I think we all know what it is to be romantically involved with someone, and I am recently impressed by the romance many have with God. And the things that evolve from that. I am most recently impressed by the conversations on the elect of God, which I view as mostly a romance with God. You ever seen a person who is thrilled with another person, who is not thrilled with them? They just fall head over heels, in love with the person, and that creates a point of view within them, which some call blind faith.
I want to compare that dynamic with the true calling of God. Explain the difference, using Gods word, to the annointed of God, and the calling of God, which is very simular to romance, because no one wants to be rejected. But many are being rejected by God, not chosen, but they are totally unable to tell the difference.
First off, a Romance with God is NEVER a waste of time, never. But to think that God has not rejected you, or does not reject people, is just simply misinterpiting how God is, he most certainly rejects people he has called. In fact, I am inclinded to believe that its the Holy Spirit of God who calls people, thats part of its job, but then its up to God to choose them. And I want to cover that some.
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Again Jesus in Matt. 22:14;" For many are called but few are chosen." Jesus here was teaching on the Kingdom of God, or the " Preperation of that feast", the final days of the gathering. This is a direct prophecy concerning the firstfruits, not the totality of humanity. Now I believe God told the Holy Spirit to go out and reap a large harvest of humans, which are the many called, and bring this to his direct attention. The Spirit does that, yet it is God himself who decides who is chosen. And God himself who rejects the many. Its not that God does not want them, he chooses based on his end time concerns.
The end times are going to be " Heavy falling out", some serious troubles and pains. Many willnot be chosen, simply because God does not want them to go through this. He knows they are not able to, absolutely nothing to do with their belief or faith, just their general make up. And here is where I view God as stuffing more men into this calling at the end, because of their general make up, NOT their belief! I don't see him calling a lot of children or teens, because of what must soon occur. He may well avoid choosing pregnant women, again because of their pregnancy, and certain scriptures tease my intrest about that.
But I am throwing these things out, but let me show you why.
Peace.
Now the calling of God is I think a unique combination of Jesus working in conjunction with the Holy Spirit. I believe God gave a directive for humans to be harvested, which I will touch on later, and it does exactly what God has directed. The Holy Spirit actually chooses, brings this to Christ, then Christ approves, then both Jesus and the Holy Spirit approach the Father with this harvest. Jesus can reject certain ones even before it gets to God, but it is God who makes the final choice. John 15:16, Jesus said I appointed you, or CALLED you! Yet in John 6:44, Jesus states that no one can come to him, or be CHOSEN, unless the Father chooses them!
Now look at these scriptures closely, Jesus said he will " Raise them up on the last day." He is being specific about the times, and the calling related to the times.
Now of course we are not privy to these conversations which God decides who is chosen and why, but let me share this; God is defintely about the business of salvation and eternal destiny, he willnot choose ANYONE who is steepted into themselves, that is not the wisdom of God! But we can KNOW some of how and why God chooses and rejects.
And I want to get into that.
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Again Jesus in John 6:43;" Do not grumble amoung yourselves." Directly after he said this he revealed that nobody can call themselves! But this is exactly what people are trying to do! We bicker and grumble about the calling of God, and I tell you, God himself will judge accordingly! There will be MANY called who God willNOT choose because of the pride they take in their calling! The calling of God is then a VERY unique combination of human humility and Gods judgement OF THAT! So a human may well be called BECAUSE of their unique natural belief, but yet rejected because of their unique PRIDE! Again Jesus in John 6:37; The one who comes to me, I willnot cast out. Oh but this does not say the Father willnot cast them out, so I think belief in Christ is a common reason for the calling, but not the only reason! Because there are those who didnot believe, which were called. Conversely, belief is not a garentee of the calling of God.
You give away free food or gas, and hundreds will come. And there will be grumbling and fighting. Now Christ has the aittitude of giving away Life for all, the Holy Spirit has a different purpose. The Holy Spirit was given FOR the called out ones, Jesus wants EVERYONE! You think about this, and how do they combine and choose humans to be presented to God? In Matt.15:6, Jesus said people invalidate the word of God by their tendency to hold on to their traditions. This means that Jesus and the Holy Spirit can approach God with a calling of a human, and God rejects that human because of their traditional way of belief, it invalidates Gods choosing them. Devalues their chance of promotion from called to chosen.
So traditional thinking is certainly a reason for not being chosen. Lets look at other reasons.
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The Romance with God is alluring, it demands dedication, a pressure unto itself. And we seek to show and prove that to ourselves and others. We Love God, and we seem to think that the expectations of our romance with him, needs to be accepted by others.
Oh and let me get into the pressures of that. And pray about the things I am going to share with you on this. This is going to rip you open, and you know, it should.
Because you need to discern this, and pray that God gets this into you.
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In romance, the one who is courting the other, will say almost anything to get their heart. I mean they will lie and manipulate, just to get who they are after. Then deceive themselves in order to complette their fantasy of romance. And this is some strong stuff I am sharing on. This is meat, its so very true. A person can target their affection towards someone, and keep going no matter if it is accepted or not. And willnot see rejection. This IS a dynamic involved with the calling of God, and the choosing of God.
Now listen, people are saying they are chosen by God. What they are saying, is THEIR testement of Romance with God. Again Jesus in Matt. 15:11;" Hear and understand. Not what enters into the mouth defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." People say they are the elect, they say they are called and chosen. Its what they say that defiles them, and a discerner of spirits will easily see this. Someone said to me, " Well why not say in public that you are called and elected", after all, this is what THEY think is alright to do.
I read every day what people are saying, and every day I see this deception, this thing being defiled. Because we express ourselves, we can't help it. And I am for that 100 percent, you should express. Its what we are expressing that defiles us. It defiles because we tend to listen to ourselves and believe in OUR voice. We say, " I am born again", the Kingdom is within me now! I have Gods Holy Spirit!
I tell you, its romance with God. Its affection towards him. A feeling that willnot accept rejection. You cling so much, claim so much, that you neglect weather it is being accepted . YOU demand that it be accepted.
And let me touch on that more. And I suggest that the few of you who see this, talk to the Spirit about release from this. This is no job interview with God, but God is looking for certain things in his determination of choosing humans.
You need to understand this grave point of humility.
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Let me share the future of every unaccepted romance with God. Again Jesus in Matt. 15:13;" EVERY plant which my heavenly Father did not plant SHALL be uprooted." No matter how much YOU think you are called, no matter how much you believe in God, it just does not matter to God what YOU feel about this. He is going to uproot ALL who are Kings before their time!
When Christ and the Spirit bring their crop to God of their decision to call these humans, the humans are already called by then. But see God has ALREADY done his thing, even before the Spirit and Christ has called. This is why its impossible to get around God, hes just the alpha of all things determined, a very awesome power. But Jesus knows this, and the Holy Spirit knows it also, they STILL do as God commands! So the Spirit pleads for the love sick humans, and the Father STILL views it all unbiasied and unaffected by any emotional content.
His Holy will be done.
Let me continue on this in a different light.
Peace.
Good grief, do you really think anyone can be head over heels in love with God without being drawn by the Father and inhabited by the Son?
Spirit calls to Spirit.
All others hate God.
20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me.
--John 17
Quote from: Molly on August 04, 2008, 06:48:24 AM
Good grief, do you really think anyone can be head over heels in love with God without being drawn by the Father and inhabited by the Son?
Spirit calls to Spirit.
All others hate God.
Well yes I most certainly do think that.Its what being a firstfruit is all about. Jesus mission was twofold, he was sent first to call out a few, and then later the rest. Again Jesus in Matt. 15:24;" I was sent only to the Lost sheep of the house of Israel." And only to deal with certain ones of them, not even all of them at first. And I am quite sure that many of them not chosen, were very in Love with their God. I think Martin Luther King loved God, but he was not elected to usher in a church of God.
The Love, or romance of man with God, or toward God, is quite different than the Love of God, imparted into the man from God. Again Jesus in John 5:42;" But I know you, that you do not have " The Love OF God in yourselves." They had a Love for God, but it was not God generated Love, it was self Love for God, and thus a Romance with the Spirit. I think Judas loved Jesus, yet he still betrayed him, and he was " Called" to do that.
I think a serious camoflauge exist today, well really always has, where people are confusing their romance with God, to be a calling from God. They do not discern that the Holy Spirit FIRST Visits, and later indwells. Again Jesus in Luke 19:44, later part of verse;" Because you didnot RECONIZE the " Time of Visitation." Instead of reconizing that the Spirit has come to visit you, you engage in keeping it all for yourself perminently from then on, and this is the essence of taking the Kingdom by violence.
By the Violence of your romance with God. Your going to take this, no matter if its being offered or not, your going to possess the person of your intrest, or the God of your affection.
And I want to get into that possesive mentality and how it has pricked our belief.
Peace.
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them....
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
--John 5
They didn't love God. They were not head over heels in love with God. They wouldn't know God if He was standing right in from them. In fact, they didn't know God when he was standing right in front of him. They sought to kill him.
They were in love with themselves, and their own reflection, not God.
Quote from: Molly on August 05, 2008, 12:25:51 AM
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them....
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
--John 5
They didn't love God. They were not head over heels in love with God. They wouldn't know God if He was standing right in from them. In fact, they didn't know God when he was standing right in front of him. They sought to kill him.
They were in love with themselves, and their own reflection, not God.
Again I disagree, many amoung the Samaritans and the Jews both believed in and Loved God. In fact, it was their tradition to serve God, God simply rejected their tradition, AND their Love. And I want to go into that.
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QuoteAgain I disagree, many amoung the Samaritans and the Jews both believed in and Loved God. In fact, it was their tradition to serve God, God simply rejected their tradition, AND their Love. And I want to go into that.
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Yes, and when those heard the truth, they were converted.
They were waiting for the Messiah because they loved God, not because they wanted to kill him.
God didn't reject them.
25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
27And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
28The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
29Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
30Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.
40So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41And many more believed because of his own word;
42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. --John 4
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God didn't reject them.
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Well I believe he did, and his rejection of people is a known thing in his word. In Hosea 4:6, God rejects people. In 2Kings 17:20 he rejects ALL the decendants of Israel. In Jer. 7:29, God will reject not just certain people, but whole generations.
And I believe many of these rejected, really did love him. God is not an easy being to Romance, and I want to get into why later, but I understand the willingness to argue for his affection. As I understand the gall of claiming it as your own.
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In Proverbs 14:30;" A tranquil heart is life to the body, but passion is rotteness to the bones." Here again is the effects of an untimely romance with God. The person is in Love, but they just cannot wait, they need to have it now! This is the root cause of the belief in the Kingdom being within now, believers just cannot wait. Their passion drives them through the scriptures on a dolphin dance, and they breathe in what they see as life. Not able to be patient, they must claim it all now.
Have you ever been involved in a romance with someone who wanted it all now! You may even have liked them, but their tendency to rush and grab, just turned you off.
You think God has no thoughts of this as he determines his annointed?
Far better to be involved with someone who understands and considers YOUR pace. Your timetable, your ways of being.
But the lust of the calling of God, will hardly consider Gods pace over their desire.
And let me touch on that.
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Again Jesus, when he stated not my will, or desire, but yours Father be done. I reference Jesus statements time and time again, because they are a GOLD mine of understanding! Who Loves God more than Jesus does? Yet Jesus will deny HIS OWN WILL, that the Fathers will be done, and God requested that he die! How many doctrines that you believe in, would you take away from yourself, in order for the Fathers will to be accomplished? And God peeks into the heart and sees this about both Jesus and YOU!
You stand on being now born again, now having Gods Spirit, would you come off of that if God expressed to you that it is NOT his will? Or would you stubbornly claim his affection for you, and let romance fuel your mind? Adam had a romance with God, but his romance with Eve superseeded that, and just read what occured. It was a Love affair, but God was NOT Adams true affection, Eve was! But Adam Loved God with ALL his heart, but the " Other Love" encompassed his Love for God, BUT, God GAVE him this Love.
Gave him a Spirit of rejection.
And let me go imto that.
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16For God so [rejected?] the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
--John 3
Did you know that because of your Love for someone, that Love could cause you to mistreat them? You could become overbearing and possessive. You Love them , but because of that Love you force your self on them. Force your views on them, force YOUR passions on them. And many of us treat God like this, we Love him, but we force our beliefs on him. Your Love is trying to lead them. Conversely, when someone Loves us, we often take that Love for granted, and then mistreat them because of their Love, and many treat God like this also. We do things, and because we know that God Loves us, we just feel we can get away with it. And with our beliefs. You just know he Loves you, and will forgive you, so you throw caution to the wind, and behave as you will.
When the human rules of Romance, are used in a Romance with God, that is contridiction. Its a mixmatch, but it downloads so much negative things in our belief. Things we think are positive, because we are trying to take advantage of Gods Love, and dictate terms ourselves.
And I want to look closely at that.
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Take a walk in your mind into the garden of Eden, with serious Romance in mind. And look at the Romance from ALL angles. God to man and woman, woman and man toward God, man and woman toward each other. And bear in mind that these are " First Loves." The First time, so its original, its new, its the Root system of all Love on earth. This established Love throughout all generations. Adam obeyed his Wife over God. Eve established her influence and thus her power. God let them both do this, BECAUSE of Love. God established interference with his Romance by introducing satan into the mix. And did this inspite of the fact that he is a jealous God.
Why would a jealous person introduce someone to their mate, that they already know will seduce? You think on this, and I want to show you some things of intrest.
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Jealously can be a rage, it can be a thing very hard to control. But if its controled, it then can be tested. Or used to advantage. Now God IS protective, very much so. But when he does not protect, he then is looking for " Involvement." Rather than protect us from evil, he choose to involve us with it. And entailed within this is the Invitation of Life. And keep that in mind, the Invitation of Life, because that is what is involved with Gods romance of humanity. Its really an invitation of Life.
Read this, pray on it, go through the Scriptures I will introduce.
And I think you will come out of it with a much better understanding of a Romance with your God.
He has deliberately exposed you to things, and Love IS the reason why.
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Now, how God did Adam and Eve , his First Love, do you think he will do any other humans differently? I mean try your belief on this. You think God has changed? You think he needs to change how he treats Adams children? A jealous God allowed satan into the mix. He brought someone INTO his house, that he KNEW would disrupt his house. Would lead astray his beloved.
And OH how God Loves us, make no mistake there. For the sake of Love, humanity was depressed. Then forced to LIVE IN the depression, and this HIGHLY effects Romance. Did God then give everyone his Holy Spirit to help in dealing with this onslaught? No, he didnot. So IF and when he does give his Spirit, do you think it would just be a common thing?
Oh no, no no.
And I want to get into that. That romance, that Love, that purpose hidden from the ages.
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For God so Loved the World, that he gave it the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Think about that. God so loved the world, that he Gave. Whatever then was given, was because of Gods Romance with the world. The knowledge of good, he gave his son.
Conversely, he gave the knowledge of evil. Prov. 14:6;" Knowledge is easy to him who has understanding."Vs 19, " Evil will bow down before the good." And this is what God is after in his Romance with humanity, a submission of one force to another.
Evil exist as a pivot point, a devine author of mighty power, is submitting his beloved.
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In Gen.2:18 God said it is NOT good for the man to be alone. And made him a helper suitable for him. This means God created Adam with deficencys. Lacks and shortcommings. He was then created to NEED! And part of the creation of woman is to fill that need. Here God created Romance in humanity. And it shows that Gods mind in creation, covers multiple grounds and reasonings, often not seen by humanity. Because having your own woman covers a multiple group of needs. The man then feeds himself, as he feeds his woman. Its a circle of benefits. For example, I actually spend a lot of time teaching my woman, and I wanted her to be able to understand what I am saying to her. So I asked God to increase her intelligence, and increase her ability to communicate with me. God answered that prayer swiftly, and I have actually witness this for myself. She had a handicap in communication, largely because of the way her two former husbands treated her. They treated her as if she was dumb, her being white and blonde, I realized that whites label blondes as being dumb, a cultural thing amoung whites. Not all whites do this, but it intrest me that some do. I have even seen over the counter cosmetics called" Conditioners for dumb blondes", a hair product that takes advantage of a racial overtone in a culture.
My girlfriend had been affected by this all her life, yet she prevailed and did her thing very well. But I wanted increase within her mind and Spirit, so I approached God about that. And God agreed and responded to that. In these matters, I see his Power. When your desires , match those of God, then he WILL deliver the power AND the change. And this is what he was looking to do for Adam, with Eve. But Romance did things to Adam, conversely those things blinded his opportunity to appeal for change within Eve.
And this is important in Romance, and let me go into that , please.
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Now Romance is VERY important to God, very. He uses it to effective levels, or you can say Love is important to him. Now in John 3:16, God so LOVED the world, that he GAVE! Gave. Listen, God will GIVE, and Romance prompts his giving VERY easily! If the person doing the giving is " Dumb", we label them as a " Sucker." Gullible. Gods Giving can be a virtual goldmind, when this is correctly understood. Try God in this area, you just do it. God is very wise, very able to suit you, conversely very able to render you useless. But he WANTS to give, we just ask for things that really do not " Suit Gods Mind."
Now listen, God is prone to give. A multi powered being of immense incredible power, yet his heart is WELL suited to do things incredible. Again in example, Eve was created and placed into life, then spoiled by the man who was prior alone. I think Adam Loved Eve so great, that he just stood by and watched her do whatever she wanted to do. When a man does that, he cannot teach his woman, because she has the creative flow of things. And God introduced this into Eden, very cunningly. The results were deadly, profound!
And I want to go into that.
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Romance was begun in the garden of Eden by God himself. Adam and Eve must have Loved each other, they were together a very long time, and part of Gods curse on Eve was that her " Desire" be toward her husband, which means its very possible it was not before the curse. When God created Eve, she had to be the most bueatiful thing on planet earth. And I think she began to learn that she was, espically with Adam gapeing at her constantly. So all those many years Adam and Eve were together, they Loved each other, and this is how romance began.
So the Story of Romance with God, begins with Adam and Eve, because what he did to them, he has done the same thing to their generate.
And I want to go into that.
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Notice, when you can, how much God said " Let there Be", in Genesis 1. Let there be this, and let there be that, in his creation of all this. Listen, creation, by itself, is a dictation of terms, NOT a creating and watching what happens afterward. In 1:24 God said;" Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind", don't you see this is the evolution that so many others see who believe in evolution? The earth bought forth the life of the creatures living on it, so evolution is not a baseless concept, its a misdirected concept. God started it, used it, and even it is in submission to him. The earth DID evolve, and animals DID evolve from it! But it was God who let that be. So evolutionist are simply misdirected. And believers are misdirected about evolution.
Just as both groups are misdirected about A Romance with God. Because with Romance, as with ANYTHINGELSE, its all about God saying " Let there Be!" And then it was.
Lets look at what God did with his Romance with humanity, that influenced our terms of Romance.
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I am of a mind to see that God certainly uses the concept of evolution, or things evolving from a prior state. How could any spiritual mind disagree with this? Its really the whole ball of wax. God creates, then looks to CHANGE what he has created! Evolve it, bring it along definte lines of growth. Thats just a fact of life. Just because humans misunderstand evolution, does not mean its not real and a means of God. Yet we argue these points consistantly.
Even Romance, a most definte creation of God, is MEANT to evolve. To change and to grow! To resemble nothing in the end, that it was in the beginning. Mankind was created and primed in Death, in the end, humanity willNOT resemble that, but be infused with a WHOLE NEW CREATION, LIFE!
And Life is NOTHING like death. But our view of Romance with God has been primed with both Life and Death.
That mixture has " Done Things" to us.
And allow me to touch on that.
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Again in Gen.1:11, " Let THE EARTH sprout vegetation." Let the earth do this. Vs. 24;" Let the Earth BRING FORTH Living Creatures", let the EARTH do this! It was Gods creative Power behind it, but the VEHICLE was the Earth! He did certain creative things through the evolution of the Earth. So it WAS NOT instantaneously, as some assume it was. It was a deliberate building, or you can say budding, of a reproductive process, that would eventually SPREAD over ALL the earth.
So it is with Salvation AND Romance. In some cases it may seem instant, but God is interested in a steady building, or evolving, of the things he is teaching humanity. And oh how the Bible supports this.
And let me show you some of that.
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To show you that God is interested in a slow evolving process with humanity, again look to Gal. 5:22-23, the fruit of the Spirit, or the ways and means of God. EVERYTHING humanity would NEED in order to obtain Salvation, Romance with God and Eternal life in perfection, is ALREADY within God! The fruits of the Spirit ARE the foundation of OUR salvation! Its the way already prepared! THESE are the REASONS God does NOT worry about our salvation, because within these, salvation is already pre mapped, our Spiritual geneology is a predestined pattern, grouped together after God the Father.
For example, in order for all of humanity to be saved, God MUST be Kind. He MUST be Gentle. He MUST be Patient and Good. He certainly must Love MORE than he would righteously judge. His Joy and Peace MUST combine in order to bring his total creation to his total will. These fruits are a Goldmine of God, RICH in revealing Salvation, AND his Romance with HIS creations, because he Loves EVERYTHING he has created to Evolve.
And I don't think he created Evil to evolve. So I don't think he Loves it.
And let me touch on that.
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God has mapped Life after himself, predestination is really a pattern of Gods OWN LIFE! Does this then mean that God has experienced Evil himself? No, but IT DOES mean God has THOUGHT of it, considered it! And within this is a true glory of humanity, through US, God has decided to EXPRESS HIS thoughts IN OUR creation, concerning Evil.
OH, OH what a truly EPIC Romance this will begin! When you Love your mate, and involve them with Evil, BECAUSE you expect that to promote results that will evolve into Righteousness, ONLY a God could do this.
And this is what God did to Adam and Eve. And its what hes doing to us.
A Stunning Romance has begun, which will result in eternal Love.
But how could this be? Does it make sense? Since when does everything about Romance make sense? Lets look at that.
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Again John 3:16, For God so Loved this World that he gave Jesus, his only Son at that time. Well if you love us so much, why not give Jesus to Adam, our first Father? Why wait until those times in the new covenant? And I like some of Garys teachings on this, concerning who is threatened with eternal damnation in the old covenant. It just does not figure, and thats why I am not attracted to the teachings of this world, they really do not make sense of it all, nor depict a true nature of God.
If your going to attempt to explain God, that is an effort to define ultimate Love. Create man, then " Instantly give that man Jesus." But God did no such thing. He waited to give Jesus, displayed Patience in his Romance with humanity.
And he has not changed. Oh he will give us what we need, but not when we expect.
And we always expect him to. Because we know he Loves us. Knowing " The Other Loves You, DOES things to you." And let me get on that.
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Now knowing that someone Loves you, can and will affect you in diverse terms. Did you know that knowing someone loves you, can cause you to inflict evil on them? I could very well get into why, but this is reality. I mean it shouldnot, but it conversely does. God started this pattern, and forgive me for saying as such, but its Eden all through and through, we are mapped into this. This is why I hold females so high in Gods plans, they are the judas of Salvation. The first entering of rebellion toward God. I then think this demands his first forgiveness, AND expression of HIS Holiness. He made woman the doorway of this transfiguration, this change. And brought Christ into the World THROUGH this doorway.
Through this weakness. THROUGH this channel of change. This highlight of Emotions. These Women called Eve and Mary. BOTH Pivot points of Gods Romance.
Now, let me compare these two, and show you something.
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Eve gave birth to humanity, Mary gave birth to Christ. Eve gave birth to death, Mary gave birth to life. Now in sharing this, you need to pray on this for yourself, because God can both kill thoughts, and give birth to thoughts.
But look at the contrast involved here. It is a literal mixing of two super componants. This will explain Gods Love in a manner not explained before.
God so Loved the world that he GAVE. But look at what God has given this world. Two things. Two distinct ways of Being. Two things were born, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, explains those things.
Both Eve and Mary were human, both things they gave birth to WERE devine! Holy by means of the Father of the birth. Adam had relations with Eve, he was not Holy, the Holy Spirit had relations with Mary, she was not Holy. But the transfiguration begins when the injection is Holy, and that is the pure essence of the New Birth.
Oh, and this is so misunderstood. But lets walk through the word on that.
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Now Eve, is a Bondwoman, and Mary is a Free Woman, and this same symbolism is touched on slightly in Galations 4:27-31. The writer uses heaven as the Jerusalem above, and considers those born into it as children of the Free Woman, or children of the Kingdom. He considers the slave children to be born from Mount Sinai in Arabia, which he was really saying just born from earthly descendants. I prefer to use Eve and Mary in my analogy, I think it more defined. Eve gave birth to this world, Mary gave Birth to another World. A World changer, a World's Salvation came from her womb.
So I tend to think the world has gone the way of Eve, not the common interpitation of thinking it has gone the way of Adam. Adam was not deceived, Adam was not impressed with the serpent, he was impressed with Eve.
The World has gone the way of Eve. So lets take a look at her for a change. A look at the Bondwoman.
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Back to Eden, in order to understand Eve. Lets us consider Gods personal curse on Eve; In Gen.3:16;" To the woman he said, I will GREATLY multiply your Pain in childbirth, in pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Now note two converse things, two prior situations. It is OBVIOUS that before this curse, that Eve wouldNOT have experienced pain during childbirth, and she may have already had a baby or been impregnated. Secondly, her desire WAS NOT for her husband, before this curse, because Gods curse certainly denotes that he is pronouncing a change of current conditions.
Now if you compare Eves and Adams curses, Eve got the worse of it, in my view. Eve was sentenced to, and thus ALL of her female children were sentenced to, pain during childbirth, and natural desire or submission to their men. And God NEVER lifted this curse, its currently ongoing even now! Thats why men have dominated this world, because of this curse.
Adam was sentenced to, and thus all males, eating from cursed ground, and thorns and sticker plants growing from it, and having sweat glands that will excrette sweat as we labour. Please, thats nothing compared to Eves punishment.
Eve lost her control of Adam, thus females were doomed to never control the Earth. The first knowing of Eves Characther, is to understand that she had control, then lost it because of this serpent. Now while I think it quite possible that Eve had a Slave mentality during their first 100 years or so together, I believe Adams Love for her is the ONLY chance she had of living out her life in freedom. Otherwise, she was a bitter woman. Never getting totally over her reduction. And this may be why the bible never bothers to go into her life, because it has no benefical relevance to it other than Eden.
But yet, lets look at another possible conjecture.
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But yet, lets look at another possible conjecture.
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In Gen. 3:22, " Then the Lord said, behold, the Man has become like one of us, Knowing Good and Evil." Well the good Adam knew was God, what was the Evil Adam knew, because the serpent certainly didnot fool him? Well its entirely possible that the Evil Adam " Knew" , was Eve. She Lost her control, she lost her power to manipulate, she lost her leadership role, Eve could have very well been an Evil Woman. Cain, who slew his brother Abel, could have gotten his personality from his Mother. Listen, Evil was introduced, it had to have been planted, wherelse would Cain have gotten it from? It started comming out this early in our history.
And although uncomfortable, I think this senerio must be considered, its highly possible, in my view. Not that she stayed Evil all of her life, but I think most likely, early on, enough years to establish the root of Evil in her human generate, and yes, I think it was established through her.
And let me go further into that.
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Now in Gen.4, Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel, Abel was a keeper of the Flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Now before hand, God had already cursed the ground. So do you see this, God had already cursed what Cain was charged to work on. So Adam must have previously assigned his sons their duty, so Cain was assigned a duty that both Adam and Eve KNEW was already cursed! Do you think Eve was submissive to Cain being assigned to a prior cursed duty, she knew the ground would cause Cain problems. But she had to go along with Adam. In vs. 4, God respected Abels offering, but in vs 5, he had no regard, ( or no intention of respecting) Cains offering, but this shows that Cain tried. So Cain BECAME very angry, and his Personality changed for the worse! BECAUSE God REJECTED him.
Further more, Eve had already been rejected, now she sees her son rejected also. Now listen, this " Did things", to both Eve and Cain. As it would do things to you to be rejected by your lover! Read vs. 6-7, God gives counsel to Cain, that if he did well, his thinking would be lifted up, but he did the same thing to Cain, that he did to his Mother, created circumstances unavoidable. Eve took the bait, Cain killed his brother, thus the pattern of Evil was established. Within Gods Family. NOT without, within! And I think Eve had something to do with this. I doubt very seriously that Cain acted alone.
Thus murder was born, family betrayal, jealousy and hatred, all these were given direct birth IN the relationship between Adam and Eve. And disobedience to God.
Now allow me to go into what this means to Universalism, because it means a lot.
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I was questioned previously as to why I believe God rejects humans, I did clearly state as such. But I do not expect these explinations to be accepted so easily. Gods rejection started as early as with Adam and Eve, with the very first humans who held active consciousness, and God does NOT change! He has NOT changed these curses, he has NOT changed his way of dealing with humanity! Oh how I long that many of you could see this, I make absolutely no assumptions outside of Gods word! We judge Cain, we judge Eve, we judge both of them, AND Judas, based on OUR assumptions, NOT Gods word! Now I could go into Judas more closely, but that is off track of this current issue, yet of intrest. Just not much intrest to the point at hand. Perhaps I will go into later, the issue of the potter creating the vessels of both Good and evil, both being integral to creation.
But let me continue with Eve, the bondwoman, a woman bound by circumstances beyond her control.
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The Pride of life includes the fact that we often think we can continue on our path, and that path God has decreed that to our will, our performance, our birthright, our obedience , our knowledge, our bueaty and strength, the same things Eve took into assumption. We think because of our mate, that we then have priviledged gratuitys. We assume ALL of our rights, we claim it all, and go from there. This is what Eve did in her " Creation", her " Calling." God has not changed, but humanity has not changed. We also assume our rights to be God given, and we " Take the fruits", and offer the fruits to our loved ones.
The Holy Spirit of God, displays the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we take unto ourselves his Spirit. We walk around knowing we are first born, realing in that priviledge, and we take of the tree. I stand alone in telling you that your greed has taken its root from Eve, your pride, your bueaty, your spoiled attention you receive from your mate.
Not truly understanding a romance with God.
Peace.