Some of you may be familiar with TV preacher John Hagee, if not directly, then through the writings of L. Ray Smith.
Hagee is one of the most visible and vocal proponents of Eternal Torture.
Losing popularity, Hagee is trying to raise money by selling his new book. Hagee brags we will be shocked and amazed to find out Jesus was not the messiah and never claimed to be.
I found this clip from a video called, "The New World Order-secret societies and biblical prophecy." I'm not suggesting you watch the almost 2 and 1/2 hour video. I am suggesting you watch a 45 second clip from it that begins at 2:11:54 and ends at 2:12:39. - How sad a person in his position. (A christian minister that denies Jesus as messiah)
Here's the website address on youtube.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL6v8nzFiUk&feature=related)
I though "John Hagee" when I saw the thread title. Sad, that his hunger for the approval of the Jews has led him to deny Jesus, to become an apostate. You don't get to be a TV preacher without that approval. His ET position is almost beside the point.
I guess my point was, "Why trust what John Hagee says about ET?" because he is very outspoken about that also. :Peace2:
This man always trumpets Jesus as our saviour.
How can Jesus be the saviour and NOT the messiah??
Is it because he is only the saviour of some to Hagee?
I thought the clip was pretty clear but he may differentiate in some way between saviour and messiah. :dontknow:
Quote from: ded2daworld on November 12, 2012, 05:09:07 PM
I guess my point was, "Why trust what John Hagee says about ET?" because he is very outspoken about that also. :Peace2:
Maybe I cut things finer than some folks, but I see where you are coming from - if Hagee has the wrong position on ET/ED/UR, then he may just be wrong elsewhere. :Chinscratch:
Ina roundabout way. I meant that since he is obviously wrong thinking Jesus is NOT the messiah then you should at least consider he might also be wrong about ET.
By the way thinktank, your signature http://mercifultruth.com/ (http://mercifultruth.com/) is a "website favorite" of mine. Great stuff.
that's Seth's site. He's a member here, has just taken some time off..I correspond with him from time to time of facebook
Quote from: jabcat on November 13, 2012, 12:44:10 AM
that's Seth's site. He's a member here, has just taken some time off..I correspond with him from time to time of facebook
I thought he passed away.
Maybe that was L.Ray Smith you were thinking of? His site is bibletruths.com - pretty close names.
Seth's alive and kicking, living in California with his wife and little girl. He's somewhere around 30 years old I would guess..
http://tentmaker.org/forum/apologetic-support/accusations-of-ur-beliefs-just-because-we-do-not-like-the-doctrine-of-hell/msg99515/#msg99515
http://tentmaker.org/forum/profile/Seth/
Quote from: jabcat on November 14, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
Maybe that was L.Ray Smith you were thinking of? His site is bibletruths.com - pretty close names.
Seth's alive and kicking, living in California with his wife and little girl. He's somewhere around 30 years old I would guess..
http://tentmaker.org/forum/apologetic-support/accusations-of-ur-beliefs-just-because-we-do-not-like-the-doctrine-of-hell/msg99515/#msg99515
http://tentmaker.org/forum/profile/Seth/
Thanks... I've been wondering about that Seth... I didn't realize he was so young. Thanks for the link... I checked it... it going to be such fun rereading/recalling those days... I saw another name that I haven't seen here at TM for quite some time-- Paul Hazelwood... Well, I will take a few minutes each day to read the many, many posts. Again, thanks.
Yeah, he's pretty young. I'd guess 29-32 range. Lots of knowledge and insight for such a youngster. You're welcome.
Quote from: Lazarus Short on November 12, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
I though "John Hagee" when I saw the thread title. Sad, that his hunger for the approval of the Jews has led him to deny Jesus, to become an apostate. You don't get to be a TV preacher without that approval. His ET position is almost beside the point.
:thumbsup:
Sadly L.Ray Smith passed on.