A little more on Gods Fire.

[Mickiel]

It's easy not to care Mickiel, it says nothing of spiritual growth other than it being stunted.

I have made no claims of Spiritual growth, I have consistantly claimed that I do not know God, because that is simply true. I have claimed that I do not have his Spirit, because that is simply true. And I don't have a need to mask my sinful symptoms, I hold plently of sins, if you need to know them, simply ask and I will share them, if that is what you need from me.

I am growing in Grace and Knowledge, nothingelse at this moment, I have not progressed beyond being a sinner in need of his God. I am growing in Grace, or the need for forgiveness of my sins. I am growing in Grace, or the consistant revelation of my sins, and the consistant need of God to help me out of my weakness, and forgive me during this long progress.

I am Growing in Grace, or the constant revelation of my sins to myself, but will share that if others need to hear it. I am Growing in Grace, or the constant awareness that God is not removing certain sins from me, but consistantly forgiving me for them. I am Growing in Grace, or the truth in my life that this Grace is sifficent for me, even though I would rather have perfection in my life and complette obedience. But I am only given the Grace, and the Grace grows symectrically according to my sins, not canceling them out of my characther, but eraseing them from my condemnation.

I am Growing in Knowledge, but not the Knowledge that this world is Growing in, my Growth is heading off in its own direction, not fueled by me. Goodness, I would rather join the crowd, but my knowledge is not growing toward the group, but away from them.

This is my life experience, my understanding, and I don't care what others think about it. I seperate myself from the foolishness and insanity, so that it willnot adhere to me. I am not called to preach to and teach this world, nor a church. I am not called at all. I would like to be called, and be a part of a group, but its just not happening according to my will.

If I had my way, I would be just like everyonelse. But I am not getting my way with God.  If I got my way with God, I would never sin again. Well I'm still sinning, and still not getting my way. I hunger and thirst for righteousness so bad, I sometimes would rather be dead, than be a sinner.

You don't know me or my heart, so I couldcareless what you say about me.

Peace.

[Paul Hazelwood]

  What I am saying is in the spirit of correction, claiming I do not know you or your heart is indeed true, but beside the point.   

Christians gather within the walls of their buildings and try to build this realm apart from the physical world and thats not what the scriptures are talking about.

Jesus went among those the christians tend to try to stay away from unless they are on some mission to squeeze the sin out of em.   What I am talking about is when someone doesn't care about anything but their own direction is is not what believers are called to do.    I do not have to know you to make a comment on what it appears to be that your saying.

You may find it more comfortable if no one talks to you, but I used to be that way, and knowing someones heart or not, we should encourage one another to seek breaking those chains.  It is not the path of believers to isolate themselves.

It is words for that purpose only,  I can't make anyone do anything, nor am I trying, but I will not sit by and say nothing, if I feel something needs to be said.

The path to righteousness is not isolation from the world.  It is learning how to live in it and not be captured by it.   Isolation, emotionally or physically is bondage and of the world, so sometimes trying to avoid it, you do not see the cage it becomes.

[Mickiel]

You don't know me, nor how I spend my life, you just assume because I choose not to talk to people about certain views they have, that I am an isolationist. I hold two full time jobs, one is a counselor for the Federal Board of Prisioners. I counsel these 5 nights a week, and teach classes twice a week. I would rather do that, than to pascify christian cinicisim about my personage. I choose not to deeply engage you and TonyN, and from that you assume the things that you do. I simply hold no intrest in you and he, and simply told you that.

I write at 9 different websites, commune with who I please and ignore who I please. Save your correction, or the need to correct, for those who are interested in the correction.

I am not interested in the gatherings of Christians, and I am very at ease with just talking to myself on websites. If what I am saying gathers no intrest, I stop the monolouge. If it gathers intrest, I continue. At times it gathers much intrest, and I stop it anyway. But I NEVER continue talking when there is no intrest. I never do that.

And I never let what others like yourself, who seek to correct me, deter what I am saying.

Peace.

[Paul Hazelwood]

You are correct and I was out of line.  Sorry.

[Tony N]

I have made no claims of Spiritual growth, I have consistantly claimed that I do not know God, because that is simply true. I have claimed that I do not have his Spirit, because that is simply true. And I don't have a need to mask my sinful symptoms, I hold plently of sins, if you need to know them, simply ask and I will share them, if that is what you need from me.

Dear Mickiel,
I appreciate your oppenness.
I am curious how one who does not know God nor have His spirit can teach those who do?

You keep saying you are growing in knowledge. That is good!

I do applaud you for searching the Scriptures. Do you want to know God and receive His spirit?

[Mickiel]

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Dear Mickiel,
I appreciate your oppenness.
I am curious how one who does not know God nor have His spirit can teach those who do?

You keep saying you are growing in knowledge. That is good!

I do applaud you for searching the Scriptures. Do you want to know God and receive His spirit?
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Who am I teaching? Search this website or anyother, and show me where I have claimed to be a teacher of God? Just show me. Produce anything I have said about teaching for God. I am curious as to where you have come up with this teaching stuff. I openly share my views, I am not a teacher of God. How can a person teach for God, and don't even know God themselves? I grow tired of these false accusations, which is just one reason I do not like speaking with you.

You have said that I am a teacher far more than I have claimed it. It is YOU who are mistaken, and you take your confusion as a means to question me about things I have NEVER claimed! Never even stated.

Again , show me where I have claimed to be a teacher of God. Now when you cannot find that, then will you be able to face the truth about your own imaginations? YOU imagine, that I believe myself to be a teacher of God, YOU assume because I post and write my views, that I fancy myself a teacher of God.

I teach carnal people about the reality of comming out of jail, and preparing themselves for society, I teach nothingelse. Now, God MAY call me to teach, but he has not now. And he may never. Others have tried to label me a teacher of God, but I pay no attention to THEIR claims, its not a claim of mine. Just as I pay no attention to those like yourself, who accuse me of portraying myself as a teacher of God. I am not going to even entertain the silly question of if I want to know God and receive his Spirit, because its a quesation based in foolishness.

And I want nothing to do with your foolishness.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

This is just another reason why I dislike speaking a lot to people about Spiritual matters, and perhaps why God will never call me to teach for him, because he knows how much I dislike conversations with certain people with " Things in their Spirit."

Later on in the year, I am going to share a post I am looking into entitled " Limit your exposure to Insanity." I am thinking on shareing it, and oh how I got a hankering to share it. Shareing is NOT teaching, people have just tried to make a ministry out of shareing, as they make a ministry out of everythingelse.

People will sidetrack you, mostly because of THEIR insecuritys. Distract you, and try to get you to focus on THEM, and get off of the message that THEY dislike!

And So I am going to get back on track, with a little more on Gods Fire, and close this thing out, because the distractions irritate me a little too much.

Peace.

[Paul Hazelwood]

People will sidetrack you, mostly because of THEIR insecuritys. Distract you, and try to get you to focus on THEM, and get off of the message that THEY dislike!

This is true and God is burning out of me the insecurity that when someone does not want to talk with me, that there is a problem with me.   But that is not true as I am learning.

[Tony N]

Mickiel,
Take a chill pill dude.

I never said you were a teacher of God and don't believe you are. The point is that if you come to a Christian message board and post stuff like you've been posting you are teaching Christians whether you don't like the term or not.

You are blind and trying to teach the seeing.

Take my earlier writing to you as encouragement and take the burr out from under your saddle.

Tony

[Mickiel]

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I don't need anything from you.

[Mickiel]

If I may continue with just a little more on Gods fire. I showed in Revelations where God will make his people to be " Lights themselves", which I interpited as meaning being like God, or a being of Fire. God himself said in Hebrews 1:7;" Who makes his Angels Winds, and his ministers a FLAME OF FIRE." The terminology here  literally suggest a transformation from one reality to another, enabling the human, or even an Angel, to " Be and Do" other things not before.

Making his Ministers a Flame of Fire. Interesting.

Rev. 1:14, 2:18 and 19:12, all describe even Jesus very eyes to be like Flames of Fire. Jesus is already a Minister of Flame. Eyes like Flames, voices that hew out Flames of Fire, Ps.29:7. Fire beings. David said, or this could be David, God makes " Flaming Fire his Ministers." Which I think conversely means God will make his Ministers Fire. In Gen.3:24, A magical " Flaming Sword", guards the way to the tree of Life. Nothing can get in from any direction.

Gods Fire is used for Change, for insight, for protection, and for transformation, as well as destruction, judgement and rebuke.

Again Isaiah 66:15-16;"For behold, the Lord will Come IN Fire and his chariots like the Whirlwind, to render his anger with Fury, and " Rebuke with Flames of Fire". For the Lord will execute Judgement by Fire, ( This is the Lake of Fire). Notice it says that those slain by the Lord will be many. Interesting statement, I am not sure what it entails or means.

Anyhow, just a little more on this and I will close it out.

Peace.

[Tony N]

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I don't need anything from you.

:winkgrin: :happy3: :laughing7: Okey  dokey!  :laughing7: :happy3: :winkgrin:

[Mickiel]

I wanted to close this post out, I have enjoyed this topic, reading it over myself, I have learned much.

Gods Consciousness is a Fire, a type of Fire that burns. Flows. And his Conscious is a unique part of him, always with him. Always going before him. And it will one day burn within us all.

Peace.