the rest of 1Tim 4

[reFORMer]

Now I do see that non Jews can be of the house of God as the last verse says , but the question is, do you follow the Jewish Laws all 640 of them??

Weren't those nailed to the cross?


Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What I understand is if we are displaying sinfullness, working in opposition to the law of God, including behavior opposite of "the handwriting of ordinances," then we are those in whom the Lord of Glory is crucified, not risen.  If sin in the flesh of Adam is crucified with Christ but I walk in accordance with that nature which is condemned, then I am condemned.

What I notice is that those who do not submit to God's law and reject it's demands make up another law, and for all their protestations that it is truth by way of the Holy Spirit, it is actually the law of sin in their members.

Romans 6:14-15 (AV)...
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Yet the opposite has been expressed here, that God bless it, we are not under the law; so, homosexuality is now a gift of God.  God's word against it in Hebrew and Greek Scriptures was for another people than ourselves and for another time than now.  I'll cast my lot with The Holy Bible and the witness of the saints throughout the ages, not the filthy reprobate minds of so many since about 1980 who have marvelously discovered a new thing:  Lo! all those verses about homosexuality in the Bible are really about something else.  I find it so hard to believe people who espouse these things could possibly be sincere in believing what they say.

But why would I pick out that sin?  It is true the we are discussing a larger issue, "the body of sin" and its nullification (Rm 6:6.)  But when those who pretend to know what they're talking about concerning the God of the Bible approve of what God says is an abomination to Him, and, to exponentially magnify their error, attack as unenlightened bigots, even making it a criminal offence to speak of the blessed blood of Jesus shed for the sinners sin.  They seek the destruction of those who offended them by revealing their vile affections against nature are called sin. That narrow burning passion which consumes their suffering personalities is justly condemned so it cannot continue for ever and they might be freed from it by union with Christ is a thought reviled as against the nation.  Yeah, I'm talking about this watershed issue concerned with the freedom to worship God, to keep our Bibles rather than them being called pornographic or hate speech, or just not reliable, hence not permitted to be believed.  Certainly I will speak against some strange dispensational (ie., "dipSinsational") antinomianism (against God's written law-word,) a tradition of men that makes the word of God to no effect, nullifying it rather than the body of sin.  Will such thought crime hate speakers even be allowed to raise their own children in the days to come?  Will they be handed over for mandatory "treatment?" Don't pretend you don't live in the same world I do!

Romans 3:9, 20-22, 28-31 (AV)...
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
     These are the two categories about which He says there is no difference in vs.22.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
     This manifestation is witnessed to by the Hebrew Scriptures which are not made void, disposed of, made no longer of use, but this revealing of God establishes nomos, or, "law," what the torah is also called.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Jew and Gentile are the same in sin and in justification!

Romans 6:4-13 (Concordant Literal)...
4 We, then, were entombed together with Him through baptism into death, that, even as Christ was roused from among the dead through the glory of the Father, thus we also should be walking in newness of life.
5 For if we have become planted together in the likeness of His death, nevertheless we shall be of the resurrection also,
     This being planted together with Christ is all the choices we make referring to the Rock of our foundation, rather than like grains of sand, each motive of the flesh or idea of a self-serving mind.
6 knowing this, that our old humanity was crucified together with Him, that the body of Sin may be nullified, for us by no means to be still slaving for Sin,
7 for one who dies has been justified from Sin.
     This is the death of the old human nature in which the "body of sin" becomes inoperative.
8 Now if we died together with Christ, we believe that we shall be living together with Him also,
9 having perceived that Christ, being roused from among the dead, is no longer dying. Death is lording it over Him no longer,
10 for in that He died, He died to Sin once for all time, yet in that He is living, He is living to God.
     These words (Rm 6:8-10) describe a secret to bring us into immortal and incorruptable life.
11 Thus you also, be reckoning yourselves to be dead, indeed, to Sin, yet living to God in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
12 Let not Sin, then, be reigning in your mortal body, for you to be obeying its lusts.
13 Nor yet be presenting your members, as implements of injustice, to Sin, but present yourselves to God as if alive from among the dead, and your members as implements of righteousness to God.