everyone,
Here is what I believe these scriptures are teaching.
Verse 21-22 man...man... Adam, who through his sin brought death on the whole human race, was human. So was Christ, who by His resurrection brought life to the race. all....all...The two "alls" are alike only in the sense that they both apply to descendants. The second "all' applies only to believers ( Gal 3:26,29; Eph 3:6) and does not imply universalism.
Verse 23 in his own order... Christ was the first fruits of the resurrection harvest ( v 20). Because of His resurrection " those who are Christ's will be raised and enter the eternal heavenly state in 3 stages at Christ's coming.
1) Those who have come to saving faith from Pentecost to the Rapture will be joined by living saints at the Rapture to meet the Lord in the air and ascend to heaven( 1 Th 4:16-17)
2) Those who come to faith during the Tribulation, with the OT saints as well, will be raised up to reign with Him during the Millennium ( Rev 20:4 ; Da 12:2 ; Is 26:19-20)
3) Those who die during the millennial kingdom may be instantly transformed at death into their eternal bodies and spirits. the only people left to be raised will be the ungodly and that will occur at the end of the Millennium at the Great White Throne Judgment of God ( Rev 20:11-15 ; Jn 5:28-29, which will be followed by eternal hell ( Rev 21:8).
Verse 24 then comes the end... The third aspect of the resurrection involves the restoration of the earth to the rule of Christ, the rightful King. in the culmination of the world's history, after Christ has taken over the restored world for his Father and Reigned 1,000 yrs, all things will be returned to the way they were designed by God to be sinless glory of the new heavens and new earth ( Rev 21-22). Christ will permanently conquer every enemy of God and take back earth that He created and that is rightfully His. At The end of that 1000 yrs, Satan will be unleashed briefly to lead a final insurrection against God ( Rev 20:7-9). But with all who follow his hatred of God and Christ, he will be banished to hell with his fallen angels to suffer forever in the lake of fire (Rev 20:10-15)
Verse 25 all enemies under His feet... In the millennial kingdom, Christ's foes will be in subjection to Him.
Verse 26-27 last enemy....death.. Christ has broken the power of death ( Heb 2:14), at the cross. But Satan will not permanently divested of his weapon of death until the end of the Millennium. At that point, having fulfilled completely the prophecy of Psalm 8:6, Christ will then deliver the kingdom to His Father, and the eternal glory of Rev 21-22 will begin.
Verse 28 all in all.... Christ will reign in His former, full, and glorious place within the Trinity, subject to God in the way eternally designed for Him in full Trinitarian glory.
"Man cannot comprehend the existence of error, when to deeply immersed in it."
peacemaker
pm,
Glad you liked it.
Anytime, as you have much to learn!
peacemaker
pm,
I'm always learning from the Spirit of truth..are you?
The SPIRIT knows NO BOUNDARIES.
peacemaker
willieH:
FLAG on the POST! :thumbdown:
TOO MANY
UNBIBLICAL TERMS or QUOTATIONS in this POST...
100 yard penalty -- OUT of the GAME! :thumbdown:
Any ATHIEST can come up with this garbage:
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 04:05:23 AM
everyone,
Here is what I believe these scriptures are teaching.
Verse 21-22 man...man... Adam, who through his sin brought death on the whole human race, was human. So was Christ, who by His resurrection brought life to the race. all....all...The two "alls" are alike only in the sense that they both apply to descendants. The second "all' applies only to believers ( Gal 3:26,29; Eph 3:6) and does not imply universalism. :surrender:
Verse 23 in his own order... Christ was the first fruits of the resurrection harvest :surrender: ( v 20). Because of His resurrection " those who are Christ's will be raised and enter the eternal heavenly state in 3 stages at Christ's coming. :surrender:
1) Those who have come to saving faith from Pentecost to the Rapture :surrender: will be joined by living saints at the Rapture :surrender: to meet the Lord in the air and ascend to heaven :surrender: ( 1 Th 4:16-17)
2) Those who come to faith during the Tribulation, :surrender: with the OT saints as well, will be raised up to reign with Him during the Millennium :surrender: ( Rev 20:4 ; Da 12:2 ; Is 26:19-20)
3) Those who die during the millennial kingdom :surrender: may be instantly transformed at death into their eternal bodies and spirits. :surrender: the only people left to be raised will be the ungodly and that will occur at the end of the Millennium :surrender: at the Great White Throne Judgment :surrender: of God ( Rev 20:11-15 ; Jn 5:28-29, which will be followed by eternal hell ( Rev 21:8).
Verse 24 then comes the end... The third aspect of the resurrection :surrender: involves the restoration of the earth to the rule of Christ, the rightful King. in the culmination of the world's history, after Christ has taken over the restored world for his Father and Reigned 1,000 yrs, all things will be returned to the way they were designed by God to be sinless glory of the new heavens and new earth ( Rev 21-22). Christ will permanently conquer every enemy of God and take back earth that He created and that is rightfully His. At The end of that 1000 yrs, Satan will be unleashed briefly to lead a final insurrection :surrender: against God ( Rev 20:7-9). But with all who follow his hatred of God and Christ, he will be banished to hell :surrender: with his fallen angels :surrender: to suffer forever in the lake of fire (Rev 20:10-15)
Verse 25 all enemies under His feet... In the millennial kingdom :surrender: Christ's foes will be in subjection to Him.
Verse 26-27 last enemy....death.. Christ has broken the power of death ( Heb 2:14), at the cross. But Satan will not permanently divested of his weapon of death until the end of the Millennium :surrender: At that point, having fulfilled completely the prophecy of Psalm 8:6, Christ will then deliver the kingdom to His Father, and the eternal glory of Rev 21-22 will begin.
Verse 28 all in all.... Christ will reign in His former, full, and glorious place within the Trinity :surrender: subject to God in the way eternally designed for Him in full Trinitarian :surrender: glory.
You're OUT!
Well? Are you going to ADMIT that you are COG37, ...lee100? :dontknow:
willie,
Glad you like it.
Willie, he knows in whose camp it places him if he answers your question so I'm sure you won't get one, but good point.
He's a pro at stringing people along. I get the feeling I am his puppet on a string. I think he will keep going until the strings are cut. I don't think coglee has the smarts to do this, I think there is definitely a more powerful spirit at play here, coglee is just a pawn. I feel like a pawn too when I participate. Sad that some people can be so 'dark'.
cp
That's why I deleted my post. There is a definite spirit in play, and it is NOT of our Lord.
I'm trusting the mods, that they know what they are doing here. I think we are playing with fire and I don't mean literal fire or the 'our God is a consuming fire' kind of fire.
cp
cp,
No offense, you have no discernment. You translate scripture out of your flesh. You make condescending remarks with every post. You never add too the discussion sound biblical views. This thread is probably way over your head to comprehend. Participate? all you do is lurk and make condescending remarks. That's how you participate. Do yourself a favor..examine yourself (2 Cor 13:5) to see if Christ be in you and if you fail the test..get on your knees and believe on Jesus with your heart and not your mind(Head knowledge) If you pass the test..dive head first into his word and ask the Holy Spirit to be your commentator instead of man.
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
cp,
No offense, you have no discernment. You translate scripture out of your flesh. You make condescending remarks with every post. You never add too the discussion sound biblical views. This thread is probably way over your head to comprehend. Participate? all you do is lurk and make condescending remarks. That's how you participate. Do yourself a favor..examine yourself (2 Cor 13:5) to see if Christ be in you and if you fail the test..get on your knees and believe on Jesus with your heart and not your mind(Head knowledge) If you pass the test..dive head first into his word and ask the Holy Spirit to be your commentator instead of man.
coglee, I don't worry about Christ being in me. I leave that truth and reality to God Himself. Don't bother trying to instruct me on how to 'do myself a favor'. I'm sorry coglee but your words and instructions sound too much to me like a snake trying to get me to eat fruit. I'm sure you think you mean well and I know you will be released from any dark power that holds you but until then, I choose not to really seriously heed anything you have to say.
I got quite a rise out of you this time. I wonder why? Hmmmmmmmmm.
cp
cp,
don't worry if Christ be in you? All I forgot, if you die in your sins..you will be in hell just for an age, huh?How long is an age to the UR? 1000 yrs..2000 yrs ? That is a long time to be weeping and gnashing your teeth in torment. Who knows. Anyway,I'm not telling you to worry, just examine yourself like Paul told the Corinthian Church.(2 Cor 13:5) They too walked around saying, doing, fleshly things. They lived by their flesh. We all get in the flesh at times..some more than others..examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.
Tell me again; WHO is the accuser of the brethren?
bs,
to be part of the brethren, you must pass the test. you examine if you are in the faith ( 2 Cor 13:5) unless you fail the test.
Did you pass?
The Context=
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/index.php?topic=1463.0
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
cp,
don't worry if Christ be in you? All I forgot, if you die in your sins..you will be in hell just for an age, huh?How long is an age to the UR? 1000 yrs..2000 yrs ? That is a long time to be weeping and gnashing your teeth in torment. Who knows. Anyway,I'm not telling you to worry, just examine yourself like Paul told the Corinthian Church.(2 Cor 13:5) They too walked around saying, doing, fleshly things. They lived by their flesh. We all get in the flesh at times..some more than others..examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.
I don't worry if Christ be in me, coglee. My Master told someone to tell me to not worry about anything, so I don't. I don't worry or ask silly questions like how long is an age.
I do examine myself and usually find myself wanting as I see myself in Adam yet I do find myself totally loved and accepted as I view myself in Christ for as you know (but don't accept) as in Adam all die, in Christ all are made alive. Christ lights every man (person) who comes into the world.
Jesus is the true Light, which lights every man that cometh into the world jn1.9
cp
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
cp,
No offense, you have no discernment. You translate scripture out of your flesh. You make condescending remarks with every post. You never add too the discussion sound biblical views. This thread is probably way over your head to comprehend. Participate? all you do is lurk and make condescending remarks. That's how you participate. Do yourself a favor..examine yourself (2 Cor 13:5) to see if Christ be in you and if you fail the test..get on your knees and believe on Jesus with your heart and not your mind(Head knowledge) If you pass the test..dive head first into his word and ask the Holy Spirit to be your commentator instead of man.
coglee, you have asked me to get on my knees and believe on Jesus with my heart and not my mind.........
Is this where your belief that most humans that God created will be in eternal torments comes from, your heart?
If you pass this test....dive head first into His word ask the Holy Spirit to be your commentator instead of man.
cp
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
bs,
to be part of the brethren, you must pass the test. you examine if you are in the faith ( 2 Cor 13:5) unless you fail the test.
2C 13:9 For we are rejoicing whenever we' may be weak, yet you' may be powerful. Now this are we wishing also: your adjustment.
Quote from: claypot on August 25, 2009, 04:43:54 PM
I'm trusting the mods, that they know what they are doing here. I think we are playing with fire and I don't mean literal fire or the 'our God is a consuming fire' kind of fire.
Unless I misunderstood your post I don't feel like playing with fire.
Obviously wrong things are IMO less dangerous than almost correct things.
As Paul Hazelwood mentioned a few days ago: We never been this much united.
I doubt anyone was temped by his views.
Ok, maybe WillieH as a bit tempted. :pointlaugh:
Whoops....
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 05:36:04 PM
1000 yrs..2000 yrs ? That is a long time to be weeping and gnashing your teeth in torment.
I have no idea how long it lasts. Never found anything but a very vague hint.
Many Jewish scholars seems to hold to a period of 5 months or 11 month. Or 12 month for the extremely wicked.
Even 5 hours or 5 minutes will be like eternity in the ET type of "hell".
But we not only disagree on the length but also the type. I don't believe in real flames etc.
That's pretty clear to me. What it exactly is like I have no clue about.
Oops, looks like Lee100 got an adjustment.
I wonder what name will be chosen for round 3. :happy3:
Quote from: claypot on August 25, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
I don't worry if Christ be in me, coglee.
Cut that cord! :laughing7:
Cool down. I'll buy you a few beers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
Oops, looks like Lee100 got an adjustment.
I wonder what name will be chosen for round 3. :happy3:
Fill us in Paul. What happened???
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
Oops, looks like Lee100 got an adjustment.
I wonder what name will be chosen for round 3. :happy3:
My bet is: Nachash
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 25, 2009, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
Oops, looks like Lee100 got an adjustment.
I wonder what name will be chosen for round 3. :happy3:
Fill us in Paul. What happened???
I'm not involved in that process, but anytime someone is banned, "restricted" shows up by their name.
Quote from: WhiteWings on August 25, 2009, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: claypot on August 25, 2009, 05:57:36 PM
I don't worry if Christ be in me, coglee.
Cut that cord! :laughing7:
Cool down. I'll buy you a few beers :thumbsup:
I'm gonna hold you to that WW. I bet they have some good taverns in the great by and by. I hear that Jesus Himself loves a good party and I say that with all due respect. Look at all the party situations in Scripture.
cp
Sorry People ,,,,Cutting and Pasting Again
An Analytical Study of Words by Louis Abbott
The English word "Hell" suffered the same unslaught, but not from pagan Greeks, but from pagan Christians! According to Arcade Dictionary of Word Origins by John Ayto, the etymology of the word "hell" is as follows:
hell (OE) Etymologically, "hell" is a 'hidden place.' It goes back ultimately to Indo-European 'kel' (cover, hide), which has contributed an extraordinary number of words to English, including 'apocalypse,'' cell,' 'cellar,' 'conceal,' 'helmet,' 'hull,' 'pod,' 'occult,' and possibly 'colour' and 'holster.' Its Germanic descendant was 'khel-,' 'khal-,' whose derivatives included 'khallo' and 'khaljo.' The first became modern English 'hall,' the second modern English 'hell-'-so both hall and hell were originally 'concealed or covered places,' although very different ways: the 'hall' with a roof, 'hell' with at least six feet of earth. Related Germanic forms include German 'Holle' (O with an umlaut), Dutch 'hel,' and Swedish 'helvete' (in which 'vete' means punishment').
Isn't it rather interesting that the place where people met under a roof and therefore "covered," (hall) and the place where people are "six feet under" and therefore "unseen," come from the same word? A church and a grave yard therefore have much in common. This book will not go into other theological words such as the word "church," but I assure you, there are many embarrassing surprises hidden in theological word origins.
This information I am bringing forth is not hidden away in some ancient monastery. It can be found in almost any book on word origins, regular dictionaries, and encyclopedias. But when Christians have been taught to stick their heads into a "hole" or "hall" called our "church building" and not to look at anything which does not conform to "their" teachings, it leaves most Christians in "gross darkness"-in other words in a "hell" of their own.
Quote from: lee100 on August 25, 2009, 04:05:23 AM
everyone,
Here is what I believe these scriptures are teaching.
Dear lee100,
There are three groups to vivification:
1 Corinthians 15:22-26 CLV (22) For even as, in Adam, all are dying,
thus also,
in Christ, shall all be vivified." (23) Yet each in his own class:
the Firstfruit, Christ;
thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;"
(24)
thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the
kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all
sovereignty and all authority and power." (25) For He must be reigning until
He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. (26)
The last enemy is being abolished: death.
The last group to come into vivification is the consummation group who become vivified when death is abolished in verse 26 which is after Revelation has run its course.
God definately will be All in all, not All in some.
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on August 25, 2009, 06:51:50 PM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on August 25, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
Oops, looks like Lee100 got an adjustment.
I wonder what name will be chosen for round 3. :happy3:
Fill us in Paul. What happened???
I'm not involved in that process, but anytime someone is banned, "restricted" shows up by their name.
In that case, I'm betting it's truchristian 10. Just registered today, already restricted status...
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