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He died today at 3:15 (or 6:15 Easter Time). Interestingly, I feel a bit sad, but I'm not actually afraid for him. He's in good Hands.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/

(It's on Fox News, but I'm not sure how many people have that, so I found this website.)

I have been watching the news for the past couple of hours. I feel a sense of sadness as well, I enjoyed his music since I was a young girl.  Someone said to me, "I hope he was right with God before he died". I did not say anything. I know he is in good hands too Tim B. :grin:

sad for him he apparently was very lonely...but he is in good hands

Well, that's something I didn't know.  Michael Jackson had Synesthesia:

http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975 (http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975)

Hadn't listened to any of his stuff since the early 80s, unless some stuff he did with Paul McCartney was later.  Had I known he was a Synesthete, I'd of paid more attention over the years.

Quote from: martincisneros on June 28, 2009, 02:08:51 AM
Well, that's something I didn't know.  Michael Jackson had Synesthesia:

http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975 (http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975)

Hadn't listened to any of his stuff since the early 80s, unless some stuff he did with Paul McCartney was later.  Had I known he was a Synesthete, I'd of paid more attention over the years.

Woah, that actually sounds like a really interesting "neurologically based phenomenon"! Some people, when they hear sounds, have taste sensory sensations! Like the letter "f" causes this one man to taste sherbet! mmm! lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

Yeah, I'm one of the ones that has only one bodily sensation, or in my case it's that way; for me:

sound has taste, touch, smell, sight
sight has taste, touch, smell, sound
taste has sound, touch, smell, sight
touch has sound, taste, smell, sight
smell has sound, sight, taste, and touch

but my case may be a whole lot more advanced than most synesthetes.  Just means I have sensory overload sometimes and withdraw in order to pray, but often just to have a quiet space to defrag my mental drive.  It's not a handicap of any kind.  Often it allows the greatest creativity in the world's eyes because the synesthete isn't in the "typical" perfectionist kick, but they're wanting things that sound, look, taste, touch, and smell right to them; for they themselves. 

I've not been enough of a student of Mozart to be sure if there's corroborating biographical "hints" along these lines, but Mozart's music is such a piece of art that is well pleasing to absolutely all of the senses and even in moments of all of the senses being aware all at once, that I have a sneaky suspicion that his music came out of a mind that was likely as synesthetic as mine.  Not a note out of place, even to a synesthete!  No degree of logic, education, training, I.Q., or anything else is going to produce music that's such a pleasure to either a synesthete that's simply got every molecule of both sets of neurons working -- those in the cranium and the 50,000+ neurons behind the heart -- or with those like idiot savants that have one half of the brain working at 100% mental capacity, productivity, activity, etc. 

And when a synesthete is able to appreciate the art of an artist that's not a synesthete, then you probably got one of the better reviews of your art that you could possibly get, EVER, if not THE absolute best critical review you could have ever gotten, 'cause they're looking at something whether musically or with painting or photography, cooking, design, fashion, or whatever from many, if not all, levels all at once.

I do not know if it is the same thing, probably not,  but I used to get deeply depressed over certain patterns of music and it does not matter what song and I can't really describe the patterns.  it was never about the song or a memory association with the song.

But if there was a certain combination of cymbals, drums beats and keyboard I would just get depressed instantly and no thoughts would enter my mind. 

For a while I stopped listening to any music due to that because I could not predict it other than remembering a song it occured from.   Interesting thing now, and I simply give credit to God, is that I can't remember one song that happened with and am listening to music quite frequently now with no reoccurance.

I'm glad I have not experienced that for a long time.

It makes me very sad--especially the number of parasites who fed off this creative man in his life and will continue their feeding frenzy after his death. :sigh:

"Man In The Mirror"

I'm Gonna Make A Change,
For Once In My Life
It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
Gonna Make A Difference
Gonna Make It Right . . .

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)


I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?

A Willow Deeply Scarred,
Somebody's Broken Heart
And A Washed-Out Dream
(Washed-Out Dream)
They Follow The Pattern Of
The Wind, Ya' See
Cause They Got No Place
To Be
That's Why I'm Starting With
Me
(Starting With Me!)

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
(Ooh!)
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
(Ooh!)
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself And
Then Make A Change)



23Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like.
--James 1



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4s16pzRYqU&feature=related

A pure counter tenor voice [equivalent to mezzo soprano], --you won't hear a voice like this again in our lifetimes.   

Have you seen my childhood?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH8qlyjUDGc




Everything I am (Dedicated to the fans of Michael Jackson)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUYjLwrwWhc

You and I must make a pact, we must bring salvation back
Where there is love, I'll be there

I'll reach out my hand to you, I'll have faith in all you do
Just call my name and I'll be there

I'll be there to comfort you,
Build my world of dreams around you, I'm so glad that I found you
I'll be there with a love that's strong
I'll be your strength, I'll keep holding on

Let me fill your heart with joy and laughter
Togetherness, well that's all I'm after
Whenever you need me, I'll be there
I'll be there to protect you, with an unselfish love that respects you
Just call my name and I'll be there


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nytjb3Cjkc

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I had a girlfriend once, and she wrote a song, called it "Getting
Ready to LIVE!" 

Re Michael Jackson, I loved to see him "dance" .......There was
never ONE that could top him on that MOONWALK!~!!

The words to these songs are beautiful, Molly.  I am glad you posted
them. 

If one has an ear to hear, they can hear a lot of "Spirit" concerning
Michael Jackson.

I guess that's what LOVE does to you.  Jesus must be full of it!

Thank you, RLV.  I was beginning to feel a little lonely in this thread.  Here are some lyrics to one of his most famous songs which raised about 8 million dollars for famine relief efforts in Africa.  There's a reason why millions of people all over the world love this man.  How he ever got so many strong egos to share the limelight with others in this production is a miracle all by itself. lol




"We are the world"


There comes a time
When we heed a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying
And it's time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all

We can't go on
Pretending  day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of
God's great big family
And the truth, you know love is all we need

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me


When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZKyYFyiFA



Acts 20:35
In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.' "

I grew up on Michael, his music was a big part of our community. I think Man in the Mirror is one of my favorites....I have so many favs, I can't really pick one..

May he RIP, he is in good hands. :) ...

"In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe."




"The meaning of life is contained in every single expression of life. It is present in the infinity of forms and phenomena that exist in all of creation."




"I wake up from dreams and go "Wow, put this down on paper." The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face "




"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with."




"And my goal in life is to give to the world what I was lucky to receive: the ecstasy of divine union through my music and my dance."




--Michael Jackson

..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 08, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

Same here, I felt the Lord. It seemed to be a Christian memorial service if you ask me.

This has to be one of my favorites..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ane6VJGlIMs&feature=PlayList&p=F925521D155F4948&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

the king is dead...long live the King!

Michael Jackson - Cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06fI4n1MH8&feature=channel


"You can change the world, but you cannot do it by yourself."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqeADZgjtpY

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 08, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 02:32:58 PM


yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

There's a lot of that sentiment going around right now.... :sigh:

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 08, 2009, 02:53:41 PM

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 02:32:58 PM


yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

There's a lot of that sentiment going around right now.... :sigh:

what i watched of the show i liked, the only thing that bugged me was the guy who said MJ will be forever incharge of the heavenly choir.

never the less, may his children be comforted.


peace
chuckt

I just can't believe he's dead :2c:

Quote from: Andromeda_Organa on July 08, 2009, 03:37:11 PM
I just can't believe he's dead :2c:

He just took the next step...

Quote from: Andromeda_Organa on July 08, 2009, 03:37:11 PM
I just can't believe he's dead :2c:

even after all the news coverage and solid proof that he's gone ?
:laughing7:

im sure there will be sightings so fret not.

chuckt

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 08, 2009, 02:53:41 PM

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 02:32:58 PM


yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

There's a lot of that sentiment going around right now.... :sigh:

I think this is very true.
I think a lot of folks saw Michael Jackson as a neverending source of amusement/ridicule.
Instead of seeing him as a human being.
Now they are realizing that yes, he was a human being.
With feelings.


Perhaps, in death, Michael will have changed some for the better.
I say this from experience.
Sometimes a death can bring about a sorrow about what you did or did not do for a person.
This can either make you go downhill, or it can make you reach out for God's hand.

Let's all just pray that it makes a lot of people reach out for God's hand.


Peace.

Quote from: sparrow on July 08, 2009, 05:48:29 PM

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 08, 2009, 02:53:41 PM

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 02:32:58 PM


yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

There's a lot of that sentiment going around right now.... :sigh:

I think this is very true.
I think a lot of folks saw Michael Jackson as a neverending source of amusement/ridicule.
Instead of seeing him as a human being.
Now they are realizing that yes, he was a human being.
With feelings.


Perhaps, in death, Michael will have changed some for the better.
I say this from experience.
Sometimes a death can bring about a sorrow about what you did or did not do for a person.
This can either make you go downhill, or it can make you reach out for God's hand.

Let's all just pray that it makes a lot of people reach out for God's hand.


Peace.

yes you show wisdom here.

God bless
chuckt

Well, little eleven year old Paris got the last word:


'Ever since I was born, Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And, I just want to say, I love him so much.'

Watched the entire music video for Thriller.  No one could dance like Michael Jackson.

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 08, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

Our whole family watched it together.  It was beautiful.   Michael Jackson was used by God yesterday to reach into hearts across the globe.  In his death, he did more than he ever could have done with a 'come-back' tour which he was planning.  And to imagine a man as emaciated as him facing a tour of 50 concerts while he was obviously in unimaginable physical and emotional pain - it is hard to think of it.   I'm glad God took him before he had to do that last tour and vindicated Michael before the eyes of his enemies yesterday.

Anne

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
im sure there will be sightings so fret not.

He moved in with Elvis, they are working on a new song, something like.

I'm bad, you know it, don't step on my blue suedes or you'll be singing the jailhouse rock while the chilly winds blow. so beat it!

willieH: Greetings my dear TM family...  :boyheart:

I watched the entire memorial service, and many times during it, I had tears in my eyes...

Just because he was famous and had a lot of money, he became a tabloid target, which led to all the ridiculous accusations made against him...

He was one of a kind, a fabulous entertainer, and a heart that never had a childhood.  Reaching out to others often, unrighteously and unfoundedly blasted just as often...

I was quite touched when it was mentioned that he was in the Guiness book of World Records for having donated and helped monetarily MORE than ANY other entertainer...  That says it all for me...

He was a writer with conviction as Molly has displayed today... (thanks Molly), and though I am not a fan of modern music... He was ONE of few, that was still capable of an ORIGINAL effort... and still be worthy of a purchase of that music!

Able to capture an listening as well as a visual audience... Praise the Lord for the life of Michael Jackson... He deservedly is mentioned as one of, if not the greatest ever in his field...

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 08, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

Me too RLV... much LOVE and sharing...

"Soon very soon, we are going to see the King"...

Yeah, I used to make a slight joke regarding Michael Jackson (nothing inappropriate), but I can't do it now that he's dead. Him dying put the importance of his existence into better lighting, and I don't wish to make the joke anymore. God bless Michael Jackson!

All the beautiful music written for the high voice in the middle ages and Renaissance was sung by....men and boys.  Women were not allowed to sing in church settings or in public.  What men were able to hit those high notes?  Most prominently, the castrati, who,  from the 16th to the 19th century, were men who were castrated as boys to preserve the clear high vocal ability of the boy soprano.   Now you have a man whose voice has not changed but with the large lung and vocal capacity of the male body.  It was said of them that they had the voices of angels.  Some, such as Farinelli,  were said to be able to sing a range of three octaves.  Without the castrati, the high notes reserved by God for boy sopranos and grown women would have to be sung by the tinny, thin voices of male falsettists.  Did everyone already know this?  As Michael Jackson has said, history is not taught in schools.

I am so blessed that I live in a time when I have had the freedom and great pleasure to sing music that was originally written for male voices!  And, God preserved this beautiful music for those who would inherit it rightfully--the female soprano voice.



Western choral tradition begins with early Christianity, where patristic writers refer to antiphonal and responsorial singing in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. There are reasons for believing that some chant was chorally performed in the Middle Ages; not until c 1430 was polyphony assigned to choirs. In medieval churches and monasteries, choirs were composed entirely of men, sometimes with boys, because of St Paul's prohibition of women's singing in church; women were permitted to sing only in convents. A typical cathedral choir might consist of four to six boys and ten to 13 men.

During the Renaissance, secular music continued to be sung by soloists, except in certain festive contexts (e.g. royal wedding festivities). Sacred polyphony began to be sung chorally, however, with choirs commonly in four basic voice parts, akin to the modern soprano-alto-tenor-bass (SATB) distribution. Soprano parts were normally assigned to boys until the 16th century, when castrato singers were introduced into Roman Catholic church choirs; the alto parts were sung by men with high voices, or in falsetto, or by boys. Later, castrato singers took over the alto as well as soprano parts. Choirs of 20-30 were used in the late 15th and early 16th centuries, though it is uncertain how many were used at any individual performance. But instances are recorded of larger choirs, for example 62 singers at Munich, under Lassus, c 1570, and English performances with more than 70 when the Chapel Royal combined with another institution.

In the Baroque period these trends continued, for example at a feast in honour of S Petronio at Bologna in 1687, with a choir of 65, and at Handel's funeral in London, in 1759, where three choirs combined. In the late Baroque period, St Mark's, Venice, had a choir of 36; the English Chapel Royal had 34 to 38; there were 30 at Buxtehude's Abendmusik concerts at Lübeck; and Bach's choir at full strength numbered 36 (though in practice the number singing at any individual service was probably much smaller, even one or two to a part; in a plan for reforms Bach requested that some 12 singers be on call). Antiphonal effects were often used, for example in the traditional decani-cantores arrangement in English churches, the famous Venetian cori spezzati ('broken choirs', spatially apart) and similarly in Germany and in Rome where polychoral performance particularly flourished.

http://www.answers.com/topic/chorus

I hope all those molested boys share your sentiments...

Quote from: noname on July 09, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
I hope all those molested boys share your sentiments...

Are you talking to me?  There is no proof that any boys were molested.  Even one who was paid off has apparently recanted as an adult, and MJ was found not guilty the one time they tried to take him to trial.  Unfortunately, once an accusation like that is made, it's hard to recover even though it is false.

Thousands of sick and disabled children visited his ranch through Make a Wish foundation and others,  where they were treated to hours of fun, and he was always a great benefactor of children's charities.  If there were any evidence of such a thing, I could never enjoy his music--there is no evidence and never will be, because he was falsely accused.

It might be a more interesting question to ask--why did he have so many enemies who wanted to take him out? 

Although he was acquitted of all charges, he never recovered from the stress and heartbreak of the 2005 trial.


Good name in man and woman, dear my lord,
Is the immediate jewel of their souls.
Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.

--Wm. Shakespeare, Othello, Act 3, scene 3

Hi molly im reminded of this passage:

1Cr 4:5 so, then, nothing before the time judge ye, till the Lord may come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of the darkness, and will manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then the praise shall come to each from God. 

God bless
euty

Quote from: noname on July 09, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
I hope all those molested boys share your sentiments...

1Cr 4:5 so, then, nothing before the time judge ye, till the Lord may come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of the darkness, and will manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then the praise shall come to each from God. 

Quote from: chuckt on July 09, 2009, 05:15:41 PM

Quote from: noname on July 09, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
I hope all those molested boys share your sentiments...

1Cr 4:5 so, then, nothing before the time judge ye, till the Lord may come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of the darkness, and will manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then the praise shall come to each from God. 

Chuck, I'm glad you wrote the above.  We believe that GOD was
"in" Christ, reconciling the "world" unto HIMSELF.

And, I was just thinking of the "millions" who for "hours" watched
an "annointed" service giving "glory" to His Mercy and LIFE.  God
looks at the heart, how very fortunate we are when "we" can do
that.

RLV, I just wanted to tell you what a great comfort you have been to me through this--as a witness to what you have seen here.  This whole thing has hurt my heart so much.  It just seems that whenever a great talent enters this awful world, it has to be crucified, spit on, and trashed.   This man soared to heights that most of us will never see--so we have two choices, look up, be glad for him, and enjoy what he is sharing with us, or pull him down to our level and trample him under our feet.  His life was a tragedy, but I know for sure from his music and dancing that he did have moments of pure joy and knew God.



Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

--John Gillespie Magee, Jr

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 09, 2009, 07:07:41 PM

Quote from: chuckt on July 09, 2009, 05:15:41 PM

Quote from: noname on July 09, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
I hope all those molested boys share your sentiments...

1Cr 4:5 so, then, nothing before the time judge ye, till the Lord may come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of the darkness, and will manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then the praise shall come to each from God. 

Chuck, I'm glad you wrote the above.  We believe that GOD was
"in" Christ, reconciling the "world" unto HIMSELF.

And, I was just thinking of the "millions" who for "hours" watched
an "annointed" service giving "glory" to His Mercy and LIFE.  God
looks at the heart, how very fortunate we are when "we" can do
that.

Amen, i apologized to the people at work for making fun of MJ, i was ashamed as i thought about my words. and witness i gave that day.

inlove
chuckt

Hey Chuck...
love ya. your post was very humbling.
thank you for sharing that.
:HeartThrob:,
sparrow.

Quote from: sparrow on July 09, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
Hey Chuck...
love ya. your post was very humbling.
thank you for sharing that.
:HeartThrob:,
sparrow.

everytime i think im getting spiritual i goof up and BAM, i see the real me.

how long oh Lord , how long.....

peace and love

chuckt

Quote from: chuckt on July 09, 2009, 08:26:03 PM

Quote from: sparrow on July 09, 2009, 08:22:33 PM
Hey Chuck...
love ya. your post was very humbling.
thank you for sharing that.
:HeartThrob:,
sparrow.

everytime i think im getting spiritual i goof up and BAM, i see the real me.

how long oh Lord , how long.....

peace and love

chuckt

We gotta cling to Him, don't we?  :HeartThrob:

QuoteWe gotta cling to Him, don't we?  :HeartThrob:

indeed.

if we where made perfect on this side we would forget about him with the quickness.

many blessing to you sparrow.

chuckt

Quote from: chuckt on July 09, 2009, 08:44:47 PM

QuoteWe gotta cling to Him, don't we?  :HeartThrob:

indeed.

if we where made perfect on this side we would forget about him with the quickness.

many blessing to you sparrow.

chuckt

Hey! I was just reading something the other day about that very same thing.
I'll have to dig it up and post it tonight.
had to do with aging, etc.
good stuff.

Gene Kelly and Michael Jackson dancing together to Singing in the Rain courtesy of a fan and some creative splicing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8jtp-RAdI0

Molly, check your pm's.  :HeartThrob:

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

--Mark Twain



Interview with author and reporter,  Aphrodite Jones on her new book   "Michael Jackson Conspiracy"  and MJ's defense lawyer (in his 2005 trial where he was acquitted of all 14 counts) Thomas Mesereau.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwehjDPOYU


"The publishing world has decided there will be nothing pro-Jackson, even though a courtroom has exonerated him.  I realized there is a conspiracy, and the conspiracy is that the media has conspired to destroy this man's reputation and career. "

--A. Jones

Quote from: Molly on July 10, 2009, 07:34:22 PM

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

--Mark Twain



Interview with author and reporter,  Aphrodite Jones on her new book   "Michael Jackson Conspiracy"  and MJ's defense lawyer (in his 2005 trial where he was acquitted of all 14 counts) Thomas Mesereau.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwehjDPOYU


"The publishing world has decided there will be nothing pro-Jackson, even though a courtroom has exonerated him.  I realized there is a conspiracy, and the conspiracy is that the media has conspired to destroy this man's reputation and career. "

--A. Jones

This is not a refutation of what circus the media has made of MJ, but I think most people misunderstand what the implication is concerning the word conspiracy.

The media is out for money, and ratings is often the means by which money is gained.  Without an audience neither ratings or money can be gained by the media.

The Media already knows it's audience responds to shock and negativity.  It responds to class envy and it enjoys seeing the famous crumble before thier eyes.

This does not necessarily exhonerate the media, but the blame falls greatly on the audience,  if the audience refuses to tolerate something to the point that the media cannot gain, then the media will gain upon what the audience tolerates.

Two of his doctors have  confirmed that Michael Jackson had Lupus, Depak Chopra and Dr. Klein, his skin doctor.  This is a very painful disease and could easily explain his abuse of painkillers, especially given his line of work.  I can't imagine trying to dance with this disease--it almost seems impossible--as it tends to inflame every joint in the body.  The man wasn't 'weird,' he was very, very ill --especially the last ten years. 



The Real Reason for Michael Jackson's Death? His Secret Fatal Illness

Was the King of pop really felled by prescription drug use and abuse ? Those who speculate on this theory could be dead wrong! Instead, Michael could very well be the victim of the lupus he suffered from.

Did you know that Michael Jackson, was the victim of a rare auto-immune disease called lupus? Yes, he was according to his Wikipedia biography and as it turns out -- lupus sufferers frequently die in their 40s and 50's from sudden heart attacks, caused by atherosclerosis. Let me explain.

Lupus causes inflammation in many of the body's organs including the arteries of the heart. The inflamed arteries then cause cholesterol to deposit on their walls.These deposits cause scarring, and the whole process primes lupus victims to have massive heart attacks, which are often asymptomatic beforehand.

Mild lupus sufferers, like Jackson, are actually more at risk for having a fatal heart attack, according to Dr Michael Lockshin, a rheumatologist at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City. The reason for this is because people who have a mild case of lupus are less likely to take any of the medications which would prevent inflammation of the organs.

Now if you don't believe that Jackson had lupus consider this: vitiligo, which Jackson also suffered from, resulting in the famous pigment loss in his skin, is also an auto-immune disease. Coincidentally, vitiligo and lupus are often diagnosed in the same person, explains Dr. Lockshin. In other words, it would not have been unusual for Michael Jackson to have suffered from both ailments.

Here's another key fact: African-Americans are four times more like to be lupus victims than Caucasians. However, lupus is far more common in women than men. Still men, do get it.

So would prescription drug abuse have exacerbated a case of lupus? Only if demerol was injected intravenously, would it also have damaged Jackson's heart, according to Dr. Lockshin. Demerol injected into his muscles would not have played a deadly role and neither would drugs like Xanax and Zoloft.

Lupus also frequently causes inflammation and pain in the joints, which could explain why Jackson was sometimes seen in a wheel chair. This might also explain why Jackson had not performed in years. Maybe it wasn't just the stress of the child molestation charges and trials that forced him to put his performance career on hold. Maybe, he was simply unwilling to share his medical problems with the public.

Until a possible lupus-induced heart attack felled him, the King of Pop may have preferred to preserve the illusion that he was still, at least in some ways, invincible!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bonnie-fuller/the-real-reason-for-micha_b_221825.html





Oh, God! That boy moves in a very exceptional way. That's the greatest dancer of the century.

---Fred Astaire

"Many will be conscious-stricken in the day of their judgment."

:yes: peacemaker

Quote from: sparrow on July 08, 2009, 05:48:29 PM

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 08, 2009, 02:53:41 PM

Quote from: chuckt on July 08, 2009, 02:32:58 PM


yeah, i sorta made fun of MJ i feel,bad now.

forgive me.

chuckt/euty

There's a lot of that sentiment going around right now.... :sigh:

I think this is very true.
I think a lot of folks saw Michael Jackson as a neverending source of amusement/ridicule.
Instead of seeing him as a human being.
Now they are realizing that yes, he was a human being.
With feelings.


Perhaps, in death, Michael will have changed some for the better.
I say this from experience.
Sometimes a death can bring about a sorrow about what you did or did not do for a person.
This can either make you go downhill, or it can make you reach out for God's hand.

Let's all just pray that it makes a lot of people reach out for God's hand.


Peace.

Amen..

I have been listening to "Stranger in Moscow" by Michael for days now..almost non-stop. This song is so deep, you have to listen to the words. He was expresses his lonliness and pain he felt on a tour in Moscow..But, the words of the song also speak of how lonely he felt.

This is probably one of his most beautiful songs ever written and so deep..

I miss Michael, I truly loved him and his music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE)

I was wandering in the rain
Mask of life, feelin' insane
Swift and sudden fall from grace
Sunny days seem far away
Kremlin's shadow belittlin' me
Stalin's tomb won't let me be
On and on and on it came
Wish the rain would just let me

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

Here abandoned in my fame
Armageddon of the brain
KGB was doggin' me
Take my name and just let me be
Then a begger boy called my name
Happy days will drown the pain
On and on and on it came
And again, and again, and again...
Take my name and just let me be

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel (How does it feel now)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

How does it feel (How does it feel)
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel
How does it feel (How does it feel now)
How does it feel
How does it feel
When you're alone
And you're cold inside

Like stranger in Moscow
Like stranger in Moscow
We're talkin' danger
We're talkin' danger, baby
Like stranger in Moscow
We're talkin' danger
We're talkin' danger, baby
Like stranger in Moscow
I'm live in lonely
I'm live in lonely, baby
Stranger in Moscow

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 08, 2009, 07:57:43 PM

Quote from: Redlettervoice on July 08, 2009, 02:17:03 AM
..........

Well, I watched the "memorial" ........and all I can say is that
"I felt the Lord!"

Our whole family watched it together.  It was beautiful.   Michael Jackson was used by God yesterday to reach into hearts across the globe.  In his death, he did more than he ever could have done with a 'come-back' tour which he was planning.  And to imagine a man as emaciated as him facing a tour of 50 concerts while he was obviously in unimaginable physical and emotional pain - it is hard to think of it.   I'm glad God took him before he had to do that last tour and vindicated Michael before the eyes of his enemies yesterday.

Anne

So true...God used him big time. He was definitely vindicated. I think his little girl put the icing on the cake.  :icon_flower:

strange strange world...everyone's crying for mj while american drones are killing hundreds in pakistan, afghanistan...while israel starves the gazans and taking humanitarian aid ships captive and putting americans in jail, this is all you can talk about
you have been weighed and found out...

Quote from: noname on July 13, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
strange strange world...everyone's crying for mj while american drones are killing hundreds in pakistan, afghanistan...while israel starves the gazans and taking humanitarian aid ships captive and putting americans in jail, this is all you can talk about
you have been weighed and found out...

No, this is not ALL we can talk about.  It is ONE thing among many that are making our hearts heavy.  Your comment sounds very self-righteous.

Anne

Quote from: noname on July 13, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
strange strange world...everyone's crying for mj while american drones are killing hundreds in pakistan, afghanistan...while israel starves the gazans and taking humanitarian aid ships captive and putting americans in jail, this is all you can talk about
you have been weighed and found out...

Hi noname, I can only speak for myself, but I suspect it's true for many others as well.  We are mourning the loss of a very big voice that was calling for an end of all that nonsense.


Let us dream of tomorrow where we can truly love from the soul, and know love as the ultimate truth at the heart of all creation.

--Michael Jackson

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 13, 2009, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: noname on July 13, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
strange strange world...everyone's crying for mj while american drones are killing hundreds in pakistan, afghanistan...while israel starves the gazans and taking humanitarian aid ships captive and putting americans in jail, this is all you can talk about
you have been weighed and found out...

No, this is not ALL we can talk about.  It is ONE thing among many that are making our hearts heavy.  Your comment sounds very self-righteous.

Anne

Anne,
I understand that the death of mj makes your heart heavy...how heavy do you think american atrocities make the hearts of those mothers that has to suffer your aggression every day? what is the weight of a million people being slaughtered over the last 4 years? and still more and more blood must flow...where are the threads on this "christian" or "UR" forum screaming out? where are the threads condemning the atrocities at abu graib, guantanamo, and all the other hells people are being kept? when someone starts a thread about these things...it gets deleted?
but a crotch grabbing child molester (yes he was found not guilty but so was oj) is hailed as a hero?
call me selfrighteous...but the world you are living in is really skewed

Quote from: noname on July 14, 2009, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 13, 2009, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: noname on July 13, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
strange strange world...everyone's crying for mj while american drones are killing hundreds in pakistan, afghanistan...while israel starves the gazans and taking humanitarian aid ships captive and putting americans in jail, this is all you can talk about
you have been weighed and found out...

No, this is not ALL we can talk about.  It is ONE thing among many that are making our hearts heavy.  Your comment sounds very self-righteous.

Anne

Anne,
I understand that the death of mj makes your heart heavy...how heavy do you think american atrocities make the hearts of those mothers that has to suffer your aggression every day? what is the weight of a million people being slaughtered over the last 4 years? and still more and more blood must flow...where are the threads on this "christian" or "UR" forum screaming out? where are the threads condemning the atrocities at abu graib, guantanamo, and all the other hells people are being kept? when someone starts a thread about these things...it gets deleted?
but a crotch grabbing child molester (yes he was found not guilty but so was oj) is hailed as a hero?
call me selfrighteous...but the world you are living in is really skewed

He was our family member and we'll deal with our grief our way, thank you. It's a pity that Michael had the same goals you espouse (to end suffering) and yet all you believe about him is whatever the corrupt press said who made the biggest scene on earth and then fell strangely quiet after Michael's acquittal (though it has been proven that the people behind the accusations were money hungry cons who made the molestation stories up).

God bless your zeal for righteousness but you're barking up the wrong tree here, and again, we'll deal with our grief our way. Also, please list the practical ways you are ending suffering - I could print many many pages of how Michael did that. (P.S. Ranting and raving online doesn't count)

Quote from: noname on July 14, 2009, 10:27:38 AM
Anne,
I understand that the death of mj makes your heart heavy...how heavy do you think american atrocities make the hearts of those mothers that has to suffer your aggression every day? what is the weight of a million people being slaughtered over the last 4 years? and still more and more blood must flow...where are the threads on this "christian" or "UR" forum screaming out? where are the threads condemning the atrocities at abu graib, guantanamo, and all the other hells people are being kept? when someone starts a thread about these things...it gets deleted?
but a crotch grabbing child molester (yes he was found not guilty but so was oj) is hailed as a hero?
call me selfrighteous...but the world you are living in is really skewed

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain...
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've shed before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about apathy
(What about us)
I need you
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo, ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn

Aaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaah

--Michael Jackson, Earth Song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqIEU6RfUo

I personally think a reminder that many are suffering is a good thing.  We need to pray for all men everywhere, and do good when we are able and specifically led.  However, I don't think there's one person on here that's attacking anyone overseas, slaughtering anybody, or making blood flow. Specifically, I don't think Anne is bringing aggression to anyone.  No single person on here is "America", or able to make our government do what it needs to do - though I don't think anyone of us has any need whatsoever to apologize for being an American.  We will all individually give account for our deeds before God, as well as this and every other country as a whole (sheep and goats/national judgment).  God has been good to this country, though we do have consequences for our behavior and disobedience as a nation.  In the end, we each individually need to give thanks, walk humbly before our God, and help those in need when we have occasion.

Just as we all, Michael suffered the consequences of things in his life, including of his and others' making.  He was probably a victim as much or more than a perpetrator, and is another child of God that our Father knows exactly what to do with. 

There has not a single day gone by since America chose to respond to 9/11 with more war that I have not grieved over my country.  But of course, you, Noname, obviously do not know me.  There are many horrors in my face that break my heart each and every day, and I do not have the power to stop these things.   Jesus was crucified and we are all crucified with him.   As far as my feelings about Michael Jackson go, it is his mother and his children whom I grieve for at this time.

Anne

I apologise if I've hurt anybody's feelings with my "self-righteousness" and "zeal for righteousness"...
I did not realize how big this idol was in your hearts
as jabcat said, we'll all have to answer for our transgressions whether individually or national
this was not the right thread to express my rage regarding the annihilation of humankind...is there one on this site adressing real issues? I s'pose not...as long as we are being "spiritual" the world can burn around us 'cause we don't care...it's not my house being bulldozed, or my children being blown up, or my country being invaded...

"you've got your mtv, money for nothing and chicks fore free" :thumbsup:

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
I apologise if I've hurt anybody's feelings with my "self-righteousness" and "zeal for righteousness"...
I did not realize how big this idol was in your hearts
as jabcat said, we'll all have to answer for our transgressions whether individually or national
this was not the right thread to express my rage regarding the annihilation of humankind...is there one on this site adressing real issues? I s'pose not...as long as we are being "spiritual" the world can burn around us 'cause we don't care...it's not my house being bulldozed, or my children being blown up, or my country being invaded...

"you've got your mtv, money for nothing and chicks fore free" :thumbsup:

I think the key word is RAGE which is your problem.  I deal with my own rage about injustice as well.  But it is ignorance to deal with it by accusing others of not caring about the pathetic condition of the world (as if we are omnipotent beings who can control everything going on!)  Think about it, seriously.   Get off the high horse for your own sake.

Anne

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 10:11:18 AM
I apologise if I've hurt anybody's feelings with my "self-righteousness" and "zeal for righteousness"...
I did not realize how big this idol was in your hearts
as jabcat said, we'll all have to answer for our transgressions whether individually or national
this was not the right thread to express my rage regarding the annihilation of humankind...is there one on this site adressing real issues? I s'pose not...as long as we are being "spiritual" the world can burn around us 'cause we don't care...it's not my house being bulldozed, or my children being blown up, or my country being invaded...

"you've got your mtv, money for nothing and chicks fore free" :thumbsup:

Just provide the info I requested...

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 15, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
 Get off the high horse for your own sake.

Anne

my horse might be high but is smaller than the Beast you're riding on....take care that it does not trip, for it will devour you before you hit the ground

QuoteJust provide the info I requested...

i cannot compete with your god pan....i can tell you about repentance on a personal and national level though...if you have an ear to hear...

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 12:08:14 PM

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 15, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
 Get off the high horse for your own sake.

Anne

my horse might be high but is smaller than the Beast you're riding on....take care that it does not trip, for it will devour you before you hit the ground

QuoteJust provide the info I requested...

i cannot compete with your god pan....i can tell you about repentance on a personal and national level though...if you have an ear to hear...

Thought so....

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 15, 2009, 01:57:01 PM

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 12:08:14 PM

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 15, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
 Get off the high horse for your own sake.

Anne

my horse might be high but is smaller than the Beast you're riding on....take care that it does not trip, for it will devour you before you hit the ground

QuoteJust provide the info I requested...

i cannot compete with your god pan....i can tell you about repentance on a personal and national level though...if you have an ear to hear...

Thought so....

right back at ya...

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 02:26:20 PM

Quote from: firstborn888 on July 15, 2009, 01:57:01 PM

Quote from: noname on July 15, 2009, 12:08:14 PM

Quote from: Raggedy Anne on July 15, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
 Get off the high horse for your own sake.

Anne

my horse might be high but is smaller than the Beast you're riding on....take care that it does not trip, for it will devour you before you hit the ground

QuoteJust provide the info I requested...

i cannot compete with your god pan....i can tell you about repentance on a personal and national level though...if you have an ear to hear...

Thought so....

right back at ya...

Perhaps there's a better way for you to alleviate the injustice and suffering in the world BESIDES hanging out at the MJ thread? Maybe? Worth considering... :thumbsup:

Hi Noname,

I don't see why we couldn't have a thread in the members section where we just list various things that we feel others should look at.  Thanks for bringing that hijacked relief ship to my attention.  I wasn't aware of that, and Cynthia McKinney is one of my heroes.  Sometimes you have to search for this type of news because whereas they will put 5 hours of news on tv a day about michael jackson, they will not even mention an event like that.  But, it was out there in the print media.  I just wasn't reading the print media for a few weeks.

It seems to me that just by being aware of what is going on --it has to help 1) because they work so hard to keep us unaware, and 2) because Jesus said it would.

So--go for it.  Start a thread!

But, in general, don't assume people are not paying attention, and even doing things.  They are.  But, more importantly, the consciousness of people has to change, and it is.   Of that, I am as sure as I am hopeful for the better things He has promised us--abundant life, for everyone.



McKinney Returns to U.S. After Release From Israeli Jail
Former Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney was released from Israeli custody Monday after being detained for trying to break the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip. 
Tuesday, July 07, 2009

Former Georgia Rep. Cynthia McKinney returned to the U.S. Tuesday after being detained in an Israeli prison for trying to break the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip, according to a statement from the Green Party. 

McKinney and 20 activists from the "Free Gaza Movement" were arrested June 30 when their boat attempted to sail from Cyprus to Gaza to deliver three tons of aid to Palestinians -- a move meant to bring attention to the blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt on the territory after terror group Hamas seized power there two years ago.

McKinney, who was the Green Party's candidate for president in 2008, claimed in a statement that she was arrested and imprisoned in a jail in Ramla, Israel, "because we wanted to give crayons to the children in Gaza."

"If Israel fears for its security because Gaza's children have crayons then not only has Israel lost its last shred of legitimacy, but Israel must be declared a failed state," McKinney said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/07/report-mckinney-released-israeli-jail-returning/

Now, I never thought I would respond to a dead thread; here I am:

59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

So, Why so sad everyone???

Is there no faith in the land?

Why mourn, when you KNOW Jesus????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

QuoteSo, Why so sad everyone???

Is there no faith in the land?

Because sometimes the lights in the city on a hill can go pretty dim from death or apathy.

Nothing worse than having all the lights go out.




Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

The lights are getting brighter for those who have eyes to see, not more dim.
Jackson was but a man, no more no less. He has gone on.
The Sons of God, however, are now to deliver creation from all ties that bind.

WE ARE, THE LIGHT OF THE CITY !

 :cloud9: Amen, Beloved Servant........and the day is approaching FAST. Blessings....

FAST is not FAST enough Card.
We rot in this un-regenerated flesh.
Come quickly Lord Jesus!

One good alternative source for news that reports these kinds of things is Common Dreams:
http://www.commondreams.org

And I hear a lot of things on the Air America podcasts http://www.airamerica.com
that are ignored by the corporate owned (main stream) news. 
You see when you are owned by huge corporations  as are the majority of news outlets these days, there are things
that they simply will not report because of who is buttering their bread.

I used to stay angry about all the horrible crap going on - but it never changed anything.  So instead, I've learned to
just stay informed and trust God to do what is right because humans are flawed and will always disappoint.  I do
sometimes wonder if some of the really wicked men who have ordered torture of people will ever just be struck by
lightning or something worse before the eyes of everyone.   Why is there no justice?  And why is there so much
cruelty?  I will never understand it.

Quote from: Molly on July 16, 2009, 05:53:54 AM
So--go for it.  Start a thread!

Hi Molly,
I've started several threads on "stuff we should know" but they've all been wiped out by the current admin

as far as McKinney goes, that is the image I'd like to see of "the great America"...walk the talk
she has just through her actions shown how morally deprived the Israelis are and anyone who supports them...as far as "stuff to know" goes, there are now 25 IDF soldiers who are testifying against their army's conduct in the last Gaza war...or shall we be honest with ourselves and call it genocide?

QuoteI used to stay angry about all the horrible crap going on - but it never changed anything.  So instead, I've learned to
just stay informed and trust God to do what is right because humans are flawed and will always disappoint.

Anne,
God gave the earth to us (mankind) as dominion to justly take care of his Creation, we cannot just sit back and say God will sort all this crap out...each one of us must do what we can where we can...Cynthia McKinney and the "free gaza" movement is a prime example of this...she's not afraid to stand up to tyranny and to right the wrongs done by her own people

I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Quote from: nonameas far as McKinney goes, that is the image I'd like to see of "the great America"...walk the talk
she has just through her actions shown how morally deprived the Israelis are and anyone who supports them

Yes, exactly.  That is the city on a hill.  A light that cannot be hid.  Lifted up like Christ, an innocent man, on a cross, convicting those who see it.


Luke 23:47
Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.

Quote from: chuckt on July 16, 2009, 03:28:41 PM
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Amen, ChuckT

Quote from: martincisneros on June 28, 2009, 02:08:51 AM
Well, that's something I didn't know.  Michael Jackson had Synesthesia:

http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975 (http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975)

Hadn't listened to any of his stuff since the early 80s, unless some stuff he did with Paul McCartney was later.  Had I known he was a Synesthete, I'd of paid more attention over the years.

hmm...sounds like I have the number form synesthesia. Ive always wondered why numbers popped in my head like that haha

I wonder what form micheal jackson had...i cant find any articles on it

Quote from: NinjaWizards777 on July 27, 2009, 04:59:25 AM

Quote from: martincisneros on June 28, 2009, 02:08:51 AM
Well, that's something I didn't know.  Michael Jackson had Synesthesia:

http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975 (http://omg.yahoo.com/videos/performers-jackson-was-one-of-a-kind/7975)

Hadn't listened to any of his stuff since the early 80s, unless some stuff he did with Paul McCartney was later.  Had I known he was a Synesthete, I'd of paid more attention over the years.

I wonder what form micheal jackson had...i cant find any articles on it

In the video the guy who worked with Michael said that music and sounds had colors and shapes to him. I assumed Martin picked up on that as a form of synesthesia.

I have "just now" listened for the "first time" the song called EARTH
SONG.........I noticed there were many variations of it, some you
could understand the words and some not.

But the reason I went to it was because I heard his "daddy" say
on t. v. the other night "that the EARTH SONG was his favorite."

I wonder if we could not pray for the elder Mr. Jackson.

Thank you.