Of course the eternal torment message, would interpret this differently, Jesus said ”...for as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Mt.24:27
:Chinscratch: This is the verse which makes us assume Jesus will arrive from the Eastern sky/heavens. Now I see the verse says lightning not the sun.. which weakens my point.. but what the hey.. As the sun rises and dawns, until (from our perspective on the canvas of life) it lightens the whole sky and world.. lightens all within its rays.. so shall His return and kingdom be.
Which actually the word for “lightening” can also be brightness, and some versions say it flashes forth, but more closely should probably read comes forth..
? does lightning always come from the east? He may have been referring to the rays of the sun shining as far as the west, afterall..?
Which of course as an example or simile of UR, it can’t go too far, as the other half of the world is actually in darkness.. :laughing7:
:dsunny: I still think it works though! His coming like the rays of sunlight, lightening all the world.. but the other ‘half’ for a duration of time will still be in the grave and not yet saved.. [which also ? strongly implies UR? I mean in all logic, why raise them from the grave or Greek hades, if they too will not be in that group Jesus referred to when He said He will draw all to Himself? Jn.12:32
...It was a pretty sunrise here this morning :gsmile:
Quote from: marie glen on November 19, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
Which of course as an example or simile of UR, it can't go too far, as the other half of the world is actually in darkness.. :laughing7:
Got my tinfoil hat for a minute...
If you mean a globe earth, seems an absurd idea that half of the world is standing upside down right now. And somehow we are spinning at very high speeds, yet the sun looks like it moves instead of the earth. No, I am not fully convinced about a flat earth, but since finding out NASA lies about how stars look, what else are they lying about?
Oops! Probably said too much :icon_jokercolor: :punish:
Flat earth seems to make more since.like you not completely sold,but to much to ignore👍
Flat Earth so does not make sense there's so much evidence against it. It's not even Biblical.
Saying that 'lightning' means the sun does make some sense however because that's part of the Hebrew mindset and scientifically true whereas lightning can go in pretty much any direction except, I believe, up. I'm not actually sure why Biblical translators would render it that way if they does believe that's what Jesus said.
Oh, and the Sun appears to move from East to West because the Earth is round, the whole premise of Glenda's argument actually depends on this.
Oh and ML, NASA did not invent the concept of a round Earth, it's rather older than they are.
Guys guys guys guys (and girls)
People are passing through looking for the truth.
Please don't turn TM into a conspiracy website.
I've been down those rabbit holes and they are bottomless.
Edit: this isn't in reference to Glenda's original post. I'm guessing from east to west implies totality and it means all will see the light. Which I agree supports UR
Quote from: GodIsLove on November 20, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
Guys guys guys guys (and girls)
People are passing through looking for the truth.
Please don't turn TM into a conspiracy website.
I've been down those rabbit holes and they are bottomless.
Quote from: MusicLover123 on November 20, 2018, 12:52:55 AM
Oops! Probably said too much :icon_jokercolor: :punish:
Left a comment on that members topic, to not divert this one.
Quote from: marie glen on November 19, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
Of course the eternal torment message, would interpret this differently, Jesus said "...for as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." Mt.24:27
:Chinscratch: This is the verse which makes us assume Jesus will arrive from the Eastern sky/heavens. Now I see the verse says lightning not the sun.. which weakens my point.. but what the hey.. As the sun rises and dawns, until (from our perspective on the canvas of life) it lightens the whole sky and world.. lightens all within its rays.. so shall His return and kingdom be.
Which actually the word for "lightening" can also be brightness, and some versions say it flashes forth, but more closely should probably read comes forth..
? does lightning always come from the east? He may have been referring to the rays of the sun shining as far as the west, afterall..?
Which of course as an example or simile of UR, it can't go too far, as the other half of the world is actually in darkness.. :laughing7:
:dsunny: I still think it works though! His coming like the rays of sunlight, lightening all the world.. but the other 'half' for a duration of time will still be in the grave and not yet saved.. [which also ? strongly implies UR? I mean in all logic, why raise them from the grave or Greek hades, if they too will not be in that group Jesus referred to when He said He will draw all to Himself? Jn.12:32
...It was a pretty sunrise here this morning :gsmile:
:bottlebump:
Quote from: GodIsLove on November 20, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
Guys guys guys guys (and girls)
People are passing through looking for the truth.
Please don't turn TM into a conspiracy website.
I've been down those rabbit holes and they are bottomless.
Edit: this isn't in reference to Glenda's original post. I'm guessing from east to west implies totality and it means all will see the light. Which I agree supports UR
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