A parent tells his child not to play in the street. The child decides they want to and so runs out into the street to play. The parent loves the child more than the child's will and so runs out into the street and grabs the child and (you know what probably happens next). :punish:
Such a parent, who beats the childs freewill all over the house, is called a loving parent.
God tells his child to believe in his Son. The child decides they do not want to and so chooses to go to hell forever (a fate far more hurtful than getting hit by a car). God loves the child's will more than the child and so does nothing, but lets the child remain where they want to be.
Such a God is called a loving God.
Do they not realize they are portraying a human's love as greater than God's?
Ronen
Often,
On current events I have noted that that I have more love for the abominate then God is said to.
I love arguing for love...............it always brings me to a place place release from the bondage of judgment.........it is a feeling.
God is made known to us in the person of Jesus Christ, that is the last word, and religion falls.
Beauty.
Faith, hope, and love, the greatest of these is love.
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Indeed, in taking the traditional way of thinking to its logical conclusion, as in this human example I shared, things arise that would never otherwise be admitted. True Hebraic love אהב, a word which conveys the action 'to incline toward', is related to the verb יהב, meaning to incline as in 'to give', says so much to us, for in the word אהב, we find the One who is love, and always shows love, to be One who never stops inclining toward even his most wayward creature, always giving. Even the nicest view of a traditional hell, wherein those who are there are there solely because they want to be, separated from God, goes totally against his love, for in such a situation he no longer is inclining toward them, no longer giving.
Perhaps that might not make sense to people in the west, so we could also say that such a view also destroys the fact that love 'always hopes', as Paul wrote. The only way love can always hope is when there is that which can come to change. For those in a traditional hell, an endless torment with no opportunity to ever have it end, there is no hope, and Paul's words end up being a lie.
Ronen
Quote from: gregoryfl on July 25, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
Perhaps that might not make sense to people in the west, so we could also say that such a view also destroys the fact that love 'always hopes', as Paul wrote. The only way love can always hope is when there is that which can come to change. For those in a traditional hell, an endless torment with no opportunity to ever have it end, there is no hope, and Paul's words end up being a lie.
Ronen
Hi Ronen,
Awesome!
My favorite scripture is 1 Corinthians 13.
I like to put "I" in place of "love", and that brings me to some sober questions about my walk of love.
I always protect, I always trust, I always hope, I always persevere.
I'm wanting to do a word study on those four characteristics, but my favorite concordance, interlinear, online has not been working or late.
You lift love high!...................................I'm there!
Great thread.
Love is considered a momentary emotion, here on earth, but I think that Love is a way of being; a way of life, for a Christian. It is not something which occurs due to an event or a person being present or influential to us, in some way, but rather a path to walk, daily, which brings a whole way of 'seeing' our fellow man and God. The semantics can lead to misunderstandings about what Christians mean, when they speak of Love.
And, our way of seeing Love from God, shapes our way of viewing how we are to Love, as, our view on how to Love, shapes our view of who God really is.
It is definitely counter-cultural. The feeling isn't, but the way of Life is.
Luke 10:25-37Young's Literal Translation (YLT) - The Good Samaritan
25 And lo, a certain lawyer stood up, trying him, and saying, `Teacher, what having done, life age-during shall I inherit?'
26 And he said unto him, `In the law what hath been written? how dost thou read?'
27 And he answering said, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of all thy soul, and out of all thy strength, and out of all thy understanding, and thy neighbour as thyself.'
28 And he said to him, `Rightly thou didst answer; this do, and thou shalt live.'
29 And he, willing to declare himself righteous, said unto Jesus, `And who is my neighbour?'
30 and Jesus having taken up [the word], said, `A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and having stripped him and inflicted blows, they went away, leaving [him] half dead.
31 `And by a coincidence a certain priest was going down in that way, and having seen him, he passed over on the opposite side;
32 and in like manner also, a Levite, having been about the place, having come and seen, passed over on the opposite side.
33 `But a certain Samaritan, journeying, came along him, and having seen him, he was moved with compassion,
34 and having come near, he bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine, and having lifted him up on his own beast, he brought him to an inn, and was careful of him;
35 and on the morrow, going forth, taking out two denaries, he gave to the innkeeper, and said to him, Be careful of him, and whatever thou mayest spend more, I, in my coming again, will give back to thee.
36 `Who, then, of these three, seemeth to thee to have become neighbour of him who fell among the robbers?'
37 and he said, `He who did the kindness with him,' then Jesus said to him, `Be going on, and thou be doing in like manner.'
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Since God is love, I have to believe it is (a) natural law, thus UR also.. As said, always reaching for :dsunny:
Amen! The following through on an idea/doctrine! as to where it leads is very much needed logic! :smile:
I believe Love is our very character and nature in Christ, more than anything we need to try and embrace as a way of life or walk. I think it is the actual character and person of God, and the fountainhead of everything else that comes forth from us. So as Christ is revealed more and more in and through us, so is Love. :dsunny:
:iagree: :iagree: :thumbsup: "if we have not love, we are but an annoying sound.."
I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:
"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."
I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...
Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 29, 2015, 03:32:31 AM
I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:
"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."
I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...
I never noticed that before - theo-logical.. though in so many instances(?) :iagree: illogical!
Quote from: marie glen on July 29, 2015, 06:19:30 AM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 29, 2015, 03:32:31 AM
I read thru the thread [OK, OK, I skimmed] and am thinking of the line from Tommy by the Who:
"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple."
I mean to say that people need to step out of their theological [theo-illogical] boxes...
I never noticed that before - theo-logical.. though in so many instances(?) :iagree: illogical!
:thumbsup: Beautiful !! :HeartThrob:
The ages old adage in CHRIST TESTIMONY/WITNESS OF TRUTH ,
Woman you worship what you know not what calling it God , but it is NOT GOD but imaginations of fruitle vanity
the whole creation is subject to Irony IS , meaning ALL CREATION has been affected by this mistake [sin], ERROR OF TRUTH
John 4
...21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. \
22
"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"
But an hour is coming,
and now is,
when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers....