Did you know that God "HIMSELF" bury moses in the ground after he died
That's how much he love all of us, he bury moses because moses couldn't touch the promised land and it pain God
This is what I see in my mind what it look like:
Moses look on his people walking into the promised land, while God himself standing next to Moses, "You will, Moses, just not now until i return" said God, putting his hand on Moses's shoulder to ease his fear of losing his life and dying, as Moses dying (God cry) Moses ask, "Will you save me from destruction?" as Moses's eye heavy into sleeping, God answer, "Don't worry, I already have, I love you and the moment you sleep, you will wake up in just a second, while I must wait for you"
moses die, God cry bitter and bury him himself
That how God love us all. how touching....
Did you know that moses and his elected preists came up to the mountain sinai and sit with God "himself" and alugh and eating like a picnic! seriously!
God also buried Moses so that his bones wouldn't be turned into occultic relics between then and when He raised him from the dead at the time of the ascension of Elijah. They were worshipping the serpent on a pole and had to have that image destroyed decades later. What would they have done with the transfigured remains of the man who had seen Jesus Christ in New Jerusalem when he stood with Elijah, Peter, James, and John in the holy mountain while he was receiving the Law? If they worshipped the serpent on the pole the way that our generation does today where the altar of medical science is concerned, then what would they have done with the glow in the dark remains of the man who committed the Hebrews 10 sin by striking the rock in the wilderness twice?
Like the shadow of Peter, the prayer cloths of St. Paul, and the hem of the garment of Christ Jesus they'd of been getting into some serious sorcery with a body that had that much of God's glory on it while their hearts weren't right! Imagine what the shadow of Moses' body would have done if they could have put it at the end of their magic wands? If the bones of Elisha raised a man from the dead, then what havoc could someone with an impure heart have done with the remains of Moses that had absorbed sooo much more of the power of God during his lifetime?? Evil people would have loved to have had Moses' garments! God was protecting people so that pagan fools wouldn't destroy this whole universe!!
Quotewhen he stood with Elijah, Peter, James, and John in the holy mountain while he was receiving the Law?
What do you mean by this? That all those were on Mt. Sinai with Moses?
Quote from: martincisneros on April 06, 2009, 03:21:32 AM
God was protecting people so that pagan fools wouldn't destroy this whole universe!!
What do you mean?
They were all in New Jerusalem rather than on Mt. Sinai. Jesus, Peter, James, and John might have started on Mt. Tabor as some of the scholars will insist, but 2Peter 1 says they were in the holy mountain, i.e. Mt. Zion. When God moved Moses to the cleft of the rock, He didn't just move him over about 3 inches so that God's big butt could squeeze on to the same ledge on the mountain Moses had climbed. The Hebrew for Moses seeing God's back rather than His face is that Moses was looking over His Shoulder into the future. Or in other words, that's when he saw the transfiguration of Christ 'cause then he walked back down the mountain with Christ's glory and had to be veiled.
Quote from: sparrow on April 06, 2009, 03:28:58 AM
What do you mean?
Moses body after experiencing that much of the glory of God in that kind of a pagan world context was basically the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. God didn't kill the man that tried to steady the ark when David was bringing the ark back to Jerusalem. That thing had essentially become a battery, just like a prayer cloth, the hem of Jesus' garment, etc. The Scriptures differentiate between the Anointed and the Anointing that flows from Him. In layman's terms, there's the Ghost and the ectoplasm. That body of Moses was no longer the normal everyday expectation of someone that does autopsies. Michael contended for it with the devil in Jude's epistle, likely when it was time for his ascension at the time of Elijah's. Perhaps the war waged during the whole time that Moses' body was dead.
Quote from: martincisneros on April 06, 2009, 03:31:43 AM
They were all in New Jerusalem rather than on Mt. Sinai. Jesus, Peter, James, and John might have started on Mt. Tabor as some of the scholars will insist, but 2Peter 1 says they were in the holy mountain, i.e. Mt. Zion. When God moved Moses to the cleft of the rock, He didn't just move him over about 3 inches so that God's big butt could squeeze on to the same ledge on the mountain Moses had climbed. The Hebrew for Moses seeing God's back rather than His face is that Moses was looking over His Shoulder into the future. Or in other words, that's when he saw the transfiguration of Christ 'cause then he walked back down the mountain with Christ's glory and had to be veiled.
wow.
I also had the revelation that God was playing with time--also when he showed Moses the promise land. Something like this is going on there--for sure.
Something very spectacular is happening with the transfiguration--with time and space being somehow collapsed.
:cloud9: Martin, I don't remember exactly the words, it's been too long since that study, but God showed me the same thing many years ago. The word for backside ran into the "back" of the tabernacle, ie. the Holy of Holies, which is the 7th day, which is Christ, so He did show Him the future. :thumbsup: Blessings....
How I love these spiritual gems! Thanks brothers and sisters!
:cloud9: Molly, think about it this way for a sec. Time is the measurement of death He told me; something (in this case God; He lowered Himself into His creation by forming it, which is a type of death) had to die to create time. So One who overcame death would in fact, be master of time also, as time would no longer have a hold over them. It would be the same thing with space (matter) that was created.
I think there would either have to be a "door" of Spirit on some level in literally everything of matter (sorta like His signature or mark), for such a One to walk thru, or everything would have to "bow" (collapse) at His appearing in "front" of them. There's a spiritual principle hidden in there somewhere, that He's just not allowed us to see yet.
The man who God first led me to, the man in my childhood dream/vision who became a mentor to me for awhile, was once seen in two different towns at the same time, ministering. He had such a unique appearance with his white shocks of hair around his ears, that it is unlikely he was mistaken for anyone else. He always just felt God had taken him in the Spirit (not subject to time) and ministered to someone that needed it. Blessings...
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that reminds me of something He told me long ago
He said...there would never be a door shut on me that
another would not be opened.
Also to me this speaks of us not ever being trapped in futility
and with deliverance from any 'place' we may be...by Him
who says...I shut and no-one can open..what I open no-one
can shut, see...I place before you an open door.
also the gates of death not prevailing comes to mind
:cloud9: Amen Sheila, I can see how all that you said here would apply as well. In a sense, each revelation that comes to us, opens another "door", too. Blessings....
:cloud9: As soon as I posted this, He brought it back to me about the dream/vision He gave me to show me how UNwilling I was to be lowered and come here. In it, I hid behind a silver DOOR with a silver knob. Blessings....
Hey Card
I don't think any of else were 'willingly' subjected to this
vanity. While I have not been given a vision of when I was
sent down, I know that I had the sense that I didn't like it.
I remember crying about it as a small child..thinking...and
calling out to Him, "there's been some kind of mistake, I don't
like it down here, I don;t belong down here,how did this
happen?"
I don't think Jesus willed to 'take on the curse' either..
For He prayed,My Father,if it is possible may this cup be
taken from me.Yet, not as I will but as you will"
:cloud9: Yeah, I can relate; that was my cry in my dream/vision He gave me when I was around 10. I kept saying, "You can't leave me here, I don't belong here!" But when I woke up, I thought then and all the years until He revealed Himself to me, what the heck? Why would I say I don't belong here? I had by age 10 already completely forgotten. I think this is where we receive a spirit of forgetfulness.
I know in that silver door dream/vision, I had KNOWN what we were made out of there, and it was 2 things, but I was not allowed in the dream/vision to consciously remember as in revelation/quickening, what they were. I felt that if I had been allowed to remember, that it would have initiated the change back into whatever we were, perhaps. Isn't He just amazing with the things He does? Blessings...
Jesus still had to activate the curse coming into his own life by faith, the way that anybody else does that's not subject to it in His Name. Yeah, I remember requesting to come to the earth to be redeemed as well.
So, we are firstborn in heaven..then subjected to death
unwillingly. And Jesus is the firstborn raised from the dead
.Phpns 2;6 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ
Jesus. Who BEING in very nature God,did not consider
equality with God something to be grasped, but made hiself
nothing, taking the very nature of a servant,being made in
human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself
and became obediant to death- even death on a cross.
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him
the name that is above evry name
just laying some thoughts out here...
so when we find ourselves as a servant. In the form of man
the distinction would be..a wicked servant versus a faithful
servant.the wicked servant to turn from wickedness
yet we know a servant is not a heir..and does not remain in
the household forever, but a son remains in the household
forever.
Also we have this; I will show mercy unto him as a Father
shows mercy on his son that serves him.
also, Abraham having no son and a servant was to inherit,
and God speaking of the promised seed[son] and that
Abraham would become the father of many nations...as
numerous as the sands of the sea and the stars of heaven
Also Israel is my firstborn son, and my servant ,Isreal.
:cloud9: Sheila I just heard everything you said as either our spirit (that which was lowered into corruption) or our flesh (corruption). Blessings....
I thought Michael, not God took care of Moses' body when he died (see Jude 1:9).
no, it was in exodus at the end of the chapter
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:28:14 PM
no, it was in exodus at the end of the chapter
Chapter and verse please?
Quote from: Tony N on April 06, 2009, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:28:14 PM
no, it was in exodus at the end of the chapter
Chapter and verse please?
oops not exodus....heh it's Dueteronomy 34: 5-6
Quote from: martincisneros on April 06, 2009, 03:31:43 AM
They were all in New Jerusalem rather than on Mt. Sinai. Jesus, Peter, James, and John might have started on Mt. Tabor as some of the scholars will insist, but 2Peter 1 says they were in the holy mountain, i.e. Mt. Zion. When God moved Moses to the cleft of the rock, He didn't just move him over about 3 inches so that God's big butt could squeeze on to the same ledge on the mountain Moses had climbed. The Hebrew for Moses seeing God's back rather than His face is that Moses was looking over His Shoulder into the future. Or in other words, that's when he saw the transfiguration of Christ 'cause then he walked back down the mountain with Christ's glory and had to be veiled.
exellent Martin :thumbsup:
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: Tony N on April 06, 2009, 10:32:23 PM
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:28:14 PM
no, it was in exodus at the end of the chapter
Chapter and verse please?
oops not exodus....heh it's Dueteronomy 34: 5-6
I see, here it is:
Deu 34:5-6 Moses, the servant of Yahweh, died there in the country of Moab at the bidding of Yahweh. (6) Then He entombed him in a ravine in the country of Moab opposite Beth-peor. And no man knows his tomb until this day.
But I wonder if "He entombed him" means He did it through the means of Michael just as in Job it is said God brought all the evil on Job where after all God used intermediaries to bring the evil on Job?
nah, the "he" is God himself, just like in mountain sinai where moses and his elected priest elders sitting with God, (they saw his feet on sapphire floor, something like that)
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
nah, the "he" is God himself, just like in mountain sinai where moses and his elected priest elders sitting with God, (they saw his feet on sapphire floor, something like that)
When David numbered Israel it is stated that Satan made him number Israel and in another place it is stated God made David number Israel. So even though Satan made him number Israel, the buck stops with God because God made Satan make David do the dastardly deed.
Quote from: Tony N on April 06, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
nah, the "he" is God himself, just like in mountain sinai where moses and his elected priest elders sitting with God, (they saw his feet on sapphire floor, something like that)
When David numbered Israel it is stated that Satan made him number Israel and in another place it is stated God made David number Israel. So even though Satan made him number Israel, the buck stops with God because God made Satan make David do the dastardly deed.
Did you also know that moses and his 70 elders of israel having a picnic with God, God "himself" sit with them, drank and ate! I AM NOT JOKING, God doesn't even hurt them! read Exodus 24: 9-11
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:56:43 PM
Quote from: Tony N on April 06, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
nah, the "he" is God himself, just like in mountain sinai where moses and his elected priest elders sitting with God, (they saw his feet on sapphire floor, something like that)
When David numbered Israel it is stated that Satan made him number Israel and in another place it is stated God made David number Israel. So even though Satan made him number Israel, the buck stops with God because God made Satan make David do the dastardly deed.
Did you also know that moses and his 70 elders of israel having a picnic with God, God "himself" sit with them, drank and ate! I AM NOT JOKING, God doesn't even hurt them! read Exodus 24: 9-11
I know. If God would have touched Moses' dead body He would have been unclean according to His own law.
Jesus the most perfect lamb touch alot sinners
there is no law against love
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 11:08:16 PM
Jesus the most perfect lamb touch alot sinners
Did He touch the dead while they were dead? :bigGrin:
which is why I believe God did bury moses out of love, and however it true God is holy but it doesn't make sense if God touch us make him unclean since Jesus said we have the holy spirit (which is God himself also) So if the holy spirit touch us and come to us inside ourseleve make them unclean? doesn't add it up...
Quote from: IceDash on April 06, 2009, 11:16:05 PM
which is why I believe God did bury moses out of love, and however it true God is holy but it doesn't make sense if God touch us make him unclean since Jesus said we have the holy spirit (which is God himself also) So if the holy spirit touch us and come to us inside ourseleve make them unclean? doesn't add it up...
Thanks for the thoughts IceDash.
I don't think we are unclean. We are saved and justified and made righteous through Christ's blood.
Tit 2:14 "Who gives Himself for us, that He should be redeeming us from all lawlessness and be cleansing for Himself a people to be about Him, zealous for ideal acts."
But I know what you mean. It is just that in the Old Testament when it is stated that God did this or that He often uses intermediaries. He still does it, but through someone else. But that's cool if you believe God buried Moses.
Hi Brothers,
Father does fulfill his spiritual law in love. Death has no hold
on Him, but when He does touch death willingly,death is no
more.
in other words...the plague of death does not cling to Him..
for HE IS DEATHS PLAGUE
Hosea 13;14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave
I will redeem them from death. O'death I will be thy plagues
O'grave I will be thy destruction. I WILL HAVE NO COMPASSION
[just as deaths plagues show no compassion,so shall God
show no compassion to death,He will totaly obliterate it]
I was on vacation when this conversation took place . . .would have loved to have been in it when it was going on . . .it's a great line of thought.
I see it just a bit differently as to what Moses saw . . first, he wanted to see God's face and God said no . . .and I think . . .as near as I could follow what was being said on this . .I think I agree that this is a dimensional truth and that if Moses were to be able to see God's face, that would place Moses "ahead" of God. It's kind of like as I walk, the things in front of me are things ahead of me, they are places I have not yet been. So for Moses to see God's face, Moses would have to first be where God has never been, thus, that would make it impossible for Moses to see the face.
But God allowed him to see his "hinderparts". Actually it "says" back parts . . .but the definition says "hinder" parts. And what you're saying is, the mount of transfiguration is the back parts . . .but in all due respect, I don't see the revelation being the back parts there, but the face . .the identity of the nature of who Jesus really is . . .Moses and Elijah are the two other elements of the three that were hidded "in" the ark. If you look at the whole picture there. . . the two cherubim faced each other . .eye-to-eye and in their unity, God's presence "resided".
In the ark were the elements of the law, the prophets and the manna . . .Moses represented the law, Elijah represented the prophets and Christ represented the manna . . .those three things combined were not the backparts of God . .they were the heart of God. Again, this is just my pov . . .
So . . in that light, for me, the back parts of God are things that God had already done. It's beleived that Moses is the one that recorded the first 5 books . . . which means that he had to see them in order to write them . . .I believe this incident in Exodus 33 was when God revealed to Moses the things he'd done . . .his back parts. Rather than fast forward him thousands of years ahead of time, he took him back to the beginning . . .and being there, he recorded what he saw and heard.
In reading this passage over again, I can't help but notice the order of things that happened that "allowed" Moses to see anything at all. God planted him "upon a rock".
God put Moses "on" the rock . . .and as his glory was passing by, God slipped Moses "in" the Rock. It reminds me of when Jesus described the Holy Ghost to the disciples . .telling them that currently, his spirit was "with" them, but soon, his spirit would be "in" them. Interesting pattern there.
Exodus 33
20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.