A little more on Gods Fire.

[Mickiel]

Dear Mickiel,
I am curious what your thoughts are concerning what I wrote to you. Could you be specific as to what I wrote you?

Peace,
Tony

I have no thoughts on what you wrote. I did read it all.

Peace

[Mickiel]

If I may continue on Gods Fire.

Psalms 30:5;" For his anger is but for a moment, His Favor is for a Lifetime." Notice that, His Favor is for a lifetime. God actually does Favor people, he just likes how they are. And once he favors you, he just looks to you, sees to you, has a thing for you. And this is one way you can learn about Gods Fire, how he blesses you, and burns you. I mean just how he treats you, gives insight into his ways and means.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

If I may continue on Gods Fire.

Psalms 30:5;" For his anger is but for a moment, His Favor is for a Lifetime." Notice that, His Favor is for a lifetime. God actually does Favor people, he just likes how they are. And once he favors you, he just looks to you, sees to you, has a thing for you. And this is one way you can learn about Gods Fire, how he blesses you, and burns you. I mean just how he treats you, gives insight into his ways and means.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

I think King David is a good example of learning, and comming to know Gods Fire. Psalms 31:12;" I am forgotten as a dead man, out of my Mind, I am like a broken vessel." Read this chapter, look at Davids sorrow, as he is burnt. This man says he feels like he is " Out of his MInd." Just lost it. No need to pretend, hes just gone, burnt out and can't get a grip. Did you know that when God favors you, he will do this to you.

This is the Lake of Fire NOW! God is doing NOW, what he will do to humans in the Lake of Fire. Suffering with a purpose, pain with design. Humans in the Lake will be going out of their Minds, but God is doing that NOW, to certain humans.

Isaiah 1:31;" And the Strong man will become tender, his work also a spark. Thus they shall both burn together, and there will be none to quench them." A vision of the comming experience in the Lake, even strong hardcore humans, will be humbled by this. Again Jesus in Mark 8:35;" Whoever desires to save his life shall loose it." Here we will come to truly understand that our lives are not in our control. Self preservation is the main imputus within humanity, but placed into Gods Fire, there are no longer any choices, any will, any self preservation. Your just in a situation that only God controls. And this is how God really is.

Hes Loving, humble, gentle, BUT very controling. Very! Don't fool yourself, your life is NOT self determined, and neither is the Lake of Fire.

One thing I have come to know about God, he willnot talk to you, oh but he gets his points accross!  Another then, componant of Gods Fire, real heavy definte influence, often made through suffering. All who would live in Christ, MUST suffer persecution. Or, must be salted with Fire!

The Lake of Fire is situational, prefixed and ordained, just as the firstfruits must burn now, humanity will burn in its time. But we are already burning, humanity is already burning NOW! Already suffering. Thus we need to consider, why would God cause humanity to live in a type of hell now, then they die and  go to a worser hell?

Come on now, think with God. Learn to think like God. The suffering in the Lake of Fire, in your life now, has a purpose.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

[The Lake of Fire is situational, prefixed and ordained, just as the firstfruits must burn now, humanity will burn in its time. [/quote]

The Lake of Fire is situational, prefixed and ordained. You may not desire to get in it, but the situation is not of your choice. And the outcome is not about choice. Let me show you another thing. John 13:32, again Jesus;" IF God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and do that instantly!" If God wanted to do things instantly, he could, he certainly holds the power to do that, in such a manner. But Gods will is situational, he is imposing situations on humanity. Blessing and curses, good and evil, or, another true componant of the Lake of Fire!

We just tend to see the evil of it, and not understand that the wheat is growing with the Tare. And the tare imposes on our understanding far more than it should. From this we come up with all kinds of mixed views about whats truly going on. Because we do not truly know God, John 9:55, we do not know what kind of Spirit we are of.

Its a Spirit of Fire, a Lord of the Dragons, a being of Good will, but a being who burns inside. And when you burn inside, when you suffer, its a view of your Fathers inner feelings. God is burning about something, even Jesus was a man of sorrows. We are beings of sorrow.

So something is bothering God, and I think it is the knowledge of evil. Oh God could have created a whole society of beings, and kept evil from them. Which actually he already did in ther angelic community. But God wanted to get this over with, and bring something out.

The creation of humanity is Gods way of dealing with this situation, a situation he still controls very tightly.

But let me continue on that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

I think Evil, Bothers God, I do. His heart is purely Good, but this thing of Evil bothers him. And the whole earth moans, because God is bothered by evil.

Now consider this; God is the orgin, or beginning of this whole thing of Evil. Hes dealing with it, because he does not like it. But hes dealing with it. He could have kept it to himself and NEVER shared it with ANYONE he created!

Now look very closely at this point. Jesus in Matt. 12:35;"The Good man out of his Good treasure brings forth what is Good. The evil man brings forth what is evil." This is what men do, but look at what God has done. God has brought into reality death and evil, and done this out of the Goodness of his Heart, because he is NOT evil. So God is gathering the corpse. Jesus in Matt. 24:28;" Wherever the corpse is, the vultures will gather."

God bringing death and evil into a mighty gathering, only to extinguish them in a very powerful manner, which is why he breathed out this great Lake of Fire. Its his exclimation point, his discuss, and his predetermined solution of a thing which bothers him.

But why does Evil bother God? He, a being that shouldnot be bothered.

Lets look at that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

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Again Jesus in Matt. 7:18;" A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." This is why God created a Tree with BOTH fruit. Its a production of his discuss, his  way of dealing with this thing. But conversely an expression of his heart, his wisdom. Gen. 3:5;" For God KNOWS that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you " Will be like God", Knowing Good and Evil."

God wanted to open up Evil, or share it with his creations. Because he knew about it. Its mystery, its oppisition to him. Its very nature.

A REASON for the Great Dragon to breathe the Fire of suffering.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

[A REASON for the Great Dragon to breathe the Fire of suffering.

Peace.
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Now why cordinate this evolution of evil, with the creation of man. Why?  Why bring this into fruitation, combined with bringing many new born sons into glory? In this, is the thinking of God, who remember, is a being of Fire.

In this, is an awful, profound, revelation of what God is investing in humanity.

And this has NEVER been taught! Never revealed, never understood.

And I want to open that up.

Peace.

[Tony N]

Dear Mickiel,
I am curious what your thoughts are concerning what I wrote to you. Could you be specific as to what I wrote you?

Peace,
Tony

I have no thoughts on what you wrote. I did read it all.

Peace

O.K. friend, I was just curious if you wanted to dialogue or monologue. Now that I see it is the latter, I won't bother you. Well, I'll try not to bother you with your monologishness  :boyheart:

[Mickiel]

O.K. friend, I was just curious if you wanted to dialogue or monologue. Now that I see it is the latter, I won't bother you. Well, I'll try not to bother you with your monologishness  :boyheart:

Well I appriciate being left in peace, I value that. I like to both dialog and monologue, I enjoy both. But only dialog that intrest me, and I am simply honest about what intrest me. Most places I go, most dialogs that are occuring do not intrest me. Most of whats on television does not intrest me. Most people I meet do not intrest me. Most places I eat do not intrest me. Most new technology does not intrest me.

I see no faults in not being interested in what either someone is saying, or doing. Most new clothes being created, do not intrest me. Most animals do not intrest me.

At this point in my Life, very little intrest me. This is one reason I hope for another Life that does.

Or another conversation  that does.

Peace.

[Paul Hazelwood]

At this point in my Life, very little intrest me. This is one reason I hope for another Life that does.

Or another conversation  that does.

Peace.

Hi Mickiel,


I hope for a better life than the one I have, but I still love the life I have lived and it has been no picnic by any stretch.

I do pray that the depressiveness your experiencing right now is cleared to find many joys in this life.   

[Mickiel]

The four beast described in Daniel 7, are no doubt in my mind, Dragons. They symbolized Dragons. Deadly, strong, having wings and ressembling Animals. Kind of like a fairy tale, this story is being told as if its relating a tale of Dragons and Fire, at least it is to me. A tale that humanity does not understand fully.

Read on into Daniel 7:9-11;" I kept looking until thrones were set up, and the Ancient of Days took his seat; His vesture was like white snow and his hair like pure wool. His throne " Was Ablaze with Flames", its wheels were a burning Fire."( Notice the imphisis on Fire here)

Vs.10;" A RIVER of Fire was flowing and comming out from before him." A River of Fire was comming out of him or the Throne, both a " Breathing of Fire", something that Dragons do. Thousands were attending him, but none eing consumed by all this obvious Fire. I am convinced that you cannot see God, without seeing Fire, because they are intertwined and one. As is Jesus. The books were opened and the beast was SLAIN, not reborn, not changed, it was destroyed and " Given to the Burning Fire." I think this is the fate of all demons and satan. To be consumed by the Fire of God, that " Comes FROM God."

Now in Revelations water is shown to come from Gods Throne, great rivers of it.

Here is the ontrast in heaven, a great mystical place of Water and Fire. And Beings of water and fire existing there.

Both Gods throne and Jesus throne are ablaze with fire, or constantly burning. Why would a being want to be " In Fire", or on Fire? Or have Fire around them constantly?

Well because they ARE beings of Fire.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

[quote author=Paul Hazelwood



Hi Mickiel,


I hope for a better life than the one I have, but I still love the life I have lived and it has been no picnic by any stretch.

I do pray that the depressiveness your experiencing right now is cleared to find many joys in this life.   


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Well I am different than you, I hold no Love for the Life I have Lived. And I look for no Joys in the latter half of my Life. I look only for God, and I have yet to find him.

Peace

[Mickiel]

A great vision given Ezekiel in chapter 10 is of intrest. Great " Coals of Fire" that were between the Great Cherubs is discussed. The Glory OF the Lord went up FROM the Cherub and the temple was FILLED with the Brightness of the Lord, again making perfect sense, Fire and Brightness, or great Light.

Notice verse 5, the wings of the Cherub was so great and Loud, they were heard as far as the " Outer Court", and this was compared to Gods Voice when he Speaks, VERY Loud and Great, not this silent voice that many claim God has spoken to them in.

God is NOT a dull looking being, he is BRIGHT and emits great Glory, just like a great Fire! How is the earth given its Light? By the Great Fire of the Sun. How is the Kingdom of God given its Light, by the great Fire of God. Its just as simple as that.

And I want to go further into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

In Rev. 22:5, Notice carefully latter part of verse. There will no longer be ANY darkness, no need for lamps or the Sun. Now God is Light, or illumination, but notice: the Lord God shall " Illumine THEM!"

Look, this highly suggest to me that God will " Throw his Light ON them, and cause THEM to be beings of Light", or beings of Fire. The children of God themselves will be LIghts, or beings of Glory, which I think means beings of Fire.

Just as Jesus is the " Bright and mourning Star", or a being with such great fire that even space cannot hide him, so shall his people be.

THIS is being Born Again! Not this psudeo born again people are now claiming. The illumination of God being given to you is the true new birth.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

[quote author=Mickiel

God is NOT a dull looking being, he is BRIGHT and emits great Glory, just like a great Fire! How is the earth given its Light? By the Great Fire of the Sun. How is the Kingdom of God given its Light, by the great Fire of God. Its just as simple as that.

And I want to go further into that.

Peace.
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Just imagine looking into the Sun at close range, if, IF you survive the experience, you would be blind and burnt for life, or what would be left of life in you. This is one reason why I believe no human could look at God and Live. Just the rays of the Sun would do damage to you, NOT the Sun itself. So it is with Gods Glory, God himself wouldnot damage you, but you just couldnot handle his Glory comming at you in its brilliance.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[Tony N]

THIS is being Born Again! Not this psudeo born again people are now claiming. The illumination of God being given to you is the true new birth.

Peace.

Dear Mickiel,
Being "born again" has to do with Israel. When Jesus told Nicodemus "ye must be born again," he did not mean "you, Nicodemus, must be born again," but meant that "ye [plural] must be born again," and that Nicodemus, being a teacher in Israel should have known that meant that "Israel, as a nation, was to be born in a day." In other words, Israel was to come into being in one day (see Isaiah 66:8).

"If I tell you of terrestrial things and you are not believing, how shall you be believing if I should be telling you of the celestial? (Jesus Christ to Nicodemus, John 3:12).

[Mickiel]

THIS is being Born Again! Not this psudeo born again people are now claiming. The illumination of God being given to you is the true new birth.

Peace.

Dear Mickiel,
Being "born again" has to do with Israel. When Jesus told Nicodemus "ye must be born again," he did not mean "you, Nicodemus, must be born again," but meant that "ye [plural] must be born again," and that Nicodemus, being a teacher in Israel should have known that meant that "Israel, as a nation, was to be born in a day." In other words, Israel was to come into being in one day (see Isaiah 66:8).

"If I tell you of terrestrial things and you are not believing, how shall you be believing if I should be telling you of the celestial? (Jesus Christ to Nicodemus, John 3:12).

Well my views on being born again have been written here quite plainly, and I think enough times for people to understand them. Being born again has nothing to do with  Israel, or anythingelse on earth, for that matter. Its not an earthly thing. Its not a human initiated thing.

Its a God thing.

Peace.

[Tony N]

THIS is being Born Again! Not this psudeo born again people are now claiming. The illumination of God being given to you is the true new birth.

Peace.

Dear Mickiel,
Being "born again" has to do with Israel. When Jesus told Nicodemus "ye must be born again," he did not mean "you, Nicodemus, must be born again," but meant that "ye [plural] must be born again," and that Nicodemus, being a teacher in Israel should have known that meant that "Israel, as a nation, was to be born in a day." In other words, Israel was to come into being in one day (see Isaiah 66:8).

"If I tell you of terrestrial things and you are not believing, how shall you be believing if I should be telling you of the celestial? (Jesus Christ to Nicodemus, John 3:12).

Well my views on being born again have been written here quite plainly, and I think enough times for people to understand them. Being born again has nothing to do with  Israel, or anythingelse on earth, for that matter. Its not an earthly thing. Its not a human initiated thing.

Its a God thing.

Peace.

Mickiel, I say this in a loving manner: Since you do not understand the earthly matters, you cannot understand the heavenly or celestial.

Being born again is an earthly matter dealing with Israel being begotten anew.

That is what Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about. Jesus then told Nic that if he didn't understand the earthly, it was useless to tell him about the heavenly matters. And you want us to believe you when you write on these gnostic "hyper spiritual" matters of yours when you don't even understand the earthly matters?

[Mickiel]

[quote author=Tony N link

. And you want us to believe you when you write on these gnostic "hyper spiritual" matters of yours when you don't even understand the earthly matters?
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You are mistaken, I do not want you to believe anything I say, it matters not to me what you believe.

And I hold no intrest in the earthly matters. I do not write to gather the belief of others, nor their support. I write for one reason, and one alone; To express myself. Its just that simple, to get out, whats in me. Nothing more, nothingless.

Why would I be trying to get you to believe me, if I have already told you that what you have to say does not intrest me? If I was trying to get people to believe me, I would pacify them and take intrest in them.

I do neither.

I don't care what others think about my Spiritual Views.

Not one bit.

Peace.

[Tony N]

I don't care what others think about my Spiritual Views.

Not one bit.

Peace.

Dear Mickiel,
I realize, friend, that you don't care what others think about your views. I would not go so far as to call them "spiritual views" though for that is only in the eye of the beholder. I say that lovingly, by the way.

Being "born again" is an earthly matter concerning Israel being begotten in a day.

The sad thing about all of this is you are influencing other members of the body of Christ with your gnostic views. You see, Mickiel, it is beside the point if you don't care what others think of your "spiritual views." The point you should be concerned about is if you are correct in your views which you are teaching to the body of Christ.

For you to say:

"Just as Jesus is the " Bright and mourning Star", or a being with such great fire that even space cannot hide him, so shall his people be.

THIS is being Born Again! Not this psudeo born again people are now claiming. The illumination of God being given to you is the true new birth."

is not the truth. It is against what Jews was telling Nicodemus.

That is not what being "born again" means and is not what Jesus meant when He was speaking with Nicodemus.

Do you not care whether you are correct in your teaching to the body of Christ?

Tony

[Mickiel]

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Again I say as simply as I can, I don't care what you think about how I think. I just don't. I don't care about your fears about what I am doing, because I have greater cares that overide that kind of stuff. I don't care about this worlds condition, because I hold a greater care about the future of this world, which superseeds what I see going on now.

This is why I don't care what you think about my views, reguradless of weather you see them as spiritual or not.

I don't care about your mind, because a greater care has gripped mine.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

I think part of being caught up in the cares of this world, is impressing your care about things in the wrong direction. In example Mark 4:19. If someone has planted a thought that God wants to grow, God himself will increase on that thought. So I don't care about what I read, because I am under the influence of a power that will not give what I read any growth, outside of what he so pleases, so I neither worry about what I read, or what others read. Because there is a Spirit that sees to that discernment. If I show worry about that, then I think that speaks for itself, I then don't trust in that Spirit.

People start worrying about who is teaching what, and how others receive it, just do not understand the power of God. God has this thing in complette order, it is we who are behind. Too much worry about deceit can choke the word and it becomes unfruitful. Some actually looking to help others, out of their misguided concern, choke themselves and others along with them, on their crusade for teaching their own truth. This principle is repeated in Luke 8:14. They are choked because they care too much about the discernment of people, not  counting on the power of God to do its Job.

Part of the assurance of God, is that HE MUST bring us along , IN the Truth, and he knows the obsticles iunvolved in this. He set those in place too. He created the obsticle course, he created the oppisition, and it is HE who beckons us onward anyhow. NOT to remove the course, or somehow keep us from all these different teachings, but to GUIDE us THROUGH IT! But unknowing believers, want to eliminate the course, and set up their own way.

So they accuse others of being false teachers, and use their own discernment, to pick apart the Truth.

The Truth that THEY cannot see and understand, which leads to belief.

Peace.

[Tony N]

So they accuse others of being false teachers, and use their own discernment, to pick apart the Truth.

Peace.

Who is "they"?
Mickiel, please. You are incorrect, no matter how you cut it on your teaching of "born again." It is not just a matter of "If I (Mickiel) am wrong, God is big enough to make the truth grow." It is a matter of you being shown you are incorrect and you just poopooing that and going on with your spiel.

May I suggest something? Before you being a teacher of the body of Christ, do your homework first. Be "an unashamed worker correctly cutting the Word."

[Mickiel]

If I may continue with another look at Gods Fire.

I want to show you another mystery. Study Job 41. A most interesting chapter. Now I have expressed my belief in a Dragon tendency of God, and he reveals this ALL throughtout Scripture. Beings breathing Fire. Job 41 can be misleading, because it gives the Impression that the " Leviathan" in verse 1, is a great Fish. But listen, really it is a great DRAGON! He cannot be caught like any other fish with hooks, vs 5-8. Vs 9, our interpitation of this being is false!

In vs 12, it has Mighty strength and a well ordered frame. 13, its skin is like Armor. See the Dragon in this.

Vs 14-15, it has teeth and strong scales. 16-17, it can breathe underwater.

Look at verse 18, " His sneezes flash forth LIGHT, its eyelids like that of the mourning, (or Light, or Fire.)

Vs 19-20; Out of his mouth go burning torches; Sparks of Fire leap forth. Out of his nostrils smoke goes forth, as from a boiling pot and burning rushes.

Look, this is a dragon, and a great one. I don't care who accusses me of false teaching, I show nothing that is not in Gods word. Its just not in peoples minds.

Vs 21; " His breath kindles coals, and A FLAME goes forth FROM HIS MOUTH!"

Vs 31" He makes the depths boil like a pot."

Vs 33;" NOTHING on earth is like him." A being made without fear. " He is KING over ALL THE SONS of PRIDE." Interesting being, believe it or not.

But this being is NOT something God " Made up in fantasy to Job", because this is GOD describing this being." God created this Dragon. Takes GREAT PRIDE in Dragons.

And I am going to get back to this later and show you why. But I need to go through some other points first.

Peace.

[Paul Hazelwood]

It's easy not to care Mickiel, it says nothing of spiritual growth other than it being stunted.


This does not mean we shift with the wind because someone says we are wrong.   I care that I say what is glorifying to God.  I do not fear placing my current thoughts out there,  but I care.  And have seen that I was wrong on many occassions and repented for that.  Can God use what I said wrong to others?  Of course, does that mean I then justify not caring what I say, whether I am wrong or right?  No.

It's easy to shut off others in the name of seeking God only, but it is a mask of the symptoms that can be deeper in the mind.

The warnings in the bible are not about rectifying physical things by pointing out that which is physically in our reality as we know it.

It is the bridge to correction that sees that the care for the physical is the lesser.


God says if we cannot care for the lesser (physical)  , then what use will we be to the greater (spiritual)?