Does UR include animals?

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micah7:9

Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 06:32:31 AM
I keep saying this:  If not all are saved, how can God ever be All in all?

Absolutely  :iagree:  :dsunny:

Lazarus Short

Quote from: marie glen on July 11, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Ellen White was a great writer, or so the little bit I've read..

Yes she was, but keep in mind that her theology involved eternal destruction of the wicked.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

jbertonbounds

Quote from: Warhawk17 on July 11, 2013, 04:57:10 AM
Why not? God created animals too, and many humans love animals Does God not love the animals he created? For the record, I am not concerned about sharing this truth with people because I feel it is more important to spread the good news that pertains to humans, but I do believe every living creature will be reconciled back to God.

Excellent point! :thumbsup:

jbertonbounds

Opponents of UR often make the latter claim about humans, saying that God will make a new earth with new human creations who have been spiritually born again and physically resurrected (and in this way reconcile humanity in general) but not every human who has ever lived will be saved.

What are your thoughts about this?
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Don't see it that way.

jbertonbounds

I'm just worried about how many gnats there's gonna be! :eek:

Lazarus Short

Quote from: jbertonbounds on July 11, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
I'm just worried about how many gnats there's gonna be! :eek:

The gnats will not bother you in the new earth, and neither will the flies, ticks, mosquitoes, spiders, or snakes...
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus

jbertonbounds

Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: jbertonbounds on July 11, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
I'm just worried about how many gnats there's gonna be! :eek:

The gnats will not bother you in the new earth, and neither will the flies, ticks, mosquitoes, spiders, or snakes...

:banana:

marie glen

Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: marie glen on July 11, 2013, 03:55:24 PM
Ellen White was a great writer, or so the little bit I've read..

Yes she was, but keep in mind that her theology involved eternal destruction of the wicked.

Absolutely! :iagree: ..but that is one step up from eternal torture :gsmile:
..also, I'm not sure but I think there may also be a bit of "law" with "grace" to be saved?? Of course that's in a lot of other denominations also..
Won't it be great when all believers (and eventually all people) believe and understand only Truth?! :banana: :dsunny:

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marie glen

Quote from: micah7:9 on July 11, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 06:32:31 AM
I keep saying this:  If not all are saved, how can God ever be All in all?

Absolutely  :iagree:  :dsunny:

Me too!  :iagree: :dsunny: Especially if there's a huge torture pit somewhere!! :LH:
"I will draw ALL to Me." [Jesus, Jn.12:32] Written in the pattern of the Holy Days? an image - https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com
Enter The Story Annual Reading Schedule ~ https://inner-monastery.blogspot.com/p/daily.html

jbertonbounds

Quote from: marie glen on July 11, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on July 11, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 06:32:31 AM
I keep saying this:  If not all are saved, how can God ever be All in all?

Absolutely  :iagree:  :dsunny:

Me too!  :iagree: :dsunny: Especially if there's a huge torture pit somewhere!! :LH:

:iagree:

Warhawk17

Quote from: Lazarus Short on July 11, 2013, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: jbertonbounds on July 11, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
I'm just worried about how many gnats there's gonna be! :eek:

The gnats will not bother you in the new earth, and neither will the flies, ticks, mosquitoes, spiders, or snakes...

Ugh I hate mosquitoes. I read a quote somewhere from some theologian that said "God never makes mistakes, but mosquitoes come close." LOL

Lazarus Short

Quote from: marie glen on July 11, 2013, 11:38:29 PM

Absolutely! :iagree: ..but that is one step up from eternal torture :gsmile:
..also, I'm not sure but I think there may also be a bit of "law" with "grace" to be saved?? Of course that's in a lot of other denominations also..
Won't it be great when all believers (and eventually all people) believe and understand only Truth?! :banana: :dsunny:

Among her followers, mostly the Seventh-Day Adventists, there is an undercurrent of legalism and "You should not do that because Sister White said not to."  I say this as an ex-Adventist.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

YHVH = Behold the Nail, Behold the Hand = Jesus