A look at the other side of Bondage.

[Mickiel]

There are those who are called and chosen, and even they must suffer; well at least those of them who have not reached perfection. There are Christians and Saints, and even some of them must deal with sin, and there are some of them who have evolved beyond sin and its bondage. Thanks be to God, for any person who has no bondage in sin.

This is a look at people like myself, who believe in God with all their hearts, do not have his Holy Spirit,  are still in the flesh and sold into Bondage to sin. Romans 7:14. A totally different kind of Bondage, a different existence, a living hell so to speak.

A look at the other side of Bondage.

Normally when believers gather at churchs or websites, they all are usually overcommers. You know, they have reached the platuae, " Made It', became " Spiritual", have evolved into biblical people, which is really great. They hold all the benefits of being annointed and holding Gods Spirit.

But there is another existence, another side of Bondage. There is the beleiver who has not been called and chosen. The follower of God who has not been given all this magical Spiritual help and annointing. But yet they believe just as much as the " Priesthood" does. But yet they still actively strive with the strife of the two natures, they have not been chosen by God. A hard existence, to actually be just as aware and knowledgable as the more blessed believers, but yet just not able to advance past just being aware.

Romans 7:15;" For that which I am actively doing, I do not understand. for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am actively doing the very thing I hate." There are two natures that are living together here. This person, like myself, has actually been contacted by Gods Spirit in their mind, made aware of him and his truth, but actually given this awareness while actively still living in their body of sin. But not given the progression to go beyond this stage, frozen into it, or placed into Bondage by it. Yet still allowed to grow in knowledge, but the grace they are growing in, does not release them from their bondage to sin. Its like being burned alive. I think its the real hell the bible speaks of. To have to live in your sin, and yet still be given another nature within your mind. Praise be to God for those who have been given release from this, and have progressed onward.

But there is the other side of Bondage.

Romans 7:18;" For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that I don't have Gods Spirit perminently, that is, in my flesh. for the will is present inside of me, the will to do good, but the actual living everyday and doing the good consistantly, is not." This is a stage which perhaps all believers must enter, but yet not all believers are allowed to leave it and pass on. Which makes it a perplexing stage, an undesirable stage, a feared stage, and I think a most misunderstood stage. So what if God may have called you, but just not has chosen you, you are not dammed. You are not a failure with no purpose, its not your fault. We cannot choose ourselves, although many have. And I can't say I blame those who have done that, it is a literal nightmare to live in Bondage, but still be able to see a little of your freedom in the future while you suffer in the present.

Its the other side of Bondage, that " Other Lion", which has attacked you and slayed you.

Rom. 7:19;" For the good that I have a will to do, I just can't seem to consistantly do it. The power and strength is just not consistantly there to help me. But I consistantly live, and keep doing the same evil over and over again, as if I am trapped into the behavior by a power greater than mine." It overshadows my belief, weakens my clarity, the sin overpowers me, me who strongly believes in our God.

I like to call it" The Other Lion." The prey was running from the Lion that it could see, but it was the other Lion that leaped out of nowhere and made the kill. Sin is so much like that. I can recall, so many, many times, I have left my house, prayed up and thinking " Spiritual", things going right and feeling good. Then " It" happened. Out of nowhere a situation came up that just trapped me, got me situated just right to fail. Just swept me off my feet, and sin just had its way with me. And many of those times it was the sin of " Others" that started the situation, it was the other Lion, the one I couldnot see, which slew me. Me, a believer of God, trapped into a situation of sin which was more powerful than I. There is a " Living Hell" in this situation that is very depressing, because at times you get confused as to who is the blame. Do you blame the other Lion, the other person who started it, do you blame yourself over and over again, or do you blame God, who held the Power to either keep you from it in the first place, or he could have just pushed you right through it with no harm done. And that can be quite perplexing and damaging, sometimes no matter who you blame.

But it becomes tiresome, your aware of people being " Slain in the Spirit", but your being slain in the flesh, over and over again. Like a broken record, your life is a continual struggle with sin.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[ScarletWren]

I think I know exactly what you are talking about. 

[Mickiel]

Bondage is a " Living Status", which exist concurrent with your belief. Now again, I am not discussing those who have  overcome all their sin and have been chosen by God. If allowed, I am discussing only those like myself, who have not escaped from their sin, who still do not have Gods Spirit as a defense against this powerful stuff called evil. Who still are only able to drink " Milk", which I think really means they are not chosen.

1Corinth. 3:1-3 speaks of a carnal state which prevents or perverts Spiritual growth in the persons characther, but still allows them to actually learn a little about the truth. The Milk and solid food principle, is really talking about two stages of belief, or you can say the two " Known" stages of the calling of God, the called and the chosen. The babes and those grown into adulthood, or the annointed. Those who have the Spirit of God and those who do not. I don't believe the called of God have his Holy Spirit perminently inside of them. Why would God give his Spirit to an individual he has decided not to choose and progress into a chosen? That makes no sense at all, only the chosen of God will hold his Spirit, not the called of God.

The called , but not chosen of God, are destined to live in a very hard bondage to sin because their calling is NOT removed, but their annointing is not granted. And this is a tuff situation to be in. One could reasonably argue to God;" Well why call me in the first place, if I am not to be chosen?" Why are many called, but only a few chosen anyway? And I will get into that answer later, but one needs to understand how God is, where this kind of situation is involved. Look at Gods position in this matter. He cannot be argued with, you cannot bargain with him, you cannot force him, you cannot out-think him, you cannot manipulate him, you can only do these things to yourself and others. What God does cannot be altered or changed. If your called, your called, if your chosen, your chosen, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing anyone can do about this! Nothing. You can cry all you want, lie all you want, live in as eloberate an illusion as you want, nothing can alter the calling of God, nothing can approve the choosing of God. There is nothing you can do to bring on the calling or advance into the choosing stage, its ALL Gods decision.

Its the bondage and freedom of human nature in a nutshell. Romans 11:32;" For God has shut up all in disobedience that he might show mercy to all." We all have sinned, every believer begins at that point, but few there be who are released into the narrow path of freedom from bondage. Not even all kept in bondage are allowed to see their future freedom, but a significant amount of humans will be called by God, never released from their human bondage, but allowed to see there freedom in the future. Many humans will be called by God, but few of them released from this bondage to disobedience.

And I want to get into that group. My group.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Again Jesus in Matthews 22:14;" For many are called, but few are chosen." This is the orgin of the " Milk and Meat of the word principle." Its NOT a knowledge thing, its not ABILITY. Its nature, its NOT belief. BOTH groups believe, BOTH groups often share the same knowledge, it is NOT knowledge and belief! God does NOT call and choose according to belief and knowledge, because he has called and chosen far too many who didnot believe and had no knowledge. Oh many believers try to base or explain the calling of God on human performance or their own ability, but thats a bunch of carp. We consume milk and meat based on the nature of God, not ourselves. Its a God thing, it is not a human thing, which is why it is not your fault if your not called, or chosen, neither to your credit if you are. We drink milk, or are called, or are able to understand somewhat, the things of God. Drinking milk is not consuming some kind of lightweight knowledge, its a " Living stage in Gods Plan for that life." Its a type of nature, within a human nature, or it is a type of the presence of God. That presence, that visitation of the Spirit, gives the ability to drink milk, or the human couldNOT even drink the milk. The milk IS a stage in the calling. Its not to be dismissed as something everyone can do, because not all humans can drink the milk of Gods word, they choke even on it.

The milk stage is a calling of God, and it is a beginning. A childlike stage. The meat of the word, is a progression into the annointing, its a change of NATURE, not ability to understand the "Deep things" of God, although that can be included in the annointing. But it does not have to be. Which is better or more spiritual, to have all knowledge, or to have Love? Which is better, to be well versed in Gods mysteries, or to have Goodness, Peace, Patience and Kindness down packed into your very being?

So the calling of God, or the drinking of Milk, is a stage or " State of BEING." Its a type of Spiritual existence, being mixed with a carnal existence. They both are there. This is a very, VERY , hard way to live. Its really tuff, this other side of the calling. ONLY Gods hand can do something like this. Place a human into this kind of existence. I won't get into the meat stage much, which I believe to be the chosen stage, or the new nature, not mixed with a lot of carnality.

Now, many are called but few are chosen, means that God is investing still in BOTH groups. The chosen is just more glamourized, for obvious reasons. But the many are an investment of God also. In fact, he is investing into FAR more  humans in this group.

And that means something, which I want to get into.

Peace.

[Nathan]

Well, before you "get into that" . . .I think the milk part, is dealing with the maturity of the believer.  Those that "can't drink milk at all" to me are those that reject pursuing Christ.  If you believe, then you're capable for the milk.  God wouldn't redeem you without also giving you the ability to take in that which matures you for more.   I see the many who are called are those that God wishes to become rivers to pour out his kingdom into others . . .and the few who are chosen, are those who are willing to let God fulfill the wish of his calling in them.

In other words . . .there are a lot of believers out there that are happy with just being believers . . .when God is calling them to be leaders, to be the gates of pearl that usher others into the kingdom of Truth . .but to be a pearl requires much "irritation"  (there's that word again Kim . . ) as a pearl is formed from an alien object lodged within the oyster.  Most times a grain of said . . .or . .a seed of faith sealed within one of us. 

And because it's lodged there, the oyster can't remove it, so it's body automatically releases from it's own body a substance (kind of like blood in us) that coats the grain of sand . . .and the longer it's there, the more coats it gets over and over again.  Over time, this becomes what we cherish as a pearl, but it's actually the body's way of protecting itself from any afflictions caused by an irritation. 

Not many people are willing to accept this kind of life.  There are many oysters . . .but few carry pearls.

[Mickiel]

Now, many are called but few are chosen, means that God is investing still in BOTH groups. The chosen is just more glamourized, for obvious reasons. But the many are an investment of God also. In fact, he is investing into FAR more  humans in this group.

And that means something, which I want to get into.

Peace.



Notice Revelations 7:9;" After these things I looked and beheld a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and ALL tribes and peoples, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes and palm branches were in their hands. ( the significance of the palm I will explain later). This group is NOT the " Few Chosen." Its the many called. This group is the largest, it engulfs far more humans, its the bigger investment, its the Kingdom Body. Its the Body of Christ. They are NOT " Outside" of the throne of God, they are standing directly in front of it. (the significance of that I will go into later, which points to oppisition to the teaching that only a few will enter into the Holy City).

The Milk drinkers, the Called but not chosen, are the Kingdom Body elect. This group represents a significant portion of the thinking inside of Gods Mind, because he is ALSO sending this group through some significant experiences. He is dealing with two natures in them, not just instilling one. And I believe that to be more difficult than the glamour and ever ready help that the annointed benefit from. The annointed are " Spared" many things, the called must suffer those things spared. Its a definte difference in these two realitys. And this is part of the " Fire of God", or how he thinks, what and how he does seemingly deadly horrible things, and good understandable things, this IS God.

A look at God, can be a pleasing thing, or a horrible thing, depending on what he wants you to see and experience. It can be a look at freedom or bondage. And I want to get into that look at God, a look at the other side of Bondage.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

In Revelations 22:2, later part of verse;" The Leaves of the Tree were for the healing of the nations." The nations here are not the chosen of God, but the Kingdom Body elect, those cursed and placed into bondage BY God. Healing will be needed and dished out, ONLY because pain and suffering has already been dished out throughout all of humanitys history. We have known only pain and misery, we have not known Gods Peace as a whole populace. This IS the many not chosen. This is the natural state of man. Its the other side of Gods calling, his largest investment, his largest reproduction. There will be more ressurections of sinners than Saints. There will be FAR more people in Gods Kingdom that were not chosen, so THEY are largely on Gods mind, they are the body elect. But his concentration for them, is future tense, as is really most of his creations, God has a definte tendency to concentrate on future things, although he is eternal present, he  still looks ahead.

Revelations 22:3 states there shall no longer be any curse, because there are now, and has been curses. Why should God build a Kingdom on the back on any demon curse, when he can build it on the back of his own curses? The bondage is Gods curse. And only he can free a human from it, as ONLY he can place a human into it.

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

When humans gather they like to discuss THEIR situation, their condition, their blessings, their destiny. But very few will discuss their curses. Will the lame want to discuss their infirmity? Will others listen if they do? Do blind people join the discussion concerning their blindness? Will sinners join the discussion and discuss their sin? Blessings are more glamourus, curses naturally are not, so blessings dominate the discussions. Espically when believers gather.

Women like to discuss their husbands, men like to discuss their jobs and income, and teens like to discuss the latest fads. Christians like to discuss their calling and their rewards, but hardly anyone  likes to discuss their curses, their bondage, muchless even admit to it. But God has the largest amount of humans invested into this area, and Jesus death is largely invested in this area.

I think that worth repeating, Jesus death is largely invested in the area of sinners, NOT the annointed. The annointed is a minor investment of God, but it still is a worthy investment, not to belittle it. I mean, who wouldnot want to be annointed? Well you would be surprised at how many humans couldcareless about being annointed, or even God himself. Its just that the annointed of God has been so glamourized, that sinners have been placed on the backbunner, as if God has than in mind also.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

God has INVESTED in the corruption of sin, as well as the carnality of humanity.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[peacemaker]

"This is not 2% milk."

peacemaker

[peacemaker]

"There are many oysters, but few carry pearls."

Great analogy, Nathan!

Lord, you work All things together for the good of those who love you and who are called, according to your purpose. I thank you, Lord, for the painful situations you have allowed in my life for they have turned my face back towards my "First Love." If it be your will, I will be healed from these infirmities. If not, your Grace and provision of "unfailing love" shall be sufficient for me. Not my will, but yours be done!

peacemaker

[Mickiel]

Just because you have been infested with carnality, does not mean God is not dealing with you, uninterested in you, or ignoring you. Or he would be this way with this world. God so loved this world, and it was  complettely carnal when he expressed his Love for it. The world Jesus died for was carnal, the people he loved were carnal. So the Love of God was expressed and shaped through the carnal nature in man, NOT through the redeemed man. The redeemed  man will try to monoplize Gods Love, as if its only for him. But such is not the case. The last will be the first, is a short installment of Gods true feelings for carnal humans. He Loves them. He calls the church out first, and they truly are going to be the last thing on his mind. The first thing on the Kingdom agenda will be the giant wave of carnal humanity to be ressurected and redeemed. This is a look at the other side of bondage.

Did you know that when something is done to everyone, it is made less of a thing to individuality. I can claim being special, if only I have a hold of something, but if everyone has a hold of it, it is not an individual thing. Salvation was conceived within Gods mind like this, its a family thing, a group thing, not a special annointed individual thing. The individuality of being annointed has been brought to the forefront by men, not God. Jesus intent is to serve humanity, while being King over them. We don't rightly understand the true meaning of that, most people who claim to be annointed, do not serve humanity.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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The individuality of being annointed has been brought to the forefront by men, not God. Jesus intent is to serve humanity, while being King over them. We don't rightly understand the true meaning of that, most people who claim to be annointed, do not serve humanity.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.
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Most people who claim to be annointed do not serve humanity, they serve themselves or their group. They section off like a group of individuals really, and tolerate each other, as a group of Kings would. Each thinking very highly of themselves, but tolerating the group of Kings as a whole. And when the Kings speak of the subjects, its always in some type of downward motion comming out of their mouths. In Revelations 22:12, Jesus states a principle of how he will judge EVERY human;" Behold I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to render to every human according to what they have done." This means according to two things really, how you have treated yourself, and how you have treated others. And this judgement will be issued out to every human, not according to any calling of God. This is a reward determination, not a punishment determination. So a person can overdetermine themselves , as well as underdetermine others, and this behavior could hold adverse effects on the rewards issued out in Heaven. Jesus intent is to serve, and his intent for his calling, is a calling of service, yet many called people,  view it as a calling to Rule over others. And this type of thinking comes out in their behavior. They are " Kings before their time", already talking about ruling, already expressing their desire to teach humanity. They have already subjected humanity, not truly understanding that Humanity was " Born into subjection." But not subjection to God, but subjection to sin, the other side of bondage. These born into subjection to sin, are the vast majority of humanity, or as Christ stated in John 9:39;" For judgement I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind." The main focus in the Kingdom of God will be on the blind, that they may now see, and those who see, they will become blind, or the Last will become the First, and the first focus, the church, will become the last thing focused on. The church willNOT be the issue. The individuality of being a firstfruit annointed, willnot be a determining factor in Gods Kingdom. Notice Christ parable of the Laborers in Matt. 20:1-16, a sure comparrison to the Kingdom of God future events.

He taught that the Kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early to hire laborers, or to call the firstfruits. They were given the job of " Setting the feild up", or you can say establishing and building the church up. He went out every hour and hired laborers, or called more people to the church as time went on. Well when the time for reward came, or payment, those called first were thinking they would be the Kings, or inherit higher positions, or more pay. But the owner, or creator, gave them all the same thing. Same reward, same position, same pay. Notice verse 15;" Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous? Thus, the first shall be last and the last shall be first." Other words, God will do as he pleases, and make Kings of whom he will, and reward people based on HIS wages, not their expectations. And he will render equally to everyman. Hes going to deal with this greed for Kingship, its already revealed in scripture.

God prepares Kingdom positions, not the firstfruits. Some Annointed people are staking claims to rewards, that when rendered out in the Kingdom, will surprise them how Gods standards really are, how God really is with what he owns. How he has a definte favortism for the underdog, those on the bottom.

And I want to go into Gods aspect of thinking like that, which is one of the reasons why humanity was created " As underdogs to Evil." Created to be humbled by things " Greater than themselves." How you can hold an honest assesment of yourself not being called or annointed, not being on top of Gods game, but yet still see the glory in  your suffering situation, still see God in that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Once a believer in God begins to realize that he is not called, not chosen, not annointed with Gods Spirit, such a one can begin to hate themselves. I know what I am talking about, heavily blame themselves. You start thinking and believing your not " Good Enough" to be called. To hate your life is not totally a negative thing, not in Gods eyes, because it was God who set up your life to begin with. He is the Potter, we are the Clay. The body count of believers not called is quickly mounting and growing, because they are the larger group. There are more and more people hating their lives, because they know they are not what they ought to be, not what they want to be. And this can be very depressing for a believer, you can feel that God does not want you now. Only later.

But listen to Jesus in John 12:25;" He who Loves his Life Loses it; and he who hates his "Life in this world", shall keep Life eternal." Whatever position God places us in, he does so for a reason, but the rewards shall be the same, Life eternal. Sometimes we can hate ourselves, seeking Gods approval, Gods attention, and if the truth hits us, and we come to accept the truth about ourselves, that we are not super spiritual, then our humanity leaks out to where it always was in the first place. We look into the mirror and see what we are,  a child of God in the Flesh.

The sickness of humanitys sin is NOT unto death, it is just like Lazarus sickness, the EXACT same reason is the same, " For the Glory of God." John 11:4. That even Jesus may be glorified " By our Sickness." Understand that, your condition, your pain and suffering, your humiliation, your position of having no position,  is an investment of God in corruption.

And I want to go into some things Paul spoke about this.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Again I stress that I am not speaking about those annointed, only those not chosen by God yet. Those like myself, I speak from the experience of not being chosen myself. I was subjected to futility, not of my  own fault, but because of him who subjected me to it. Look at that in Romans 8:20. This is a very strong biblical principle, creation, or humanity, was subjected to futility, or locked into disobedience, not of its own will, but by Gods will. If you have been called, but not chosen, that IS Gods will, and you must learn the VERY difficult lesson of comming to accept that. It " Is" Gods will that you not be chosen.

Verse 21; Creation itself, or humanity, has been " Set into salvery to corruption." They will be set free from salvery to corruption, so the reverse standard stands true, we have been placed into slavery to corruption. Then astoundingly, Paul even admits that the firstfruits groan within themselves, WAITING eagerly for adoption as sons. Oh what I can say about this scripture, this astouinding point Paul makes that even a Firstfruit, an obvious reference to those called AND chosen, Annointed,  are waiting for ADOPTION as sons, AND the redemption of their  bodys, which I think is an obvious reference to not yet being Born Again. Look at the verse for yourself, thats what I see in it. People with Gods Spirit IN them, annointed , called and Chosen, a firstfruit, WAITING to be adopted by God, and for their bodys to be redeemed! That means to be Born Again. But I don't want to drift into that too far, or I'll just keep going off subject.

The subject is a look at the " Other side", or not being called by God, but believing in him. No Spirit indwelling, only Spirit visitation. No chosen, only being called.  No internal Spiritual characther growth, only growing in grace and knowledge.

The " Twilight Zone", no place to be somebody. The inbetweener, neither cold or hot.

The Suffering.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now all of us who have not been called, but believe in God and Christ with all of our hearts, ( and I will keep repeating that this entails the largest group of created humans) there are far more people who believe in God who have not been called, in addition to the many who believe and have been called but not chosen, these numbers totally eclipse the few who have been chosen. This large group is very significant to God, and in my view, they outnumber the large group of unbelievers, but of course no one can really know that. Its just a suspicion of mine. They may have called or labeled God something different, given him a different name or emanate, but these early humans held to some kind of elysium, that after death things could get better. Generations upon generations of believing humans have lived and died in some kind of belief, espically the years after Adam, after Abraham, after Moses, people may have been heavily influenced by evil, but they still believed. And it was after the counsel of Gods will that they believed, even in their sins.

It was God who worked out the belief, and unbelief as well. Notice Ephesians 1:11;" Also we have obtained an inheritance, having been " Predestined according to his purpose", who works all things after the counsel of his will." God counsels himself. But notice closely the phrase " Predestined according to his purpose", whatever condition your life has began in, flourished in and you died in, all that was predetermined by God. Belief, unbelief, called, not called, chosen or died at birth, it does not matter, all human history was predetermined by God. Paul goes on in vs.12, he states; to that end we were the first to hope in Christ. Hes beginning to reference the firstfruits again, in vs. 13 he states that the first wave of the chosen will be sealed in Christ, and listen to him, " Sealed with the Holy Spirit of PROMISE who is given as a PLEDGE of our inheritance." Even AFTER the giving of the Holy Spirit, after being sealed, receiving the inheritence is still refered to as a " Pledge, or Promise", not things yet obtained personally. And again this is how I view the New Birth, it is a pledge, a promise , but it has not yet been obtained. This is also how I view being called but not chosen, its not over and done with, but you are now living without the Holy Spirit, but you will be grafted on to the same promise and pledge, just at some later time in the future. And ALL of humanity falls into this catagory, belief no longer matters in the future in the area of the calling of God. This IS the number that no human can count, it is the largest concern of God.

God has kind intentions for all of humanity, belief has nothing to do with that. Belief is nothing to God, he can install that into billions of humans in seconds, just as we install things and download them into our computers. So if your a sinner seemily out of control, but yet you have something within you, that is trying to believe, just keep your head up, your predestined future is far greater than your pitiful present. If you have a zeal for God, but it seems to be largely based on knowledge, but you can't seem to grow into the Spiritual giant that your heart desires, just keep your sanity, God has marked out beforehand, your salvation and security in eternity, he Loves you with all of his heart, even though your heart fails you.

And I want to go into the very real heart failings that not being chosen can bring about.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now listen, being called and chosen IS a bondage to God also, being called and not chosen is a bondage as well, just not as much honor in this life. In this Life, now the world to come will hold a far differing standard of honor than this world, remember that. As we examine our calling and election, we must also examine the fact that we have been called, but not chosen. Conversely, both ends need to be examined. This is a serious problem in those not called as well. Its serious with some who think they have been chosen, but are physocoligally unable to accept they may not have been chosen. They just cannot accept it, so they are living out their lives in a serious illusion, this is the group that confronts Christ in complette confidence, and Jesus tells them he never knew them. Jesus didNOT mean that these people were unbelievers or some kind of evil people, he just relates that the Father never chose them at the time that they usurped the position on their own, or they took the Kingdom by the violence of their own belief, because these ARE believers! And these " Take a whole lot of positions from scripture."

So this is one of the greatest adverse " Side Effects" from not being elected by God, weather the human can physcologically accept that in truth, or if they will stick that truth into a serious turtle shell, and protect themselves with a serious wall of protection and pacification. One of the side effects of not being chosen, is denial, and you try to take what has not been given. You steal the blessings, and live out your life in a stolen identity. Believing yourself to be something that you are not. Now, when this kind of believer becomes a teacher, the damage they can inflict is very serious, and is a root cause of religious deception.

And I want to go into several more ways of dealing with not being chosen by God, the other side of this great calling.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Ephesians 1:3-4;" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with EVERY Spiritual blessing in the Heavenly Places in Christ, just as he choose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be blameless before him. In Love." This is another contrasting problem for those not chosen, we are NOT blessed with " Every Spiritual Blessing." Those chosen are very fortunate indeed to have such a life as this.

But we don't have this, we are not spiritually blessed with  everything. We may have belief, knowledge, and a ton of Gods grace, but it ends there, thats all we have. We must live with the understanding that God has not chosen us, and its not easy to do. Its easier to lie to yourself, or allow others to get you to join their lie, live in " Spiritual denial" with them as brothers and sisters, keep yourselves company, avoid the misery of the truth.

Notice being " Chosen" is not a present or future thing, concerning those who were chosen, its really a thing of the past. They were chosen " Before the foundation of the world was laid", so it had absolutely NOTHING to do with them, how they lived during their time, what kind of human they were or are, because they were not even alive when they were chosen! But even some of them cannot understand this, they feel it had " Something" to do with them. Conversely, all " Not Chosen", were also not chosen before the foundation of the world was conceived by Gods mind. So then not being chosen or called by God has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the human, they were not alive when their fate was conceived.

So a serious problem with many not chosen, is they cannot accept their present predestined fate. Oh and that is understandable, and God knows this, he is complettely aware of this delima, and will help all those involved. It is far easier to accept being called and chosen, than to "not " being gifted with this " Special Attention" from God. Unable to accept this truth, which is about themselves and God, how can they then absorb much of the truth that is in Christ? So the denial opens up doors of other problems, one being the discernment of more truths.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

The calling of God then is " Spiritual", people were called before the dawn of time , because of Spiritual reasons, or that is to say, nothing human and of the flesh, which again eliminates any personal reason a person could conjure up for their calling. You were called because of Spiritual matters, the fact that you are human, proves absolutely that you had NOTHING to do with your calling.

Conversely;

The facts that you were not called, or called and not chosen, are again Spiritual, not because you are carnal, sold into bondage. The decisions to not choose you during your time as a human, was a Spiritual decision, made by Spiritual beings, and your rejection had absolutely NOTHING to do with you and your sin! The decision was again made, long before you were even alive, so how you live your life now, has nothing to do with Gods decision to not choose you at this time. You have not been too evil, you cannot become " Good Enough to qualify one day."

So then another problem with many who cannot come to grips with not having Gods Spirit, is their inability to personally " Compete" for the prize of the high calling. They are personally trying to make themselves " Good enough", as if to leave God no other choice but to call them and choose them, not understanding God has already made his decision. Actually trying to manipulate God by " Their Goodness." And what they will evolve into later, is a teacher of themselves, who always finds the time to tell others about their goodness. Always telling about what they do not do, how much sacrifice they have made, its all about their life story. Their conversion story is their life story, it has nothing to do with Gods decision.

The calling of God can be masked by personal efforts to be good, but the rejection of God is misunderstood and feared. Because its not really a rejection, its a Spiritual decision made and enforced upon a physical people. Read the 11th chapter of Romans, Paul goes into the fact that God has not rejected his People, but the people were looking at Gods people as only being the nation of Israel. They didnot understand the predestined decision was Spiritual, and the nation God was building was destined to be a Spiritual Nation, comprised of all peoples. They were trying to understand the calling of God physically.

God has not rejected a people whom he foreknew, and had already predestined their situation. Why reject someone who you didnot call in the first place? Thats like refusing to give a job to an applicant, who has never even applied for the job. Its like refusing to give a raise, to someone who does not even work for you. Its extending a punishment to someone who has not even been born yet and committed a crime. No, branches were broken off, so that they could be grafted on again. Humans were shut up into disobedience, so that they would be shown the ultimate mercy that they now needed.

But rather than admit to being " Shut up", which is like God putting you into a closet, many would rather " Spiritually Rebel", or usurp a position from God, because " They know they are good enough", and they then live out their lives proving they are good, serving God all along the way.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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But rather than admit to being " Shut up", which is like God putting you into a closet, many would rather " Spiritually Rebel", or usurp a position from God, because " They know they are good enough", and they then live out their lives proving they are good, serving God all along the way.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.
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Another problem with people like myself who seriously believe in God, but do not really know him, is that they pay too much attention to others who have usurped their life in Christ. They give too much reality to others who really have no true relationship with Christ, but appear to have it. They give spirituality to people whom God has not given it to, and they give these kind of people great influence over their minds.

I used to do a lot of acting when I was young. I learned early on that you must convince yourself first, in your role, before you can expect others to believe your role. You must put yourself into the role, become the role, then you can project the role. This is exactly how people take the Kingdom by violence. Its how they call themselves. They put all that they have into the position, they become they desired position, thus, to them, they are the position. They are now called and chosen, and you believe them. So you give them place in your mind. They in turn give you a place in theirs, and that is how most churchs or groups of believers are formed.

Not really knowing the mind of God, people then only have their own minds to discover. I recall once writing on the discovery channel and I met so many people who just " Knew God." And so many who just " Knew there was no God." Then you get these two " Groups together", and they go back and forth. Then in comes a mind that is willing to discover God in truth, watching both groups go back and forth, like watching a ping pong ball travel back and forth across the table. And they get confused, not knowing who to believe, but attracted to both groups in many ways, both holding certain personal power to hit those balls of confusion, both inticing to the mind. And they just get more confused, trusting in the minds of men. NEEDING the minds of people, not really knowing the mind of God. And this goes on in discussions boards everyday, minds being influenced by " People who Know God."

In Romans 11:34, Paul ask;" For who has known the mind of God?" Who has figured God out? Who really knows God? When you begin to approach matchless wisdom, that is God, you pale in significance, no matter what you say or think. The ONLY way to know God, is to know that you do not know him, and pray that he deals with you from there. And IF he so decides, IF, then its no telling where you will begin from there. You can throw everythingelse you have learned out of the picture, because IF matchless wisdom is beginning to teach you, its going to start your mind from scratch anyway, and remove ALL that stuff you trusted in from other people. Now a sound mind is going to begin with you, and nobodyelse is going to be needed in that picture. Your tendency to NEED teaching from others will be TOTALLY broken!

And you may not like what is going to be taught. You may not like the position your put in, you may not like how people are now going to treat you. You may not even like the message.

You may not like the life he gives you, because it may not match this romantic " Spiritual Life" that others are portraying.

And I want to continue on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

I am often reminded of the intense " Need" of certain groups that gather, to believe themselves to be the annointed of God. People called but not chosen will try to attach themselves to these kind of groups, in order to pacify their hurt from not being chosen. The groups that have formed, may well be groups of believers who violently took the calling of God unto themselves,  stole his annointing, and fellowship with each under the rash assumption and illusion that God has annointed them into this truth. Violent because it is just that, to tell yourself and others that you have something, that God has not really given you. When these two groups converge, the called but not chosen and the called but not chosen who have usurped the choice unto themselves, a dangerous group mentality is formed, and they always pacify each other. Because the unity in Christ must then be mutated, acted out, believed in with intense emotion. And churchs are easily formed from this dynamic. Proud churchs, steeped in a rotating spiritual pride in their calling. This is also why many peoples work shall be burned up, but they themselves shall be saved, 1Corinth.3:15. Because their work, was their church, not Gods church. The Spirit was their Spirit, not Gods Spirit, but their Spirit was for God, believed in God, did things for God, lived for God,  they just didnot know their Spirit was their god.

I hold no intrest in what the churchs of this world are getting into, the people of God are getting into enough to intrest me. Gods people are messed up enough to hold my attention, Gods house has enough trouble inside to hold my curiosity. There is plently enough deception to learn from inside, than to concern myself with whats going on outside.

And I want to discuss that intense need to be " Inside of Gods Church." Because part of that need has assisted in creating whats on the other side of bondage.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

There are two common reasons most people hold the need to be in Gods church; for protection and survival. The uncommon reasons are status, the need to be different, prosperity and good health, lust for power, wanting to be on the side thats right or is going to win, and they just learned it from someonelse. If you compare these selfish reasons with these contrasting ones, you can see the rude nature in humanity;

Wanting to be in Gods church because you Love him. Because you desire deeply to serve. The need to help others, the need to build others up, a deep desire to spread the good news of God, you just need to be a support to others and you Love doing it and being it, you Love the Peace and Unity of Spreading Love and Truth.

The contrast between these two list; One is inward, the other outward, one selfish and the other unified in its desire for others.

We exist because God is unselfish, and we will inherit eternal Life because God is giving. The contrast to God is then total bondage, as opposed to total freedom. So when God created humanity and set up our reality as he did, only annointing a few at first, this advertly created several interesting dynamics that now exist within his called out process. In his effort to usher in freedom, it has created yet another kind of Bondage, with interesting side effects on the humans who were called but not chosen.

I can't dare say this was inadvertly caused by God, such would be blasphemy, so I said advertly, it was intended. What God intended he then has planned for, what he has planned for, we then can know he has made provision for.

This means God has made provision for those not annointed by him, not called or chosen by him. All that, supports the doctrinal belief we know as Universalism. And I want to explain that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Its my personal opinion, and observation, that the desire of most believing human beings to be a child of God, is the true source of their Godly experience. Not the Holy Spirit, not God himself or Christ, but their own strong willed desire to both believe in God and be in a relationship with God. Really, the truth be told, God has rejected more romances than any being alive. He has not rejected the persons salvation, but he has rejected their attempts at romance with him. But its the way that God rejects humans advances toward him that is so different. He just gives them the silent treatment, he does not " Do" anything. He does not tell them their advances are unaccepted, he does not stop them in their tracks. He sends absolutely no signs of rejection, he just allows them to do and believe as they wish, which IS a type of curse! When God leaves a human to themselves, to think and believe on their own, to form doctrines and gain insight on their own, to worship him according to your feelings,  that is simply a curse from God. If he lets your mind do its own thing,  You are NEVER going to get the Spiritual picture right.

The greatest human story ever told, is the bible story. The WHOLE story has ALWAYS been told. But it has hardly ever really been complettely understood. God gave the book, he gave us Jesus, but he didNOT give us complette understanding. And BECAUSE of that, we groupe and scrape ourselves to understand this story, and so many of us are personally trying to be a part of it. In essence, trying to " Write ourselves into the Story", trying to be a part of it. Trying, with all our hearts, to believe that God personally, has contacted us personally, I mean, how dare he NOT contact me! After all, I am me, and God must know me. I know me, and I know how Spiritual I am, thus God needs to catch up and discover me, that is if he is a righteous God, I must be included. And this is how most of us think.

Its like;" Well God you had better get this thing right with me, you KNOW I am your child!" And the desire and intent is SO strong, many of us just literally call ourselves to God. Why wait on God, when YOUR belief and Spirituality is ALREADY so strong, well goodness, you may as well walk out on your own faith. Your own understanding, your own emotion. In other words, a do it yourself advance on a relationship with God and the truth. And this is one of the most popular and illrepeated advances on God that I have ever observed, and experienced for myself. And in most cases, satan or demonic forces are not even needed, the person believes so much, is so strong willed in their belief, they can be left alone to guide themselves down the wrong lighted paths.

In example, I am a dual sided thinking man. On the one end, I can be VERY strong willed in areas that I interpit as being Spiritually minded, but yet on the other, very weak minded when it comes to personal Spiritual Characther development. And this is contridiction, and also why I can personally relate to Romans 7th chapther. There are two forces within me, tearing me apart, and putting me back together again. A continual humpty dumpty story, thus is my experience with God. It causes me to both Love God, and hate how he does me. Whateverelse I am, I must look at the bible and my life, and come away with a REAL assement of what I am, as defined by the bible. I have plainly looked into the fruits of the Spirit in Galations, and can clearly see in my life, that they are NOT there. So I know what I am, and what I am not. I have not been chosen by God. Possibily called, but not annointed with his Spirit. And these are things I had to accept about myself, and God has CLEARLY showed me that millions have NOT accepted this about themselves. And I certainly understand why. It can be embarassing, hurtful, a total bummer, heartrending and just a thing that can throw a human into complette , unrecoverable shock, knowing that God has not chosen you.

Yet this IS the total dynamic that I personally believe the 20th century churchs, and belief, have been built on, INCLUDING Universalist churchs, there are no exceptions to this. I believe to this day, this 23 of December, that the entire planet of earth, and EVERY single group that believes themselves Gods annointed, bar none, are going through this dynamic. And from this dynamic, God will call out a future church to come, not formed and developed by ANY group.

This IS the other side of bondage, but God promised to not do anything unless its revealed to somebody. Conversely, the other side of that promise, means he must also, along with the truth,  reveal the bondage, the deception.

Lets take a closer look at that in scripture.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Let these scriptures set a tone, or a " Pacepath" in your understanding, let Gods word be your pathfinder. Notice the tone of " Things will be revealed" being set here.

2Thess. 2:2-3, here it is being explained not to let just any spirit shake your composure, concerning timetables, or people telling you the day of the Lord has come. It willnot come unless somethingelse is " Revealed first", and I believe that comming revelation is " Just what sin is." Before God allows sin to complette its course, it will be explained.

The spirit world understands how anxcious humanity is to meet God, AND have the things of God, and they also know we are  scared of many of the prophecys in the bible, so they play on that. They'll say Christ is here, and he is not yet here. They will tempt " The kingdom of God is here", and it is not here yet. They will throw into your composure that you are now born again, and you are not yet there. Its just a common temptation and tactic, make you think its here, because you really want it to be here anyway. You want the things, desire the things, you want the church of God to be here. You want to be called, you want to have Spiritual gifts, your wants easily evolve into NEED! And when such strong lust has conceived, it will bring forth--- what? Well you think it will bring forth what you want. Really it will bring forth sin, and this is how God is going to reveal the man of sin. This very process.

And let me go further into scripture on revealing things to us.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now 2Thess. 2:1-3 really reveals how God often " Gathers his Thoughts." He creates humanity, puts the story out about Jesus comming, (and its no telling how often those humans of past thought other men were Christ before Jesus came, that error was done before Jesus came, its not just  a thing we presently have experienced) He gives us his son, and then takes him away from us. Now come on, thats depressing, give Jesus then take him away. Well Jesus promises to give " A Spirit" in his place. Now come on man, you just KNOW, EVERYONE is going to try to lay claims on this. This promised Spirit. If you don't have this Spirit thing, then you can't see the Emporers Robe, and nobody wants to admit to that.

So belief in God can be intimidating, all these scare tatics being thrown out, the pressure to be a " Called person", the pressure to have " Proof of your calling- like having Gods Spirit, being born again, the Kingdom being within you, all types of " Evidence" , to yourself and others. ALL of these kinds of drama, and how the drama has sucked us all in, IS the process of the man of sin being revealed. NOT how much sin has NOT done to you, but what it IS doing to you, and how easy it has done it. Yes, YOU, your life right now, your experiences right now with God and the bible and your current beliefs! NOT your sin of 10 years ago, not your sin you can see, not your sin that your proud of overcomming, that " OTHER" sin that you didnot see, that other lion that has got you in its grips already, without you knowing about it. That " Other meaning" of 2 Thess. 2:1-3 that you missed. That other thing in your head that exalts itself above the very knowledge of God, and teachs you its own knowledge, and you have believed it. You believe its already here, because you got it. And your not going to turn it loose.

Because it makes you feel real good about yourself.

But let me continue on to the next scripture.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

In Dan. 2:22, " It is God who reveals the " Profound and Hidden" things." The profoundness of the revelation of knowledge is not what you now know, but what you know about what you know. The " Inner core of Knowledge", or Wisdom. The profound and hidden layer within knowledge. And its the same way with sin. You can have a knowledge of sin, but when you understand what it is, how it got in you, what it does to you, how it blindfolded itself within you, then you are " Becomming Wise to Sin." Or, its being revealed to you.

You can spend time  and your lifes energy holding up the things that have filled your head with its loftyness, or you can spend time learning about what deceived your head.

The profoundness of sin is quite astounding, espically when you reference it according to what it has done to you. Sin can hide itself, mask and morph itself, like the chamelon, it can change its apperance in order to adjust to the environment it looks to invent in your mind. But this can be revealed. Again Jesus in Luke 12:2;" But there is NOTHING covered up that willnot be revealed, and hidden that willnot be known." This is the promise to reveal everything, including BOTH sides of the coin, not just one side. The other side of bondage will be revealed, the other side of Gods calling, those not called, will be revealed. The " Other Lion", that man of sin we cannot see, will be revealed.

The church God didNOT call will be revealed, those God didNOT give his Spirit to will be revealed. All distorted forms of deceptive knowledge will be revealed. THAT IS the man of sin being revealed, a complette course of sin will be opened up to our understanding. An explination of what tripped you up and how and why.

And why you were so attracted to what put you into bondage.

And I want to touch on that some.

Peace.