Hey all, I just wrote to a friend who I try to engage in a bit of discourse once in a while and he said I think too much. He says this often so I wrote him this back and I thought some of you might find it helpful when you get confronted with this brush off. Here is what I wrote him.....
Some people say others think too much. They have something against thinking. I open my Bible and I must think. I go to the bathroom and I must think. But now of course some people mean others maybe think about God 'intellectually' too much.
If God shows me something and I share with you, you might say I think too much. That is not thinking, I don't think, is it? It's just passing on information. If someone tells me something then it is not I who 'thunk' it up is it? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
What I think really doesn't matter but what God says does. He has been talking to me again. (He talks to us all, all the time, by the way). He wants us even more free than we think we are. He is showing me quite clearly how He is in total control of everything and everyone. I didn't even have to think about any of this, I just needed to listen. So easy.
Thinking binds, listening to God and sharing is healthy, like a good lake, it has fresh water coming in but it must also have a good outlet.
People are bound by too much thinking on the part of our Pastors/teachers and theologians. Doctrines like 'free will' bind much more than they free. Here's what God told me this morning, I did not ask Him to share this with me but I guess He wanted to. The beauty of it is I didn't even need to think about any of this, it just was 'there' and made total sense. Here it is.............
Free Will, let my people go. (fw=free will)
Were the disciples saved via fw? Jesus said He chose them, not they Him.
Was the prodigal son saved via fw? If things would have went his way and if his money didn't run out and if he could have kept on having fun, would he have been saved? Was it circumstances that brought him to his knees? Who is in control of all circumstances ultimately?
Do dead people choose Jesus? Jesus said to let the dead bury the dead. Was Jesus describing physically living people as dead? You bet your sweet petunias.
We are all in Adam and God said that Adam would die when he ate of the tree and he did and he did and we did. We are all dead and this must mean in a spiritual way because obviously we are alive in the flesh or physical way. Paul said we are dead in our sins in Eph2.5 and Col 2.13.
So, do dead people have fw? I think not.
Who is Jesus talking to when He says to believe in Him? Is He calling the dead to life? Are His words, which are spiritual, bringing life to a dead 'Adam'? Lazarus, come forth................Adam, come forth.............Believe in me/Come forth. Jesus commands life to come from death, He doesn't ask if it wants to or ask it to do something to come alive, He commands and life erupts!
What about the sower sowing seed on the 4 soils? Does the thorny or shallow or hard or even the good soil have fw? To make a proper fw decision we must be able to consider all sides of the proposition. We must have strong capable hearts and minds that are made in the image of God to make it fair in making a decision when an offer is posed to us. If we are in a thorny, shallow or hard way then our final decision will be a product of these conditions.
John said some received Jesus and believed on His name and were born again. Did John say this was all done via fw? John specifically and very clearly said it was not. He said this receiving, believing and being reborn was NOT because of the will of the flesh nor the will of man but of God. Jn1.13 John did not believe in fw. He did believe man has a will but that is very different from believing that man has a free will. John did believe in the power of God, not the power of man (fw).
The whole human race (Adam) is like Lazarus or the dead girl Jesus raised. Jesus is calling life out from among the dead. His Father's creation is coming out of the tomb, rising up from the dead. Amen.
Trust God. He is God, not us.
cp
Claypot,
You write to much :winkgrin:
Just a question (if the chats are religious): Is your friend also an UR?
I ask because people often 'talk to much' if the listner has a different view.
"You think too much" often means "I don't want to think".
My dear WW, now I have to write why I write too much!!!! Not! My buddy is an et'er but he just loves God and really is not into any discussions generally but he has his moments.
lego, I think you are right. Your comment fits the bill.
cp
This is brilliant, really affirming what God has been speaking to me about free will lately. Thank you for sharing. A thought I had was unless you are born again you are in bondage to sin, like a dog returning to its vomit. Its more of a compulsion than a free will choice to sin. Only when the son sets you free and fills you in no a few things will you be able to make informed decisions and have anything even resembling free will. Thanks again for sharing.
Ps I often get told I think to much too!
Do you think too much?
I'm pretty sure we all think too much. Being unable to turn the mind off is a big problem for the human race. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should not think, but we certainly do think excessively and obsessively about things. I reckon that is why the scriptures tell us to bring our thoughts CAPTIVE to the OBEDIENCE of Christ.
Peace -
Anne
__________________________________On Thinking Too Much: An Excerpt from The Power of Now....(I have the book on audio - it is a favorite of mine)
Awakening
One night not long after my twenty-ninth birthday, I woke up in the early hours with a feeling of absolute dread. I had woken up with such a feeling many times before, but this time it was more intense than it had ever been. The silence of the night, the vague outlines of the furniture in the dark room, the distant noise of a passing train – everything felt so alien, so hostile, and so utterly meaningless that it created in me a deep loathing of the world. The most loathsome thing of all, however, was my own existence. What was the point in continuing to live with this burden of misery? Why carry on with this continuous struggle? I could feel that a deep longing for annihilation, for nonexistence, was now becoming much stronger than the instinctive desire to continue to live.
'I cannot live with myself any longer.' This was the thought that kept repeating itself in my mind. Then suddenly I became aware of what a peculiar thought it was. 'Am I one or two? If I cannot live with myself, there must be two of me: the 'I' and the 'self' that 'I' cannot live with.' 'Maybe,' I thought, 'only one of them is real.'
I was so stunned by this strange realization that my mind stopped. I was fully conscious, but there were no more thoughts. Then I felt drawn into what seemed like a vortex of energy. It was a slow movement at first and then accelerated. I was gripped by an intense fear, and my body started to shake. I heard the words 'resist nothing,' as if spoken inside my chest. I could feel myself being sucked into a void. It felt as if the void was inside myself rather than outside. Suddenly, there was no more fear, and I let myself fall into that void. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I was awakened by the chirping of a bird outside the window. I had never heard such a sound before. My eyes were still closed, and I saw the image of a precious diamond. Yes, if a diamond could make a sound, this is what it would be like. I opened my eyes. The first light of dawn was filtering through the curtains. Without any thought, I felt, I knew, that there is infinitely more to light than we realize. That soft luminosity filtering through the curtains was love itself. Tears came into my eyes. I got up and walked around the room. I recognized the room, and yet I knew that I had never truly seen it before. Everything was fresh and pristine, as if it had just come into existence. I picked up things, a pencil, an empty bottle, marvelling at the beauty and aliveness of it all. That day I walked around the city in utter amazement at the miracle of life on earth, as if I had just been born into this world.
Bliss
For the next five months, I lived in a state of uninterrupted deep peace and bliss. After that, it diminished somewhat in intensity, or perhaps it just seemed to because it became my natural state. I could still function in the world, although I realized that nothing I ever did could possibly add anything to what I already had.
Understanding
I knew, of course, that something profoundly significant had happened to me, but I didn't understand it at all. It wasn't until several years later, after I had read spiritual texts and spent time with spiritual teachers, that I realized that what everybody was looking for had already happened to me. I understood that the intense pressure of suffering that night must have forced my consciousness to withdraw from its identification with the unhappy and deeply fearful self, which is ultimately a fiction of the mind. This withdrawal must have been so complete that this false, suffering self immediately collapsed, just as if a plug had been pulled out of an inflatable toy. What was left then was my true nature as the ever-present I am: consciousness in its pure state prior to identification with form. Later I also learned to go into that inner timeless and deathless realm that I had originally perceived as a void and remain fully conscious. I dwelt in states of such indescribable bliss and sacredness that even the original experience I just described pales in comparison. A time came when, for a while, I was left with nothing on the physical plane. I had no relationships, no job, no home, no socially defined identity. I spent almost two years sitting on park benches in a state of the most intense joy.
But even the most beautiful experiences come and go. More fundamental, perhaps, than any experience is the undercurrent of peace that has never left me since then. Sometimes it is very strong, almost palpable, and others can feel it too. At other times, it is somewhere in the background, like a distant melody.
Sharing
Later, people would occasionally come up to me and say: 'I want what you have. Can you give it to me, or show me how to get it?' And I would say: 'You have it already. You just can't feel it because your mind is making too much noise.' That answer later grew into my book, 'The Power of Now'.
- From The Power of Now, copyright 1999 by Eckhart Tolle.
First we have to think the thought, then we have to take the thought captive to Christ.
Conclusion: we think too little. :icon_joker:
P.S.
Claypot,
For the record, I also do not believe we are saved or that we grow via free will. I can remember when I was in terrible spiritual bondage and no amount of thinking, crying or begging brought me out until the sovereign Lord decided to deliver me out of it. I'm still amazed by it.
Anne
p.p.s. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. - Matthew 6:34
I think there comes a point you just have to accept many things rather than think about it.
EG a nice sunset can be enjoyed if you just accept it and look at it.
But if you start thinking about points of light and the atoms that make up the sun and the gases in the sunset sky and start worrying what colour the sun is, you end up 'missing the point'.
Sometimes you just have to enjoy and accept it and give your brain a rest.
Wowzer, all these comments are great. I'm not going to think too much about them but maybe I'll just swim in and around them for a time to try to absorb some of their fruit.
Sometimes I think (oops) the greatest thing about Heaven is and will be that we won't have to deal with all the thinking or wondering we do now. Does get tiring.
cp
Quote from: Molly on November 04, 2009, 11:21:42 PM
First we have to think the thought, then we have to take the thought captive to Christ.
Conclusion: we think too little. :icon_joker:
:cloud9: :thumbsup: OR......we can just think about Christ and push all the other thoughts out. :laughing7:
Neat little story
He that believeth not shall be damned.
NOT
And pray, sir, said the young lady, with great sweetness, Pray, sir what is the unbeliever damned for not believing? Why he is damned for not believing. But, my dear sir, she asked, what was that, which he did not believe, for which he was damned? Why, for not believing in Jesus Christ, to be sure. Do you mean to say that unbelievers are damned for not believing there was such a person as Jesus Christ. No. I do not; a man may believe there was such a person, and yet be damned. What then sir, must he believe, in order to avoid damnation? Why, he must believe that Jesus Christ was the complete Saviour; Well, suppose he were to believe, that Jesus Christ was the complete Saviour of others, (some) would this belief save him? No, he must believe that Jesus Christ is his complete Saviour; every individual must believe for himself that Jesus Christ is his complete Saviour. Why, sir, is Jesus Christ the Saviour of any unbelievers? No madam. Why, then, should any unbeliever believe, that Jesus Christ is his Saviour, if he is not his Saviour? I say he is not the Saviour of any one, until he believes. Then if Jesus be not the Saviour of the unbeliever, until he believes, the unbeliever is called upon to believe a lie. It appears to me, sir, that Jesus is the complete Saviour of unbelievers; and that unbelievers are called upon to believe the truth; and that, by believing they are saved in their own apprehension, saved from all those dreadful fears which are consequent upon a state of conscious condemnation. No, madam; you are dreadfully, I trust not fatally, misled. Jesus never was , never will be, the Saviour of any unbeliever. Do you think Jesus is your Saviour, sir? I hope he is. Were you always a believer sir? No, madam. Then you were once an unbeliever; that is, your once believed that Jesus Christ was NOT your Saviour. Now, as you say, he never will be, the Saviour of any Unbeliever, he never can be your Saviour. He never was my Saviour till I believed. Did he never die for you, till you believed, sir?
ok ok , "think about this little diddle"
The Christian point of view is not unintelligent acceptance, nor is it total dependence on human reason. The Christian point of view was long ago perfectly summed up by Anselm: " I do not seek to understand so that I may believe; rather do I believe that I may understand." The Christian does not begin with what the human intellect has discovered, The Christian begins with what God has revealed. Faith is founded on revealed truth. First, the Christian accepts that which God has revealed; in that revelation he believes by faith. And then, and then only, he applies reason to it, that faith may be a rational understanding of that which has been believed. The Christian mind, the Christian reason does not operate within a vacuum; it operates within the sphere which revelation has provided and upon the material which has not been humanly discovered, but which has been given by God. To put this in another way, Christian thought and Christian experience will go hand and hand. As Anselm had it: " He who has not believed will not experience, and he who has not experienced will not understand; for just as experiencing a thing is better than hearing about it, so knowledge that stems from experience outweighs knowledge derived through hearsay, " So then it is not: " I think and I believe:" It is this combination of divine revelation and human reason which produces the real certainty." Faith is an assumption of what is being expected, a conviction concerning matters which are not being observed, ( L.C.V. of Heb. 11:1 ) A Spiritual Autobiography, p 43-44 by William Barclay supplied by A Rising Son Ministries, Lee Damboise II
Ok People, I was looking hard to find the article to match this thread, and Yes I found it by , J. P. Eby,
Sorry don't mean to flood your thread, but this one is Fantastic
Free Will ???
The Gift of Salvation ! NO POOF
Discover for yourself what Scriptures actually teach about the work of Christ. There is one thing most hold in common: the confidence that man can use his own " Positive Volition" or "Free Will" to accept Christ and get himself "saved" .
More than a century ago a great man of God, A. P. Adams, penned the following: "I wish to add a word further in regard to the Salvation of ALL men, suggested by the following extract which I clipped from one of my exchanges. The extract is as follows: The Rev. B.W. Ward, the popular Boston evangelist, and efficient superintendent of the Bleeker St. Mission. Thus beautifully illustrates the Gift of Salvation: A friend of mine invited me into a jewelry store and asked the clerk for samples of their pocket knives. Placing the price of he best one alongside of it, on the counter, he said, Ward, I want to make you a little present. There's a knife and there is the price of it, make your choice. Take which one you will as a momento from me. ( Just like mike saying with a dollar bill in hand, just reach out and take it.) Now, said the evangelist, whose knife was that while it lay there on the counter? It wasn't mine. It would become mind by my deciding to accept it; but without such an act on my part it was not for me. So of salvation. Jesus has paid the price, but the sinner must decide whether or not he will reach forth and take it before it becomes his.
In this extract it will be seen that the salvation of the individual is made to depend upon his own decision. THE SINNER MUST DECIDE, and as he decides so will his future destiny be to all eternity. Thus ONE'S salvation is practically made to depend on one's self. God and Christ have done or are doing their part and now they simply wait for the sinner's decision. By the way, how long did God wait for the ' decision ' of Saul of Tarsus when [ it pleased God to call him ?] Most people, however, would accept the above extract as a correct presentation of the case, and would assent thereto without any hesitation. But there is a fatal defect in the illustration. The case of the one choosing the knife or {Michael's and Dave's story of the dollar bill } is NOT PARALLEL TO THAT OF THE SINNER CHOOSING SALVATION, because the former has his EYES WIDE OPEN and knows full well the value of what is presented to him for his choice, while the LATTER IS BLINDED, and knoweth not what he does, 'but if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost; in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ ...should shine unto them (II Cor. 4: 3-4 ). " The bible plainly teaches that fallen man is blinded to the truth; the soulical man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned, and the soulical man has not the spirit. This the sinner does not realize and appreciate the value of the salvation that is offered to him. In the first place, he does not know that he is lost, and hence feels no need of salvation. Secondly, this sinner does not know that the salvation offered him in Christ is worth anything. All he has to go by in determining its worth is the lives of those who profess to possess it, and they for the most part, are very deficient illustrations of its merit.
Furthermore the sinner is surrounded by circumstances entirely adverse to his acceptance of Christ. And finally, worse than all, 'the mind of the flesh' a corrupt nature, an 'evil heart of unbelief,' a body of death,' that leans toward the BAD and opposes the good continually: and mark you, all these things are circumstances over which the individual has NO control and for which he is NOT to blame. "Again, mark you, that if he overcomes these unfavorable circumstances and in spite of them does accept Christ, it must be by some power OUTSIDE OF HIMSELF, for in himself he would never have any power for his own deliverance. This is the teaching of the 7th chapter of Romans. God must deliver him if he is delivered at ALL he must bring him to the knowledge of his lost condition, so that he will feel his need of a Saviour, and he must give him repentance and faith. God must open his eyes so that he shall not only see the need, but also the priceless value of salvation, that like the apostle Paul, he will be willing to count all things but dross for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus his Lord.
" And he must be endowed with power to overcome the evil around and within him. ALL this help must come from God, and must be imparted to the sinner before he can make the slightest movement toward salvation. Are there any such elements as these in the case of the man choosing the knife? Is it not plain that that illustration and the case of the sinner are NOT PARALLEL at all? And yet just such illustrations are constantly presented as setting forth exactly the case of the sinner in "his" choice or rejection of salvation in Christ! The fact is there are many factors to be taken into account in the regeneration and new creation of a human being. It is not such a small matter as picking up a little present that a friend passes over to you. Hence these illustrations are very faulty and misleading " -----------end quote.
When addressing the unsaved, an evangelist often drew an analogy between Gods sending the gospel to the sinner, and a sick man in bed, with some healing medicine on a table by his side; all he needs to do is reach forth his hand and take it, ( like Michael's or Dave's dollar bill story ) But in order for this illustration to be in any wise true to the picture which scriptures gives us of the fallen and deprived sinner, the sick man in bed must be described as one who is Blind(Eph. 4:18),so that he can not see the medicine, his hand paralyzed(Rom.5:6) so that he is unable to reach forth for it, and his heart not only devoid of all confidence in the medicine but filled with hatred against the physician himself (Jn. 15:18 ). Oh, what superficial views of man's desperate plight are not entertained!
Christ come here NOT to help those who were willing to help themselves, or even those willing to be helped, but to do for people what they were incapable of doing for them selves: "to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house". (Isa. 42:7)
Some one will ask, "will God save men eventually against their will?" The answer is NO ! He will have no need to do that, for ALL men will be 100% willing when God reveals Himself to them. Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped, and the doors of the prison house shall be opened. We have only to consider the case of Saul of Tarsus to understand the miraculous power of the Lord to change the leopard's spots and melt the heart of stone. {new-cov.Jer 31:31 or Ez.36:26-27 ). There are those who suppose that God could not convert a soul unless that depraved and lost soul gives to almighty God that permission. ( NOT ). I only wish they would ask the Apostle Paul, that Great despiser of Christ and hater of His church, that persecutor of Christians, who while on his way to Damascus was suddenly cast to the ground and converted (turned ). No man was ever more hateful toward Christ than was Saul of Tarsus, yet, when his turn came (to see the light), he changed in an instant, crying out in fear and trembling and with bitter repentance, "Who art thou, Lord? " and "What will thou have me do ?" Did God ask Saul of Tarsus whether or not he wanted to be saved ?, or did He say to Ananias, "He is a chosen vessel unto me to bear My name before the gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel" (Acts 9:15 ) It is only God who can change the human heart, and when God wills to change every single human heart in earth and in hell, each will be changed in an INSTANT (Twinkle ).
Jer,31:31-34 Plus Ez.36:26-27
Behold, the days come, saith the lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their "hearts"; and will be their God, and they shall be my people, 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, Saying, know the Lord: for they shall ALL know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their inquity, and I will remember their sin ( singular ) no more. EZ. 36: 26-27 says, A new heart also will I give you, and 'ALL'. a new spirit will I put WITHIN YOU: and I will take away the stony heart out of you 'flesh' and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit WITHIN you, and CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, and ye shall keep my judgments, and DO THEM...29 And I will save you from ALL your uncleannesses, ( Sin ). Can you understand ALL This....?
Taken from the book "Saviour of the world series" By J. Preston Eby Just What Do You Mean " Man is a Free Moral Agent! Typed by Lee Damboise II,
Thinking is the property of no individual, but is the thought of all men.
Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? (http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/598/598177mfq1klde2l.gif) (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
I have come to a realization (with assistance) that I have not thought ENOUGH about what I was taught to believe.
As I stated in my thread in the 'Welcome/New Members' section, I was brought up in a very Calvinistic home and church, where I was told what to believe and I never really questioned it outwardly. I had a lot of inner turmoil and questions for years but never had the courage to voice them out of fear of being told I was having unreasonable evil thoughts, even in my time in bible school. I decided that it was too much for me to think about and gave up on God for about 10 years, thinking that He was going to do what He wanted to whether I wanted a say in it or not, so I gave up on going to church, only praying when I was in desperation for something, giving very little of my time to Him.
It's only been the past year where these thoughts have been brought back up to the surface and I finally have the courage to voice them and find answers to my questions, much to the dismay of my family, when God brought someone into my life that ENCOURAGED me to think about why I believe what I do (an answer to a specific prayer as I was tired of living as I was, feeling numb and dead inside). I even had a moment with my dad in church one day when I flew home for a visit this past spring where the church had a survey on what people actually believed, and with my dad sitting beside me, he TOLD me what to circle and fill in to hand in, even though it wasn't what I believed anymore. I quietly asked him 'What if I don't agree with that?' and I just got a look of 'You'd better NOT disagree with what I'm telling you to answer.' It made me feel ill, I was actually QUESTIONING what I had been brought up to believe and standing up to it in the place and by the person that had been teaching me God all my life.
I personally haven't thought enough for myself in my life when it comes to God and Jesus. I'm starting to think about it now though, and it feels both scary and freeing at the same time.
:mblush:
Quote from: Syndicated on November 05, 2009, 07:33:43 AM
I have come to a realization (with assistance) that I have not thought ENOUGH about what I was taught to believe.
I personally haven't thought enough for myself in my life when it comes to God and Jesus. I'm starting to think about it now though, and it feels both scary and freeing at the same time.
:mblush:
:cloud9: It's just you beginning to "walk on the water", and it IS both scary and freeing at the same time. Just keep pressing in and keep looking to Him and His "image" will become clearer, cause as you draw nigh unto Him (on the water) He will draw nigh unto you. The hardest part is getting out of the boat that everyone around you is in, to follow HIM! Blessings.....
Of course it's scary. Looking inward should be... if we are honest with ourselves we spend more time hiding what's inward than exposing it.
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
syndicated,
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The reason I make a reading assignment is that IT gave me the fuel to answer those love ones in my life with the facts.
QuoteIt's only been the past year where these thoughts have been brought back up to the surface and I finally have the courage to voice them and find answers to my questions, much to the dismay of my family, when God brought someone into my life that ENCOURAGED me to think about why I believe what I do (an answer to a specific prayer as I was tired of living as I was, feeling numb and dead inside).
Hi Synd ,
You are being honest about how you feel inside that is a good start .
We all pretty much start this way , speaking for myself , this is exactly how I felt as you described above .
When we do feel empty and dark inside , to me this is God's Spirit dealing with us , letting us know that we need to be filled with Gods love , nothing else seems to satisfy like Him
I went ahead and experimented with everything the world offered and yet still felt empty inside and dark which only added to my inner turmoil and misery , those days were just wishing I had never been born to be honest with you .
Honest and complete Sincerty , even if your mad or sad ,seems to be the only thing that the Lord willl continue to deal with us ,as we keep going though every possible emotion the soul can be capable of feeling inside .
It was a breakthough one day , as for us all I believe and yours sis will come as well when we actually do feel His presence and love and it is the most wonderful , glorious thing ever , before or since that can happen to a poor but precious soul on this eath ..
I am so sorry we got off to a bad start sis ,
and hope you can find it in your heart for peace . we do care for you
as the Lord does always and declares in His Word :HeartThrob: rose
QuoteHonest and complete Sincerty , even if your mad or sad ,seems to be the only thing that the Lord willl continue to deal with us
I don't believe this is true at all. In act it goes against the fact that God has already included without stipulation. If I need to be........(anything) it's not from God. All I need is Jesus dead 2000 years ago and that was already done. There is a cooperation, absolutley. If I have the car keys in my pocket and still look for them it does not remove that I have the car keys.
Syndicate, you are already included in all fullness. There is nothing that is being held back you are completely saturated with everything He has and is. Simply, you don't "access" these things simply because you don't know about them. If you are at a huge banquet and can't see the end of the table how are you expected to eat from the items you aren't aware of.
The longer you are in relationship with a person the move unveiling takes place, the same is true for God. Not for one instance will hold back, even if you lie! He is for you, and your dishonesty will not stop Him, heck... He expects you to lie and sin all over the place. That's why He sent Jesus. A dog barks, a cat meows and a sinner sins. Just be yourself, be true to yourself not out of requirement but because it is a profitable means for good.
Dallas, that above has blown me away, it was so simple.
Quote from: Dallas on November 05, 2009, 07:47:53 PM
QuoteHonest and complete Sincerty , even if your mad or sad ,seems to be the only thing that the Lord willl continue to deal with us
I don't believe this is true at all. In act it goes against the fact that God has already included without stipulation. If I need to be........(anything) it's not from God. All I need is Jesus dead 2000 years ago and that was already done. There is a cooperation, absolutley. If I have the car keys in my pocket and still look for them it does not remove that I have the car keys.
Syndicate, you are already included in all fullness. There is nothing that is being held back you are completely saturated with everything He has and is. Simply, you don't "access" these things simply because you don't know about them. If you are at a huge banquet and can't see the end of the table how are you expected to eat from the items you aren't aware of.
The longer you are in relationship with a person the move unveiling takes place, the same is true for God. Not for one instance will hold back, even if you lie! He is for you, and your dishonesty will not stop Him, heck... He expects you to lie and sin all over the place. That's why He sent Jesus. A dog barks, a cat meows and a sinner sins. Just be yourself, be true to yourself not out of requirement but because it is a profitable means for good.
You totally dont get my speech at all do you Dallas ?
I am telling you now .
it takes us a long time to BELIEVE/OBEY that which you have just wrote .
you think because you have that kind of peace everyone else has it too ?
Yes we are in it all of Gods love and work though Jesus CHrist , our work is to just simply believe / obey it !
believe me that is, oh so much easier said than done ......
some never experience it in this life
some have it as you do ,
Did it come easy to you ?
It did not come so easy for me or many as I .
fear is real , you may say it is unfounded fear , but it still is an emotion that keeps us prisoner with our own boundries .
to finally Know and accept the Love of God fully and completely
is a rare thing in this life /age
Paul was an excellent example of speaking of this kind of fear and wavering faith , he does go on to explain it better in other passages but , to have that perfect peace at all times is not something i know either , just being honest here .
Phl 3:12 Not as though I had already attained,
either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus
just my :2c: and :HeartThrob:
QuoteTrust God. He is God, not us.
cp
So Sorry cp , I read your post and all of them here on this thread
it was a blessing to get to read it and grasp it .. :thumbsup:
:HeartThrob: Hoepfully the same unity of faith will come
Quote from: rosered on November 05, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
QuoteTrust God. He is God, not us.
cp
So Sorry cp , I read your post and all of them here on this thread
it was a blessing to get to read it and grasp it .. :thumbsup:
:HeartThrob: Hoepfully the same unity of faith will come
rose, what are you sorry about? I'm confused. You have always been a light to me.
Thanks though, I'm glad you read my words.
I am just seeing so clearly that we are a Lazuras being called out of the tomb. We are going from Adam to Jesus. We experience growing pains/birth pains. We will make it!
cp
Quote from: claypot on November 05, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
Quote from: rosered on November 05, 2009, 09:14:52 PM
QuoteTrust God. He is God, not us.
cp
So Sorry cp , I read your post and all of them here on this thread
it was a blessing to get to read it and grasp it .. :thumbsup:
:HeartThrob: Hoepfully the same unity of faith will come
rose, what are you sorry about? I'm confused. You have always been a light to me.
Thanks though, I'm glad you read my words.
I am just seeing so clearly that we are a Lazuras being called out of the tomb. We are going from Adam to Jesus. We experience growing pains/birth pains. We will make it!
cp
awesome CP ,
You made my day bro! amen !! Lazarus ''whom God helps''!
I just remember they/ the self righteous by works of the law
tried to kill him / Lazarus too !!
John 12:10 :HeartThrob:
my apology was for getting ''off topic'' again :mblush: in previous posts..
:cloud9: You're both making my day! :girlheart:
Quote from: Cardinal on November 05, 2009, 11:53:55 PM
:cloud9: You're both making my day! :girlheart:
Sista Card , you have some pretty wonderful stuff your sharing , I have been soaking it all in :cloud9:
love it , Love Gods ways and His children :HeartThrob: