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Hebrews 10:26 There remains no more sacrifice for Sin

Started by lee100, August 21, 2009, 04:05:52 PM

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lee100

Hey all my UR friends,

Some admonitions from the writer to the Hebrews.

Is there such a thing as a "second chance" in any and every context? The writer to the Hebrews states that a second chance is not operative in every case.

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance" (Hebrews 6:4).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26).

If everybody is saved, then why does the writer of the Hebrews differentiate the faithful from those who cannot be covered ANY MORE by sacrifice? So salvation in actuality is not universal! There comes a point, he states in verse 26, in which Christ's "sacrifice" ceases to operate! So how is everybody covered by Christ and saved if the sacrifice has stopped covering such people?

"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition" (Hebrews 10:39).

Some people actually "draw back unto perdition"! Talking about "drawing" - weren't those the ones that Jesus was supposed to draw to himself? Do some get drawn in and then drawn out unto perdition?

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God" (Hebrews 3:12).

What...can some "depart" from the "living God" when the universalist says that God's will is irresistible and Jesus' pull unavoidable?

resource: David Barnes


Paul Hazelwood


It is telling the people who think that Jesus took away their sins so that they are not accountable for what they do anymore that they are wrong.

I have met these Christians,  they do not think anything they do is a sin because Jesus took them away, they are simply wrong.


It is saying that Jesus sacrifice does not cover willful sin once you accept him, it is telling us that we will still suffer the consequenses.



HartleyDamboiseII

People, This is only My thinking.
New Haven and New Earth. i.e. All things, earth/all things made from atoms of God's making, man, plant, rock, air, space, and all other things you can list.

First thing is not to think of Revelation as the last book in the bible, because Cor, goes much further into the future than any book of Revelation.

If you want a comprehensive study in that book, look up J.P. Eby at Sigler Ministries.
Now as to the here and now/ after life.
The promise was that The Anointing would DO certain things, and He Has Done Those Things...

2009 years ago the father raised His Son out of death, and Finished all Death, since then all things have been in life, all made alive in Christ. There is no more sin, the only sin is the sin that you make of your own Law Making and the following of those Laws and the braking of those self-made laws. We are LIVING IN CHRIST'S THOUSAND YEAR REIGNS NOW. It started when death was destroyed 2009 years ago.

Revelation of God ( Matt. 16:18 "upon") is the New System of things, When all things come to an understanding that a higher power controls things, "They" start there own quest to understand.

God is like this to me in the physical things,  in all things there are atoms, in all things there are 2 things, sold and space, but there is an unseen third thing, energy. This energy is in everything. In every corner of the known universe and beyond. This energy is connected like a thought process in a brain. His Brain.

There is a process going on that will bring a close to the reign of Jesus "His" Christ, When all will be IN all. When all things are dragged to the understanding that God IS and God IS Love. Then We will be Home in Him and what goes on after All is, together again is HIS concern. After life? there can never be an afterlife because the use of the word says that life has to end, and life IN God never ends. What God does with His life/us, is His design.

Summery, All sin is ended at the cross, only self-reinforced-delusions i.e.  Law/sin/death.
Everyone will come to love God somehow-somewhere in "time", When time ends, there will only be God/us.

The new heavens and earth is NOW. Since life was given to all things when His Son Did It For Us whether or not we want to except that death was destroyed so long ago.

Lee Damboise II

WhiteWings

Paul,

You should reply before the thread is started. Otherwise Lee doesn't read your reply because he's to busy starting another thread.

Sad but true. But still very usefull because all guests that read the threads will notice that all Lee's arguments are to thoroughly debunked he doesn't dare to reply. And that's good advertising for UR.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Cardinal

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 :cloud9: Again you err "lee", not knowing the scriptures nor the power the God. You need to study the Tabernacle as Hebrews 10 tells you it is the pattern of heavenly or spiritual things, so that you have something to compare your "wisdom" to. Without it, you one of the blind being led by the blind.

You will notice it says those that are "partakers of the HOLY GHOST", ie. baptized in the HOLY GHOST, if THEY should fall away. This has nothing to do with "outer court" realm of initial spirit salvation, ie. what you call "being saved". NOTHING can separate us from His love.

We are called (outer court), JUSTIFIED (inner court), and glorified (Holy of Holies), and as called to be justified, ie. our soul sanctified by the Holy Ghost, which we are told does the works.

All He's saying here is, that once we have the baptism in the Holy Ghost and we WILLFULLY sin (sin means to miss the mark; mark is the mind of Christ) and fall away from HG direction in some area of our ONGOING soul sanctification process, that there is no remittance for that sin as far as being able TO BRING a sacrifice WILLFULLY, ie. put that bondage to us on the altar WILLFULLY; BUT........HE will bring judgment and fire to that thing, which shall devour the ADVERSARIES, ie. the BONDAGES.

Clearly, there would be no one left standing if our missing of the marks were held against us after our initial salvation experience, including you.

We are told to make of ourselves a WILLING SACRIFICE, which means WE get first chance to bring things to the altar FIRST. Failing that, BECAUSE HE LOVES US SO MUCH AND DESIRES THAT NONE SHOULD PERISH BUT ALL COME INTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, HE goes after our ADVERSARIES with FIRE that have bound us preventing our being able to bring the thing to the altar of our own wills.

Our God is a consuming fire, and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But not literal "fear" fearful, but REVERENCE brought out of the flames of the destruction of our bondages that allow us to see such a great a love as this.

The same principle is illustrated as when it was said that when YOU BRING your gifts to the altar, if you have ought against any, lay down your gift and go and make it right with your brother. Did He refuse them the first time, barring any repentance ever, or did He tell them to get their HEART right first and then come back? The bondages in the 3rd paragraph above ALWAYS have to do with man's relationship to man, either directly or indirectly, either literally or spiritually.

Best to lay down all "Babylon" and it's "Queens" who wear garments pertaining to the spiritual church, but inside is a ravening wolf, and seek HIS FACE and HIS SPIRIT who shall teach you and lead you into all truth. Blessings...
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

willieH

willieH: Hi Sister R... :hithere:

DY-NO-MITE!  :goodpost:

Quote from: Cardinal on August 21, 2009, 07:09:07 PM
:cloud9: Again you err "lee", not knowing the scriptures nor the power the God. You need to study the Tabernacle as Hebrews 10 tells you it is the pattern of heavenly or spiritual things, so that you have something to compare your "wisdom" to. Without it, you one of the blind being led by the blind.

You will notice it says those that are "partakers of the HOLY GHOST", ie. baptized in the HOLY GHOST, if THEY should fall away. This has nothing to do with "outer court" realm of initial spirit salvation, ie. what you call "being saved". NOTHING can separate us from His love.

We are called (outer court), JUSTIFIED (inner court), and glorified (Holy of Holies), and as called to be justified, ie. our soul sanctified by the Holy Ghost, which we are told does the works.

All He's saying here is, that once we have the baptism in the Holy Ghost and we WILLFULLY sin (sin means to miss the mark; mark is the mind of Christ) and fall away from HG direction in some area of our ONGOING soul sanctification process, that there is no remittance for that sin as far as being able TO BRING a sacrifice WILLFULLY, ie. put that bondage to us on the altar WILLFULLY; BUT........HE will bring judgment and fire to that thing, which shall devour the ADVERSARIES, ie. the BONDAGES.

Clearly, there would be no one left standing if our missing of the marks were held against us after our initial salvation experience, including you.

We are told to make of ourselves a WILLING SACRIFICE, which means WE get first chance to bring things to the altar FIRST. Failing that, BECAUSE HE LOVES US SO MUCH AND DESIRES THAT NONE SHOULD PERISH BUT ALL COME INTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, HE goes after our ADVERSARIES with FIRE that have bound us preventing our being able to bring the thing to the altar of our own wills.

Our God is a consuming fire, and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. But not literal "fear" fearful, but REVERENCE brought out of the flames of the destruction of our bondages that allow us to see such a great a love as this.

The same principle is illustrated as when it was said that when YOU BRING your gifts to the altar, if you have ought against any, lay down your gift and go and make it right with your brother. Did He refuse them the first time, barring any repentance ever, or did He tell them to get their HEART right first and then come back? The bondages in the 3rd paragraph above ALWAYS have to do with man's relationship to man, either directly or indirectly, either literally or spiritually.

Best to lay down all "Babylon" and it's "Queens" who wear garments pertaining to the spiritual church, but inside is a ravening wolf, and seek HIS FACE and HIS SPIRIT who shall teach you and lead you into all truth. Blessings...

Just plain ol' WISDOM sis!  I love your posts!  :thumbsup:

Of course, Lee100 has no understandings of his own, so he won't dare try to refute this! :nod:  Willya Lee?  :laughing7:

...willieH  :HeartThrob: