May 22, 2013, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: CHB on May 22, 2013, 05:22:54 PM
Yes, rosered that was wonderful.  :banana: I really felt the spirit while reading your post.  :dsunny:

CHB
Blessings CHB

Well I personally struggle with going back to the old law  and  death , because I dont Love fully  yet as I ought

  my dessire is to overcome death in Life and the Lord is showing me that its done in LOVE ONLY and not other way , Jesus is the manisfestaion of the Love of God to us , to be Lke Him I have to  Love just like Him   and forgive Like Him   and thats when the old man of sin revives in me   that has to be put up on that cross again and again  ,  must die  but does not want to  over and over again !!


my old man of sin is not worthy of CHRIST  , this is why we must become new and are made new by His Spirit and truth   its a painful death  that old man  is ,  a  constant battle even  whew! 

Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.