I was looking up the interlinear of John 17:12, when the Lord said (in prayer) He hadn't lost any the Father gave Him, except Judas who was "lost" - the description of the word "apollumi" does as we know include "utterly lost / utterly destroyed" which could seem to imply more than earthly ruin.. And thus be used - and probably is - to refute UR/CU..
https://biblehub.com/greek/622.htm
But then I remembered how the Lord said He came to save that which is lost. So I looked it up to see if lost was "apollumi" or some other word, but no! It IS apollumi - utterly destroyed.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/18-11.htm - word #622
So! "utterly destroyed" (being the most severe usage of the word?) apparently will be saved out of that ruin/utter destruction.. for we know He said He will draw/drag "all". (Jn.12:32)
And we all are utterly destroyed without Him and most definitely do need to be "born again".
:iagree:
The Greek word "appolumi" has three basic meanings: "lose, perish, or destroy." See Strong's Concordance G622. Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate. Here are a few examples:
LOSE/LOST from "appolumi"
–
The salt in Matt. 5:13, "lost" ( appolumi) its flavour.
The "lost"( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was "found" (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, "...was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found."
PERISH from "appolumi" – The Apostles were afraid they would "perish" (appolumi) in the sea (Matt. 8:25).
DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from "appolumi" –
In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to "destroy" ( appolumi) Him.
Luke 9:56 (KJV) For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi–destroy, lose, perish) men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
John 2:19 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi–destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Joh 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.
Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough, three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction. Being "destroyed" is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.
Quote from: joeteekay on November 24, 2019, 04:14:27 AM
The Greek word “appolumi” has three basic meanings: “lose, perish, or destroy.” See Strong’s Concordance G622. Context can tell which of these three is most appropriate. Here are a few examples:
LOSE/LOST from “appolumi“
–
The salt in Matt. 5:13, “lost” ( appolumi) its flavour.
The “lost”( appolumi) sheep in the wilderness that wandered from the 99 sheep was “found” (Luke 15:6). The prodigal Son of Luke 16:24, “…was dead, and is alive again; he was lost ( appolumi) and is found.”
PERISH from “appolumi” – The Apostles were afraid they would “perish” (appolumi) in the sea (Matt. 8:25).
DESTROY/DESTRUCTION from “appolumi” –
In Matt. 2:13 Joseph is warned to take Jesus to Egypt, because Herod wanted to “destroy” ( appolumi) Him.
Luke 9:56 (KJV) For the Son of man is not come to destroy (Gk: appolumi–destroy, lose, perish) men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
John 2:19 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy (Gk: appolumi–destroy, lose, perish) this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Joh 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.
Later they did destroy Jesus Christ and sure enough, three days later God raised (saved) Jesus from that destruction. Being “destroyed” is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures.
Amen! :thumbsup:
Being “destroyed” is not permanent. Destroyed, perish and lost are virtually synonymous in the Scriptures. :banana: :HeartThrob: