Just what do you mean - Born Again?

[Mickiel]

You seem to want a walk of information that can get you through Eden and back Into  our times , without an event of sin  and destruction, further understanding that God  holds these grounds.He place these  event in motion.

[marie glen]

God has taken the most messy and chaotic thing, and given it order! The human psyche. We all walk around in our own reality.. Chaos can get the upper hand. But God has a program!
     NOTE: ?Things? in this verse (Eph.1:10; and also in Rev.21:5) was added to the word ?all? - which in the Greek is the word ?pas? - ?every, all?.? EPH.1:10 reads, ?As a plan for the fullness of time, to bring together all things in Christ--the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth.? ? But actually SHOULD read - ?As a plan/administration for the fullness of time, to bring together all in Christ--the in the heavens and the upon the earth.? (Word for word.)
     All in Christ! ?This is the decree - You are my Son..? Ps.2:7.
     So far I?ve found four outlines of this program/administration of the ages. Let?s call them A, B, C, and D, briefly:
     Outline A - The Weekly Week (lol)
6OOO years of things running their course - oR we would be robots?
   Followed by a Sabbath, a 7th ?day? we call ?the millennium? and the scripture calls ?the thousand years? ? ?aFter which the rest of the dead rise? (Rev.20:5).
   Then is ?the last great day? an ?8th day? - Rev.20:7-13 stretched out over this eighth millennium. John 7:37 being a glimpse of that ?day?? Surely(?) what the Lord called ?aionion kolasis?. Literal translation would read ?eonian correction?. Mt.25:46 - Jesus said ?these (not yet saved/still wild weeds/goats) will rise into aionion-kolasis/eonian-correction?.
     And logically, it?s only after the full ?8th day? that if anyone is found, whose name is not written in the Book of Life, they will be cast to the fiery lake when - 2Pet.3:12-13, Rev.21:1-5 - is a fiery ReGenesis.. ?a new heavens and new Earth? and ?now God will Tabernacle with mankind? Rev.21:5. Which brings me to -
     Outline B - The Fall Holy Days of ancient Israel. The Spring holy days were perfectly fulfilled by the Lord?s first advent, by His death and rising, more fully than is easily seen since there?s three Sabbaths of the week, so three preparation days, both Hebrew and Roman time were used and Passover and 1st day of Unleavened Bread were/are? called interchangeably.
     So logically, the Autumn Holy Days prophecy and are a shadow and type of His long second advent. The Fall holy days (Lev.23) are:
   (1.) TRUMPETS (of Rev. & His physical return at the 7th) - then 10days/1000yrs to (2.) DAY OF ATONEMENT to, and lasting? 500years (represented by 5 days) to (3.) TABERNACLES! ?God will tabernacle with mankind?.. And ?the lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow? (Isaiah 11:7).
     Outlines C (& D) - Are in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24,28c ? but(!) with Matthew 13:33 - key word 3 - ?The kingdom is like leaven, which a woman takes and hides in/works into three measures of meal (loaves) UNTIL all is leavened?.
   (Key word 3.) ?For as in Adam, all die, even so in Christ, all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: [#1 of 3] Christ the firstfruits (outline D. barley harvest), afterward [#2]those who are Christ?s at His coming (D. wheat harvest). 24 Then [#3]the end (D. grape harvest) when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He has put an end to all dominion, authority and power ..(including the LAST enemy death, vs.27) 28 ...that God may be all in all.? 
     Answer to a riddle? 2Pet.3:10 and 12-13 being bookend events of the Lord?s second, much longer, advent and presence. Verse 10 being the when of Mt.13:30 - answering so many questions! It being Rev.16:14,15,16. And what?s called his wrath (ire) being cause and effect.

[Mickiel]

God has taken the most messy and chaotic thing, and given it order! The human psyche. We all walk around in our own reality.. Chaos can get the upper hand. But God has a program!
     NOTE: ?Things? in this verse (Eph.1:10; and also in Rev.21:5) was added to the word ?all? - which in the Greek is the word ?pas? - ?every, all?.? EPH.1:10 reads, ?As a plan for the fullness of time, to bring together all things in Christ--the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth.? ? But actually SHOULD read - ?As a plan/administration for the fullness of time, to bring together all in Christ--the in the heavens and the upon the earth.? (Word for word.)
     All in Christ! ?This is the decree - You are my Son..? Ps.2:7.
     So far I?ve found four outlines of this program/administration of the ages. Let?s call them A, B, C, and D, briefly:
     Outline A - The Weekly Week (lol)
6OOO years of things running their course - oR we would be robots?
   Followed by a Sabbath, a 7th ?day? we call ?the millennium? and the scripture calls ?the thousand years? ? ?aFter which the rest of the dead rise? (Rev.20:5).
   Then is ?the last great day? an ?8th day? - Rev.20:7-13 stretched out over this eighth millennium. John 7:37 being a glimpse of that ?day?? Surely(?) what the Lord called ?aionion kolasis?. Literal translation would read ?eonian correction?. Mt.25:46 - Jesus said ?these (not yet saved/still wild weeds/goats) will rise into aionion-kolasis/eonian-correction?.
     And logically, it?s only after the full ?8th day? that if anyone is found, whose name is not written in the Book of Life, they will be cast to the fiery lake when - 2Pet.3:12-13, Rev.21:1-5 - is a fiery ReGenesis.. ?a new heavens and new Earth? and ?now God will Tabernacle with mankind? Rev.21:5. Which brings me to -
     Outline B - The Fall Holy Days of ancient Israel. The Spring holy days were perfectly fulfilled by the Lord?s first advent, by His death and rising, more fully than is easily seen since there?s three Sabbaths of the week, so three preparation days, both Hebrew and Roman time were used and Passover and 1st day of Unleavened Bread were/are? called interchangeably.
     So logically, the Autumn Holy Days prophecy and are a shadow and type of His long second advent. The Fall holy days (Lev.23) are:
   (1.) TRUMPETS (of Rev. & His physical return at the 7th) - then 10days/1000yrs to (2.) DAY OF ATONEMENT to, and lasting? 500years (represented by 5 days) to (3.) TABERNACLES! ?God will tabernacle with mankind?.. And ?the lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow? (Isaiah 11:7).
     Outlines C (& D) - Are in 1 Corinthians 15:22-24,28c ? but(!) with Matthew 13:33 - key word 3 - ?The kingdom is like leaven, which a woman takes and hides in/works into three measures of meal (loaves) UNTIL all is leavened?.
   (Key word 3.) ?For as in Adam, all die, even so in Christ, all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: [#1 of 3] Christ the firstfruits (outline D. barley harvest), afterward [#2]those who are Christ?s at His coming (D. wheat harvest). 24 Then [#3]the end (D. grape harvest) when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He has put an end to all dominion, authority and power ..(including the LAST enemy death, vs.27) 28 ...that God may be all in all.? 
     Answer to a riddle? 2Pet.3:10 and 12-13 being bookend events of the Lord?s second, much longer, advent and presence. Verse 10 being the when of Mt.13:30 - answering so many questions! It being Rev.16:14,15,16. And what?s called his wrath (ire) being cause and effect.
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I recall the days I was in the world wide church of God. People have seriously hurt from the drama . The pain
That I saw was like being blinded. And crushed  by the errors and mistakes of leaders gone rough and wrong and
.the members were pushed into yet another hour of pain and with many confusion. Your post reminds me of those who couldn't let go of the power invested In The holy days. I mean years and years of teaching and believing. This
Was a hurting time for our seniors.the way it hit me was ultimately freeing. Yet the residue from this will bear long consciousnes.my prayer for healing burst out of myself and  check up and On others.

[Mickiel]

Many. Churches can survive a busting up affair. The world wide church of God did, it's like it has sidekicks to make  it stand the paint,,..and I think many offshoots of that church still hold to things they would give their lives to and for. I walked away from it myself, that's how I know you can survive a whole sale assault  from Satan on your church.i saw it and know it's  ugly and horrible..I think as finished with Churches after that. Now I look at being born again much differently.  But I walked away finished with church.i was really just walking alone and relating to whatever I could, where ever I could.
 

[marie glen]

Many. Churches can survive a busting up affair. The world wide church of God did, it's like it has sidekicks to make  it stand the paint,,..and I think many offshoots of that church still hold to things they would give their lives to and for. I walked away from it myself, that's how I know you can survive a whole sale assault  from Satan on your church.i saw it and know it's  ugly and horrible..I think as finished with Churches after that. Now I look at being born again much differently.  But I walked away finished with church.i was really just walking alone and relating to whatever I could, where ever I could.

Wow can I ever relate to that!  Not the assault on the group and the pain and sorrow of disillusionment (just my own all out(?) assault years ago, faced alone, or that is only with the Lord in younger believing days) but the walking away. I couldn?t take the mixed messages with church(es). Different attitudes than what I felt I was feeling from the Lord. And there?s that natural human tendency to ?conform? so you become your best phony self.. Although I?m sure in every church there are those you can be your actual self with, actual brothers and sisters. I?m a quitter I guess, but then I came to be very happy I haven?t studied under a church, churches or denomination. First reason being I never believed in that satanic fairy tale of ?hell?. That unbelief was very much confirmed when the biblical language tools came to be at our fingertips, as opposed to the big Strong?s books, as it became so easy to search out and research the original scriptural words - though it does become obvious after a little bit that translators have loved to run with ?some? meanings of some words, like they do with ?some? verses! It?s crazy but it seems like things taught are definitely ?strongholds?. Like cement in strength! (Until the Lord takes off the blinders!)
    Jesus said God ?is perfect?. Perfect cannot make any mistake(s).. To lose even one thing, let alone a person, cannot be called ?perfect?. A perfect quote I?ve seen around here, is - ;God is love; and ;love never fails;.
:gsmile:

[Mickiel]

Many. Churches can survive a busting up affair. The world wide church of God did, it's like it has sidekicks to make  it stand the paint,,..and I think many offshoots of that church still hold to things they would give their lives to and for. I walked away from it myself, that's how I know you can survive a whole sale assault  from Satan on your church.i saw it and know it's  ugly and horrible..I think as finished with Churches after that. Now I look at being born again much differently.  But I walked away finished with church.i was really j
Greetings,

Wow can I ever relate to that!  Not the assault on the group and the pain and sorrow of disillusionment (just my own all out(?) assault years ago, faced alone, or that is only with the Lord in younger believing days) but the walking away. I couldn?t take the mixed messages with church(es). Different attitudes than what I felt I was feeling from the Lord. And there?s that natural human tendency to ?conform? so you become your best phony self.. Although I?m sure in every church there are those you can be your actual self with, actual brothers and sisters. I?m a quitter I guess, but then I came to be very happy I haven?t studied under a church, churches or denomination. First reason being I never believed in that satanic fairy tale of ?hell?. That unbelief was very much confirmed when the biblical language tools came to be at our fingertips, as opposed to the big Strong?s books, as it became so easy to search out and research the original scriptural words - though it does become obvious after a little bit that translators have loved to run with ?some? meanings of some words, like they do with ?some? verses! It?s crazy but it seems like things taught are definitely ?strongholds?. Like cement in strength! (Until the Lord takes off the blinders!)
    Jesus said God ?is perfect?. Perfect cannot make any mistake(s).. To lose even one thing, let alone a person, cannot be called ?perfect?. A perfect quote I?ve seen around here, is - ;God is love; and ;love never fails;.
:gsmile:

Greetings ,I personally would not argue the perfection of God, I mean
The one. Who would a.rgue it faces a wall of rebuttal. In Job  42 2  Job  says he knows that you can do all
Things,  no purpose of yours can be ,.,thwarted or stopped.if God wanted....to  be hard  on things, he could. Just will them out of existence. Poof, kapow--They would no longer walk in any reality. But our God is a loving one.some situations .need his mercy, like this one that has ripped  the whole belief system of a people.they need his love and mercy,. And get that in before the times of his wrath.
 

[Mickiel]

   I am
happy that anyone having trouble with a church can have the help they need to snap them out of Indecisive  seared consciousness to see the truth before the consciousness is seared.more reason to remember to pray for a sound conscious , and always be able to think for yourselves. Another reason I think I   never went back to a church, going through one  break-up was enough for me, and I am not saying church attendance is wrong, that's   a  loosing  fight, just leave well enough alone.you have to find that live spot, that love spot, it will keep things together or with that love spot say goodbye gently

[Mickiel]

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Or one can look at Russia and now they handle separating  neighbors. From the looks of it they just bomb your city and kill a few thousand and then they might hold talks

[Mickiel]

The. Church went through serious historical times. I am reminded of the scientific revolution ., but whew those times blew holes in  history and they knew we needed a source of inspiration, the Bible and religion.

[Mickiel]

I think church greed and ignorance help light the fire of history that broke  loose science from it's hard grip. The scientist demonstrated its own ability and came up with their own conclusions.. They got tired of church regulated science.

[marie glen]

The. Church went through serious historical times. I am reminded of the scientific revolution ., but whew those times blew holes in  history and they knew we needed a source of inspiration, the Bible and religion.

I think church greed and ignorance help light the fire of history that broke  loose science from it's hard grip. The scientist demonstrated its own ability and came up with their own conclusions.. They got tired of church regulated science.

Early on, in my life with the Lord, one of the instructionsl things which came to my mind was what if I lived on an island alone.. with God. No world. Lights of, voice(s) of. Just Earth, the island and my relationship with the Lord, and with the Father. I?ve always remembered that! This whole thing - all of history, and it?s sad, sad commentary, is I think serving a great purpose. Which I?m thinking the purpose is Truth. Somewhere in the Old Testament He said I show to you Life and death.. If we?re going to be thinking, reasoning beings, and his children, don?t we have to understand good from not good.. Everything being so cause and effect?
   I think God is creating a paradise, and a family, his own beloved family. And no craziness people do will prevent it or take anything away from it, or ever take us out of the palm of his hand, Ps.91.
    I?m a suspicious person! I don?t trust anything.. but read my New Testament for myself, I even made my own reading schedule and think of it as an ?enter the story schedule? https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com/p/daily.html ..I don?t even trust myself! I think every Christian (all of us) need to be anchored in the Lord the Logos and also in the written Logos, especially our NT. And the crazier the world gets, the more so. Afterall it?s two fruits maturing, so there has to be plenty of GOOD things going to be rolled out too! Do you think? ..I hope so! (For one thing I think we are at Rev. chapter 7 a veRy good thing.. Verses 4 and 9. Two groups, great things?)

[Mickiel]

Oh yes I think we are in Revelations 7 and we're at verse 10, salvation to our God. I think it's good to be suspicious, so am I very picky where the things of God are concerned. Yes Marie God is creating something totally new, which includes us, but it goes pass us. It said that all things will be new. We don't even know what the heaven was like before us , but we can rightly assume it was good  we are in for greatness personified .

[Mickiel]

Oh yes I think we are in Revelations 7 and we're at verse 10, salvation to our God. I think it's good to be suspicious, so am I very picky where the things of God are concerned. Yes Marie God is creating something totally new, which includes us, but it goes pass us. It said that all things will be new. We don't even know what the heaven was like before us , but we can rightly assume it was good  we are in for greatness personified .

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I understand the desire to be made the sons of God , the. Scriptures speak very highly of those chosen  this free inheritance is a mind blower for any individual who gets chosen in the first wave. It's such a powerful fertilization that is free , these individuals will grow into positions of great honor , so will need help on this side to be humble before the change,, the new birth is difficult if we are left to ourselves, we need the spirit even to help us wait for this honor. The things this opens to Satan is nasty,so we pray God's blessings on them.

In Isaiah 9 verse 7 of the increase of his government and peace  there shall be no end. Everything in that kingdom  will increase, which is why sin will not be allowed  everything good about you that you may now overlook , are plantings destined to grow  Growth without end Whew..

[Mickiel]

Oh yes I think we are in Revelations 7 and we're at verse 10, salvation to our God. I think it's good to be suspicious, so am I very picky where the things of God are concerned. Yes Marie God is creating something totally new, which includes us, but it goes pass us. It said that all things will be new. We don't even know what the heaven was like before us , but we can rightly assume it was good  we are in for greatness personified .

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I understand the desire to be made the sons of God , the. Scriptures speak very highly of those chosen  this free inheritance is a mind blower for any individual who gets chosen in the first wave. It's such a powerful fertilization that is free , these individuals will grow into positions of great honor , so will need help on this side to be humble before the change,, the new birth is difficult if we are left to ourselves, we need the spirit even to help us wait for this honor. The things this opens to Satan is nasty,so we pray God's blessings on them.

In Isaiah 9 verse 7 of the increase of his government and peace  there shall be no end. Everything in that kingdom  will increase, which is why sin will not be allowed  everything good about you that you may now overlook , are plantings destined to grow  Growth without end Whew..

Using just simple mathmatics , if I give you 100 this week and you double the increase to 200 next week, that is increase. Now two of things are listed to increase right off is peace and government.. I am sorry , I don't know how a government and peace can mathematically increase forever.. I can't see it. It's beyond me.

[marie glen]

Using just simple mathmatics , if I give you 100 this week and you double the increase to 200 next week, that is increase. Now two of things are listed to increase right off is peace and government.. I am sorry , I don't know how a government and peace can mathematically increase forever.. I can't see it. It's beyond me.

You?re so right! Exactly like you said, Whew!  It is beyond us to even appreciate how wonderful all that God is creating is.. I have to think if we only ever had lived in paradise conditions, how spoiled might we be? And once something starts to spoil.. not Good! (But God -built in- the remedy -from the beginning- :cloud9: But what a dilemma! How do you create thinking, reasoning beings, aNd keep paradise/perfection intact??
     Just imagine.. God being SO wise he can let all these not Good choices exist.. and run their course.. AnD, in the end, tie up everything -into Jesus- thus locked, sealed into perfection. I mean if God is Life, and surely He is? And he -is perfect- then that makes imperfect, and straying to be the exact opposite of Life. But he built the remedy into it all -from the beginning- Christ Crucified - STRONG enough to appease every conscience and psyche. We are -clothed- with forgiveness, fully accepted by Him, slowly being perfected, declared innocent/perfect.

   Don?t laugh, but I think we are -all in heaven and earth- being inoculated against imperfection/straying! (Which HE has -subjected all to.) As imperfection - greek hamartia, translated sin - means in it?s literal meaning - missing the mark (of perfection). So it?s very obvious, or will be to all, that to go that way is SO totally futile. As it can only ever result in death/not being. It?s a deadly disease and a bottomless abyss of potential.

:Chinscratch: I haven?t read that verse for a while.. so I googled part of the verse, it?s Isaiah 9:7. So I went to biblehub.com ?s interlinear word for word - I just love the study tools we have these days! To trace back to the original words written. It?s always SO interesting! Yet, of course, or so I think, the translators kind of run with SOME word meanings like they do with -some- few verses.

Quote - Of the increase [marbeh: abundance] of his government [misrah: rule, dominion] and peace [shalom: completeness, soundness, welfare, peace] there shall be no end..
    And the rest of the verse - upon the throne of David (Jerusalem will be Earth?s capitol) and over his kingdom [mamlakah: kingdom, sovereignty, dominion, reign] to order [kun: confirm] and establish it with judgment and justice [tsedaqah: righteousness] from that time forward forever [olam: long duration, antiquity, futurity]. The zeal [qinah: ardor, zeal, jealousy ..passion] of Yahweh of hosts will perform [asah: accomplish] this.
     :Chinscratch: (Info given to Isaiah 500 to 700 BCE (? i don?t remember when). -Of the abundance of His rule and dominion there shall be no end. HE will establish it and make it firm. And he?s quite passionate (feels deeply) about it (has zeal! Excitement about it!)
    A favorite verse of mine, also in Isaiah (11:7) -The lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow.- And Luke 1:33 -HiS kingdom will never end.- Not only will there be Father and Son :faint: but also his huge wonderful family -all- the beautiful, wonderful people and families.. tribes, nations.. of all generations and earth times.. And all the animal friends and creatures created by him.  :faint:  :cloud9: ..Even now.. how blessed are we?!
   The verse at biblehub dot com?s interlinear - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/isaiah/9-7.htm
:Peace2: God bless.. have a great day!

[Mickiel]

It is so refreshing Marie to listen to the heart of a believer blessed with  a few more pages of insightful inspiration from our King. The time will come and may already be here when believers will not endure sound doctrine. This is a world that leaks confusion into the people and we suffer because of that. This world is not heaven ,1John2, 15-17,  God loves this world but has not created a new heaven and mixed it with this world of sin . John 15:19 , James 4:4, Heb.13:14, 1John5:19 is stunning, it says the whole world lies in the power of the evil one..many believers are caught unaware of the worldwide net that snared them. It's good we have a savior ,I don't think any spiritual movement to make this world heaven, is wonderful but a bit early  in its desire . I resist any movement that makes this world heaven now or the Kingdom of God now. If anyone needs to peek at what little we know of what heaven will be like it's right there in Rev.22:1-5 . Such movements in my view, take the Kingdom by force of their violent belief . But I don't let my heart be troubled, I know that in my Father's house are many mansions that have many rooms, a place being prepared as we speak. This is NOT going on now because the Kingdom is  not here now. It's not just a spiritual kingdom, it has location, population, living quarters and John 14:1-6, Jesus lives there.  And the Kingdom of God has judged this world and cast Satan out..Satan has not been cast out of this world , but those who teach the Kingdom of God is right now here, explain to me the relevance of John 12:31 If the Kingdom is here this verse needs to be cast out  along with plenty of other's. Hey, read Rev.21:3, an announcement is made that all humanity' will see at the same time . The Kingdom of God is not a secret that only a few chosen can see , I like how Luke 3:6 describes it, "And All flesh shall see God", bang there it is. You will here , "Hey the Kingdom is here, no it's over there,no it's where the elect is pointing at'. I don't let any of them describe the Kingdom to me.

In Luke 17:21 Jesus gave a stunning misunderstood teaching. People will say the Kingdom is here, or there, he said the Kingdom is within you , or in your midst .I believe he was referring to himself being the Kingdom in their midst The Greek word that is translated as "Midst" has the meaning of"Among" or in the midst.  This meaning is consistent with the latest discovery from the papyri.

[joeteekay]

Many verses tell us that the kingdom will last forever and will never end. Isa. 9:7 and Luke 1:33 are the verses that Marie Glen used in her post. These verses refer to the Millennial Kingdom when the Lord Jesus Christ rules. It is also called the Day of the Lord.

But after the 1000 year millennium, another kingdom is established, called the Kingdom of God. It is the time of the new heaven and new earth. This is when God the Father dwells with humanity. The tabernacle of God (the Father) is with men.

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And after that Christs' rule ends and everything is subject to the Father. There is no longer a need for a King which rules. That is when all are in God's family. That is when God will be all in all.

1Co 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

1Co 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 

 

[marie glen]

It is so refreshing Marie to listen to the heart of a believer blessed with  a few more pages of insightful inspiration from our King. The time will come and may already be here when believers will not endure sound doctrine. This is a world that leaks confusion into the people and we suffer because of that. This world is not heaven ,1John2, 15-17,  God loves this world but has not created a new heaven and mixed it with this world of sin . John 15:19 , James 4:4, Heb.13:14, 1John5:19 is stunning, it says the whole world lies in the power of the evil one..many believers are caught unaware of the worldwide net that snared them. It's good we have a savior ,I don't think any spiritual movement to make this world heaven, is wonderful but a bit early  in its desire . I resist any movement that makes this world heaven now or the Kingdom of God now. If anyone needs to peek at what little we know of what heaven will be like it's right there in Rev.22:1-5 . Such movements in my view, take the Kingdom by force of their violent belief . But I don't let my heart be troubled, I know that in my Father's house are many mansions that have many rooms, a place being prepared as we speak. This is NOT going on now because the Kingdom is  not here now. It's not just a spiritual kingdom, it has location, population, living quarters and John 14:1-6, Jesus lives there.  And the Kingdom of God has judged this world and cast Satan out..Satan has not been cast out of this world , but those who teach the Kingdom of God is right now here, explain to me the relevance of John 12:31 If the Kingdom is here this verse needs to be cast out  along with plenty of other's. Hey, read Rev.21:3, an announcement is made that all humanity' will see at the same time . The Kingdom of God is not a secret that only a few chosen can see , I like how Luke 3:6 describes it, "And All flesh shall see God", bang there it is. You will here , "Hey the Kingdom is here, no it's over there,no it's where the elect is pointing at'. I don't let any of them describe the Kingdom to me.

In Luke 17:21 Jesus gave a stunning misunderstood teaching. People will say the Kingdom is here, or there, he said the Kingdom is within you , or in your midst .I believe he was referring to himself being the Kingdom in their midst The Greek word that is translated as "Midst" has the meaning of"Among" or in the midst.  This meaning is consistent with the latest discovery from the papyri.

I totally agree! The kingdom in their - midst.. Sometimes scripture is believed in such a way that it seems (to me) too internalized, like it?s all about moi. And I very much believe Jesus is returning in person and fully, which has not occurred yet.
:gsmile:

[marie glen]

Many verses tell us that the kingdom will last forever and will never end. Isa. 9:7 and Luke 1:33 are the verses that Marie Glen used in her post. These verses refer to the Millennial Kingdom when the Lord Jesus Christ rules. It is also called the Day of the Lord.

But after the 1000 year millennium, another kingdom is established, called the Kingdom of God. It is the time of the new heaven and new earth. This is when God the Father dwells with humanity. The tabernacle of God (the Father) is with men.

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And after that Christs' rule ends and everything is subject to the Father. There is no longer a need for a King which rules. That is when all are in God's family. That is when God will be all in all.

1Co 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Co 15:28  And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Amen Joeteekay! I finally realized the GWT judgment (in every not yet saved/reconciled to God heart, and great day of review?) is an age! What the Lord called -aionion kolasis (eonian correction, Matthew 25:46). But of course the translators translated the two words as their most extreme possible usage. Instead of eonian correction, making it read everlasting punishment. :faint: Running with just enough verses and just enough word meanings to cause the Good News For All to be presented as that bad news gospel!
But! In reality, what a glorious thing it is that God is doing! He subjected all to vanity for a reason.
:Chinscratch: What would we be like I wonder, if we lived always and only in a paradise?

[Mickiel]

I wish I could watch the future like television, ,it's going to be grand.

[marie glen]

I wish I could watch the future like television, ,it's going to be grand.

Amen!! I think you?re very right about that!!

[Ross]

Grand- God's Remarkable Awesome New Dwelling

[Mickiel]

The old ancient Kingdom itself will be renewed. The Kingdom is an ancient place in Rev.4:2 John was given a future television screen to watch. It's in heaven and he is shown God's throne. An awesome look it had to be. God appeared to be like jewels shining and a rainbow round about him. There were 24 seats with ancient beings sitting on them. With crowns on their heads. And lightnings and thunderings proceeded out from the throne. And voices. There were seven lamps of fire which are the seven spirits of God. There is a spirit in every human, the Spirit of consciousness or the breath of life. Then the holy Spirit of God can be later added,that's two. So our possible lamps of fire is two, God has seven. Each spirit is a different level of consciousness. God then has at least seven levels of consciousness. Wow!

[Ross]

Palace- Placing All Literally Alongside Christ Eternally

[Ross]

The old ancient Kingdom itself will be renewed. The Kingdom is an ancient place in Rev.4:2 John was given a future television screen to watch. It's in heaven and he is shown God's throne. An awesome look it had to be. God appeared to be like jewels shining and a rainbow round about him. There were 24 seats with ancient beings sitting on them. With crowns on their heads. And lightnings and thunderings proceeded out from the throne. And voices. There were seven lamps of fire which are the seven spirits of God. There is a spirit in every human, the Spirit of consciousness or the breath of life. Then the holy Spirit of God can be later added,that's two. So our possible lamps of fire is two, God has seven. Each spirit is a different level of consciousness. God then has at least seven levels of consciousness. Wow!

The ancient planned all this before commencing the construction process.
The reference to ages to come also highlights that there was knowledge of mankind's rebellion, which was necessary to teach consequential thinking- cause and effect.
We will be like Christ: pretty big change.