Spirit crushers

[rosered]

  There is an on going   revealing of Jesus Christ    whom  SHOWS US THE FATHER .

There is a    saying  going around that says , If you are a Christian and not ashamed of it  , say amen .

But to me   we  can and do deny  Him in our works  not words ...

  Faith is living works  . not dead works

  Jesus gave us a  big clue when He said in Matt 15 Tradition and Vain Worship is the dead works ........

...7"You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

9'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"

Dead works are  the  Spirit WORD of Life  crushers     ,     That seeks to kill    the WORD OF LIFE ...

James 3 ...14But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth.

15This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. 16For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing....



  John 8 ...39They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you are Abraham's children, do the deeds/works  of Abraham


. 40"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God;


this Abraham did not do.Abraham  heard and believed GOD .....Yet, when God called, Abraham believed God and by faith followed God's instructions.
FAITH COMES BY HEARING   what the SPIRIT IS SAYING , born of God  and   careful how you hear .


41"You are doing the deeds/ dead works  of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God."


...43"Why do you not understand what I am saying?


It is because you cannot hear My word. [HIS WORD IS LIFE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT WITNESS]


44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.


He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.[ DEAD WORDS ,DEAD WORKS, AND DEAD TO GOD ]

Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature,

for he is a liar and the father of lies.

45"But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.

SEEK TO KILL THE WORD OF LIFE   by a spirit  of  death  in the heart of mankind   , the heart has its own desires   and ambitions   they are worldly  and earth bound    and dead works by the stony  and hard   hearted   works of the devil ... 

  Clean hearts makes for clean  works   ,   the pure in Heart   shall see God   
Love  has always been the only    true motive   from the heart that can  endure all things and still glorify God .. 
  Jesus Christ openly proved this   truth  on His cross  by forgiveness    so other could enter heaven   by his   pure   clean  desire of the heart    of God 

   The Law  of sin and death is all about revenge  ,   apparently   the devil is very    relentless   and vengeful   ,  seeking to harm someone in return for a perceived injury.    So   as YOU   judge so shall YOU be judged ... 

Any thoughts ?

[Ross]

Faith is living works  . not dead works

  Jesus gave us a  big clue when He said in Matt 15 Tradition and Vain Worship is the dead works ........

…7"You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:

8'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

9'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"

FAITH COMES BY HEARING   what the SPIRIT IS SAYING , born of God  and   careful how you hear .
  Clean hearts makes for clean  works   ,   the pure in Heart   shall see God   
Love  has always been the only    true motive   from the heart that can  endure all things and still glorify God .. 
  Jesus Christ openly proved this   truth  on His cross  by forgiveness    so other could enter heaven   by his   pure   clean  desire of the heart    of God 

The doctrines of men are prolific. All coming down to personal efforts. Wipes out the magnitude of the grace; or at least attempts to since NOTHING can actually keep us from the love of God in Christ.

These types of doctrines, which are incorrect spiritually, are listed in 1 Tim 1;9,10 and ends with the statement, : EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS CONTRARY TO HEALTHY TEACHING."

Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God.

Titus 1;15 " ALL things are pure to the pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving NOTHING is pure, both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny Him by their deeds, being abominable and worthless for any good work."

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: :iagree:

[jugghead]

Love  has always been the only    true motive   from the heart that can  endure all things and still glorify God .. 

"LOVE THIS" Rose  :HeartThrob:

It is the only thing that can reconcile the judgment of God ..... that judgment being the death of the first born in us so that He can raise us up again ..... which He accomplished at the cross and is accomplishing in us today

[sheila]

 :thumbsup:  in the parable of the workers in the vineyard He shows us this same thing.....works etc...some had more works than other's

..........the 'wages of sin' are death..but the 'wages of belief in Jesus Christ' is peace and life eternal.

   yet all receive the same wage.....in order that those who had much did not have too much and those that had little did not have

too little=EQUALIZING....the held all things in common=equality among brothers...Now we know why Ananias and Sapphira

lying against the Holy spirit..as not reckoning this principle was so quickly dealt with.


   when you love your brother as yourself..you do not want to rule over him...you have no desire to exalt yourself over him

or to see him as less than you are[as you measure,so shall ye be measured] you are a fool if you think you are something to God and

other men are not!      If you have something good..you want them to have good too....It is enough to LOVE YOUR FELLOW MAN as

yourself!!!!!!!!as your equal..as a partaker of the Grace of God and the Salvation of God unto all men. You share your food with him,

if you have suffered for not doing right,you will share that expireince with him..that he not expierence the same hard lesson

you learned. The scriptures are full of such things to help us who follow learn from those expiriences recorded there.

  Are we willing to suffer for the benefit of others?..when one member of the body suffers..the whole body suffers


   Men like to strain at a gnat and swallow a camel...how so? by nit-picking little faults of men..such as the minutia of matters of the law

and the consequential plagues of sin...thinking they are 'rich' and above their brothers when all recieve and live by the grace of God

and have salvation by grace..it is possible for such rich men with the great stores in heaven to go through the eye of needle

when relived of these..on their knees..as a supplicant of grace[for you can not enter the Holy city on the Sabbath carrying your

riches]for we all are 'poor' is spirit[righteousness] that it be a gift of Grace.The only one that was the true heir of all..made himself poor

to share equally with us.and are we to enter into the Holy city with riches heaped upon our back?..nope! Pour it out on all

before you enter into that Holy city..just as He did.

    Lord,Lord..did we not do thus and thus?  Love has it's own motivation and reward...seeing all men saved and well as your equals

  through Grace and the free gift...and the granting of this desire of your heart is fulfilled.


  Psalms 45;7  Thou lovest righteousness,and hatest wickedness..therefore God,THY GOD hath anointed thee

with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

  ENTER INTO THE JOY..a Kingdom prepared..your hearts desire..that all men be saved and reconciled in the family of God.

....AND FOR THE JOY THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM..HE ENDURED THE TORTURE STAKE

   

[jugghead]

:thumbsup:  in the parable of the workers in the vineyard He shows us this same thing.....works etc...some had more works than other's

..........the 'wages of sin' are death..but the 'wages of belief in Jesus Christ' is peace and life eternal.

   yet all receive the same wage.....in order that those who had much did not have too much and those that had little did not have

too little=EQUALIZING....the held all things in common=equality among brothers...Now we know why Ananias and Sapphira

lying against the Holy spirit..as not reckoning this principle was so quickly dealt with.


   when you love your brother as yourself..you do not want to rule over him...you have no desire to exalt yourself over him

or to see him as less than you are[as you measure,so shall ye be measured] you are a fool if you think you are something to God and

other men are not!      If you have something good..you want them to have good too....It is enough to LOVE YOUR FELLOW MAN as

yourself!!!!!!!!as your equal..as a partaker of the Grace of God and the Salvation of God unto all men. You share your food with him,

if you have suffered for not doing right,you will share that expireince with him..that he not expierence the same hard lesson

you learned. The scriptures are full of such things to help us who follow learn from those expiriences recorded there.

  Are we willing to suffer for the benefit of others?..when one member of the body suffers..the whole body suffers


   Men like to strain at a gnat and swallow a camel...how so? by nit-picking little faults of men..such as the minutia of matters of the law

and the consequential plagues of sin...thinking they are 'rich' and above their brothers when all recieve and live by the grace of God

and have salvation by grace..it is possible for such rich men with the great stores in heaven to go through the eye of needle

when relived of these..on their knees..as a supplicant of grace[for you can not enter the Holy city on the Sabbath carrying your

riches]for we all are 'poor' is spirit[righteousness] that it be a gift of Grace.The only one that was the true heir of all..made himself poor

to share equally with us.and are we to enter into the Holy city with riches heaped upon our back?..nope! Pour it out on all

before you enter into that Holy city..just as He did.

    Lord,Lord..did we not do thus and thus?  Love has it's own motivation and reward...seeing all men saved and well as your equals

  through Grace and the free gift...and the granting of this desire of your heart is fulfilled.


  Psalms 45;7  Thou lovest righteousness,and hatest wickedness..therefore God,THY GOD hath anointed thee

with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

  ENTER INTO THE JOY..a Kingdom prepared..your hearts desire..that all men be saved and reconciled in the family of God.

....AND FOR THE JOY THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM..HE ENDURED THE TORTURE STAKE

Very well said ...... Amen   :dsunny:

The sun (Son) shines on everyone

[rosered]

   :dsunny:

  :HeartThrob:

Luke 9  The Cost of Following Jesus  , the living  are following JESUS , Where I am you may be also !!


...59And He said to another, "Follow Me." But he said, "Lord, permit me first to go and bury my father.


" 60But He said to him, "Allow the dead to bury their own dead;

but as for you, go and proclaim everywhere the kingdom of God.


" 61Another also said, "I will follow You, Lord; but first permit me to say good-bye to those at home."...

Forsaking all     for the    LIFE IN CHRIST      means they have  to stay behind , but will catch up    in the DAY OF THE LORD   when there is nothing to   keep them  there any longer ..

  Zeph 1 The Day of the Lord
...13"Moreover, their wealth will become plunder And their houses desolate;


Yes, they will build houses but not inhabit them, And plant vineyards but not drink their wine."


14Near is the great day of the LORD, Near and coming very quickly; Listen, the day of the LORD!


In it the warrior cries out bitterly.

15A day of wrath is that day, A day of trouble and distress, A day of destruction and desolation,

A day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness,...

    Thier ir cry out to God is for salvation  as you once were  held captive too also ..


  :HeartThrob:

[sheila]

those of us that remain..until His coming..do not precede those who died in Christ...as the Lord of the dead as well as the living....

all men who ever lived and have died..are in Christ.  what if when we go into the Holy city we find that the party started without us?

what if really were true that the harlots and tax-collectors entered into it before us? What if we are like the elder brother that come

home to find the party going on?already taking place without us?..and we have always been with Him..and those prodigals squandered all

their life down here..while we remained with the Father.  THEN on top of it all..he was given the best robe!!!!

  Would you come into the house and party and start dancing too? Yeah! The family's all togather now.

  what if..in the end....those who were 'first[fruits] were really last?in that we stayed with Him while down here...serving Him......

and the ones who refused to serve him on earth..lived riotously...and where sin abounded in their life..Grace abounded more

abundantly. What if because we kept the command to honour our Father and Mother..our years were long on the earth..and those

who didn't died before us?

Would you be offended like the Pharisee's and Sadducee's? or the elder brother?  When Father's mercy and love for all His

prodigals,and Jesus' heart and their goodness offend you?  Or would our eye be 'evil' expecting more?

when invited..we are not supposed to take the best seat..but a lower one.........or we may be asked to go to a lower position

and be ashamed..that we presumed so much of ourselves before God and Jesus.

something to think about.

[rosered]

Love  has always been the only    true motive   from the heart that can  endure all things and still glorify God .. 

"LOVE THIS" Rose  :HeartThrob:

It is the only thing that can reconcile the judgment of God ..... that judgment being the death of the first born in us so that He can raise us up again ..... which He accomplished at the cross and is accomplishing in us today

      God bless you   Jugg    and all 


   GOD IS LOVE  :HeartThrob:  1 John 4

7  Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God;


and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.


9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him....

[GodIsLove]

Love this thread Rose, thanks for starting it!   :HeartThrob:


Sheila, love your posts--the last one really made me think  :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: Amen, good posts  :thumbsup: :banana: