Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are often signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
The best cure to date for these maladies is to take the truth of Universal Reconciliation.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Remember that Universal Reconciliation might not be for everyone so ask you pastor if UR is right for you.
Tony Nungesser
http://saviourofall.org
Quote from: Tony N on January 20, 2009, 02:49:25 PM
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are often signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
The best cure to date for these maladies is to take the truth of Universal Reconciliation.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Remember that Universal Reconciliation migt be for everyone so ask you pastor if UR is right for you.
Tony Nungesser
http://saviourofall.org
I am very new to the idea of UR, and I have gone from first feeling great joy and peace, to being depressed and angry, to now being cautiously optimistic. If this UR doctrine be true, I cannot stop its progress in overtaking my every thought, and leading me to a great sense of peace and purpose as a Christian.
S
Quote from: Tony N on January 20, 2009, 02:49:25 PM
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are often signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
The best cure to date for these maladies is to take the truth of Universal Reconciliation.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Remember that Universal Reconciliation migt be for everyone so ask you pastor if UR is right for you.
Tony Nungesser
http://saviourofall.org
:cloud9: I get it Tony.....funny one..... :laughing7:
Hiya,
I do understanding the humour in mirroring a prescription drug commercial with the knowledge of the Truth.
It did make me smile TonyN.
Quote from: Tony N on January 20, 2009, 02:49:25 PM
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are often signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
The best cure to date for these maladies is to take the truth of Universal Reconciliation.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Remember that Universal Reconciliation migt be for everyone so ask you pastor if UR is right for you.
Tony Nungesser
http://saviourofall.org
Though it made me smile, because I can see what you are trying to accomplish.
I disagree with your advice.
If you feel irritable, depressed or angry, it is because you continue to set your mind on the things of men and not the things of God.
If you feel irritable, depressed or angry, renew your mind by the washing of the Word and focus your eyes on He who saved all mankind, especially those who believe.
The Joy of the Lord is our strength.
The Joy of the Lord encompasses the entire knowledge of the truth, and not just one aspect.
If you are irritable, depressed and angry, it means you have forgotten how to love and have stopped loving one another for quite sometime.
The knowledge can only reveal a good life, it cannot sustain a good life, faith activated through love is the only course of action.
Only then will the knowledge of the truth be truly revealed.
:boyheart: :girlheart:
Hiya
I do not find depression and mourning are the same thing.
mourn⋅ing
noun
1. the act of a person who mourns; sorrowing or lamentation.
2. the conventional manifestation of sorrow for a person's death, esp. by the wearing of black clothes or a black armband, the hanging of flags at half-mast, etc.
3. the outward symbols of such sorrow, as black garments.
4. the period or interval during which a person grieves or formally expresses grief, as by wearing black garments.
–adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or used in mourning.
de⋅pressed
1. Low in spirits; dejected.
2. Suffering from psychological depression.
When a family member of mine passed away, I was in mourning but I was far from depressed.
If you are looking for a fight, then do please continue to manipulate what I said and please continue to be unreasonable in your understanding.
:cloud9: :HeartThrob:
:2c: :2c:
P.S. I am sorry you lost a child, I understand the pain of losing a loved one especially at such a young age.
mourning can lead to depression though.
A time and a season for everything. We are affected by these seasons. And we change "with" them. And as we change, it's most effective that we embrace the process . .including the pain of it. Not that we embrace pain, but that we embrace the process, knowing that through the pain, joy always awaits us on the other side of it all. When you hurt "with" me in my hurting, you become healing ointment to my pain. Once the pain subsides, then we both can rejoice together. When two have one heart, that which is divided and broken, can mend and be stronger than before it was broken
Hiya Nathan,
Thanks for making that clear.
That is what I was referring to concerning being irritable, depressed and angry.
The knowledge of universal salvation for all mankind will not cure anyone of being irritable, depressed or angry.
:icon_king: :icon_queen:
Thanks for the clarification.
Talking about losing a loved one, especially ones own child, did not appear to me that you intended it to be light hearted.
So you can understand my misunderstanding of your intention.
:HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
Hiya,
Thanks for clarifying.
Sticking to the subject at hand then.
Are you are saying that the knowledge of universal salvation, cured you of your mourning?
:dontknow: :sigh:
Quote from: Tony N on January 20, 2009, 02:49:25 PM
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are often signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
The best cure to date for these maladies is to take the truth of Universal Reconciliation.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Remember that Universal Reconciliation migt be for everyone so ask you pastor if UR is right for you.
Tony Nungesser
http://saviourofall.org
Im afraid not very everyone T ...if yove ever lived for many a season in some kind of pain or another, day after day,you dont always feel like jumping throu a Hoop .
:icon_flower:
Dear responders,
Me thinks yer funny bone got unfunny. Lighten up friends. It was meant to be light hearted, not meant to be some deep theological thesis.
(Typed this prior to your last post)
Obviously, there are many more layers to life...including clinical depression and mourning...which are by definition, 2 very different things. Clinical depression being often a genetically inherited predisposition to brain chemical and electrical imbalances, then triggered by stressors. Mourning, something we all go through with painful loss, which doesn't usually turn into depression, especially if we're not predisposed to it. In G's case, constant stress, especially chronic pain, takes an extreme toll on our energy levels and our resources and ability to manage at "normal", pre-trauma levels. THIS IS TRUE AND PERSONAL FOR MANY OF US, ALTHOUGH, ADMITTEDLY DRY, CLINICAL STUFF :thumbdown:. (Apologize, comes from 25 years in the behavioral health field :mshock:.)
Anyway, Tony, in the limited context of which I believe you intended, I get it, and :thumbsup: on the 'joke' :happygrin:. I was thinking of answering your OP with "only when I'm breathing/or awake" :laughing7:.
Probably, and he probably could have used it...unless it was all situational and/or spiritual, then it might not have helped. I haven't studied it enough...do you think David was clinically depressed, or "just" had a lot of "issues"? I'd guess mostly the latter :dontknow:.
Or maybe he believed in ET (just kidding).
Hey Kim I recall those drugs they perscribed you...they nearly killed ya....ive seen More quacks than I care to remember , to some Im grateful and to others..well, id say from experience theyd be better off, along with the patients ,choosing another profession cos some are ...........
If clinical depression isn't involved, then typically meds shouldn't be prescribed for grief...it can mask the symptoms, inhibiting the person from working through the grief effectively, which then of course, only makes things worse. There are a lot of docs though (especially regular family docs, that don't know a lot about psychotropic meds to begin with) that do prescribe meds for about anything, appropriate or not :thumbdown:.
Hi , I was not going to jump into this lol..
but you are right many times when we are struggling with the Lord Spirit in us a doctor would call it depression and give you a pill
it has happened to me
the comfort I got was the Lord opening up Davids psalms and was a living hell to be weaned off of Prozac after being on it for sevearl years for my depression and hyper activity disorder as a child , I felt alot of guilt and abnormal and evil to God how could I ever approach this Throne of Grace when I could never ever seem to feel clean ?
Pro 12:10 A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.
:HeartThrob:
who has not suffered in the days of His flesh ?
Jesus learned obedience suffering during his days of flesh among us
I think that says it all :HeartThrob:
Perhaps it was a good thing David didn't have prozak . . . if he masked the pain, perfection of God could have been tainted and Psalms wouldn't have the same depth and emotion.
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 10:06:41 PM
Perhaps it was a good thing David didn't have prozak . . . if he masked the pain, perfection of God could have been tainted and Psalms wouldn't have the same depth and emotion.
Funny you should mention this Nate , I thought the same thing
I know that every emotion of the soul/life
it is the flood of emotions that can cause pain , and torment or relief , being numb to pain only prolongs the suffering effects , we have to face our fears to overcome them in the
"seat of emotions" a good cry out to God is the best pain reliever so far from experience that I know How to stay healed :thumbsup:
Psa 51:17
The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. :HeartThrob:
Yup, Rose I think so to. God gave me medicine for my pain . .it's built in. It's called "tears". :HeartThrob:
I think Jesus is weeping in empathy and frustration at the uneccesary suffering of the blind who cannot yet see the truth.
John 11:11
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Quote from: Molly on January 20, 2009, 10:23:50 PM
I think Jesus is weeping in empathy and frustration at the uneccesary suffering of the blind who cannot yet see the truth.
John 11:11
These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
yes Molly not seeing the Glory / Power of God to raise the dead to life again , that could be sad or grievous
An emotion felt and real AS LOVE
:HeartThrob:
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
Yup, Rose I think so to. God gave me medicine for my pain . .it's built in. It's called "tears". :HeartThrob:
:thumbsup: the place of two rivers :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 20, 2009, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: rosered on January 20, 2009, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
Yup, Rose I think so to. God gave me medicine for my pain . .it's built in. It's called "tears". :HeartThrob:
:thumbsup: the place of two rivers :HeartThrob:
Sounds like Shinar, evertime I hear of two rivers I think of the blood and water that come out of Christ
Psa 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: [are they] not in thy book?
:HeartThrob:
Due to the overwhelming posts that UR helps no one with depression, anger or irritability I have re-worded my post to keep you in your anger, depression and irritability:
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are not signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
There is no cure to date for these maladies. Not even the truth of Universal Reconciliation or any truth will help you.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Others, well, nothing has helped them. They would have been better off just believing in ET so that family and friend's relations would not be strained. Remember that Universal Reconciliation might not be for everyone, (obviously not for those here) so ask your pastor if UR is right for you. Better just stick with ET if you are depressed.
Tony Nungesser
Quote from: Tony N on January 20, 2009, 11:02:30 PM
Due to the overwhelming posts that UR helps no one with depression, anger or irritability I have re-worded my post to keep you in your anger, depression and irritability:
Are you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are not signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
There is no cure to date for these maladies. Not even the truth of Universal Reconciliation or any truth will help you.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Others, well, nothing has helped them. They would have been better off just believing in ET so that family and friend's relations would not be strained. Remember that Universal Reconciliation might not be for everyone, (obviously not for those here) so ask your pastor if UR is right for you. Better just stick with ET if you are depressed.
Tony Nungesser
Ok Tony lol ..
I have confidence in Gods power to save more than mens opinions to complain :laughing7:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 20, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
Quote from: rosered on January 20, 2009, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 20, 2009, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: rosered on January 20, 2009, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2009, 10:19:47 PM
Yup, Rose I think so to. God gave me medicine for my pain . .it's built in. It's called "tears". :HeartThrob:
:thumbsup: the place of two rivers :HeartThrob:
Sounds like Shinar, evertime I hear of two rivers I think of the blood and water that come out of Christ
Psa 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: [are they] not in thy book?
:HeartThrob:
Love that one Rose :HeartThrob:
me too sis :HeartThrob: Can SEE JESUS :winkgrin:
Quote from: TonyNAre you Irritable, Depressed, Angry? These are not signs of ingesting the leaven of Eternal Torment.
There is no cure to date for these maladies. Not even the truth of Universal Reconciliation or any truth will help you.
Some have reported fits of happiness and a feeling of freedom. Other symptoms might include sudden fits of laughter and outbursts of praise to God. Others, well, nothing has helped them. They would have been better off just believing in ET so that family and friend's relations would not be strained. Remember that Universal Reconciliation might not be for everyone, (obviously not for those here) so ask your pastor if UR is right for you. Better just stick with ET if you are depressed.
Hiya,
I do not see anyone here say there was no cure.
Only that the cure is not UR.
The cure is love.
Like it always has been.
:thumbdown:
Well, I laughed when I saw your post this morning, Tony, lol.
I've been depressed, everyone told me to get pills, I kept thinking it would go away. It would for awhile, then come back. Sometimes last for awhile. So I finally asked the doctor and she gave me something. It gave me diarrhea. I was a bit leery of getting addicted anyway, had a friend who was a mean one when getting off of antidepressants. I quit taking it and figured I'll deal with the depression. Seeing UR does help me, especially with the death of someone dear who may not have been a Christian.
Life just has its ups and downs. Some people are naturally cheerful all the time. Some have disciplined themselves into accepting the bad with the good. Most of us struggle now and then. It's not a perfect world, yet. I laugh about my whining usually a few hours or days, sometimes weeks AFTER the fact, even if I'm not totally happy. To me laughter is one of the best medicine, especially if you can laugh at yourself.
Peace
Hiya,
The message of UR helped, but it is not the cure to your depression, correct?
It helped in some areas that perhaps made you depressed, but the cure to depression is not just a doctrine that every person is or one day saved because of what Jesus had done, was it?
:dontknow: :girlheart:
Depression has many sources and for some it can be a real physical problem in the workings of the brain functions and just a state of mind and spiritual doctrines will not just magically make it go away any more than it will cure cancer or anything else.
Some need medicine just as much as a heart patient might and I don't see anyone telling a heart patient to just believe in UR and all your troubles go away.
Sorry if I might have misread the intent of this thread but I don't like seeing this issue being taken flippantly from people who can't think much of anything more to say than "get over it".
If it cured you, great for you and no one can take that knowledge away, but don't assume that for everyone, please.
QuoteIf it cured you, great for you and no one can take that knowledge away, but don't assume that for everyone, please.
Hiya Paul!
I agree in both counts!
:boyheart: :girlheart:
I agree Paul. I think Tony was kidding, making a good, funny point...it does help to realize our Father's not focused on oppressive, "I'm gonna get'cha for that" theology.
But, as you know, I also believe there are physical, inherited, genetically based depressions and anxieties that need treatment. I do believe in miracles, and that God can fix anything He chooses, however He wants. If He doesn't do so instantly/miraculously, maybe His choice is that we use the knowledge He has given us for good, including seeing a competent physician that specializes in what we need that can help us. Some things just aren't as cut and dried and easily answered as we'd like sometimes, is it? :sigh:. I won't go into details here right now, but I come from a family in which genetically inherited depression is a strong component, and believe me, I very well know that the right antidepressant can help, if it's prescribed appropriately (the right one, in the right amounts, for the right disorder/situation).
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My suggestion to myself and all of us about this thread... I think Tony's original intent was light-hearted, meant for specific things (oppression of "religion") and what good news UR is to the soul...I'd like to label that PART 1. I'd suggest we recognize there's a PART 2...that it does open up thoughts and other avenues wrt a very complicated, personal issue for many...depression, anxiety, loss, that may be really helpful to be discussed...but I don't think that was Tony's focus with the OP. If I'm missing it Tony, let me know...that's what I think and I may be wrong...So, IMO, nothing wrong with discussion, but maybe we need to separate it out (rightly divide it) so we're talking about apples and apples :thumbsup:. My :2c:.
God's blessing, James.
YY, no, UR did not 'cure' my depression. Even God, in His wisdom does not keep us from nor immediately lift depression.
Even though the original post was meant for humor, it did promote some interesting discussion, n'est pas, Tony?
:icon_jokercolor:
A family member said something incrediably rude to me, I blew my top I got angry.
I just didn't know what else to do, it took me totaly off guard since I didn't feel a bit appreciated.
I wrote it down in a diary of sorts, I honestly believed I felt God smile at me, at mine her pettiness.
When I felt the smile then I smiled and just fine now praise the Lord.
I have my down days once in a while, but it don't last. :cloud9:
... it's what you make it, and how you take it.
"The soul would have no rainbow, if the eyes had no tears."
peacemaker
Quote from: peacemaker on January 21, 2009, 05:51:10 AM
... it's what you make it, and how you take it.
"The soul would have no rainbow, if the eyes had no tears."
peacemaker
That is so true and verified to me.
I was petty and repented to God and apologized to the offender.
God is showing me I am to easily offended, when I saw this I felt God smile on me like hey you finally see. :thumbsup:
I was actually more guilty than the offender, but God smiled and all is well for now.
What can I say I am a work in progress. :laughing7:
On Job training is rough!
He was despised
Despised and rejected
Rejected of men
A man of sorrows
A man of sorrows
And acquainted with grief
A man of sorrows
And acquainted with grief
He was despised
Rejected
He was despised
And rejected of men
A man of sorrows
And acquainted with grief
A man of sorrows
And acquainted with grief
And acquainted with grief
--Isaiah 53
Speaking of rainbows . . . there's a song I like that speaks of them . . .
WHEN I SEE THE LIGHT
AS IT MINGLES WITH WATER
IT ALWAYS PRODUCES RAINBOWS
IN THIS LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY
AND THE RAIN OF YOUR SPIRIT
PRODUCES IN ME A NEW HOPE
I AM YOUR CHILD,
MY NAME MAKES YOU SMILE
YOU DELIGHT IN ME
I AM REDEEMED
I WILL RISE UP AS AN EAGLE
AND LET YOUR SPIRIT CARRY ME
IT'S THE PROMISE OF THE RAINBOW
I'M IN YOU, AND YOU'RE IN ME
MY HOPE'S IN YOU,
YOU'RE THE PROMISE IN ME
LET THIS RAINBOW SHINE
SO THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Speaking of rainbows . . . there's a song I like that speaks of them . . .
WHEN I SEE THE LIGHT
AS IT MINGLES WITH WATER
IT ALWAYS PRODUCES RAINBOWS
IN THIS LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY
AND THE RAIN OF YOUR SPIRIT
PRODUCES IN ME A NEW HOPE
I AM YOUR CHILD,
MY NAME MAKES YOU SMILE
YOU DELIGHT IN ME
I AM REDEEMED
I WILL RISE UP AS AN EAGLE
AND LET YOUR SPIRIT CARRY ME
IT'S THE PROMISE OF THE RAINBOW
I'M IN YOU, AND YOU'RE IN ME
MY HOPE'S IN YOU,
YOU'RE THE PROMISE IN ME
LET THIS RAINBOW SHINE
SO THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE
thats a Cool song Nate
who sang it? :icon_flower:
Paul, who knew the Scriptures probably better than all of us combined wrote this:
In everything, being afflicted, but not distressed; perplexed, but not despairing;" persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not perishing -" always carrying about in the body the deadening of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our body." For we who are living are ever being given up to death because of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh." So that death is operating in us, yet life in you."
(2Co 4:8-12)
While UR may not "cure" maladies afflicting mankind, at least it and other truths should "bring joy and peace in believing" at least to some degree.
Rom 15:13 Now may the God of expectation be filling you with all joy and peace in believing, for you to be super-abounding in expectation, in the power of holy spirit."
When I was a young teen and had my share of problems, (to make a very long story short) God opened my eyes to the belief that Christ died for my sins on a hill behind my parent's house under a star studded sky. Oh the joy! I hopped, skipped and jumped and laughed all the way home. There have been many days of trials since that day. But what has always gotten me through them was when I remember ALL that the Father has given me and will yet bless me with in the future in calling me, choosing me, justifying, reconciling and making me righteous to name just a very few.
The original post of this thread was meant to be funny as if it were mimicking the commercials heard on T.V.
As long as we concentrate on the things above and not on the earth we will go through life much better than those who have no expectation at all no matter what it is that bugs us. Do I at least hear one Amen! to that?
Tony
A big Amen to that Tony!
Quote from: Taffy on January 21, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Speaking of rainbows . . . there's a song I like that speaks of them . . .
WHEN I SEE THE LIGHT
AS IT MINGLES WITH WATER
IT ALWAYS PRODUCES RAINBOWS
IN THIS LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY
AND THE RAIN OF YOUR SPIRIT
PRODUCES IN ME A NEW HOPE
I AM YOUR CHILD,
MY NAME MAKES YOU SMILE
YOU DELIGHT IN ME
I AM REDEEMED
I WILL RISE UP AS AN EAGLE
AND LET YOUR SPIRIT CARRY ME
IT'S THE PROMISE OF THE RAINBOW
I'M IN YOU, AND YOU'RE IN ME
MY HOPE'S IN YOU,
YOU'RE THE PROMISE IN ME
LET THIS RAINBOW SHINE
SO THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE
thats a Cool song Nate
who sang it? :icon_flower:
Our church does . . .I wrote it. Cardinal sent out a wonderful post last week and when I read it . . . it's like what Tony is referring to about having the joy . .when I read her stuff . .this . . . this "unction" . . . this spirit of praise just welled up in me as a result and I pmed her the words of the feeling that her words really inspired in me . . .and later, I took it to the keyboard and made a song out of it as well . . .
Card, this is going to be just a little different than the original . .. I tweaked it a bit. But 90% of it is still the same.
GLORY TO MY GOD
GLORY TO MY GOD AND HIS MERCY IN MY LIFE,
I WANT TO WORSHIP AND MAGNIFY HIS NAME
WE'VE BEEN CALLED AND CHOSEN
TO ILLUMINATE HIS LIGHT
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
TO THE ALPHA, AND OMEGA
MY BEGINNING AND MY END
GREAT JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH JIREH
GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT OF THE DEAD
I LIFT MY HANDS UP AND GIVE YOU PRAISE
I GIVE YOU GLORY MY ANCIENT OF DAYS
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
THE ONLY WAY TO TRUTH AND LIFE
Beautiful, Nathan!
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
"Jehovah-jireh" [Gen 22:14]
H3070
יהוה יראה
yehôvâh yir'eh
yeh-ho-vaw' yir-eh'
From H3068 and H7200; Jehovah will see (to it); Jehovah-Jireh, a symbolical name for Mt. Moriah: - Jehovah-jireh.
H7200
ראה
râ'âh
raw-aw'
A primitive root; to see, literally or figuratively (in numerous applications, direct and implied, transitively, intransitively and causatively): - advise self, appear, approve, behold, X certainly, consider, discern, (make to) enjoy, have experience, gaze, take heed, X indeed, X joyfully, lo, look (on, one another, one on another, one upon another, out, up, upon), mark, meet, X be near, perceive, present, provide, regard, (have) respect, (fore-, cause to, let) see (-r, -m, one another), shew (self), X sight of others, (e-) spy, stare, X surely, X think, view, visions.
Thanks . . . we pretty much sing only stuff that I've written anymore. We still have the traditional worship choruses and songs but we seldom sing the songs of another anymore. These new songs are where "we" are at "now" and they've become a part of us as God reveals to us new things, new songs come from those new things and as we sing them out, they seem to really go deeper within. It's a pretty cool trade-off.
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 05:01:25 PM
Thanks . . . we pretty much sing only stuff that I've written anymore. We still have the traditional worship choruses and songs but we seldom sing the songs of another anymore. These new songs are where "we" are at "now" and they've become a part of us as God reveals to us new things, new songs come from those new things and as we sing them out, they seem to really go deeper within. It's a pretty cool trade-off.
heh heh
Ever heard of youtube? :cloud9:
What . .you mean like make videos of them?
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:04:22 PM
What . .you mean like make videos of them?
yeah. for us poor 'shut ins' that get kicked out of every church we go to. :happygrin:
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:04:22 PM
What . .you mean like make videos of them?
yeah. for us poor 'shut ins' that get kicked out of every church we go to. :happygrin:
why should you be the only one :icon_flower:
I don't know how.
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:14:55 PM
I don't know how.
Hey don't give me that.
There are only 3 words that are acceptable anymore
Yes we can
uh . . .YES WE CAN . . .take the presidential oath twice cuz we didn't do it right the first time . . .
that better?
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
uh . . .YES WE CAN . . .take the presidential oath twice cuz we didn't do it right the first time . . .
that better?
He didn't do it right the second time, either. :grin:
OK, how about
Yes we can.....maybe
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
uh . . .YES WE CAN . . .take the presidential oath twice cuz we didn't do it right the first time . . .
that better?
He didn't do it right the second time, either. :grin:
OK, how about Yes we can.....maybe
Well hes got his term( five years is it?) to get right...Maybe :icon_king: hes from Narnia too :icon_king:
Quote from: Taffy on January 22, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
uh . . .YES WE CAN . . .take the presidential oath twice cuz we didn't do it right the first time . . .
that better?
He didn't do it right the second time, either. :grin:
OK, how about Yes we can.....maybe
Well hes got his term( five years is it?) to get right...Maybe :icon_king: hes from Narnia too :icon_king:
"five years"four years
:icon_flower:
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 22, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
uh . . .YES WE CAN . . .take the presidential oath twice cuz we didn't do it right the first time . . .
that better?
He didn't do it right the second time, either. :grin:
OK, how about Yes we can.....maybe
Well hes got his term( five years is it?) to get right...Maybe :icon_king: hes from Narnia too :icon_king:
"five years"
four years
:icon_flower:
Thats about Right....Close enough :laughing7:
Easy for you to say . .you're on the other side of the pond
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
Easy for you to say . .you're on the other side of the pond
"pond"Atlantic Ocean
The Atlantic Ocean is the second-largest of the world's oceanic divisions; with a total area of about 106.4 million square kilometres (41.1 million square miles). It covers approximately one-fifth of the Earth's surface. The first part of its name refers to the Atlas of Greek mythology, making the Atlantic the "Sea of Atlas". The oldest known mention of this name is contained in The Histories of Herodotus around 450 BC (I 202); see also: Atlas Mountains. Another name historically used was the ancient term Ethiopic Ocean, derived from Ethiopia, whose name was sometimes used as a synonym for all of Africa and thus for the ocean. Before Europeans discovered other oceans, the term "ocean" itself was to them synonymous with the waters beyond Western Europe that we now know as the Atlantic and which the Greeks had believed to be a gigantic river encircling the world; see Oceanus.--Wikipedia
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
Easy for you to say . .you're on the other side of the pond
"pond"
Atlantic Ocean
The Atlantic Ocean is the second-largest of the world's oceanic divisions; with a total area of about 106.4 million square kilometres (41.1 million square miles). It covers approximately one-fifth of the Earth's surface. The first part of its name refers to the Atlas of Greek mythology, making the Atlantic the "Sea of Atlas". The oldest known mention of this name is contained in The Histories of Herodotus around 450 BC (I 202); see also: Atlas Mountains. Another name historically used was the ancient term Ethiopic Ocean, derived from Ethiopia, whose name was sometimes used as a synonym for all of Africa and thus for the ocean. Before Europeans discovered other oceans, the term "ocean" itself was to them synonymous with the waters beyond Western Europe that we now know as the Atlantic and which the Greeks had believed to be a gigantic river encircling the world; see Oceanus.
--Wikipedia
Keep writing up Molly, we will have this Dictionary finished in :icon_flower:
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 04:49:53 PM
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Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Speaking of rainbows . . . there's a song I like that speaks of them . . .
WHEN I SEE THE LIGHT
AS IT MINGLES WITH WATER
IT ALWAYS PRODUCES RAINBOWS
IN THIS LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY
AND THE RAIN OF YOUR SPIRIT
PRODUCES IN ME A NEW HOPE
I AM YOUR CHILD,
MY NAME MAKES YOU SMILE
YOU DELIGHT IN ME
I AM REDEEMED
I WILL RISE UP AS AN EAGLE
AND LET YOUR SPIRIT CARRY ME
IT'S THE PROMISE OF THE RAINBOW
I'M IN YOU, AND YOU'RE IN ME
MY HOPE'S IN YOU,
YOU'RE THE PROMISE IN ME
LET THIS RAINBOW SHINE
SO THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE
thats a Cool song Nate
who sang it? :icon_flower:
Our church does . . .I wrote it. Cardinal sent out a wonderful post last week and when I read it . . . it's like what Tony is referring to about having the joy . .when I read her stuff . .this . . . this "unction" . . . this spirit of praise just welled up in me as a result and I pmed her the words of the feeling that her words really inspired in me . . .and later, I took it to the keyboard and made a song out of it as well . . .
Card, this is going to be just a little different than the original . .. I tweaked it a bit. But 90% of it is still the same.
GLORY TO MY GOD
GLORY TO MY GOD AND HIS MERCY IN MY LIFE,
I WANT TO WORSHIP AND MAGNIFY HIS NAME
WE'VE BEEN CALLED AND CHOSEN
TO ILLUMINATE HIS LIGHT
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
TO THE ALPHA, AND OMEGA
MY BEGINNING AND MY END
GREAT JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH JIREH
GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT OF THE DEAD
I LIFT MY HANDS UP AND GIVE YOU PRAISE
I GIVE YOU GLORY MY ANCIENT OF DAYS
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
THE ONLY WAY TO TRUTH AND LIFE
:cloud9: Beautiful, thank You, Father....
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2009, 04:49:53 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 21, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Speaking of rainbows . . . there's a song I like that speaks of them . . .
WHEN I SEE THE LIGHT
AS IT MINGLES WITH WATER
IT ALWAYS PRODUCES RAINBOWS
IN THIS LIGHT OF YOUR GLORY
AND THE RAIN OF YOUR SPIRIT
PRODUCES IN ME A NEW HOPE
I AM YOUR CHILD,
MY NAME MAKES YOU SMILE
YOU DELIGHT IN ME
I AM REDEEMED
I WILL RISE UP AS AN EAGLE
AND LET YOUR SPIRIT CARRY ME
IT'S THE PROMISE OF THE RAINBOW
I'M IN YOU, AND YOU'RE IN ME
MY HOPE'S IN YOU,
YOU'RE THE PROMISE IN ME
LET THIS RAINBOW SHINE
SO THE WORLD CAN FINALLY SEE
thats a Cool song Nate
who sang it? :icon_flower:
Our church does . . .I wrote it. Cardinal sent out a wonderful post last week and when I read it . . . it's like what Tony is referring to about having the joy . .when I read her stuff . .this . . . this "unction" . . . this spirit of praise just welled up in me as a result and I pmed her the words of the feeling that her words really inspired in me . . .and later, I took it to the keyboard and made a song out of it as well . . .
Card, this is going to be just a little different than the original . .. I tweaked it a bit. But 90% of it is still the same.
GLORY TO MY GOD
GLORY TO MY GOD AND HIS MERCY IN MY LIFE,
I WANT TO WORSHIP AND MAGNIFY HIS NAME
WE'VE BEEN CALLED AND CHOSEN
TO ILLUMINATE HIS LIGHT
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
SO ALL CREATION MAY BE CHANGED
TO THE ALPHA, AND OMEGA
MY BEGINNING AND MY END
GREAT JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH JIREH
GOD OF THE LIVING, NOT OF THE DEAD
I LIFT MY HANDS UP AND GIVE YOU PRAISE
I GIVE YOU GLORY MY ANCIENT OF DAYS
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
THE ONLY WAY TO TRUTH AND LIFE
Thanks for sharing this Nathan ...Its a Blessing :icon_flower:
This actually all started several years ago when I had the same thing happen while I was in the middle of leading the worship. I play (around) on the keyboards . . .self taught . .can't read a lick of music and don't have a lick of rhythm . .which makes this whole thing even more unique. My playing isn't complicated, but I do love to worship.
My favorite instrument to play is the harmonica . . .my wife bought me this brace that holds the harp while you can play the guitar . .which is what most people who play harmonica also play at the same time . .the guitar. But with me, it's the keyboard.
At anyrate, this particular morning it was so strong . .I was between songs and just began to weep . .couldn't stop . . so I simply told the congregation to bear with me a sec and I just began singing as the words came and chord progressions came .. . I asked that someone write down the words . . .I later sat down and put the lyrics and chord progressions together and come the following Sunday, I introduced it to the congregation . . .and the Lord spoke to me there and said the day would come when "all" of our songs we sang would be songs that he'd given in this same way. I relayed that out . .but was freaked out at the idea of it . . .but that's actually just what happened.
Most of the time, I'll go over on Saturday nights just to jam by myself and songs birth out of that . .but there are still those times in the middle of worship where a new one will surface and someone will write the lyrics down and it becomes another praise in the line-up of praises.
I don't say all of this to pat myself on the back. I still can't read music and I still have serious rhythm issues . . .but I believe that when ANY of us come into the person of rest and we begin to walk a more intimate walk . .not a more straight one or a more perfect one, but a more intimate one . think about what I just said there for a sec. Those that are closest to you are the ones that you forgive the most.
So many have a desire to please God that they try to do that by being a better person, by being more discplined . .by reading more, by praying more . . .they have the impression that attention from heaven comes to those who do the most to deserve it. When the truth is, none of us deserve it. But yet his love is just that rich that what I get is not the result of what I do. It's a result of who He is.
When I realized this, it released a spirit of praise. When I walk in this, it continues to release the spirit of worship. Intimacy isn't in the religion, it's in the relationship. If we remain silent, the very rocks will cry out . . .fragments of law even have enough illumination to glorify God . .. when put in the proper order and perspectives.
:cloud9: Beautiful, just beautiful........Amen....... :HeartThrob:
I especially like this line in the song:
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
Let's continue the thought:
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
AS LONG AS YOU ARE I'M NOT IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT FORTH YOUR RIGHTEOUS IRE
ALL MY SINS ARE SICK AND RIFE.
Quote from: Tony N on January 23, 2009, 02:22:34 AM
I especially like this line in the song:
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
Let's continue the thought:
HEAVENLY FATHER YOU'RE MY LAKE OF FIRE
AS LONG AS YOU ARE I'M NOT IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT FORTH YOUR RIGHTEOUS IRE
ALL MY SINS ARE SICK AND RIFE.
TONY, TONY, TONY!!!
I can't believe you said that! When I was rolling it out to the congretation . . I came to that part and said the EXACT same thing . . .it's my favorite part of the song . . . I just camped on it for a while . . .kept repeating it . . .and weeping . . .you ever try to sing while your crying? I hide my nose behind the mic half the time cuz I know there's more than a river of living water flowing there . . . :laughing7:
That's so crazy you said that . . .wow.
hi nathan-it sure would be nice to hear some of the music.can you record a service and maybe send a copy.i would be happy to pay for it and the shipping too.
blessings fred :icon_king:
Quote from: onlytruth on January 23, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
hi nathan-it sure would be nice to hear some of the music.can you record a service and maybe send a copy.i would be happy to pay for it and the shipping too.
blessings fred :icon_king:
Surely someone knows how to Youtube and could help Nathan out on that. I've also thought of putting some of my stuff on Youtube, but haven't gotten there yet. (Also a keyboard player, writer, and vocalist, Nathan...you know, praise band for years guy until left the denomination and was told probably not welcome any more, etc.). Willi and Byron are also musical folks...it would be cool to have a TM Youtube location where some good praise/UR-friendly music could be accessed.
Anyway, even if it's just Nathan's stuff on his own YT account for now, that would be cool and would be a start, and would be available to you onlytruth and others...can some tech whiz out there help?
Nathan, you keep on, keeping with the praising!
Reminds me of a song, if I can remember the lyrics...
Lord almighty,...
I feel my temperature rising
Higher, higher...
Its burning through to my soul...
Girl, girl, girl...
You gonna set me on fire
My brain is flaming...
I don't know which way to go...
Your kisses lift me higher
Like the sweet song of a choir...
You light my morning sky
With burning love...
Ooh, ooh, ooh,...
I feel my temperature rising
Help me, I'm flaming...
I must be a hundred and nine
Burning, burning, burning
And nothing can cool me...
I just might turn into smoke
But I feel fine...
Cause your kisses lift me higher
Like a sweet song of a choir...
And you light my morning sky
With burning love...
It's coming closer...
The flames are reaching my body
Please won't you help me...
I feel like I'm slipping away
Its hard to breath...
And my chest is a'heaving
Lord almighty,...
I'm burning a hole where I lay
Cause your kisses lift me higher
Like the sweet song of a choir...
You light my morning sky
With burning love...
With burning love...
Ah, ah, burning love...
I'm just a hunk, a hunk of burning love...
Just a hunk, a hunk of burning love,
Just a hunk, a hunk of burning love... :myahoo:
peacemaker
:cloud9: I think that's a great idea Jabcat.....all of you that are musically gifted should get together somehow and let the Lord shine through you all..... :thumbsup:
Reminds me of a song I heard years ago glorifying mankind getting fried:
"Won't your peepers get the creepers when you realize
We're all rising right before your eyes
You'll cry as we wave good bye
You'll sigh as we wave good bye
You'll fry as we wave good bye to you!"
Kind of morbid, don't you think?
Quote from: Tony N on January 23, 2009, 02:51:22 PM
Reminds me of a song I heard years ago glorifying mankind getting fried:
"Won't your peepers get the creepers when you realize
We're all rising right before your eyes
You'll cry as we wave good bye
You'll sigh as we wave good bye
You'll fry as we wave good bye to you!"
Kind of morbid, don't you think?
that's hilarious!!! It's kind of like . .as we're "floating" away . . .we're flipping off all the losers that wouldn't listen to us before . . .yeah . . .that's God's way for sure!!
Quote from: onlytruth on January 23, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
hi nathan-it sure would be nice to hear some of the music.can you record a service and maybe send a copy.i would be happy to pay for it and the shipping too.
blessings fred :icon_king:
I "have" had a couple people interested in them also and what I've done in the past is, I've had them email me their address (my email is open here if you check my profile, you should be able to get it there) And I've filled 45 minutes of stuff on cassette tapes for them . . .and I also emailed them the chord charts . . .so they could play along . .even though many of the songs are sung lower than the chord charts . .. anyway . . .I'll throw this out to you guys as well.
These songs are not copywrited or anything . . .I just sing 'em as I see 'em. And do keep in mind . .I wasn't kidding about my musical ability . . . I love to play . .. and the only reason I play the keyboard at church is because no one else plays other than the other keyboardist . . .and interestingly enough . .I had to "teach" her how to go by just a chord chart because she's the opposite of me, she could only play if there was sheet music . .but over the years, she's really taken to the new stuff.
I am humbled by your interest in this.