The fall of Satan

[ed]

NOT

Here is a good article on one of the main scriptures that supposedly supports the fall of Satan.

The King of Tyre
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/Kingoftyre.html

:Peace2:

[ed]

Just noticed the similarities in these two articles.

The link in my first post is very similar to this article.

http://www.concordant.org/expohtml/TheSpiritWorld/TheKingOfTyre.html


Yup, same article.

The Concordant Publishing Concern is in their links.

[sheila]

...interesting.........you would have no poWer over me had it not been given from

above..John 19;11.......the temptation in the wilderness..where satan said'do one

act of bowing down to me and I will give you all the kingdoms of the earth"

  thus Jesus said 'I saw satan fall as lightening from heaven..was in effect that..the

adversary given dominion[through law] would lose his position due to corruption when

he condemned an innocent man

     king of Babylon.....power authority dominion to rule...given the mind of a beast...

  til acknowledging the authority belongs to God...babylon responsible for all the blood

spilt on the earth...riding that beast.[fear not those who can kill the body then do nothing]

   the prince of this world seeks out hidden treasure to amass wealth dominion on the

earth.......ten kings=fullness of the authority dominion of satan's corrupt rule...they

received their power from the dragon to rule for one hour.  where is he that took the

revenue? those people of obscure speech[that judge law unlawfully[obscure]

   Paul said 'to him the revenue..the revenue...honour  etc....nothing to fear if

  you yeild to those in authority[governments] they can kill the body and do nothing else

   God put in his heart to kill the harlot

  public servants of God with authority to rule.........though ten kings receive power for

   one hour from the dragon.....though the beast out of the sea blaspheme God,

slander His name..though given power to make war and conquer the saints..though

given authority over every people and language.

       what was 'hidden' in the Torah....'satan..his  evil spirits as adverasary' Jesus made

  an open show of...calling them out of people..addressing them openly..and triumphed

over them.....

....and so..at this time...people born into this earth..are not only born into a body

suceptible to error[sin..evil infuluence] they areruled over of corrupt governments....

  and corrupt religions/churches..of which 'certain men will come in..not treat the flock

tenderly..wolves....corrupt the gospel"   what an utter web of delusion man is born

into.....but the 'veil' will be removed completely................His judgements will be

declared..what people had not heard[truth] they will hear..what people had not seen

due to being blinded of the adversary..they shall see...their eyes shall look narrowly

upon=scrutinize the appearance of.......'is this?' what is responsible for all the evil

suffering and death all mankind has expierenced in this exercize of evil?

   there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed....He is the light...and if His openly

manifesting  the presence of demons and evil spirits at work in the lives of men

was somehow missed due to men being blinded...the time is coming when all blind

eyes shall be opened...He come to 'break up the works of the devil" He shined His light

on their darkness...though He had His hour..when the prince of this world come..

night is coming when no-one can work..........but from whence come the tares,Lord?

an enemy has sown them in the night.[unseen adversary]

     The Lord is coming...there is nothing that will not be revealed.......

[rosered]

good stuff ED and Shelia !!  john 16"


I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away.

2  They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.   

3 And they will do these things  because they have not known the Father, nor me.


4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you.


"I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.

5 But now I am going to him who sent me, and none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?'


6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.

7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you.

But if  go,I will send him to you.


8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:

9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;

10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;




11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world sis judged.


I find these 3 things     above Jesus speaks about    as   amazing as can be   !!!!! , sin is error and its because they do not believe in Jesus Christ !!!
   causing   the unrighteousness because  Jesus said '''righteousness''    would be the reason  why these  3 things woul happen to the believer    because He goes to the Father !!!  and concerning judgment  to judge the prince of this world !!

the Light come and  we believe in the Light of Jesus Christ  the Light of the Body    Matt 6 ;   22"The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23"But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!   , the false light of darkness would be a stumbling block to the body !
  Jesus speaks of keeping the eye clear  that it be full of light   that is keeping our eye on HIM !  and what He has done , His example to the disciples /students under His teaching applies today  as well as to those  chosen  by Him  and still choosing   out of the world [work of the Holy Spirit ] ..


12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.

13 When tthe Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.


14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.


15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Your Sorrow Will Turn into Joy

16 a"A little while, and you will see me no longer; and again a little while, and you will see me."


17 So some of his disciples said to one another, "What is this that he says to us, 'A little while, and you will not see me, and again a little while, and you will see me'; and, e'because I am going to the Father'?"


18 So they were saying, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? fWe do not know what he is talking about." 19 gJesus knew that they wanted to ask him, so he said to them, "Is this what you are asking yourselves, what I meant by saying, 'A little while and you will not see me, and again a little while and you will see me'?



20 Truly, truly, I say to you, hyou will weep and lament, but ithe world will rejoice. You will be sorrowful, but jyour sorrow will turn into joy. 21 kWhen a woman is giving birth, she has sorrow because her hour has come, but when she has delivered the baby, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world.


22 So also you have sorrow now, but I will see you again, and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy from you. 23 In that day you will ask nothing of me.


Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name,he will give it to you.

24 Until now you have asked nothing in my name. sAsk, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.
I Have Overcome the World


25 "I have said these things to you in figures of speech. The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father.

26 In that day you will ask in my name, and I do not say to you that I will ask the Father on your behalf;

27 vfor the Father himself loves you, because wyou have loved me and xhave believed that I came from God.1 28 yI came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father."


29 His disciples said, "Ah, now you are speaking plainly and not ausing figurative speech!

30 Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you; this is why we believe that cyou came from God." 31 Jesus answered them, "Do you now believe?


32 Behold, the hour is coming, indeed it has come, when you will be scattered,

each to his own home, and will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me.

33 I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace.

In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world."

we have left   the systems  of this world    religion and government   and  stayed waiting on the Lord in our own homes [ aka bodies ]  by trusting in Him   we have lost confidence   in this world leaders and  religious leaders
  But the Lord   Jesus Christ is the only Authority   we can trust in to fulfill   

[FreeAtLast]

NOT

Here is a good article on one of the main scriptures that supposedly supports the fall of Satan.

The King of Tyre
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/Kingoftyre.html

:Peace2:

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:   :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

great article and it is Truth !!!

Adversaries was always mankind(whether 1 or a grp of men or a nation or empire)or even the High priest who was given the Kingdoms of earth(earth does not mean the entire globe--it is referring to the jewish land and its surroundings)and even Yah himself was an adversary to his people for their Sin in old testament.Yah was Satan

The satan that fell was the High priest and his kingdom--Yahshua became our High priest and his Kingdom reigns --matter of fact it was taking place before it actually came to fulfillment when the disciples were doing miracles and more and more became true believers in Yahshua's earthly life.

there simply is no Supreme power of a fallen archangel and a third of the host of heaven that followed him--Angels were made without the ability to Sin as mankind.
the scriptures you read that the angels kept not their first estate were referring to Ministers in the old testament that tried to over throw moses and they were swallowed up when the ground opened up on them---Angel can also refer to man(Ministers).

But we do have Evil Spirits(they come directly from Yah himself)Remember King Saul how that Yah from his own hand sent unto him a evil spirit  ???   this was not a fallen angel or angels--they are sent for man's disobedience---only thing that could calm down King Saul was David playing his musical instrument  :dsunny:

We have been engrained with such far fetched fanasty stories that are not biblical--were in a mess in this world today    IMO   :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

this topic takes much studying ---but my friends dig deep !!! its worth finding

[micah7:9]

Satan is a carnal-minded spirit. That may sound like a contradiction of terms, but I assure you that it is not. Carnal means fleshly, material, temporal. Satan deals with the flesh, material things, and temporal gratification. Satan is a spirit who thinks like a carnal-minded man. Although spirit by nature, Satan eats "dust."

"But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN!"

[FreeAtLast]

Satan is a carnal-minded spirit. That may sound like a contradiction of terms, but I assure you that it is not. Carnal means fleshly, material, temporal. Satan deals with the flesh, material things, and temporal gratification. Satan is a spirit who thinks like a carnal-minded man. Although spirit by nature, Satan eats "dust."

"But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN!"

in that verse Peter is the Satan(adversary)against the Most High's ways

Peter thought like many jews did--that Messiah would come and deliver them from earthly bondage and set up his kingdom on earth

So when Peter tries to rebuke Yahshua because he said he was gonna be put to death---that opposed peter's ideas --and peter became satan unto his Master

[eaglesway]

Satan is a carnal-minded spirit. That may sound like a contradiction of terms, but I assure you that it is not. Carnal means fleshly, material, temporal. Satan deals with the flesh, material things, and temporal gratification. Satan is a spirit who thinks like a carnal-minded man. Although spirit by nature, Satan eats "dust."

"But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN!"

in that verse Peter is the Satan(adversary)against the Most High's ways

Peter thought like many jews did--that Messiah would come and deliver them from earthly bondage and set up his kingdom on earth

So when Peter tries to rebuke Yahshua because he said he was gonna be put to death---that opposed peter's ideas --and peter became satan unto his Master

Who was the Satan that Jesus spoke to after his 40 day fast when He said, "Get behind me Satan, for it is written, , 'You shall worship the Lord your God and Him alone you shall serve'".

[micah7:9]

I will say this of a or the "who" should a believer only see to understand that the adversary is a person, I can say nothing. The word 'satan" imo is not a proper noun, the carnal mind has created a "lucifer" a supposed "angel" that once was once beautiful. satan=adversary.

2Co 10:3  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh
2Co 10:4  (for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strongholds),
2Co 10:5  casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6  and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be made full.

Eph 6:11  Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12  For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

[sheila]

as far as I can tell..satan and the evil spirits[demons] are the negative contrast to

  God's good/holy spirit.  designed to 'tempt draw out into sin then accuse"

    just as God can 'cause us to desire to do His good pleasure" so,too,this wicked

  contrast spirit. Just as the prophets and men of God can have the word of God come to

them while in the spirit,so,too,magicians,enchanters,witches etc can have the words of the

evil spirits come unto them.

  it is not that evil spirits are man's carnal thoughts/wicked desires

,covetnous/hate.lusts...but that the wicked works of the devil is the root cause of

such things in man's unregenerated mind and heart.  Our bodies[corruptible] is like a

device that runs on both ac and dc current[good/evil]  but thing is...the wicked contrast

  corrupts and destroys our bodies.

[micah7:9]

 :dsunny: very well said.

[FreeAtLast]

Satan is a carnal-minded spirit. That may sound like a contradiction of terms, but I assure you that it is not. Carnal means fleshly, material, temporal. Satan deals with the flesh, material things, and temporal gratification. Satan is a spirit who thinks like a carnal-minded man. Although spirit by nature, Satan eats "dust."

"But He turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN!"

in that verse Peter is the Satan(adversary)against the Most High's ways

Peter thought like many jews did--that Messiah would come and deliver them from earthly bondage and set up his kingdom on earth

So when Peter tries to rebuke Yahshua because he said he was gonna be put to death---that opposed peter's ideas --and peter became satan unto his Master

Who was the Satan that Jesus spoke to after his 40 day fast when He said, "Get behind me Satan, for it is written, , 'You shall worship the Lord your God and Him alone you shall serve'".

an adversary either from the High priest or even maybe the High priest himself--after all it was the High priest who was given the kingdoms at that time--he was like a god unto the jew---and he was ordained by Yah and given what he had and the authority that he had---that's really why he hated Yahshua such--because he knew that if Yahshua was the king of the Jews that he would lose everything to him--so why not get him to bow down to him and Sin--then it would be all over to him  :dsunny:

[rosered]

as far as I can tell..satan and the evil spirits[demons] are the negative contrast to

  God's good/holy spirit.  designed to 'tempt draw out into sin then accuse"

    just as God can 'cause us to desire to do His good pleasure" so,too,this wicked

  contrast spirit. Just as the prophets and men of God can have the word of God come to

them while in the spirit,so,too,magicians,enchanters,witches etc can have the words of the

evil spirits come unto them.

  it is not that evil spirits are man's carnal thoughts/wicked desires

,covetnous/hate.lusts...but that the wicked works of the devil is the root cause of

such things in man's unregenerated mind and heart.  Our bodies[corruptible] is like a

device that runs on both ac and dc current[good/evil]  but thing is...the wicked contrast

  corrupts and destroys our bodies.

:thumbsup:       Yes God shortened the days  by   sending Jesus Christ !!

  and in Adam   930 years of flesh   to  Noah 500 years  to Moses 120 years to David  70 years  80 by grace even to our day !!

flesh shorten days earth and in 70 ad  we saw the fall of  a nation /Israel     Matthew 24 
 
...21"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22"Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.

Romans  9
Paul's Anguish Over Israel
 
Darby Bible Translation
for he is bringing the matter to an end, and cutting it short in righteousness; because a cutting short of the matter will the Lord accomplish upon the earth.