In the book of Romans, I think this Verse is taken out of Context,
the "All Israel will be Saved" does NOT by Itself Proove if every single
Jewish person, Past,Present, and Future will be Saved,
It is Just a Possibility, What about in Romans where it says "Only the Remant of Israel will be Saved" seems like a Contradiction :icon_jokercolor:
I mean don't get me Wrong, I want every Single Jewish person,
Past, Present, Future to be Saved and in Heaven the Afterlife, but will it happen
Quote from: TheAuthenticFan on October 11, 2012, 08:29:43 PM
I mean don't get me Wrong, I want every Single Jewish person,
Past, Present, Future to be Saved and in Heaven the Afterlife, but will it happen
Yes. But what do you think?
CHB
It is the will of God that all men be saved.......behold the lamb that takes away the sin of the world...
God has given us eternal life..and that life is in His son........
THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN
Quote from: TheAuthenticFan on October 11, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
It is Just a Possibility, What about in Romans where it says "Only the Remant of Israel will be Saved" seems like a Contradiction
I think you have asked a very interesting question here. I just happened to read this verse this morning before coming here and don't have a satisfactory answer for myself on what this means. But I am very sure and know that "the Father has sent His Son to be the savior of the world." I John 4:14. Also, "He did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world." John 3:17. This means that the world is saved, a historical fact because of what happened about 32 AD. So, saved from what? Not hell, because there is no hell of eternal fire. Galations 1:4 says saved from this present evil age. Of course our salvation is not complete until we have learned to walk in all His ways, which I think takes most of us if not all, more than this lifetime.
QuoteSo, saved from what?
From death.
The wages of sin is death.
The wages of sin is death but it still is appointed unto man to die once.
I should have said, if we are saved from death why is it still appointed unto man to die once?
Quote from: bushy on October 14, 2012, 11:28:34 PM
I should have said, if we are saved from death why is it still appointed unto man to die once?
You can't very well be saved FROM death unless you're dead, yes? Otherwise, we're just saved from dying. We need to collect our wages first. As for all Israel, and Israel includes more than just Jews, being saved, if all men are going to be saved, then the answer is obvious.
Quote from: bushy on October 14, 2012, 11:28:34 PM
I should have said, if we are saved from death why is it still appointed unto man to die once?
IIRC scholars disagree on that.
Saved FROM death. ---> People never die.
Saved OUT OF death. ---> People get resurrected (from an otherwise everlasting death)
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/jukes2.html#p070
(NOTE: Our translators have sometimes rendered the Greek words here by the English words "from death;" as in Heb. 5:7; but the force of the original is always "out of death.")
This is from Isaiah 45:22-25 (Emphasis mine)(I thought some OT verses may help.)
"Turn to me now and be saved,
people all over the world!
I am the only God there is.
My promise is true,
and it will not be changed.
I solemnly promise by all that I am:
Everyone will come and kneel before me
and vow to be loyal to me.
"They will say that only through me
are victory and strength to be found;
but all who hate me will suffer disgrace. (note: disgrace is a far cry from ET)
I, the Lord, will rescue all the descendants of Jacob,
and they will give me praise.