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I don't recall which thread it was on that Molly requested that I go to the home page and have a listen to Gary's message on the lightning of God.  I have just finished and thought I'd start a new thread on his topic and begin with a few personal observations.

Since my introduction to Tent, I have been able to have the pleasure of identifying myself with the UR principles that have been projected on this board.  What has surprised me to some degree, however, is that the majority of others who also agree with this same principle, have come into it from a very different approach than I did.  I am not a literalist . . .I believe there is a place for the literal things written, I just am not one who emphasizes the applications of literal things written for them then, to my spiritual walk today. 

I am a dimensionalist .  . . Whether or not there is a movement out there that carries the same name, I have no idea.  But I see things in dimensions.  I have had many a discussion on this forum clarifying and at times, defending the "idea" that the literal things written have an invisible meaning beneath that comes by revelation from the Father . . . through our invisible relationship of intimacy with the Son.  I call that, the Peter experience.

I have never listened to any of Gary's messages before now.  And also, until now, I had no idea where the home page was.  When I want to find this forum on a different computer, I simply type in "tentmaker forum" in the search window and it's the first option that comes up.  But today, as I'm listening to this message Gary did on lightning, if there was ever any question others had about my stand on being dimensional . . . this message by Gary should clear it up.  The man, don't know if he calls himself one or not beings I just now made the word up . . .but the man is a dimensionalist as well.

The message on lightning that was coming out of his heart was about as dimensional as it gets.  What a wonderful and profoundly rich message it is.

So . .what are my thoughts on the message over all?  I jotted down some of the really cool stuff that he shared that really struck a chord.  Oh, by the way . .for those who smirk at such things, we get our principle of using natural happenings and spiritually identifying with them from passages like, Romans 1:20 . . .and Hebrews 10:1 starts the message off by saying all of the activities the priests were instructed to do were actually patterns and shadows . .they were not the source or origin of the substance, they were a shadow of the substance.  Which is to say they are only to be adhered to "until" the substance manifested . . . which of course is Christ.

Hebews 8:5 . . 9:23 and Colossians 2 I'll go ahead and post . .as it sums it all up . . .

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:  17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.  18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,  19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

If the literal things are simply shadows . . .then why adhere yourself to the shadows and not the substance???

Okay . . .that's just the intro to the idea of pursuing the spiritual pictures that lie beneath the natural realm. 

The lightning then . . .listing the natural qualities and activities that cause it are . . .

When clouds become "turbulant" . . .we talked earlier on other threads about stirring the waters . . .there is the exact same pattern here in producing lightning.  It doesn't just take a cloud all light and fluffy drifting slowly over our lives . .but it takes a turbulant cloud . ..what causes the turbulance?  The confrontation of a low pressure front and a high pressure front . .when they collide, it can be violent.  When there is a clashing of thoughts, principles, doctrines, philosphies that transpires within us, it creates turbulence in our mind . . .an unrest in our nature . . .

Gotta go for a sec . . .I'll pick up on this later . . .feel free to comment as the spirit moves you.

 :thumbsup: continue...

Okay, Gary shared when clouds become turbulant, ice crystals within the clouds bounce off each other, causing a release of electrons, both positive and negative.  The positive electrons then elevate up into the upper atmosphere, while the negative electrons drop out of the cloud and are pulled to the earth.  For me, this is kind of like the dividing of soul and spirit.  Soulish things (carnal) descend while spirit things ascend.

He said the negative electrons don't like the separation and need to find a way to release.  This really speaks much to me about my carnal nature in how it does not like the inability to be in control of my spirit nature.  But yet I'm told by 2 Corinthians 10 that I'm to "take captive" my thoughts that are not godly . . .there is a separation within me that creates a storm . . .which results in lighting . .and thunder . . .the lightning burns the carnality . .the thunder is me complaining about the process of the lightning.  Actually, I'm sure it's deeper than just me complaining . .but for now, I'll leave it in.

He said that even though the negative electrons often descend to the earth . .they also can transfer from cloud to cloud.  When he stated that, the first thing that dropped in my mind was . . .the two laws that we're to live by.  Love the Lord thy God (vertical relationship) and love thy neighbor (horizontal) which is how the electrons work.  The positive elevate up, the negative transfer across . . . just an interesting parallel I thought.

And when these electrons move, it can't be seen . .it's invisible to us.  If we had microscopic vision, we could see these things, but with our "natural" eyesight, these things are happening right in front of us without our awareness.  Just as spiritual things are happening around us all of the time, but we just can't see that things are happening.  I still think that's why we're called to walk in the spirit so that not only can we see spiritual things happening, but we can facilitate them.  We can bring change to the natural by releasing and binding in the spiritual . . .

Then, for those electrons that descend to the ground . . .an awesome thing happens . . .rising from the surface of the earth are what they call purple streamers . . .these are positive electrons that are elevating in the path of the negative electrons descending . . .incidentally, the negative electrons are descending in a stairstep pattern.  They zigzag downward.  And when they get about a hundred yards from the surface of the earth, they connect with the purple streamers and BAM lightning manifests.  

Incidentally, purple is the color for royalty . .like . . .kings . .those who have authority over kingdoms . . .Gary made it very clear . . .they are us.  Revelation states that we "are" kings and priests.  Doesn't matter what you "feel" like . . .or what you "think" you are . . .it ain't about you and what you think or feel.  It's about Christ and what he's declared over you.

Lightning produces heat of 45,000 degrees . .it's hotter than the surface of the sun.  When it strikes, it produces ozone into the atmosphere, the very element that protects the earth from outside forces and objects.  Ever hear of the ozone layer?  Many say that there's a hole in it and man is destroying the earth . . .but lightning replaces the very ozone that man "thinks" man is destroying.  

Lightning also produces nitrates that fertilize the soil . . .you may want to reread the parable of the 4 soils again and (God help us) the wheat and tares parable just after that and reidentify where we fit in with all of this.  The lightning regenerates the ground . . . we need lightning . . I need lightning in me.  

It also enables the dead forests to be purged to make way for new growth.  How much more obvious does this need to be for us?  How many of us have forests within our natures that has more deadwood than living trees?  In fact . .oddly enough (side note here) I was watching a nature channel or something similar just last night and i think it was in Brazil . . .not sure, but it was in a dense jungle and they taped a huge dead tree . . .I mean like . . .HUGE  . .not like your standard oak tree . .but like the redwood forest kind of tree . . .and they set up a special speed controlled camera that captured the growth over time . .it was so cool to watch . .but as soon as the sun hit the forest floor . . .life sprung up and immediately, plants and trees began competing against each other for their place in the chain of life.  In 4 years time, the big hole in the canopy overhead that the huge tree made as it fell . .was completely filled in with the new growth.  The forest heals itself in the light of the sun . . . that's just to cool!!!

I think every man needs to have the lightning of heaven strike their dead forests so that the consuming fire of God can sweep through our very nature and even though it may stink of death and decay, and even though it may leave a scorched and ugly terrain in us . . .joy still comes in the morning.  The fire is for my rebirth of "new" life . .not to retain the old.

We are called to live in the realm of the lightning.  Remember . . it's invisible.  You can't see the negative electrons hooking up with the purple streamers with the natural naked eye.  You have to cross through the threshold of faith . . . which is beyond the realm of natural reasoning.

Then Gary takes it into the tabernacle . . . there is a combination of elements that must come together before entering into the holy of holies.  One thing the priest brought with him was the blood of the sacrificial lamb . .because life is in the blood.  And Jesus willingly let death come to his flesh, so the life in him could be carried into the temple (which is us) and be sprinkled on the mercy seat. . .which is where his Spirit resides . . in us.

The second thing that combined with the blood . . .was the incense.  The insense was ground down into a course granual substance and then that was sprinkled on the existing flame before the veil.  With the combination of the blood of the lamb . .which is Christ . . and the ground up incense  . .which is every one of us . .we all must go through a grinding process for the purpose of passing through the veil and entering into the place of rest . .the person of rest.

Here's the cool thing though . . .the ground up incense becomes the praise and worship of the people when it's mingled with the fire.  In my brokenness before the Lord, my pain is transformed into praise and when that happens, my form is changed from a solid into a gas . . .from a carnal being into a spirit being . . .and THEN I can pass through the veil of blindness and separation and become one with the atmosphere of the Holy of Holies.  I become God's breath to others . . .how cool is that.

The reason Gary jumps to the vision of the tabernacle is because whenever God's presence manifested .  .  . there were many lightnings and thunderings.  And the description given by the authors who witnessed such things would explain it as . . .lightning.  When John was "taken up" and revelation was given to him . . .he saw much worship (altar of incense) and much lighting and thundering . .in fact, he heard the 7 thunders speak but was instructed not to write down what they said.

Some things can not be read . . .they must be felt.

The last thing Gary said and I really liked . . .God is calling us to BE "comfortable" in the lightning realm.  When it's released, nothing on earth can stand in it's way.  When you release this light within you . . .no naysayer or ruler of the night will be able to withstand the glory flowing from you.  

It's your choice guys . . .you want to embrace the physical things, that's just fine . . .but it's in the spirit where lightning is made . . .I want to be the lightning bolt of God that breaks the barriers of sound . . .natural things can only measure so much . .but when you get into the spirit, you can break the barriers that keep the natural things natural.

That last paragraph was mine . . .it's a freebie.

Blessings.

I am going to copy these two posts I just did andpaste them into a couple other forums I've visited.  I'm also going to paste it into a word document and hand it around to others . . .and it's more than likely going to be the message for tomorrow in church . . .

I want to encourage all who read this to do the same . . . there's more going on here than meets the eye . . . be a part of what God wants to do here and spread this around . . .let's see where it takes us!!

  Hi Nate ,
  I have always loved  Job for this reason  :thumbsup:

and the descriptions are amazing  , I remember being so grateful for every drop !  Thanking God and praising Him for this  mercy and Storm
   true  fact I was lifted out of the natural realm and  for that glorious moment was in the SPIRIT  and  never wanted to  leave!!! the POWERFUL GOD IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! to just be connected so fully and  completely for that moment  where  nothing  ever  remotely   earthly  ever   touches
   this !




One of the most  awaking times ever was  during THE  Storm of my  existance 


years ago I had this  on Kingdom Talk , but  the site was  taken down as the owner Bill Gorton  passed  on .
and have only shared this with very  few people  , not wanting  any one to think they are not special in Gods eyes , but it was  what it took  to awaken me ..........  may God  give others this lighting and STORM    as well





  and And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.


Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?


Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?


Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.


Job 38:19 Where [is] the way [where] light dwelleth? and [as for] darkness, where [is] the place thereof,


Job 38:20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths [to] the house thereof?


Job 38:21 Knowest thou [it], because thou wast then born? or [because] the number of thy days [is] great?


Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,


Job 38:23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, [which] scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

Job 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

Job 38:26 To cause it to rain on the earth, [where] no man [is; on] the wilderness, wherein [there is] no man;


Job 38:27 To satisfy the desolate and waste [ground]; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?


Job 38:28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

Job 38:29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?  

Job 38:30 The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?


Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?


Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?


Job 38:34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?


Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we [are]?


Job 38:36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?


Job 38:37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

Job 38:38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

  there is alot more ps like my new advatar   had it  for a few days , before this even ! I am always amazed at God and  am in awe of Him   always    thanks for sharing this Nate , I have dial up and cannot watch them      Vids :mshock: :(

   :HeartThrob:

 
  one of my most favortite  chapters


At this also my heart trembleth, and is moved out of his place.


Job 37:2 Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound [that] goeth out of his mouth.


Job 37:3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.


Job 37:4 After it a voice roareth: he thundereth with the voice of his excellency; and he will not stay them when his voice is heard.


Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.


Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou [on] the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.


Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.


Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.


Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.


Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.  


Job 37:11 Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:

Job 37:12 And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.  


Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.  

Job 37:14 Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.
Job 37:15 Dost thou know when God disposed them, and caused the light of his cloud to shine?


Job 37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?

Job 37:17 How thy garments [are] warm, when he quieteth the earth by the south [wind]?


Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, [which is] strong, [and] as a molten looking glass?


Job 37:19 Teach us what we shall say unto him; [for] we cannot order [our speech] by reason of darkness.


Job 37:20 Shall it be told him that I speak? if a man speak, surely he shall be swallowed up.


Job 37:21 And now [men] see not the bright light which [is] in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them.  

Job 37:22 Fair weather cometh out of the north: with God [is] terrible majesty.


Job 37:23 [Touching] the Almighty, we cannot find him out: [he is] excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.

Job 37:24 Men do therefore fear him: he respecteth not any [that are] wise of heart.

Praise God!  I knew you would love that video, Nathan. :Sparkletooth:


Even though I am a literalist--I have felt the lightning talked about here--very rarely--I described it to my friends as though you stuck your finger in a light socket--they all think I'm nuts anyway lol--I didn't know what it was, but I could see its power.  I was all obsessed with worldly power, once, --I think He wanted to show me real power, and--oh my--there is no comparison.

I really want to explore this topic  because this is where the Spirit has been leading me, too, but, as you said from the literal point of view--so I will just continue doing my thing--word definitions and all--because that's what works for me.

The LORD told Moses to make the tabernacle exactly to His specifications.


8And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

9According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

--Ex 25


That color purple you mentioned, the color of kings, is one of the colors in the gate to tabernacle.  Every part of the tabernacle has meaning for us.  Moses did what he was told, building it exactly according to the plan,  with a good result--


Exodus 40:34
Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

Quote from: Molly on January 25, 2009, 04:45:46 AM
Praise God!  I knew you would love that video, Nathan. :Sparkletooth:


Even though I am a literalist--I have felt the lightning talked about here--very rarely--I described it to my friends as though you stuck your finger in a light socket--they all think I'm nuts anyway lol--I didn't know what it was, but I could see its power.  I was all obsessed with worldly power, once, --I think He wanted to show me real power, and--oh my--there is no comparison.

I really want to explore this topic  because this is where the Spirit has been leading me, too, but, as you said from the literal point of view--so I will just continue doing my thing--word definitions and all--because that's what works for me.

The LORD told Moses to make the tabernacle exactly to His specifications.


8And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

9According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

--Ex 25


That color purple you mentioned, the color of kings, is one of the colors in the gate to tabernacle.  Every part of the tabernacle has meaning for us.  Moses did what he was told, building it exactly according to the plan,  with a good result--


Exodus 40:34
Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

Heh, heh . . .Molly . . .you may see yourself as a literalist . .and there may be a balance of that in you . . .but at the same time . .the stuff you post seems to come across as taking Scripture and seeing it's deeper meaning . . .at least that's how you're coming across to me.

To me, a literalist is one who sees everything as one dimension . . .and you're just not coming across that way at all. You seem to see deeper things . . .you just have a knack of displaying relevant passages.  There's nothing wrong with seeing things literally . . .I see them to . . .the struggle comes when one is unwilling to consider there is a different and more effective approach.

Gary says the Bible is full of lightning--but it's hidden by the KJ translators.  They are using terms that are different from lightning, even though the Greek and Hebrew words mean lightning.  He invited us to search our Bibles for the hundreds of references to the lightning.


Two references he gave--

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

--Heb 1:3 [NIV]



"radiance"

G541
ἀπαύγασμα
apaugasma
ap-ow'-gas-mah
From a compound of G575 and G826; an off flash, that is, effulgence: - brightness.

From--

G827
αὐγή
augē
owg-ay'
Of uncertain derivation; a ray of light, that is, (by implication) radiance, dawn: - break of day.


"apo" means off--so he is literally throwing off rays of light.



And the other verse--

29As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning.

Luke 9:29

"a flash of lightning"

G1823
ἐξαστράπτω
exastraptō
ex-as-trap'-to
From G1537 and G797; to lighten forth, that is, (figuratively) to be radiant (of very white garments): - glistening.


G797
ἀστράπτω
astraptō
as-trap'-to
Probably from G792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.


Again, flashes of lightning are coming off his body as he prays.




Gary said--

You are going to go into the midst of fire, ..and it's been written in our Bible all this time but it's been hidden.

 

  well  GEE Molly and Nate thanks  :mblush: for all your kindness and concideration  and   for this  place making me feel so welcome and apart of   Gods plan

  may  you always be blessed  :HeartThrob:

There was lightning and thundering at the physical mountain where Moses received the law . .it was so intimidating that men literally were afraid to talk to God.  There was such a clashing between spirit and flesh that flesh could not go near it at all without dying.

Spiritually, we've not come to a mountain that can't be touched . .but we've come to mount Zion . . .we can touch it . .but yet . . the carnality in me can't . . .there is a death within me as I approach this wonderful place of established authority.  And there is still lightnings and thunderings continuing as our carnality clashes with the spirit of truth . . .

Quote from: rosered on January 25, 2009, 05:25:24 AM


  well  GEE Molly and Nate thanks  :mblush: for all your kindness and concideration  and   for this  place making me feel so welcome and apart of   Gods plan

  may  you always be blessed  :HeartThrob:

I added some of the other things that Gary said for you, Rose, because you said you didn't have video.

Although the book of Job is still way over my head, I did think of this when I read your post about the storm and lightning--because the storm presses the oil out of us--what Gary calls negative and positive charges--to create the light--


2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

--James 1


"patience"
G5281
ὑπομονή
hupomonē
hoop-om-on-ay'
From G5278; cheerful (or hopeful) endurance, constancy: - enduring, patience, patient continuance (waiting).


PS I just noticed your avatar. :mshock:

You were waiting for this thread, too!

QuotePS I just noticed your avatar.

You were waiting for this thread, too!

  No I had no Idea Molly  thanks

   :icon_flower:

Quote from: Nathan on January 25, 2009, 05:30:16 AM
There was lightning and thundering at the physical mountain where Moses received the law . .it was so intimidating that men literally were afraid to talk to God.  There was such a clashing between spirit and flesh that flesh could not go near it at all without dying.

Spiritually, we've not come to a mountain that can't be touched . .but we've come to mount Zion . . .we can touch it . .but yet . . the carnality in me can't . . .there is a death within me as I approach this wonderful place of established authority.  And there is still lightnings and thunderings continuing as our carnality clashes with the spirit of truth . . .

"Spiritually, we've not come to a mountain that can't be touched . .but we've come to mount Zion "

Yes, because of Jesus!  All because of Jesus!


22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

--Heb 12

I googled lightning to see what their explanation was on it . . .pretty similar . . .


Lightning is a discharge of atmospheric electricity which is triggered by a buildup of differing charges within a cloud. The result is a sudden release of electricity which causes a distinctive bright flare, followed by a thunderclap. Lightning is most common around the equatorial regions of the world, although it can potentially strike anywhere, and it appears in a variety of guises, depending on atmospheric conditions.

There are several competing theories to explain why differing electrical charges appear in clouds, although scientists suspect that it may be related to the presence of ice crystals in the cloud. Typically, the bottom of a cloud become negatively charged, and it sends out what is known as a "leader" which seeks a positive charge, either in another cloud or on the earth. As the leader approaches an area which is positively charged, a positively charged streamer emerges, meeting the leader, sealing the connection, and generating a bolt of lightning.

After the lightning travels to the ground or another cloud, it may strike again several times within a fraction of a second. These re-strikes are so fast that people cannot register them with the naked eye; instead, they appear as a single strike. The lightning moves so quickly that it superheats the surrounding air, causing a sudden rapid expansion which creates a shockwave. Shockwaves are responsible for thunder; because thunder is so closely associated with lightning, some people attempt to judge the distance of a storm by counting the time which elapses between a lightning strike and a thunderclap.

Most lightning travels from cloud to cloud, or from a cloud to the ground. In rare circumstances, however, the charges will be reversed, and lightening will emanate from the ground. This is known as "positive lightning," and it is rare and extremely dangerous. Positive lightning is often triggered by human activities, such as the liftoff of a rocket or the detonation of a nuclear device.

Many people associate classically jagged streaks in the sky with lightning, but lightning can also appear in bursts known as bead lightning, or it can reflect from the clouds, making sheet lightning. Some people may also be familiar with ball lightning, an unusual manifestation of lightning which is rarely observed.

And of course, I had to look up what ball-lightning was as well . . .

Ball lightning is an extremely rare and poorly understood atmospheric phenomenon that accompanies electrical storms. It manifests as a glowing ball about the size of a basketball, but sometimes as small as a golf ball or as large as a small car. It hovers in the air somewhere between a few seconds and a couple minutes, with an average of 25 seconds, then disappears either silently or with a loud bang. Some scientists have studied ball lightning for upwards of 20 years and are still uncertain that it actually exists.

The phenomenon of ball lightning is so infrequent that not a single scientifically confirmed video of it even exists, though most scientists accept its existence because reports of it extend all the way back to Ancient Greece. Also supportive is that a majority of the reports that we do have tell a rather consistent tale, instead of being all over the place as we would expect if ball lightning were merely a misidentification of more common atmospheric phenomena. When details vary too widely from the most common reports, it is likely a misidentification, wishful thinking, or fraud. It is plausible that so-called ball lightning is merely an positive afterimage left on the eye in the wake of a lightning flash.

A newspaper in 1960 conducted an informal poll and found that 5% of respondents claimed to have witnessed ball lightning, though the true figure is probably much lower. If 5% of people truly witnessed ball lightning, there would be video footage of it. Nevertheless, reports continue to come in, and ball lightning is sometimes regarded as a UFO - an unidentified flying object - meaning something in the sky which cannot be readily identified.

The current prevailing physical theory for ball lightning is the atmospheric maser theory. Large clouds of charged water molecules are put into an excited state by electrical activity, briefly causing light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation, or the laser effect. However, before this can be confirmed as the true cause of ball lightning, it must be replicated in a laboratory first, which has not yet occurred. There may come a day where we can be sure that ball lightning is a real phenomenon, but unfortunately for the enthusiasts, that day is not here yet

Quote from: rosered on January 25, 2009, 05:43:00 AM

QuotePS I just noticed your avatar.

You were waiting for this thread, too!

  No I had no Idea Molly  thanks

   :icon_flower:

well, let me say, then, it's very timely!

Quote from: Molly on January 25, 2009, 05:56:43 AM

Quote from: rosered on January 25, 2009, 05:43:00 AM

QuotePS I just noticed your avatar.

You were waiting for this thread, too!

  No I had no Idea Molly  thanks

   :icon_flower:

well, let me say, then, it's very timely!

  Thanks  Moll
  the Sons of fresh oil .. :HeartThrob:   
Psalm 92:10  " But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil"
Zechariah 4
The Golden Lampstand and Olive Trees
1Then the angel who was speaking with me returned and roused me, as a man who is awakened from his sleep.
2He said to me, "What do you see?" And I said, "I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it,

and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it;   


3also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side."

4Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, "What are these, my lord?"

5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."

6Then he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts.

7'What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"'"

8Also the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

9"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, and his hands will finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.

10"For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel--these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth."

11Then I said to him, "What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?"

12And I answered the second time and said to him, "What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?"

13So he answered me, saying, ''Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."

14Then he said, "These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth."

12 They will come and shout for joy on the heights of Zion;
       they will rejoice in the bounty of the LORD—
       the grain, the new wine and the oil,
       the young of the flocks and herds.
       They will be like a well-watered garden,
       and they will sorrow no more.

--Jer 31

Lyrics to "Worshipping you" by Deluge (you can listen on youtube)



Our beloved Father, please come down and meet us
We are waiting for Your touch
Open up the heavens, shower down your presence
We respond to Your great love

We won't be satisfied with anything ordinary,
We won't be satisfied at all

Open up the sky, fall down like rain
We don't want blessings, We want You
Open up the sky, fall down like fire
We don't want anything but You

Our beloved Jesus, we just wanna see You
In the glory of Your light.
Earthly things don't matter, They just fade and shatter
When we're touched by love divine.

We won't be satisfied with anything ordinary
We won't be satisfied at all

Open up the sky, fall down like rain
We don't want blessings, we want You
Open up the sky, fall down like fire
We don't want anything but You

Here we go, let's go to the throne
The place that we belong, right into His arms

25 He [the little horn] will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints ...




9 "As I looked,
       "thrones were set in place,
       and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
       His clothing was as white as snow;
       the hair of his head was white like wool.
       His throne was flaming with fire,
       and its wheels were all ablaze.

10 A river of fire was flowing,
       coming out from before him.
       Thousands upon thousands attended him;
       ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
       The court was seated,
       and the books were opened.

11 "Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12 (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)

--Daniel 7



[his throne was like] "the fiery" flame

H5135
נוּר
nûr
noor
(Chaldee); from an unused root (corresponding to that of H5216) meaning to shine; fire: - fiery, fire.


H5216
נרה    נר    ניר    נר    ניר
nîyr nir  nêyr  nêr  nêrâh
neer, neer, nare, nare, nay-raw'
From a primitive root (see H5214 and H5135) properly meaning to glisten; a lamp (that is, the burner) or light (literally or figuratively): - candle, lamp, light.








[his throne was like the fiery]  "flame"

H7631
שׂביב
śebîyb
seb-eeb'
(Chaldee); corresponding to H7632: - flame.

H7632
שׁביב
shâbîyb
shaw-beeb'
From the same as H7616; flame (as split into tongues): - spar



[And his wheels as] "burning" [fire]

H1815
דּלק
delaq
del-ak'
(Chaldee); corresponding to H1814: - burn.

H1814
דּלק
dâlaq
daw-lak'
A primitive root; to flame (literally or figuratively): - burning, chase, inflame, kindle, persecute (-or), pursue hotly.


[and his wheels as burning] "fire"

H5135
נוּר
nûr
noor
(Chaldee); from an unused root (corresponding to that of H5216) meaning to shine; fire: - fiery, fire.


H5216
נרה    נר    ניר    נר    ניר
nîyr nir  nêyr  nêr  nêrâh
neer, neer, nare, nare, nay-raw'
From a primitive root (see H5214 and H5135) properly meaning to glisten; a lamp (that is, the burner) or light (literally or figuratively): - candle, lamp, light.



"A river" [of fire issued and came forth before him]

H5103
נהר
nehar
neh-har'
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to H5102; a river, especially the Euphrates: - river, stream.

H5102
נהר
nâhar
naw-har'
A primitive root; to sparkle, that is, (figuratively) be cheerful; hence (from the sheen of a running stream) to flow, that is, (figuratively) assemble: - flow (together), be lightened.






Thousands upon thousands "ministered" unto him;

H8120
שׁמשׁ
shemash
shem-ash'
(Chaldee); corresponding to the root of H8121 through the idea of activity implied in daylight; to serve: - minister.


H8121
שׁמשׁ
shemesh
sheh'-mesh
From an unused root meaning to be brilliant; the sun; by implication the east; figuratively a ray, that is, (architecturally) a notched battlement: -  + east side (-ward), sun ([rising]), + west (-ward), window. See also H1053.

River of fire flowing out from the throne . . . I like that!!!  That's another connecting piece to the river of the garden and the river in Revelation . . .lakes often become lakes by rivers feeding into them . . .lake of fire comes from the river of fire . . . .hmmm . . .

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [breath(blast)] of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


"the brightness" [of his coming]

G2015
ἐπιφάνεια
epiphaneia
ep-if-an'-i-ah
From G2016; a manifestation, that is, (specifically) the advent of Christ (past or future): - appearing, brightness.



G2016
ἐπιφανής
epiphanēs
ep-if-an-ace'
From G2014; conspicuous, that is, (figuratively) memorable: - notable.



G2014
ἐπιφαίνω
epiphainō
ep-ee-fah'ee-no
From G1909 and G5316; to shine upon, that is, become (literally) visible or (figuratively) known: - appear, give light.


G5316
φαίνω
phainō
fah'ee-no
Prolongation for the base of G5457; to lighten (shine), that is, show (transitive or intransitive, literal or figurative): - appear, seem, be seen, shine, X think.


G5457
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.


English word--epiphany





9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

--2 Thess 3

12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
--Heb 4

"sharper" [than any twoedged sword]
G5114
τομώτερος
tomōteros
tom-o'-ter-os
Compound of a derivative of the primary word τέμνω temnō (to cut; more comprehensive or decisive than G2875, as if by a single stroke; whereas that implies repeated blows, like hacking); more keen: - sharper.



"piercing"


G1338
διΐκνέομαι
diikneomai
dee-ik-neh'-om-ahee
From G1223 and the base of G2425; to reach through, that is, penetrate: - pierce.



It's a laser. :mshock:



Laser (light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation) surgery uses an intensely hot, precisely focused beam of light to remove or vaporize tissue and control bleeding in a wide variety of non-invasive and minimally invasive procedures.

Purpose

Laser surgery is used to:


Cut or destroy tissue that is abnormal or diseased without harming healthy, normal tissue


Shrink or destroy tumors and lesions


Cauterize (seal) blood vessels to prevent excessive bleeding.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;


[into his marvellous] "light"


G5457
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.




English--phosphorous

1. Chemistry. a solid, nonmetallic element existing in at least three allotropic forms, one that is yellow, poisonous, flammable, and luminous in the dark, one that is red, less poisonous, and less flammable, and another that is black, insoluble in most solvents, and the least flammable. The element is used in forming smoke screens, its compounds are used in matches and phosphate fertilizers, and it is a necessary constituent of plant and animal life in bones, nerves, and embryos. Symbol: P; atomic weight: 30.974; atomic number: 15; specific gravity: (yellow) 1.82 at 20°C, (red) 2.20 at 20°C, (black) 2.25–2.69 at 20°C.
2. any phosphorescent substance.
3. phosphor. 

1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

--Mat 17


[he was] "transfigured" [before them]

G3339
μεταμορφόω
metamorphoō
met-am-or-fo'-o
From G3326 and G3445; to transform (literally or figuratively "metamorphose"): - change, transfigure, transform.



[his face did] "shine" [as the sun]

G2989
λάμπω
lampō
lam'-po
A primary verb; to beam, that is, radiate brilliancy (literally or figuratively): - give light, shine.



[white as the] "light"

G5457
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.



18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

--2 Cor 3



[but we all..]"are changed" [into the same image]

G3339
μεταμορφόω
metamorphoō
met-am-or-fo'-o
From G3326 and G3445; to transform (literally or figuratively "metamorphose"): - change, transfigure, transform.

Nathan, you wrote...

There was lightning and thundering at the physical mountain where Moses received the law . .it was so intimidating that men literally were afraid to talk to God.  There was such a clashing between spirit and flesh that flesh could not go near it at all without dying.

That got me thinking how it was not such a bad thing to die when approaching the mountain. We look at this as kind of a threatening curse when really it is a victorious proclamation.....approach God and watch all that is not of God's world, God's real home world to me is the real 'literal' world, die.

I wrote in the Spiritual/Natural thread the following but I think it fits here better......

Something has happened within me lately. I really feel as if we have come from the God, the Spiritual. I mean I really feel it. I think to myself that this is not my home (the physical), I'm a just a passing through. I 'see' myself kind of being in that realm and looking at my life here in this physical. What this does for me is it helps me to communicate to my neighbor. To say "Hey, we're close to going home, so close. Let's wipe the dust off of ourselves and start pulling up the tent stakes. This was a nice visit, not always, but it's time to call it a day and vamoose."

I can't really explain it but the spiritual seems more real to me. Like you said, Scripture is not a volume of words to argue over or even to swoon over, they are words from our real home, the spiritual, waking us up. We were there, we are there, we are going there.

I can't seem to nail what I really want to say.

Again, great stuff Nathan and I envy you in that you have 'church' to put forth these things. I too have a 'church' of sorts as we all do. Our friends, acquaintences, neighbors and such are our church but you know what I mean.

cp

I do and I don't bro.  I have a body of people that are receptive to the things I see from time to time.  It's literally taken us years to get to this point.  I've had many leave because of it . .I've had some treat it as an amusement more than a revelational experience . . .and all the while, I know and feel the cloud of the denomination over me and imagining the looks of apallment on their faces once they are aware that I am a heretic.

I would "love" to get out from under that and be able to do what I'm already doing, without the feeling that at any given moment, things could go south in an instant.  But like I'd mentioned before, I'm not released to go do my own thing so until then, I will continue being a denominational heretic and continue revelating and illuminating what I see and growing "with" the congregation as we all strive for the intimacy of relationship with God through the Son.

And I like your explanation of how things are kind of the opposite in you as to what you "used" to think and what you think now.  For me, now, when I read passages that speak of his ways not being my ways and his thoughts not being my thoughts . . .I read them now as saying . .his ways are opposite of my ways . .and his thoughts are the opposite of my thoughts.

Which makes the ark of Noah (rest) even more profound as the ark came to "rest" (that's a quote) on mount Ararat . . .which is the curse is reversed.  Which is now telling me that through Christ . . . my whole way of thinking "and" WHAT I think is all turned around . . .. the church wants me to change what's on the outside . . .how I talk, dress, act, tithe, pray, attend church . . . but Christ doesn't work from the outside in, he works from the inside out.  Once he reverses me from within, then all of those other things without will automatically fall into order.

I like what you posted here .  .we are not of this world . .. this realm is not our permanent place of living.  We are spirits that have a soul (personality) that live in this shell of a decaying body.  This body has been modified to live on this physical earth in this natural realm . . .but that's not my body's true form.  My true form is a spirit being.  Until my soul becomes married to my spirit . . .I will continue going through life as a single woman (spiritually speaking of course).  My mind is the womb that births spiritual offspring . .but without the Spirit seed, there is no birthing.

If you don't mind, I'm going to push the envelop a bit with this and say that when I choose to become intimate with fleshly and natural thinking and things, it may gratify me, but there is no life being conceived by it . . .much like when two women choose to be intimate with each other . . .they may gratify themselves, but neither of them will ever walk away impregnated with life in their womb.  That only happens when we enter into the original order as God intended . . .when I marry my spirit . . .when my mind "submits" to my spirit, then spirit life can be planted in the womb of my mind, of my nature, my personality . . .and new life births from that because that's what it was created to do .  . . to birth out that which was planted within.

8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

--Heb 11

Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2009, 06:29:57 PM
I do and I don't bro.  I have a body of people that are receptive to the things I see from time to time.  It's literally taken us years to get to this point.  I've had many leave because of it . .I've had some treat it as an amusement more than a revelational experience . . .and all the while, I know and feel the cloud of the denomination over me and imagining the looks of apallment on their faces once they are aware that I am a heretic.

I would "love" to get out from under that and be able to do what I'm already doing, without the feeling that at any given moment, things could go south in an instant.  But like I'd mentioned before, I'm not released to go do my own thing so until then, I will continue being a denominational heretic and continue revelating and illuminating what I see and growing "with" the congregation as we all strive for the intimacy of relationship with God through the Son.

And I like your explanation of how things are kind of the opposite in you as to what you "used" to think and what you think now.  For me, now, when I read passages that speak of his ways not being my ways and his thoughts not being my thoughts . . .I read them now as saying . .his ways are opposite of my ways . .and his thoughts are the opposite of my thoughts.

Which makes the ark of Noah (rest) even more profound as the ark came to "rest" (that's a quote) on mount Ararat . . .which is the curse is reversed.  Which is now telling me that through Christ . . . my whole way of thinking "and" WHAT I think is all turned around . . .. the church wants me to change what's on the outside . . .how I talk, dress, act, tithe, pray, attend church . . . but Christ doesn't work from the outside in, he works from the inside out.  Once he reverses me from within, then all of those other things without will automatically fall into order.

I like what you posted here .  .we are not of this world . .. this realm is not our permanent place of living.  We are spirits that have a soul (personality) that live in this shell of a decaying body.  This body has been modified to live on this physical earth in this natural realm . . .but that's not my body's true form.  My true form is a spirit being.  Until my soul becomes married to my spirit . . .I will continue going through life as a single woman (spiritually speaking of course).  My mind is the womb that births spiritual offspring . .but without the Spirit seed, there is no birthing.

If you don't mind, I'm going to push the envelop a bit with this and say that when I choose to become intimate with fleshly and natural thinking and things, it may gratify me, but there is no life being conceived by it . . .much like when two women choose to be intimate with each other . . .they may gratify themselves, but neither of them will ever walk away impregnated with life in their womb.  That only happens when we enter into the original order as God intended . . .when I marry my spirit . . .when my mind "submits" to my spirit, then spirit life can be planted in the womb of my mind, of my nature, my personality . . .and new life births from that because that's what it was created to do .  . . to birth out that which was planted within.

Man, Nathan, that is some good stuff. I know I keep saying that but you and your words resonate with me in a very good way. Where abouts is this church of yours? I hate to think you are right next door and I don't know it. I'm a WI man. You close? I'm going to be re-reading this stuff and Molly's stuff.

My only thought for now is that I too see us as primarily spirit beings because we come from a Spirit but we are physical creatures because of our physical make up and we are soulish beings because of our working minds. So what I am saying is that I don't discount too lightly that we are very physical and soulish but I really agree with how you talk of being a single woman seeking a husband. Man, that talk is good, keep it up Brother.

cp

1There was a man named Nicodemus who was a Pharisee and a Jewish leader. 2One night he went to Jesus and said, "Sir, we know that God has sent you to teach us. You could not work these miracles, unless God were with you."

    3Jesus replied, "I tell you for certain that you must be born from above before you can see God's kingdom!"

    4Nicodemus asked, "How can a grown man ever be born a second time?"

    5Jesus answered:

   I tell you for certain that before you can get into God's kingdom, you must be born not only by water, but by the Spirit. 6Humans give life to their children. Yet only God's Spirit can change you into a child of God. 7Don't be surprised when I say that you must be born from above. 8Only God's Spirit gives new life. The Spirit is like the wind that blows wherever it wants to. You can hear the wind, but you don't know where it comes from or where it is going.

    9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.

    10Jesus replied:

   How can you be a teacher of Israel and not know these things? 11I tell you for certain that we know what we are talking about because we have seen it ourselves. But none of you will accept what we say. 12If you don't believe when I talk to you about things on earth, how can you possibly believe if I talk to you about things in heaven?

--John 3

9And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

12And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

--Mark 1

Quote from: claypot on January 27, 2009, 07:41:35 PM

Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2009, 06:29:57 PM
I do and I don't bro.  I have a body of people that are receptive to the things I see from time to time.  It's literally taken us years to get to this point.  I've had many leave because of it . .I've had some treat it as an amusement more than a revelational experience . . .and all the while, I know and feel the cloud of the denomination over me and imagining the looks of apallment on their faces once they are aware that I am a heretic.

I would "love" to get out from under that and be able to do what I'm already doing, without the feeling that at any given moment, things could go south in an instant.  But like I'd mentioned before, I'm not released to go do my own thing so until then, I will continue being a denominational heretic and continue revelating and illuminating what I see and growing "with" the congregation as we all strive for the intimacy of relationship with God through the Son.

And I like your explanation of how things are kind of the opposite in you as to what you "used" to think and what you think now.  For me, now, when I read passages that speak of his ways not being my ways and his thoughts not being my thoughts . . .I read them now as saying . .his ways are opposite of my ways . .and his thoughts are the opposite of my thoughts.

Which makes the ark of Noah (rest) even more profound as the ark came to "rest" (that's a quote) on mount Ararat . . .which is the curse is reversed.  Which is now telling me that through Christ . . . my whole way of thinking "and" WHAT I think is all turned around . . .. the church wants me to change what's on the outside . . .how I talk, dress, act, tithe, pray, attend church . . . but Christ doesn't work from the outside in, he works from the inside out.  Once he reverses me from within, then all of those other things without will automatically fall into order.

I like what you posted here .  .we are not of this world . .. this realm is not our permanent place of living.  We are spirits that have a soul (personality) that live in this shell of a decaying body.  This body has been modified to live on this physical earth in this natural realm . . .but that's not my body's true form.  My true form is a spirit being.  Until my soul becomes married to my spirit . . .I will continue going through life as a single woman (spiritually speaking of course).  My mind is the womb that births spiritual offspring . .but without the Spirit seed, there is no birthing.

If you don't mind, I'm going to push the envelop a bit with this and say that when I choose to become intimate with fleshly and natural thinking and things, it may gratify me, but there is no life being conceived by it . . .much like when two women choose to be intimate with each other . . .they may gratify themselves, but neither of them will ever walk away impregnated with life in their womb.  That only happens when we enter into the original order as God intended . . .when I marry my spirit . . .when my mind "submits" to my spirit, then spirit life can be planted in the womb of my mind, of my nature, my personality . . .and new life births from that because that's what it was created to do .  . . to birth out that which was planted within.

Man, Nathan, that is some good stuff. I know I keep saying that but you and your words resonate with me in a very good way. Where abouts is this church of yours? I hate to think you are right next door and I don't know it. I'm a WI man. You close? I'm going to be re-reading this stuff and Molly's stuff.

My only thought for now is that I too see us as primarily spirit beings because we come from a Spirit but we are physical creatures because of our physical make up and we are soulish beings because of our working minds. So what I am saying is that I don't discount too lightly that we are very physical and soulish but I really agree with how you talk of being a single woman seeking a husband. Man, that talk is good, keep it up Brother.

cp

I'm in Iowa . . .just south of you . . .I work here in Cedar Rapids . . .I live in Anamosa . . .I do have a circle of like-minded people in Wisconsin . .they are somewhat scattered around up there and I've only met a half dozen or so of them in person in a trip to Tennessee a couple years back . .we converse by email loop.

I try to mosey up to Wisconsin at least once a year as we have 4 year old twin boys and our favorite getaway is at the Wilderness Resort waterpark in the Dels.  And I must confess . . the soul marrying spirit thing came originally from a post on Heart to Heart . . .don't remember who actually said it, but like you . . . it really resonated in me as well . .and now it's become a part of me also . . .truth is so cool when it actually does birth into our understanding.  It only increases the fear of the Lord in me . . . I love it!!!

Good stuff in my opinion, Molly. I'm reading and re-reading your stuff.

cp

Quote from: Nathanthe soul marrying spirit thing came originally from a post on Heart to Heart . . .don't remember who actually said it, but like you . . . it really resonated in me as well . .and now it's become a part of me also . . .truth is so cool when it actually does birth into our understanding.

Is it that the soul marries His Spirit?  Isn't the soul Eve--the bride?

Adam was created out of clay outside of the garden--the natural first--but then he received the breath of God and was placed in the garden of God.  If we inherit a sin nature from Adam, couldn't we also inherit a memory of the Spirit nature of Adam as well?  walking and talking with God in the cool of the garden?

8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

--Gen 3


"in the cool" [of the day]

H7307
רוּח
rûach
roo'-akh
From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).


But they are no longer reconciled to him, so they hide.

Jesus told the woman at the well that although she had been with many men, she had no husband.

Doesn't the soul long for her husband?

But, we see that it is only the virgin who gives birth, thus, Jesus work on the cross was the cleansing of sin done by the High Priest in the holy place.

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

--Rev 14


These 144,000 are virgins who were not defiled with women.  Since 'virgin' is a young girl, it is saying they are girls who have not been defiled with women--or a pure soul.

"virgins"

G3933
παρθένος
parthenos
par-then'-os
Of unknown origin; a maiden; by implication an unmarried daughter: - virgin.


Isn't this virgin soul the bride of Christ?  The New Jerusalem? Cleansed by his holy blood in the most Holy place?  Chosen and prepared by the Father?


2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

--Rev 21

Yes to all the above.

That's one liberating thing about coming into the kingdom Molly..  . there are as many dimensions as there are relationships.  As I've shared other times, I personally am cutting my teeth on three . . .the natural, the moral and the spiritual.  If that order was a transparency, I would then lay physical men, corporate man, and inner man.  There are various ways to look at these things and they can all be beneficial.

So yes, in one way Adam can represent Christ and Eve represent the church . . .that for me is the 2nd dimension . . .the corporate bride being married to Christ, the eternal groom.  And yet Eve can also be my soul, my personality . . .and Adam can be my spirit.  2 Corinthians says that my spirit is to "take captive" my thoughts . .. which is my Adam subduing my Eve.  And it's also Christ who is the head, and the church is the body.  Christ rules the church . . . but it's not the kind of rule that our reasoning imagines (image-in)  But his ruling is the same as God's judgment . . .it's an action of love, not vengence or wrath.

Let it reverse in you . . .turn your head inside out and see what births from that.

 

Quote from: Nathan2 Corinthians says that my spirit is to "take captive" my thoughts . .. which is my Adam subduing my Eve.

Your spirit or Christ's Spirit?  That was my question.  I don't think whatever spirit we may or may not have on our own counts for much other than breathing in and out.

It is not "I" but Christ "in" me . . .Paul's words.  I'm not so sure it's as simple as just breathing in and out . . .Romans speaks about there being a "spirit to spirit" communication with God and man . . . there is something within that creates the adrenalin of the "ah ha" moments within us.  There is a recognition of spiritual things that can only be identified by spiritual beings.  So yes, Christ is in me as his spirit resides in me . .but I also see that there is another spirit nature that was breathed into this form of a body at the conception within my mother's womb. 

I wonder if it isn't in extensions.  This flesh suit is stretched around a frame to house a spirit within it . . .and that spirit has it's own personality . .which makes me, me . . .yet a mystery happens at the invitation of the Holy Spirit to come in to where now, my spirit is stretched around an invisible frame . .within which the Holy Spirit resides in that.  Kind of like a telescope . . .one extension folds into another.

The Son, folded into the Spirit, folded into the Father . . .when they extend, God manifests.

I don't know . .it's tough to put spiritual things into natural words.

1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " 8Then they remembered his words.

Luke 24



[two men in... ]"shining" [garments ][KJV]

G797
ἀστράπτω
astraptō
as-trap'-to
Probably from G792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.



For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

--Luke 17

[as the] "lightning"

G796
ἀστραπή
astrapē
as-trap-ay'
From G797; lightning; by analogy glare: - lightning, bright shining.



[that] "lighteneth"

G797
ἀστράπτω
astraptō
as-trap'-to
Probably from G792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.

5Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:

6His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

7And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

8Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength.

--Daniel 10



[and his face as the appearance of] "lightning"

H1300
בּרק
bârâq
baw-rawk'
From H1299; lightning; by analogy a gleam; concretely a flashing sword: - bright, glitter (-ing, sword), lightning.

I sent the following to my little congregation. How do you think they will take it? They are mostly friends who pray for God to heal sore throats and who believe God will damn most people to hell forever. I sent them this................

Why do you focus so much on the physical? Do you spend your physical life praying for and caring for vapors and things that are here today and gone tomorrow or do you see that it is the spiritual that is your real home and environment?

You're nothing but a wisp of fog, catching a brief bit of sun before disappearing. Or put another way..... What is your life? For you are a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away.  james 4.14

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower thereof falls away: 1peter1.23

Or put another way.......Your new life is not like your old life. Your old birth came from mortal sperm; your new birth comes from God's living Word. Just think: a life conceived by God himself! That's why the prophet said,

   The old life is a grass life,
      its beauty as short-lived as wildflowers;
   Grass dries up, flowers droop,
      God's Word goes on and on forever.
This is the Word that conceived the new life in you.

Why do people spend so much time praying for physical things that only pertain to vapors and grass. Why do we spend our time caring for shadows and not reality? Reality is God's home world, the spiritual. That is our home world too for we came from God. We ignore the spiritual only to our own peril.

Let's love the Jacob and hate the Esau as God does! Romans 9.13

We pray for people to be physically healed and some are and some are not but spiritual children will all be healed and we will see this salvation when we have eyes of faith for only eyes of faith can see the spirit world. Again, to focus on this physical world and our physical bodies is to focus on shadows and vapors. God's home is spirit. Jesus' words were meant to guide us in the spiritual world. The physical world is a shadow of reality.

Jesus didn't pray for the vapors for the vapors sake.jn17.9 When we pray for someone to get healed and they do we should be looking at this as a message from God about the total spiritual healing that takes place in Jesus Christ. How many times does God have to give us this message before we catch on?

Jesus said that the Spirit can make life. Sheer muscle and willpower don't make anything happen. Every word He spoke to us is a Spirit-word, and so it is life-making. But some people are resisting, refusing to have any part in this.jn6.63

People pray for healing for themselves and others and some get physically healed and some do not. It is not because of lack of faith that some do not, it is lack of understanding of what God is saying via our physical vaporous bodies.

We are spiritual beings, born out of the heart and mind of God. Let's act and live like it. Let's quit using prayer to get a parking spot or win the lottery. If we think God is so cruel as to let people suffer if we don't pray the right way then we are missing the message. God could heal everyone physically with a twitch of His eyebrow but He doesn't because the physical is a vehicle of communication from God to us. It is like grass, once it serves its purpose it withers and is gone.

Sure, talk to God about ailing loved ones but talk to God, don't ask for or demand things as if God doesn't care. God loves Jacob and hates Esau. God loves His spiritual world, His Jacob. God loves realities, not vapors. My prayer is for all of us to get the Message!

cp

Quote from: claypot on January 28, 2009, 01:38:24 PM
I sent the following to my little congregation. How do you think they will take it? They are mostly friends who pray for God to heal sore throats and who believe God will damn most people to hell forever. I sent them this................

Why do you focus so much on the physical? Do you spend your physical life praying for and caring for vapors and things that are here today and gone tomorrow or do you see that it is the spiritual that is your real home and environment?

You're nothing but a wisp of fog, catching a brief bit of sun before disappearing. Or put another way..... What is your life? For you are a vapor, that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away.  james 4.14

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower thereof falls away: 1peter1.23

Or put another way.......Your new life is not like your old life. Your old birth came from mortal sperm; your new birth comes from God's living Word. Just think: a life conceived by God himself! That's why the prophet said,

   The old life is a grass life,
      its beauty as short-lived as wildflowers;
   Grass dries up, flowers droop,
      God's Word goes on and on forever.
This is the Word that conceived the new life in you.

Why do people spend so much time praying for physical things that only pertain to vapors and grass. Why do we spend our time caring for shadows and not reality? Reality is God's home world, the spiritual. That is our home world too for we came from God. We ignore the spiritual only to our own peril.

Let's love the Jacob and hate the Esau as God does! Romans 9.13

We pray for people to be physically healed and some are and some are not but spiritual children will all be healed and we will see this salvation when we have eyes of faith for only eyes of faith can see the spirit world. Again, to focus on this physical world and our physical bodies is to focus on shadows and vapors. God's home is spirit. Jesus' words were meant to guide us in the spiritual world. The physical world is a shadow of reality.

Jesus didn't pray for the vapors for the vapors sake.jn17.9 When we pray for someone to get healed and they do we should be looking at this as a message from God about the total spiritual healing that takes place in Jesus Christ. How many times does God have to give us this message before we catch on?

Jesus said that the Spirit can make life. Sheer muscle and willpower don't make anything happen. Every word He spoke to us is a Spirit-word, and so it is life-making. But some people are resisting, refusing to have any part in this.jn6.63

People pray for healing for themselves and others and some get physically healed and some do not. It is not because of lack of faith that some do not, it is lack of understanding of what God is saying via our physical vaporous bodies.

We are spiritual beings, born out of the heart and mind of God. Let's act and live like it. Let's quit using prayer to get a parking spot or win the lottery. If we think God is so cruel as to let people suffer if we don't pray the right way then we are missing the message. God could heal everyone physically with a twitch of His eyebrow but He doesn't because the physical is a vehicle of communication from God to us. It is like grass, once it serves its purpose it withers and is gone.

Sure, talk to God about ailing loved ones but talk to God, don't ask for or demand things as if God doesn't care. God loves Jacob and hates Esau. God loves His spiritual world, His Jacob. God loves realities, not vapors. My prayer is for all of us to get the Message!

cp

For me bro, when dealing with infants and toddlers, you almost have to make them hungry . .otherwise the attention span doesn't last long enough for the message to be received.  I can't tell you how many times I'm passionate about some revelation I'm trying to share and sometimes, the listener scrunches up their eyebrows and shake their head like their trying to get the cobwebs out . . .then throw up their hands and say something like . . ."that's just to deep for me . ." or " . ..that's just way over my head . ."

So I've learned to first present what they already know . .and then start asking questions that no longer fit what we already have been taught to know.  Once you enter into that arena where they can't get something to fit . .then you can "suggest" that "maybe" it "might" be seen in another light . . .kind of slowly edging them into the same exact message, but now, they're coming into it thinking rather than just blindly listening and they'll not only be more receptive to what you're saying . . .they'll also be able to absorb the principle and hopefully, that should start a chain of comments or questions from them leading into even more revelating areas.  I love watching lightbulbs go off in other people when sharing my heart with them.  But it takes time and patience.

One of the things I hit the hardest, especially when introducing dimensions for the first time through . . .I pound . . .hard . . .on the importance of "letting" the hard to understand things in.  Don't reject them or discard them . . .I don't want to talk to your mind, I have enough issues with my own mind . .talking to yours will only create an argument when dealing with spiritual seed.  I don't want to argue with your mind, I want to plant something in your spirit.  (Granted, you can't even say "this" much to just anyone either)  But the things being planted are spiritual things that are intended for spiritual reception.  If your mind can't grasp these things, that's absolutely fine.  Just don't reject them, put them on the back burner for a later time. 

By now, my church understands what that means.  But even then, it takes time to get even that much to sink in when you're just beginning to move into the spiritual arena of the kingdom.  Now, when new people come in, it's the church members patting them on the back and telling them this same thing.  And the reason why is, because it works.  Once I get my mind to shut up, then I can actually hear what the spirit is saying.  And even now, many things enter into me that I don't fully comprehend.  But I'm learning not to judge by what is being said, but by the sound that the message is coming from. 

Joy has a sound.  Peace has a sound.  There is a sound to life.  I don't need to comprehend the message as much as I need to discern the sound.  If there is the sound of life in the message and I still don't understand it . .then I know to just let it simmer . .there are TONS of things said on these forums and threads that I don't grasp, but there is a familiar sound that is sending the message out that I "do" recognize.  And when I do, I know that understanding will eventually come, but first, let the seed be planted in my mind, in my womb and the nature of the spirit will take it's course without interference from my limited mind, and understanding will birth, I just need to let it be until I'm mature enough to walk in it.

And just as much as peace, joy and life have a sound, so does bondage, condemnation, and law.  I believe that's what scripture is talking about when we're to judge what's being said.  It's not about proving the message to be right or wrong, it's about discerning the sound from where the message is coming from.

"My sheep will know me by the SOUND of my voice."  Christ is the sound of love, hope, peace, comfort, joy, freedom, life and light. . the list is long.

There are people who love their image of the Lord and when they witness, you feel their love, but the sound can override the feeling to help you discern that even though they mean well, they are still bound in law rather than life.  This is not so you can point out their faults to them, but that you can love on them with genuine freedom and let them be the ones to choose to accept or reject. 

Just some thoughts.

wait a second!  Hands off my parking space up front!

You must have no idea how cherished I feel when He goes in front of me, making my day smooth and peaceful.  I still have to live in this world, you know! :laughing7:

He gives me little 'gifts' all day long, and I never fail to thank him.  Just the last two days, He has turned several potential nightmares into easy sailing.

This must be a little known principle, because there is ALWAYS a parking space up front!




30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

--Mat 6

Kingdom of God pursued first and formost . . .literal?  No, Spiritual.  Let the spiritual seed be planted and everything else will come into order.  But the key is to let that which you can not see, and not always understand, to still be planted in your mind through your spirit . . .mind must be in submission to spirit . . .Be Still . . .and "know". . .intimacy follows submission.

well, yes, I think the kingdom is literal.  It might come without observation.  It might be accessed spiritually.  But the results are literal, as we live in a literal world--on earth as it is in heaven.



15Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

--Acts 5

By literal I mean that we don't wear literal crowns, we don't carry around scepters, we don't make literal decrees for natural people to adhere to.  What you are referring to would be spiritual . . .when I engage as a king in the spirit, it affects my natural realm.

The passages you quote are of people who have come aware of their authority in the spiritual that has great affect in the natural.  I believe this is where the church was supposed to have remained from the beginning . . .but doctrine became more important than relationship and the manifestations of this change in power show up in the multiplication of church buildings, but the lack of the affects that follow.  More doctrines to choose from, but fewer miracles and signs . . .something has gone amiss.  But rather than get alarmed, we should be encouraged . .for that which has been dorment, is now again being resurrected . .and we're the generation that it's occuring in.

 :cloud9: Amen Nathan, that is one good explanation, and listening for the sound is exactly what is needed. If I could add some other points along those lines......

Being creatures that want to stand on something "solid" by nature, thus having some control over the situation, as opposed to "walking on the water", it's hard sometimes to not be able to "hear" what to stand on, and to have to just have peace that whatever you are to receive will have gone into your spirit, bypassing your mind, and that the Lord of the harvest will bring it to your understanding as and when HE wills, and not the other way around.

Relinquishing control is just as hard as learning to float on water when you were a kid, ie. trusting that you were not going to drown, and learning from experience that the more you struggle with it and don't relax, the more difficult it is to do.

He has made me to listen for the sound, and lots of times I read something that does not instantly become revelation to me, but because of the sound I heard, I KNOW it's there, and I keep on pressing in until I DO hear it, no matter how long that takes. He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, and no one should expect to hear everything immediately, because it just doesn't happen that way.

Another thing I don't think people realize is, is sometimes when He gives you something, you are at a loss to explain it any other way than the way you yourself received it. It didn't come from you, and therefore you can't always "break it down" yet.

Another point along those lines is, the Lord spoke in parables that the multitudes might NOT understand, and using clarity of the message for all, as a means of judging and thereby rejecting the vessel giving the message, is in clear contradiction to the Lord of righteousness Himself, who did not speak that ALL might understand at that moment. Sadly, that is what many do, at the first sign of not being able to understand what is being shared. But Him being the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, means that He still may elect for reasons known only to Him, to somewhat veil what is being revealed from those He is not ready to reveal it to yet, and it has nothing to do with the vessel at all.

If for no other reason, because of the reason I listed above, which is, that it makes us press in more, that the "multitudes" that are in all of us that are only concerned with getting the fishes and the loaves (our natural immediate needs met, which includes our immediate natural understanding), change into that of being one of the disciples (one that follows Him wheresoever the Lamb goest, even if it discomforts our immediate needs).

The bottom line is, He is the Lord of the harvest, we are not. He is the master builder who knows what "layer" needs to be added to whom when, and we don't. We can only give out what has been given to us, and leave the rest to the wise master builder, and have peace that He will finish what He has started. Blessings.....

Quote from: NathanI believe this is where the church was supposed to have remained from the beginning . . .but doctrine became more important than relationship and the manifestations of this change in power show up in the multiplication of church buildings, but the lack of the affects that follow.  More doctrines to choose from, but fewer miracles and signs . . .something has gone amiss.

I believe so, too, but nothing has gone amiss.  It's all like it is supposed to be.


14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

--Rom 10




[except] "they be sent"

G649
ἀποστέλλω
apostellō
ap-os-tel'-lo
From G575 and G4724; set apart, that is, (by implication) to send out (properly on a mission) literally or figuratively: - put in, send (away, forth, out), set [at liberty].

I hear ya Molly, I hear ya. It is great to be woken up a bit more and it is very good to be used to help another wake up a bit more. To wake someone up from a physical sleep, it is best to do it gently, so too with spiritual sleep.

We're close , very close, I'm thinking. Like I said before, time to start pulling up the tent stakes and get the bags packed. We're close. Home is just over the next hill.

cp

Quote from: Cardinal on January 28, 2009, 06:47:22 PM
:cloud9: Amen Nathan, that is one good explanation, and listening for the sound is exactly what is needed. If I could add some other points along those lines......

Being creatures that want to stand on something "solid" by nature, thus having some control over the situation, as opposed to "walking on the water", it's hard sometimes to not be able to "hear" what to stand on, and to have to just have peace that whatever you are to receive will have gone into your spirit, bypassing your mind, and that the Lord of the harvest will bring it to your understanding as and when HE wills, and not the other way around.

Relinquishing control is just as hard as learning to float on water when you were a kid, ie. trusting that you were not going to drown, and learning from experience that the more you struggle with it and don't relax, the more difficult it is to do.

He has made me to listen for the sound, and lots of times I read something that does not instantly become revelation to me, but because of the sound I heard, I KNOW it's there, and I keep on pressing in until I DO hear it, no matter how long that takes. He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him, and no one should expect to hear everything immediately, because it just doesn't happen that way.

Another thing I don't think people realize is, is sometimes when He gives you something, you are at a loss to explain it any other way than the way you yourself received it. It didn't come from you, and therefore you can't always "break it down" yet.

Another point along those lines is, the Lord spoke in parables that the multitudes might NOT understand, and using clarity of the message for all, as a means of judging and thereby rejecting the vessel giving the message, is in clear contradiction to the Lord of righteousness Himself, who did not speak that ALL might understand at that moment. Sadly, that is what many do, at the first sign of not being able to understand what is being shared. But Him being the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, means that He still may elect for reasons known only to Him, to somewhat veil what is being revealed from those He is not ready to reveal it to yet, and it has nothing to do with the vessel at all.

If for no other reason, because of the reason I listed above, which is, that it makes us press in more, that the "multitudes" that are in all of us that are only concerned with getting the fishes and the loaves (our natural immediate needs met, which includes our immediate natural understanding), change into that of being one of the disciples (one that follows Him wheresoever the Lamb goest, even if it discomforts our immediate needs).

The bottom line is, He is the Lord of the harvest, we are not. He is the master builder who knows what "layer" needs to be added to whom when, and we don't. We can only give out what has been given to us, and leave the rest to the wise master builder, and have peace that He will finish what He has started. Blessings.....

Wow . .it's as if I wrote this Card!!  The kindred spirit here lately with you guys has just been so profound.  Claypot, Molly . . .all of these things being said by you guys has such a sweet aroma . . .wonderful stuff!!!

Tra-la!  :icon_king:



HUMAN CELLS HAVE ELECTRIC FIELDS AS POWERFUL AS LIGHTNING BOLTS



Using newly developed voltage-sensitive nanoparticles, researchers have found that the previously unknown electric fields inside of cells are as strong, or stronger, as those produced in lightning bolts. Previously, it has only been possible to measure electric fields across cell membranes, not within the main bulk of cells, so scientists didn't even know cells had an internal electric field.

This discovery is a surprising twist for cell researchers. Scientists don't know what causes these incredibly strong fields or why they' are there. But now using new nanotools, such as voltage-sensitive dyes, they can start to measure them at least. Researchers believe they may be able to learn more about disease states, such as cancer, by studying these minute, but powerful electric fields.

University of Michigan researchers led by chemistry professor Raoul Kopelman encapsulated voltage-sensitive dyes in polymer spheres just 30 nanometers in diameter. Testing these nanoparticles in the internal fluid of brain-cancer cells, Kopelman found electric fields as strong as 15 million volts per meter, up to five times stronger than the field found in a lightning bolt. However, this discovery goes beyond being incredibly interesting; the finding will likely change the way researchers look at disease.

"They have developed a tool that allows you to look at cellular changes on a very local level," said Piotr Grodzinski, director of the National Cancer Institute Alliance for Nanotechnology in Cancer in Technology Review. Grodzinski believes many developments in cancer research, for example, over the past few years have been "reactive" rather than proactive. Despite how far cancer treatments have come, the way that cancer, and other diseases, progresses at the cellular level in the first place is still not well understood. With a better understanding, researchers could improve diagnostics and care. "This development represents an attempt to start using nanoscale tools to understand how disease develops," said Grodzinski.

Kopelman has developed encapsulated voltage-sensitive dyes that aren't hydrophobic and can operate anywhere in the cell, rather than just in membranes. Because it's possible to place his encapsulated dyes in a cell with a greater degree of control, Kopelman likens them to voltmeters. "Nano voltmeters do not perturb [the cellular] environment, and you can control where you put them," he says.

The existence of strong electric fields across cellular membranes is accepted as a basic fact of cell biology. The fact that cells have internal electric fields as well, however, is a whole new revelation. Scientists previously did not know of the existence of internal cellular energy fields, and are just in the earliest stages of understand the phenomenon. Kopelman presented his results at the annual meeting of the American Society for Cell Biology this month. "There has been no skepticism as to the measurements," says Kopelman. "But we don't have an interpretation."

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/01/human-cells-hav.html

 :cloud9: That's cool! Inward anointing, outward anointing, just like the gold of the ark of the covenant, and just like us. All the heavens declare His glory.... :thumbsup:

 Yep!

...and when we see Him..it is like the lightning that flashes forth from east to west.....yhe thunder His word revealed.

.... Isee this as him revealing His spiritual truths to our mind
 by His Holy spirit ....I see that occurring with all that He is
 revealing to us

      Giving us truths..His mind and the mind of God to us.....

   ... the whole creation groans for the REVEALING of the sons of God

   I see that as Him revealing to His sons,brothers, these things

    Him returning in the Glory and Power of His Father

.....and I remember when He said..all things are possible with God...when His disciples said..will only a few be saved
       

                                Sheila

Amen! :girlheart:


The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life is a book by Robert O. Becker and Gary Selden in which Dr. Becker, an orthopedic surgeon at the time working for the Veterans Administration, describes his research into "our bioelectric selves".

He began by examining why normal bones heal, and then explored the reasons why bones fail to heal properly. In the process he observed several interesting properties of bones and bone growth, proposing that bones are semiconductors and piezoelectric in nature. These tie into the healing process by electrically stimulating bone marrow cells to differentiate into a form of adult stem cells which regrew the bone from within by regeneration. By applying external electrical stimulation in the proper form, he was able to induce bone healing in patients whose bones had failed to heal together.

--Wikipedia




Ezekiel 37:4
Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

I especially like this quote from your original piece here Molly,
However, this discovery goes beyond being incredibly interesting; the finding will likely change the way researchers look at disease.

Revelation of the Truth of Jesus Christ goes beyond interesting and profound . . .it changes the way we look at everything.  We walk in a disease-focussed mindset . . .but when lightning manifests "within" me . . .it changes my perspectives on everything.

The second one about the bones healing in the presence of an electric current--I've always thought that Jesus felt an electric current going through him to heal the woman who touched the hem of his robe.  He is in the middle of a huge crowd, so the disciples think he has lost his mind when he says, Who touched me?  His connection to the Father and her faith make a perfect circuit.


Luke 8:45
And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

46And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.


"virtue"

G1411
δύναμις
dunamis
doo'-nam-is
From G1410; force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself): - ability, abundance, meaning, might (-ily, -y, -y deed), (worker of) miracle (-s), power, strength, violence, mighty (wonderful) work.



[Who] "touched" [me?]

G680
ἅπτομαι
haptomai
hap'-tom-ahee
Reflexive of G681; properly to attach oneself to, that is, to touch (in many implied relations): - touch.



G681
ἅπτω
haptō
hap'-to
A primary verb; properly to fasten to, that is, (specifically) to set on fire: - kindle, light.

 :cloud9: I had read that a few years ago, about them discovering that electrical currents encourage bone growth, and I thought that was amazing. We are as "batteries" storing the current of the Lord, His healing virtue. What keeps us from realizing it, is our own evil heart of unbelief.

And about bones being semiconductors, the life is in the blood, but the blood is made in the marrow of the bones. The bones being as the scriptures/Word, which is why it was stated not a bone of His was broken. Blessings....

Quote from: Cardinal on February 04, 2009, 07:13:54 PM
:cloud9: I had read that a few years ago, about them discovering that electrical currents encourage bone growth, and I thought that was amazing. We are as "batteries" storing the current of the Lord, His healing virtue. What keeps us from realizing it, is our own evil heart of unbelief.

And about bones being semiconductors, the life is in the blood, but the blood is made in the marrow of the bones. The bones being as the scriptures/Word, which is why it was stated not a bone of His was broken. Blessings....

Jeeze . . .how many of those nuggets you got in you!!!  That's an awesome little piece you just threw out there!!  I LOVE IT!!!

   sure are beutiful little gems,aren't they?

                                    Sheila

 :cloud9: Glad you were blessed y'all....... :HeartThrob: