2 Peter 3:3 First of all, I want you to know that in the last days men will laugh at the truth. They will follow their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, "He promised to come again. Where is He? Since our early fathers died, everything is the same from the beginning of the world." 5 But they want to forget that God spoke and the heavens were made long ago. The earth was made out of water and water was all around it. 6 Long ago the earth was covered with water and it was destroyed. 7 But the heaven we see now and the earth we live on now have been kept by His word. They will be kept until they are to be destroyed by fire. They will be kept until the day men stand before God and sinners will be destroyed.
Anyone+ interested in giving commentary, examining and explaining some of the "difficult" aspects of this passage in light of UR? Thanks :)
One of my favorites James !
For me and my thoughts on this chapter is this :2c:,
Peter is describing ages of changes by the natural eye , it is all the same and carnally understood , all they see is destruction and death and wonder where is God in this world ? As unbelieving and unrepentant
The world has continued on its course in Adam all die because of sin , they hid from Gods sight , How many do you see like this now a days doing their own thing and body will die in their sins/errors .
as the days of Noah come and flooded the earth , I see God as wanting to save them , but , they did not desire the things of God so he turned them over to their own lusts and desires , as a baptism into death still to this day , because God is patient towards mankind .
Till everyone born of woman under the law of Moses , this is the moral law given to Israel by faith of Abraham and the traditions of men , Moses was a man given the law by God to prove and separate what was good and evil , there was no way of knowing good and evil till the law and ministration of death come and it was without mercy under this law if broken , but man used it unlawfully transgressing against the law of good and evil , an act that goes against a law, rule, or code of conduct; an offense.
because Mankind could not discern spiritual things , heaven had not opened till Christ come , as a man , born of woman under the law ,,, but really was sent from Heaven as the Only son of God sent down from Heaven , leaving his first abode ,
before everyone ascended , no one ever descended
There are scriptures to prove this , but I just simplified it here .
The royal law was always Love God first and foremost considering Him in all your ways and being dependant upon Him for every need and thankful and treat everyone in the same manner you desire to be treated with mercy
Gods divine natures are Love and Light and SPIRITUAL Fire Pure and Holy , we all as Adam were planted in a corrupt body , this natural body is undergoing death because it was made weak by God on purpose to prove the serpents LIE
in Gods mercy He even shortened the days of our flesh , knowing because of sin nature no flesh could be saved to the end in Adams 930 years to 70 years more or less , waiting on the Lord become discouraged with all this evil and death continually [ like Sodom and Gomorrah wickedness has increased as a fire of burning lust in the flesh by spiritual wickedness ruling over the soul / life and body ] and to even experience and taste the things of the Spirit of God
Spirit would fail if the Lord had not left us a seed / Word of God / the LORD JESUS CHRIST though the ages and stages of the world existence
The Lord God is awakening [rise up out of death ] those whom sleep in Adam/ spiritual death as the Day and Light comes though Him , His Word of LIFE by the Spirit of life to rule the heart and mind and body , making them a new creation
The old saying fighting fire with Fire , is of a truth , the fire of worldly lust brings destruction , but the fire of Holy Spirit brings new Life as he comes to us Babylon has since Gen 11 to repent of her ways and yet has not , but many of wonderful souls have come out of her and been delivered from her rule prison / and the plagues and curses upon her over the ages , but must be destroyed all evil must be destroyed by the Lords coming to save us .
The free gift of a spiritual Life in Christ was done before the foundation of the World , When John the baptist declared the truth , Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the whole world , we should have believed Him ...
But Believe Jesus the dead will hear His voice and Live that would be any of us at any time , many are being judged by what is in the body of death now , they just still do not hear His voice , till the Father says so . everyone will hear and live [ Jesus holds the power of death and LIFE now , satan's power is in the world , not in the Lords body [Heaven ] but the Lord has the power to save anyone out of the world at anytime because HE ALONE IS THE LORD OF ALL and overcome the world so greater is He than is in you than in the world ! we wait for it to happen each in their own order as called by name one by one , you know within your spirit it is true . that the outer man is perishing and does not know Gods will and desire and never could , because he is spiritually discerned , perceive with difficulty by sight or with the other senses. blind and cannot See God nor the things of God ... and subjected to the vanity of this life as fruitless corruption & error but keeps desiring to be filled by the things of the world and ruled under a bad and harmful spirit without mercy till it is no more able too /end . Christ will be giving them everything new , because HE DOES JUDGE IN MERCY and grace is what Jesus does by His own nature . HE died for them too ...
last but not least , those that are forgiven much LOVE much . Every knee will bow under His authority and confess Him . None of us , not a one of us can do nothing without the Lord Jesus Christ and all will realize this truth when the WORD OF GOD judges everything by His White throne , all that know Him already in the heavens that salvation was always of God and not of our own . Mercy was always hidden , from them till the end ......
the mercy seat was hidden by the cherubim of glory , we can not discuss at this time ... Hebrews 9 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of glory, overshadowing / HIDDEN the mercy seat. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.
I do believe this would be revealed when the Spirit of prophecy speaks , by the seals being opened and the BOOK of Life is opened up fully and the works of God are being manifested shortly OPENLY those hidden things of Gods glory to be revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ that at the time was not made known but By the Spirit of truth would be made known to us in the last hour as the world is being judged by the WORD OF TRUTH ..
Isaiah 57 explains so much
1The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart;
And devout men are taken away, while no one understands.
For the righteous man is taken away from evil,
2He enters into peace;
They rest in their beds,
Each one who walked in his upright way.
3"But come here, you sons of a sorceress,
Offspring of an adulterer and a prostitute.
4"Against whom do you jest?
Against whom do you open wide your mouth
And stick out your tongue?
Are you not children of rebellion,
Offspring of deceit,
5Who inflame yourselves among the oaks,
Under every luxuriant tree,
Who slaughter the children in the ravines,
Under the clefts of the crags?
6"Among the smooth stones of the ravine
Is your portion, they are your lot;
Even to them you have poured out a drink offering,
You have made a grain offering.
Shall I relent concerning these things?
7"Upon a high and lofty mountain
You have made your bed.
You also went up there to offer sacrifice.
8"Behind the door and the doorpost
You have set up your sign;
Indeed, far removed from Me, you have uncovered yourself,
And have gone up and made your bed wide.
And you have made an agreement for yourself with them,
You have loved their bed,
You have looked on their manhood.
9"You have journeyed to the king with oil
And increased your perfumes;
You have sent your envoys a great distance
And made them go down to Sheol.
10"You were tired out by the length of your road,
Yet you did not say, 'It is hopeless.'
You found renewed strength,
Therefore you did not faint.
11"Of whom were you worried and fearful
When you lied, and did not remember Me
Nor give Me a thought?
Was I not silent even for a long time
So you do not fear Me?
12"I will declare your righteousness and your deeds,
But they will not profit you.
13"When you cry out, let your collection of idols deliver you.
But the wind will carry all of them up,
And a breath will take them away.
But he who takes refuge in Me will inherit the land
And will possess My holy mountain."
14And it will be said,
"Build up, build up, prepare the way,
Remove every obstacle out of the way of My people."
15For thus says the high and exalted One
Who lives forever, whose name is Holy,
"I dwell on a high and holy place,
And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit
In order to revive the spirit of the lowly
And to revive the heart of the contrite.
16"For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would grow faint before Me,
And the breath of those whom I have made.
17"Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry,
And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.
18"I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,
19Creating the praise of the lips.
Peace, peace to him who is far and to him who is near,"
Says the LORD, "and I will heal him."
20But the wicked are like the tossing sea,
For it cannot be quiet,
And its waters toss up refuse and mud.
21"There is no peace," says my God, "for the wicked."
By this was prophesied before Jesus Christ come into the world openly showing us and all power and principalities are under His authority & new covenant now in effect and to save what is lost , imagine how far advanced it has become by now!!!
Jesus says come unto me all you whom are heavy laden and I WILL GIVE YOU REST FOR YOUR SOULS / LIVES
When we believe Him finally with our whole hearts , the peace and rest comes . as He finishes up the works of old .Fulfilling all things in and though Himself as total authority and rule under Him and at His feet /disposal to salvage or rid of , satan has no power over Jesus Christ but is subjected to Him also for the destruction of our flesh when handed over to him . ...
We rest in Hope and wait on the Lord for instruction , be still and let Him deliver , and do not budge from His peace and safety already comforting our troubled minds ., by His Word in us and Spirit working in us already .
GOD IS IN TOTAL and complete CONTROL ever and always being reconciled in Christ Holding the power of all within His WORD of life and By His own Spirit of Life ... :HeartThrob: U R is the power of God by salvation of God for His glory and we will all glory in the Lord in that day when evil cannot ever exist in the incorruptible witness WORD OF GOD By His HOLY SPIRIT witness perfection and completion from GOD .. He has sworn in Himself and nothing can touch or change that . :HeartThrob:
just as the days ofNoah..there's an ark....of the testimony in heaven...a rainbow about the throne[this is the appearance of the Glory of theLord]perpetual remembrance
God opens His body to recieve our returning spirits. God removes His lot[all men 's spirits redeemed by Christ's blood] before He burns this earth and heavens.the tares
are bound to this vincinty[satan and the fallen angels[seed] awaiting their consumation of fire] men's spirits[wheat]gathered into Heaven.[spiritsofjustifiedmenmadeperfect]
sin is a demon[tare] any man possessed by such will exhibit beastly behaviour and ignorance, but the demon's say..I know who you are Jesus,did you come
to torment us before the time? when this earth and heaven is consumed of fire..that is the LOF...and the tare and seed will be consumed.
just as a man burns a field over-run with weeds :2c:
Quote from: jabcat on March 05, 2018, 08:56:36 AM
2 Peter 3:3 First of all, I want you to know that in the last days men will laugh at the truth. They will follow their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, "He promised to come again. Where is He? Since our early fathers died, everything is the same from the beginning of the world." 5 But they want to forget that God spoke and the heavens were made long ago. The earth was made out of water and water was all around it. 6 Long ago the earth was covered with water and it was destroyed. 7 But the heaven we see now and the earth we live on now have been kept by His word. They will be kept until they are to be destroyed by fire. They will be kept until the day men stand before God and sinners will be destroyed.
Anyone+ interested in giving commentary, examining and explaining some of the "difficult" aspects of this passage in light of UR? Thanks :)
"7 But the heaven we see now and the earth we live on now have been kept by His word. They will be kept until they are to be destroyed by fire. They will be kept until the day men stand before God and sinners will be destroyed.".."destroyed/brought to ruin" but as we know, not 'for ever' :banana:
The verses seem, like some others do, to span the whole 2nd advent, from verse 12 -
as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. (which I believe is Armageddon, the tares gathered to, coinciding with His return, and I agree w/ Sheila is a lof) to verse13 -
But in keeping with God's promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. -- as we know the "new heavens and new earth" do not occur until Rev. 21:1
Revelation 21:1 -
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed awayI sometimes think verse 12 -
as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. somehow refers to both events ( :dontknow: ) the melting of elements at His return
"when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, know it is nigh" - which in the melting of elements is the destruction of human empires and world system of things, one earth and in the air - but also referring to that melting and changing of elements of Rev chapter 21, when "all" things are made new.. and John saw a new heavens and a new Earth.. whether the sense is a whole new version, or renewal (w/o seas separating) - either way, this one of Rev 21 includes "all".
But, His return when He sets up His millennial rule.. I believe is upon the present earth as is because of things prophesied by the prophets, about clean up and dead bodies and such.
I don't know if "the lion will eat straw like the ox, the bear will graze with the cow" (Is. 11:7) is fulfilled during the millennium or not until the "new heavens and new earth" at the vivification of all. [Judgment 'Day' of course being between the two.]
:2c: there are men continualy employed for the burial of the dead even now..we call them'morticians". we reckon our present bodies of death[deadjudged]asgood
as dead already because of sin in the flesh. Gog's crowd/hoards that encompass the camp[temporal spirits of men dwelling inflesh[the sin that so easily entangle's
us.d/t our weak,corruptible vessels..
the angels buried Moses's body,also...but fire will utterly purify/consume all corruption from the present heaven and earth. There was no going back to Egypt or Sodom.
nothing good comes from longing to return to Egypt..or looking back upon Sodom. those examples were given for our benefit..as well as a great gulf fixed between
Lazarus[resurrected] andtherich man[pharoah prince of this world]