A Romance with God.

[Mickiel]

I am of a mind to see that God certainly uses the concept of evolution, or things evolving from a prior state. How could any spiritual mind disagree with this? Its really the whole ball of wax. God creates, then looks to CHANGE what he has created! Evolve it, bring it along definte lines of growth. Thats just a fact of life. Just because humans misunderstand evolution, does not mean its not real and a means of God. Yet we argue these points consistantly.

Even Romance, a most definte creation of God, is MEANT to evolve. To change and to grow! To resemble nothing in the end, that it was in the beginning. Mankind was created and primed in Death, in the end, humanity willNOT resemble that, but be infused with a WHOLE NEW CREATION, LIFE!

And Life is NOTHING like death. But our view of Romance with God has been primed with both Life and Death.

That mixture has " Done Things" to us.

And allow me to touch on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

 

Again in Gen.1:11, " Let THE EARTH sprout vegetation."  Let the earth do this. Vs. 24;" Let the Earth BRING FORTH Living Creatures", let the EARTH do this! It was Gods creative Power behind it, but the VEHICLE was the Earth! He did certain creative things through the evolution of the Earth.  So it WAS NOT instantaneously, as some assume it was. It was a deliberate building, or you can say budding, of a reproductive process, that would eventually SPREAD over ALL the earth.

So it is with Salvation AND Romance. In some cases it may seem instant, but God is interested in a steady building, or evolving, of the things he is teaching humanity. And oh how the Bible supports this.

And let me show you some of that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

To show you that God is interested in a slow evolving process with humanity, again look to Gal. 5:22-23, the fruit of the Spirit, or the ways and means of God. EVERYTHING humanity would NEED in order to obtain Salvation, Romance with God and Eternal life  in perfection, is ALREADY within God! The fruits of the Spirit ARE the foundation of OUR salvation! Its the way already prepared! THESE are the REASONS God does NOT worry about our salvation, because within these, salvation is already pre mapped, our Spiritual geneology is a predestined pattern, grouped together after God the Father.

For example, in order for all of humanity to be saved, God MUST be Kind. He MUST be Gentle. He MUST be Patient and Good. He certainly must Love MORE than he would righteously judge. His Joy and Peace MUST combine in order to bring his total creation to his total will. These fruits are a Goldmine of God, RICH in revealing Salvation, AND his Romance with HIS creations, because he Loves EVERYTHING he has created to Evolve.

And I don't think he created Evil to evolve. So I don't think he Loves it.

And let me touch on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

God has mapped Life after himself, predestination is really a pattern of Gods OWN LIFE! Does this then mean that God has experienced Evil himself? No, but IT DOES mean God has THOUGHT of it, considered it! And within this is a true glory of humanity, through US, God has decided to EXPRESS HIS thoughts IN OUR creation, concerning Evil.

OH, OH what a truly EPIC Romance this will begin! When you Love your mate, and involve them with Evil, BECAUSE you expect that to promote results that will evolve into Righteousness, ONLY a God could do this.

And this is what God did to Adam and Eve. And its what hes doing to us.

A Stunning Romance has begun, which will result in eternal Love.

But how could this be? Does it make sense? Since when does everything about Romance make sense? Lets look at that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Again John 3:16, For God so Loved this World that he gave Jesus, his only Son at that time. Well if you love us so much, why not give Jesus to Adam, our first Father? Why wait until those times in the new covenant? And I like some of Garys teachings on this, concerning who is threatened with eternal damnation in the old covenant.  It just does not figure, and thats why I am not attracted to the teachings of this world, they really do not make sense of it all, nor depict a true nature of God.

If your going to attempt to explain God, that is an effort to define ultimate Love. Create man, then " Instantly give that man Jesus." But God did no such thing. He waited to give Jesus, displayed Patience in his Romance with humanity.

And he has not changed. Oh he will give us what we need, but not when we expect.

And we always expect him to. Because we know he Loves us. Knowing " The Other Loves You, DOES things to you."  And let me get on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now knowing that someone Loves you, can and will affect you in diverse terms. Did you know that knowing someone loves you, can cause you to inflict evil on them? I could very well get into why, but this is reality. I mean it shouldnot, but it conversely does. God started this pattern, and forgive me for saying as such, but its Eden all through and through, we are mapped into this. This is why I hold females so high in Gods plans, they are the judas of Salvation. The first entering of rebellion toward God. I then think this demands his first forgiveness, AND expression of HIS Holiness. He made woman the doorway of this transfiguration, this change. And brought Christ into the World THROUGH this doorway.

Through this weakness. THROUGH this channel of change. This highlight of Emotions. These Women called Eve and Mary. BOTH Pivot points of Gods Romance.

Now, let me compare these two, and show you something.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Eve gave birth to humanity, Mary gave birth to Christ. Eve gave birth to death, Mary gave birth to life. Now in sharing this, you need to pray on this for yourself, because God can both kill thoughts, and give birth to thoughts.

But look at the contrast involved here. It is a literal mixing of two super componants. This will explain Gods Love in a manner not explained before.

God so Loved the world that he GAVE. But look at what God has given this world. Two things. Two distinct ways of Being. Two things were born, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, explains those things.

Both Eve and Mary were human, both things they gave birth to WERE devine! Holy by means of the Father of the birth. Adam had relations with Eve, he was not Holy, the Holy Spirit had relations with Mary, she was not Holy. But the transfiguration begins when the injection is Holy, and that is the pure essence of the New Birth.

Oh, and this is so misunderstood. But lets walk through the word on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now Eve, is a Bondwoman, and Mary is a Free Woman, and this same symbolism is touched on slightly in Galations 4:27-31. The writer uses heaven as the Jerusalem above, and considers those born into it as children of the Free Woman, or children of the Kingdom. He considers the slave children to be born from Mount Sinai in Arabia, which he was really saying just born from earthly descendants. I prefer to use Eve and Mary in my analogy, I think it more defined. Eve gave birth to this world, Mary gave Birth to another World. A World changer, a World's Salvation came from her womb.

So I tend to think the world has gone the way of Eve, not the common interpitation of thinking it has gone the way of Adam. Adam was not deceived, Adam was not impressed with the serpent, he was impressed with Eve.

The World has gone the way of Eve. So lets take a look at her for a change. A look at the Bondwoman.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

 Back to Eden, in order to understand Eve. Lets us consider Gods personal curse on Eve; In Gen.3:16;" To the woman he said, I will GREATLY multiply your Pain in childbirth, in pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Now note two converse things, two prior situations. It is OBVIOUS that before this curse, that Eve wouldNOT have experienced pain during childbirth, and she may have already had a baby or been impregnated. Secondly,  her desire WAS NOT for her husband, before this curse, because Gods curse certainly denotes that he is pronouncing a change of current conditions.

Now if you compare Eves and Adams curses, Eve got the worse of it, in my view. Eve was sentenced to, and thus ALL of her female children were sentenced to, pain during childbirth, and natural desire or submission to their men. And God NEVER lifted this curse, its currently ongoing even now! Thats why men have dominated this world, because of this curse.

Adam was sentenced to, and thus all males, eating from cursed ground, and thorns and sticker plants growing from it, and having sweat glands that will excrette sweat as we labour. Please, thats nothing compared to Eves punishment.

Eve lost her control of Adam, thus females were doomed to never control the Earth. The first knowing of Eves Characther, is to understand that she had control, then lost it because of this serpent. Now while I think it quite possible that Eve had a Slave mentality during their first 100 years or so together, I believe Adams Love for her is the ONLY chance she had of living out her life in freedom. Otherwise, she was a bitter woman. Never getting totally over her reduction. And this may be why the bible never bothers to go into her life, because it has no benefical relevance to it other than Eden.

But yet, lets look at another possible conjecture.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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In Gen. 3:22, " Then the Lord said, behold, the Man has become like one of us, Knowing Good and Evil." Well the good Adam knew was God, what was the Evil Adam knew, because the serpent certainly didnot fool him? Well its entirely possible that the Evil Adam " Knew" , was Eve. She Lost her control, she lost her power to manipulate, she lost her leadership role, Eve could have very well been an Evil Woman. Cain, who slew his brother Abel, could have gotten his personality from his Mother. Listen, Evil was introduced, it had to have been planted, wherelse would Cain have gotten it from? It started comming out this early in our history.

And although uncomfortable, I think this senerio must be considered, its highly possible, in my view. Not that she stayed Evil all of her life, but I think most likely, early on, enough years to establish  the root of Evil in her human generate, and yes, I think it was established through her.

And let me go further into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now in Gen.4, Eve gave birth to  Cain and Abel, Abel was a keeper of the Flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Now before hand, God had already cursed the ground. So do you see this, God had already cursed what Cain was charged to work on. So Adam must have previously assigned his sons their duty, so Cain was assigned a duty that both Adam and Eve KNEW was already cursed! Do you think Eve was submissive to Cain being assigned to a prior cursed duty, she knew the ground would cause Cain problems. But she had to go along with Adam. In vs. 4, God respected Abels offering, but in vs 5, he had no regard, ( or no intention of respecting) Cains offering, but this shows that Cain tried. So Cain BECAME very angry, and his Personality changed for the worse! BECAUSE God REJECTED him.

Further more, Eve had already been rejected, now she sees her son rejected also. Now listen, this " Did things", to both Eve and Cain. As it would do things to you to be rejected by your lover! Read vs. 6-7, God gives counsel to Cain, that if he did well, his thinking would be lifted up, but he did the same thing to Cain, that he did to his Mother, created circumstances unavoidable. Eve took the bait, Cain killed his brother, thus the pattern of Evil was established. Within Gods Family. NOT without, within! And I think Eve had something to do with this. I doubt very seriously that Cain acted alone.

Thus murder was born, family  betrayal, jealousy and hatred, all these were given direct birth IN the relationship between Adam and Eve. And disobedience to God.

Now allow me to go into what this means to Universalism, because it means a lot.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

I was questioned previously as to why I believe God rejects humans, I did clearly state as such. But I do not expect these explinations to be accepted so easily. Gods rejection started as early as with Adam and Eve, with the very first humans who held active consciousness, and God does NOT change! He has NOT changed these curses, he has NOT changed his way of dealing with humanity! Oh how I long that many of you could see this, I make absolutely no assumptions outside of Gods word! We judge Cain, we judge Eve, we judge both of them, AND Judas, based on OUR assumptions, NOT Gods word! Now I could go into Judas more closely, but that is off track of this current issue, yet of intrest. Just not much intrest to the point at hand. Perhaps I will go into later, the issue of the potter creating the vessels of both  Good and evil, both being integral to creation.

But let me continue with Eve, the bondwoman, a woman bound by circumstances beyond her control.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

The Pride of life includes the fact that we often think we can continue on our path, and that path God has decreed that to our will, our performance, our birthright,  our obedience , our knowledge, our bueaty and strength, the same things Eve took into assumption. We think because of our mate, that we then have priviledged gratuitys. We assume ALL of our rights, we claim it all, and go from there. This is what Eve did in her " Creation", her " Calling." God has not changed, but humanity has not changed. We also assume our rights to be God given, and we " Take the fruits", and offer the fruits to our loved ones.

The Holy Spirit of God, displays the  Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we take unto ourselves his Spirit. We walk around knowing we are first born, realing in that priviledge, and we take of the tree. I stand alone in telling you that your greed has taken its root from Eve, your pride, your bueaty, your spoiled attention you receive from your mate.

Not truly understanding a romance with God.

Peace.