Aion means eternal but....

[WhiteWings]

.... at the time of translation eternal was mean age-during.
Instead of boring you with typing errors I'll give you a link to a page I scanned from the book I'm currently reading.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5adbc4e711.gif

[Average_Bear]

Aionios means eternal, but eternal used to mean aionios???  :Chinscratch: I think I get it. The exact same thing happened with the English word hell In early English, hell meant hidden or concealed. Thus hell was not necessarily a bad choice for translating the Greek hades at the time, as hades means the unseen world. But I can't for the life of me figure out why Gehenna was translated hell as early as the 1395 Wyclif Translation. If anyone has any insight into this, please post.

[willieH]

willieH: Hidee Hi... :hithere:  Hidee Ho...  :cloud9:

Aion, Aionios, Owlam, Eternal, Everlasting, Forever, etc... etc...

The term ETERNAL is an INVALID term, because anyone USING IT, is using terminology they do NOT comprehend... :mnah:

ETERNITY is the OPPOSITE of TIME... for TIME is COMPLETELY CONFINED to beginnings and endings, ...while ETERNITY is COMPLETELY UNCONFINED... 

We as FINITES cannot even begin to understand the INFINITE...

Like a BLIND MAN from birth, trying to explain the hues of colors... on my Hawaiian shirt.  :laughing7:

peacE...
...willieH  :dsunny:

[martincisneros]

From the 5th century B.C. to the 5th century A.D. aion simply meant an age, perhaps as short as a lifetime.  That covers the creation of the Septuignt and of the New Testament.  The Septuignt is the translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Greek that influenced a lot of things in the 1st century.  It enables us to double-check and verify usage when the Greek starts getting a little layered with the poetry like "ages of ages," "age of ages," "day of the age," etc.  Aion as meaning eternal didn't even start creeping in to some of the lexicons until the 8th century, and even then it wasn't a dogma but just the evolution of the language since the Church was mostly Latinized by then.  It really wasn't until the 15th and 16th centuries that aion dogmatically came into the lexicons to express all durations of time from brief to endless.  Perhaps more evolution of the Greek language, or perhaps the hand of some of the Catholic and Protestant Reformers as the Church was returning to Greek from it's thousand year plunge into the Latin Vulgate translation from 380A.D. that Jerome published.  Today aion means eternal in modern Greek, but the New Testament wasn't written within the previous century.  What a lot of Christians don't get is that it was written 2000 years ago, so what matters is what the Greek of 2000 years ago meant.  They'll rely on lexical Greek and then accuse us of doing that because they don't know what the Greek said way back then.  However, since the Reformation, many many precious volumes have been written that explore the usage and significance of that word alone.

Aionios is simply the adjective form of the noun "aion," and would mean an age pertaining to _______ (fill in the blank).  Some would say that it could mean eternal, including some renouned scholars, but we've got the color red in English.  Really the color is world-wide, but I mean the English word here and not just the concept.  As an adjective, you might talk about a red car.  Does the car have a hint of green when we say it's a red car just because the word "red" is no longer being used as a noun?  People just get uncomfortable because of the aionios God in Romans 16, the aionios covenant in Hebrews, and the aionios Gospel in Revelation and either feel the need to be pacified by allowing aionios to mean "eternal," or they're just citing someone like William Barclay without really thinking it through as well as looking at all of the resources available on that particular wording in the Bible.  I personally haven't seen an example where aionios suddenly had to include a meaning not inherent in aion that some other passage of Scripture using entirely different language wouldn't rescue us from any apparent difficulty regarding.  God is also called "immortal" in the Scriptures and Christ's life is called "indestructible" in the Scriptures, but there's nothing about immortal or indestructible punishments or separation from God from cover to cover in that Bible's original languages.

Love is what's eternal and not chastenings.

[Craig]

.... at the time of translation eternal was mean age-during.
Instead of boring you with typing errors I'll give you a link to a page I scanned from the book I'm currently reading.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/5adbc4e711.gif

Heya, I have part 2, 3, and 4 written just not posted here. ;)

[WhiteWings]

There are many such examples in Dutch. One is a word very similar to  the English version.
An ordinary girl used to mean what it means now in English. A very average girl.
Now it means a slutty girl.

Average Bear: That's exactly what I think the scan 'says'
I'll post a Gehenna and Tartarus scan.

Martin: So during the translating of the KJV eternal already was meaning eternal?

WillieH  :bgdance:
Yes I fully agree the word eternal shouldn't be in modern translations. Because translations are not just translations between languages but also between changes in those languages.


Craig: I think I know where to find those parts  :thumbsup:

But can I conclude we all (in different ways) agree the scanned page is another little bit of UR proof?
Even Augustine grandmaster ET agreed aion can mean a limited time.

[WhiteWings]

Average Bear:


http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/74772f5c3a.gif  Tartarus
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/189a6d371b.gif Gehenna