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Discussions Relating to Universal Reconciliation => Discussions on Universal Salvation => Topic started by: redhotmagma on March 23, 2011, 02:55:33 PM

Title: 1 John 4:14
Post by: redhotmagma on March 23, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

"to be" is in italics meaning its been added.

And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son, The Savior of the world.

This way is more matter of fact, The Savior of the world is a title, and thats what Yahshua means Yah saves.

or another way since we can just add words (as the translators do)

the Father has sent the Son who is the Savior of the world

to be can be used to explain away the matter of factness that He IS the savior of the world, as in "He wanted to be but, but not everyone accepts Him, so" (ET thought process)
Title: Re: 1 John 4:14
Post by: lomarah on March 23, 2011, 06:31:23 PM
Interesting, more translator biases. I bet they don't even realize they are doing it.  :sigh:
Title: Re: 1 John 4:14
Post by: WhiteWings on March 23, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
To be honest "to be" isn't a bad translation imo.

If on believes things like "I I do all my desire", "my counsil shall stand", "not a word returns to my mouth invain" or similar then it's clear the verse is not about chance.

I think most denominations don't deny that.
They just try to add some context by linking that verse to other verses that in their opion limit the extend of that verse.
All=some, World=a few believers from all over the world, etc
:2c:
Title: Re: 1 John 4:14
Post by: redhotmagma on March 23, 2011, 07:14:22 PM
I don't believe its a bad translation either, I just found it interesting, and anytime I see italics now, I try and read the sentence without them, or by inserting other words in there to see how the force of the sentence changes.
Title: Re: 1 John 4:14
Post by: WhiteWings on March 23, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
The italics system of KJV is good. Ok it allows for bias but without the italics it would be very hard to read for many people.
More problematic is that there should be more italics in KJV.

If you want to go extremely literal: http://www.scripture4all.org/