A look at the other side of Bondage.

[Mickiel]

When lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin. James 1:17. A look at the other side of Bondage, or the  other Lion, is often a look into yourself. Your inate desires that have sparked a whole new way for the powers that be to consider you. A whole new way to study you, a whole new way to see what really makes you tick, a way to examine you that is for real, and reveals who and what you are without prejudice or hypocrisy. A way that lights up your nature with no variations or shifting of shadows. A way to really get to know you. A way to understand what you would do in any and every situation, a way to get to the core of your very nature.

The man of sin revealed, is an introduction to yourself. An insight into the course that you were placed on and why.  Recall I mentioned that we do not need to be approached by demons in order to be led astray, we have enough in us to do that ourselves. We don't need the devil to confuse us, we do a good enough  job of that ourselves. And God does not have to mislead us either. All of this discussion about free will verses mans own will, or how God manipulates everything, bypasses some very important truths.

James 1:13;" Let no one say when he is tempted, that they are being tempted by God, for he does not tempt anyone." We are tempted when we are carried away and enticed by OURSELVES, our own will and desire. That is strong enough to give birth to the damage, without ANY outside interference by God or satan! Oh God and satan can and will influence, but the natural state of man does not NEED to be influenced to lead it to sin. God can ignore humanity and it would be attracted to sin on its own. Satan could be locked up and taken totally out of the scene and humanity would still be attracted to sin on its own.

And God knows these things. The world was on a course of sin from its conception, thats why Universalism is the only doctrine that matches the truth that could only be the truth. Because what is " In Man", is universally in every man and woman.

And allow me to show you something interesting about yourself. That other side of bondage.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

When we approach a study of ourselves, oh now were getting into some deep complicated stuff. A look at the other side of bondage, often reveals some pitiful things about ourselves. Did you know that some of us can be in bondage to our own mouths? We speak what we think are wonderful sounding things, and some of them may well be, but its " The other things" that we speak which often hurt ourselves and others. The other conversation that we have, the other group that we hang out with, the other thoughts that we think which we hide. Its the other way that we treat ourselves and others, its the other lion in our tounge that attacks and mames.

James 1:26;"If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not know how to control their mouth, this person deceives their own mind and this makes their religion, their way of life, worthless." You deceive your own mind, because your mind holds enough power on its own, independant of God or satan, to sin itself, and deceive itself. Now a mouth connected to a brain like this, is capable of most anything. Any of us are capable of doing the very things you complain of others doing. Your inability to control your mouth, can superseed ANY belief you claim to hold to. Your own mouth can render your belief useless. Do you see how much power that is?

If God really wanted to test any of us, he only has to put us into situations that involve our mouths. And the rest will be history. Part of the man of sin, is the csarnality in our own mouths. The mouth is a sure fire extension of the mind.

But let me show you another thing.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

People can actively seek and claim the calling of God for themselves. Be very serious and all for it in their hearts. They will gather together in chruchs formed, or stay in small groups and seek God together, using their aquired beliefs which they agree on. But can such behavior attain the other side of Gods calling? The true side, which personal effort has nothing to do with? The side which was determined before you were born, which again, means that kind of calling has absolutely nothing to do with you, because you were simply not even born yet, neither were your parents. But you see when people claim things outside of Gods will, they MUST prove to themselves and others, that they have it. It is impossible to prove to yourself or anyonelse that God has called you. If you disagree with this, then simply correct me, and prove it to yourself, then me, how you know you are called of God.

Then watch me pick apart any defense you so choose to present, it can very easily be done.

Why can it be done? Because the man of sin is in you. If you must prove your calling, then you are not called. If you try to prove it, then you must extend your will, into the mind of another human, and convince them, because you are hopeless to try to convince God of it. Let me show you the two sides of Gods calling. Notice Romans 11:7;" What then? That which Israel is seeking for, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened." It does not matter how sincere those who seek God are, nor  how strong your conviction is, if God has not  chosen you, your case for spirituality is just a hardcore case to prove. Yet the bible demands that we prove ALL things, but the usurpers of the calling ignore this when it comes to proving their calling. They pacify themselves and expect you to believe them. Believe them why, what do they have to offer as proof? Well they can only use scripture, or their own righteousness. The very exact things I can use to disprove their claims.

God choose a people, he choose Israel as a physical example of a comming Spiritual church. They were a disobedient rebellious people, a type of the SAME aittitude of those claiming to be the church  of God now! Israel sought God, but NEVER found him. They were NEVER spiritually chosen by God, but were PHYSICALLY chosen. They were hardened, given to the other side of Bondage. God was right there to be found, but Israel was not in the same area Spiritually as God.

Those who claim God, MUST show his Spirit as evidence, really the Spirit will provide the evidence for them, AND, provide the evidence of not being called. But this evidence is highly ignored. Broken branches trying to graft themselves back on to the tree. So God gave them over to a Spirit of " Stupor", or he left them alone in their bondage, left them to their mind of Sin, or the man  of sin. Part of the man of sin revealed, is the stupor of God inflicted. Then the ignorance of man trys to be the wisdom of God, on its own. Impossible and worthless. Again these are the people Jesus never knew, those who cannot see that Jesus didnot call them.

This is the other side of Christian believers bondage. And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

The other side of christian believers bondage can be seen in Romans 11:9;" Let their table become a snare and a trap, and a stumbling block and a retribution to them, let them become blind, and be bent over forever." Their table, or the knowledge that feeds them. The knowledge that they spit out on your mind, your message boards, your attention. Their table, their source of wisdom which they believe is God. THIS IS their trap, the other side of their calling. What they are actively learning, believing to be the knowledge of God, IS actually their  trap, it has gripped their minds and willnot let go.

Spiritual believers, wells without the actual water, but they think and believe it to be water, because their wills are so strong, their belief so strong.

Trapped and snared by the real rejection of God.

And what does God do about this?

Nothing.

He sits in wait.

But let me explain why.

Peace.

[SQ]

Interesting.. :thumbsup:

[Mickiel]

One reason why many struggle with understanding scripture is that they " Gloss Over it", they see a shine and don't go into it as much as they could. If only they would " Think with the scripture", instead of repeating its gloss. The bible is really a book that you need to " Think with", or all you get is the shine. But most are content with the gloss.

Again Romans 11:9-10," Let their table become a snare and a trap, and a stumbling block and a retribution to them, let their eyes be darkened to see not and bend their backs forever."

Much is being revealed here, there is a lot here to learn, but if I do not take the time to think about the message here, then its simply not for me.

Let their table become a snare and a trap; table, or where you feed at. Table, what place your source of nourishment is comming from. Table, a church, a group, a website, a forum discussion, your source of spiritual nourishment will become the place where you are trapped into deceptive beliefs and knowledge that will keep you in areas of no growth that is significant.

"Let their eyes be darkened", meaning they were not darkened before. The people being discussed here are people who believe and worship God, have a significant way of seeing God, but will now loose that and become blind spiritually. You can't dismiss this scripture into some meaningless verse that you can pin on unbelievers or some group other than the one you are in. This is talking about a serious Spiritual bondage of a group of believers.

God is going to spread Salvation around, but he first has spread some serious confusion and misdirection around. We got groups of spiritual believers that don't even know they are deceived. Their in bondage, but live as if they are free, talk as if they are free. And they give aggressive defense of their beliefs. The born again crowd, who have already asscended into the Kingdom of God. Sinless and self described ambassadors of Christ. Serious christian believers, tounge talking tutors of any who would listen.

Not even seeing the real bondage they are in.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now if you " Get into" the 11th Chapter of Romans, the main message involved is that a group of believers or called out people, can actually be used by God to usher in a totally new era of " Other people". God calls out a group, Israel, makes them his own people. Then turns around and uses them as an example of how he can be followed by a group, that really has their self intrest at heart. But he uses that group to open up the door to all other groups he has not yet chosen.

Now, fast forward into this present age. What makes you think God has changed? The group he is dealing with now, will only open up the door for all other groups to be ushered in, grafted in. They are just as selfish as Israel, just as blind, and just as arrogant. Their failure will be the riches of the groups to come. Their bad example, will be the learning of those to come. Their spiritual greed will be the role model of the groups to come, serving as a warning of what happens to a people who claim everything now. They start building their own spirituality, their own monuments.

Its the other side of bondage.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Paul knew about the other side of believers in bondage when he said in Philippians 2:20-21, that he was sending Timothy to them, because he had no onelse to send who was really concerned with their group. He couldnot send certain brothers because they were the kind of believers who " Seek after their own intrest."

Believers who seek after their own intrest are usually the most  powerful believers, the most popular and the most influencial. They become the leaders nearly every time.

The church at Philippi  did not hold a lot of doctrinal errors and were espically close to the heart of Paul, but many of them were anxious and and needed more peace of mind. They were a group that Paul wanted to guide himself and let none others spoil them.

And I want to look at what being anxious can do to increase bondage.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Being anxious for the things of God is like being in painful suspence or uneasiness concerning things that are really future tense concerning how God does things. Things you really desire now but cannot wait for, for whatever personal reasons you may have. It is uncertain concern about yourself, your calling, your future with God. This can actually increase bondage and place more of a heavy burden on yourself. To find release, the person may opt to imagine that they have, what has not been yet given, in order to ease the anxiety.
This is understandable and natural, also why it is very easy to fall into. A great falling away of believers does not have to mean that believers now do not believe, it can mean they have been misdirected, and have simply fallen away from Gods direction for them, they take off into a belief that is not yet the path for them. And I think this way about the belief of the Kingdom now being within and several other popular beliefs.

Notice again Romans 8:23;" Having the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we are experiencing heavy burdens, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies." Ask yourself why a person with Gods Spirit , must wait to be adopted by God, IF they already are adopted? Why must they wait for their bodys to be redeemed, if they are already born again? You wouldnot have to hope for something that you already have obtained. But if it has not been already given by God, then you are set to wait for it, verses 24-25.

But being anxious can drive a believer to make moves on their own.

Isaiah 26:8;" Indeed, WHILE following thy judgements we have waited egarly for you O Lord." WHILE we were  yet sinners, Christ died for us. Jesus didnot wait to die for ua, we need not wait for our salvation to be secure, but we must learn patience, a sure fruit of the Spirit, and accept that waiting is a biblical standard with much meaning. Psd. 40:1;" I waited patiently for the Lord, and ( Then) he inclinded to me and heard my cry." Being anxious causes you to ship the waiting process and take Spiritual things by force, in order to pacify your mind and belief, you are trying to escape bondage.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

The natural human inclination is to try to escape bondage. Try and remove yourself from the trap. Notice Jesus facing the impending  bondage of dying and death in Matt. 26:42;" My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, thy will be done." Again Jesus, our stellar example, is facing severe suffering and death, wonders out loud in prayer to God, if he can get a pass from this experience. No pass was granted by God. God said no to this request by Christ, an absolute no. Listen, we need to understand that God will say no to us! You may want a spiritual gift, a Spiritual position, A great Spiritual talent, and if God says no, how are you going to discern that? Jesus was complette obedience even BEFORE God answered his prayer! Jesus had already submitted to Gods will for him, even before he knew Gods answer.

Imagine that. Its like asking God something, and then telling God that if he does not give it, you will follow his will anyway. Like asking God for his Spirit, if he does not give it, what will be your reaction? Will you then live as if he gave it, or live in complette submission to his not giving it?

And MANY believers will be judged on this.

Now let me show you something of intrest.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Now when other people put us in bondage, we can be so patient with that. Women can be so patient with the bondage men put them in. We are patient with the bondage our jobs place on us. We endure with love the bondage our children place on us. Even patient with the bondage our pets place us in. Oh but if God places us in bondage, we get all bent out of shape. 2Corinth. 11:20;" For you bear with anyone who enslaves you, if they even devour you, take advantage of you, if they even physically hit you." And believing females need to really pay close attention to this. Females will endure more bondage from men than they will from God at times. And its something seriously wrong with that. Certain men will allow their Jobs more control of them than they allow God, and its equally something wrong with that. We have forgotten how to pace our sufferings. We are trying to control our sufferings, a type of self survival.

And let me get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

A saint is by DEMAND a subject of suffering. This cannot, willnot be avoided! You can't pacify Gods will in this area. We have become so soft, so spoiled, so much kings before our time, that many of us really believe that God has granted us a get out of jail free card! Don't you know there are humans really suffering here on earth, the protective sheild of law in America does not exist all over this earth. There are people who have known NOTHING but suffering all of their natural lives! Heb. 2:15, some have been slaves all of their lives. Subject to salvery.

And here comes a person who fashions themselves called and annointed by God, acting as if they are suffering free. Trying to live as if Gods way is to grant those annointed, a pass to the suffering. This kind of believer has even dared to ask God to remove them from the suffering. And they really seem to believe that God will do as such.

They really do not know what they are believing.

All who are called by God, are called to come to the suffering. Called to the other side of bondage.

And let me continue  on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Look at the other side of bondage. Again Jesus in Matt.16:19, " I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; and whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven." Now understand this about bondage, whatever bondage we are placed in on earth, Heaven has already agreed with it. Its a reality both on earth and in Heaven. Whats free on earth is free in Heaven, whats bound on earth is also bound in Heaven. Its a reality of agreement, if you are bound on earth you are not free in Heaven. One may like to think they are, but they are not. If your Free on Earth, your free in Heaven.

Much like the principal of a tree and its root system. Whatever part of a tree that you see above the ground, the same kind of form and shape of that tree exist beneath the surface in the root system, just not as dense and hard. But each branch that shoots out and up, has an exact root   below the surface that does the exact same thing. We just cannot see it. The bondage on earth, is bound also in Heaven. Thats why we can't get out of it without Heavens help.

But let me show you somethingelse.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

  I don't want to be negative, because this truth about being bound is bad enough without satan in the picture, but even so, satan can bind people too. Luke 13:16, here satan has bound this woman for 18 long years. Look at verse 11, the woman had a sickness " Caused by a Spirit", she was bent double and couldnot straighten up. Here we learn that satan can actually CAUSE physical human ailiments and severe physical impairments. Including both physical and mental retardation. This then is yet just another side of bondage.

Notice Jesus in verse 12, " Woman you are freed from your sickness." He freed her, freed her from what, freed her from the bondage of her sickness. So sickness itself is a bondage.

And that leads to somethingelse.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

  I don't want to be negative, because this truth about being bound is bad enough without satan in the picture, but even so, satan can bind people too. Luke 13:16, here satan has bound this woman for 18 long years.

Imagine that, satan binding a human for 18 years. Thats a long time, its also then a " Fellowship of Bondage." Its a type of relationship. And also an insight as to Gods patience. This means God will allow satan to punish and torture humans for a very long time. Human time that is. The concept of God allowing satan to punish humans is just misunderstood, not untrue, just misunderstood.

And I want to compare that to universal Salvation doctrine, and the doctrine of Eternal  hell punishment.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

One of the  most crippling ways that satan can punish a human believer in God, is to position them into a mindset of believing that they have Gods Spirit, when really they do not. Its a perfect trap, a bondage born of perfection in how to deceive. It reveals satan in his ultimate  power to deceive, his deceptive ability shown in a masterpeice of his work. He actually uses the humans belief, their heart, their characther, all imposed into an elaborate deception, the ultimate bondage.

Because , you see, if you want to take  the air out of the baloon, if you want to expose any believer as not being chosen of God, you just remove Gods Spirit from the scene, and they don't have a leg to stand on. They MUST believe that they have Gods Spirit, or they equally must admit to not being chosen. But the immemse pride of believers will NEVER admit to not being chosen, not having Gods Spirit. The great falling away, in my view, is the inability of humans to accept Gods timetable for them, and the actual SHAME believers will experience when God does reveal that he didNOT choose them, and he chooses someonelse. Whole groups of believers will be put to shame for jumping the gun and claiming to have things that they didnot.

God will choose the weak who told the truth about themselves, meaning they were able to see absolute truth, because it starts with yourself.

And I want to get into that truth.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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God will choose the weak who told the truth about themselves, meaning they were able to see absolute truth, because it starts with yourself.

And I want to get into that truth.

Peace.
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When you can see that you are not increasing in Love for all men, in this manner you can know that you are on the other side of Gods Spirit. Look at 1Thess. 3:12-13;" And may the Lord CAUSE you to increase and abound in Love for one another, and for all men. So that he may establish your hearts in unblemished Holiness."  It is God who CAUSES a believer to increase in Love for everyone, I am not increasing in Love for everyone, so I can know that I am on the other side of Bondage, not having Gods Spirit. My heart is not the kind that Loves everyone, so it is not established in that kind of Love. And thats just the truth about myself.

When God calls you, and then later chooses you, he then sanctifys you, not with impurity, but in Holiness, 1Thess. 4:7. And a believer who has reached this point must examine themselves carefully, 5:21. Not just making these claims emotionally, but using your Life honestly to describe what the scripture is describing, and fully knowing that it is describing you. Conversely, those of us not called must examine ourselves and understand that we are not called, not growing in this Love, not sanctified in this Holiness.

Learn to be for real with yourself and admit what you are. Then live in that honesty with an eye open with the TRuth. Letting your Hope be in God, to bring you to the other side of Bondage.

Peace.