Path of Truth

[jabcat]

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i don't think i'd describe it as a turf war, especially in the sense i understand it usually used.. ...personally, I'm not fighting, except to be a steward on this site, etc., and i don't think Gary struggles with them either (read, attempt to reason)

all you have to do is look at their list of "false teachers".  have a couple of varying understandings/beliefs?  "you don't know God" and "you're a false teacher", etc.

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Searching... if you think you're "on the same side" with them, tell them 2 or 3 of your beliefs and see how that goes

you know the saying, live peaceably with all men as much as lies within you?  sometimes it's not up to us, it's the 'other guy' that doesn't want to..

I think of "warn a contentious man...then..."

[joeteekay]

I have looked at the path of truth website and from what I read, they also share the greatest hope that Lord Jesus will save all of mankind. Regardless of their opinions of tentmaker, they are on the same side as we are as far as I am concerned

Thanks SFT,
IMO that web site has both good information and some misinformation. We must discern. I have not spent much time looking at the web site but when I see there  a list of many preachers, teachers and evangelists with a link to what they decide to agree with or disagree with I find it not right. It is fair to point out scriptural errors of such people who attempt to preach the gospel, but I find their approach rather offensive. Is Christ there? I do not know.!

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[jabcat]

yes, it's no judgment of their salvation or whether they know God or not.  the scriptures say believe on Jesus and be saved.  the condition of anyone's spirit before God is between them and God, especially if they confess a belief in Jesus as the crucified and risen Savior, Son of God.  It's more of a situation of the forum being for specific purposes, and arguing, being rude, personally insulting, stirring dissension is not among them.  of course anyone can pretty much say whatever they want on their own site, and Gary can debate them (or anyone) if he wishes..that's just not what the forum is for.. :2c:

on a personal level, i generally don't like to argue, consider it a waste of energy that can be used elsewhere, and typically try to avert doing it.

[ed]

I have looked at the path of truth website and from what I read, they also share the greatest hope that Lord Jesus will save all of mankind. Regardless of their opinions of tentmaker, they are on the same side as we are as far as I am concerned

Definition of False Teacher: One who presumes to teach in the Name of the Lord when God has not sent him.

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Here is their list.........see anyone else on there that we should not listen to?

Adeboye, Enoch
Aïvanhov, Mikhaël
Akintunde, Yinka
Amirault, Gary
Ardah, Arjguna
Armstrong, Herbert
Arnecillo, Fidel Jr.
Arnott, John & Carol
Bacchiocchi, Samuele
Baxter, Mary
Beeson, Willie
Bent, Wayne
Bentley, Todd
Berrigan, Daniel
Bilyeu, Sammy
Blackaby, Henry
Boota, Razia
Borum, David
Bosch, Anton
Boshoff, Jan
Botkin, Daniel
Branham, William
Bretherick, Graham
Brown, Tom
Browne, Rodney H.
Brueseke, Joel
Calvin, John
Cameron, Kirk
Camm, Jeffry
Carson, D.A.
Carter, Jimmy
Case, Ryan
Challies, Tim
Chan, Francis
Chew, Ben
Chopra, Deepak
Chouravong, Ami
Claiborne, Shane
Clark, John Sr.
Cohen, Aviad
Comfort, Ray
Conlon, Carter
Copeland, Kenneth
Crews, William
Daugherty, Billy Joe
Dawn, Marva
Deweert, Dick & Joan
Dewey, Pam
Doctorian, Samuel
Driscoll, Mark
Duplantis, Jesse
Eby, J. Preston
Edwards, Harry
Ehrman, Bart
Federow, Stuart
Fields, Roy
Fish, Darwin
Geisler, Dave
Gershon, Otto
Gilchrist, Rodney
Gimenez, Anne
Graham, Billy
Gray, Daryl
Groeschel, Craig
Hagee, John
Hahn, Scott
Hanegraaff, Hank
Hill, George & Hazel
Hinn, Benny
Horowitz, Len
Houdmann, Michael
Houston, Brian
Hufford, Darin
Johnson, Bill
Johnson, Nita
Jones, Stephen E.
Joshua, T.B.
Joyner, Rick
Kang, Steve
Kapler, Mike
King, Martin Luther
King, Patricia
Kjos, Berit
Kropveld, Mike
Kumuyi, W.F.
Lake, Kyle
Leckey, Kenneth
Leman, Derek
Lindsey, Hal
Loewen, Dave
Lopez, Jeremy
Luther, Martin
MacArthur, John
Maison, Perry
Malkmus, George
Manning, James David
Mathew, Samuel
McCartney, Bill
McDonald, Garry
McIntyre, Simon
McPherson, Aimee
Merola, Maria
Meyer, Joyce
Moreland, J.P.
Müller, George
Muoka, Lazarus
Murdock, Mike
Murray, Andrew
Nehale, Victoria
Olukoya, Daniel
Oritsejafor, Ayo
Osteen, Joel
Owuor, David
Oyakhilome, Chris
Oyedepo, David
Pearson, Carlton
Piper, John
Pope John Paul II
Prankard, Bill
Prince, Derek
Prince, Joseph
Pringle, Phil & Chris
Prinzing, Ray
Quiboloy, Apollo
Ratliff, Mike
Refiner's Fire
Rima, Samuel
Robbins, John
Roberts, Oral
Rosen, Moishe
Rush, Dean
Russell, Charles
Rutherford, Joseph
Samtur, Brian
Schuller, Robert
Scott, Buff Jr.
Servant, David
Shaparenko, Gene
Sheridan, Dan
Sigler, Gary
Siljander, Mark
Skolfield, Ellis
Slick, Matt
Smith, Joseph
Smith, L. Ray
Solbrekken, Max
Somers, Bill
Spiro, Ken
Spong, John Shelby
Spriggs, Gene
Spurgeon, Charles H.
Stevenson, Bill
Steyn, Frank
Swaggart, Jimmy
Sweet, Leonard
Sweetman, Dean & Jill
Thomas, Al
Thurman, Robert
Tolle, Eckhart
Tongol, Joshua
Travesser, Michael
Uda, Joan
Veith, Walter
Viola, Frank
Walden, Franklin
Walsch, Neale Donald
Warnock, George
Warren, Rick
Washer, Paul
Watchman Fellowship
Watt, Jim
Weinland, Ronald
White, Ellen G.
White, Lew
Wiese, Bill
Wiggs, Evan
Wilkerson, David
Wimber, John
Winfrey, Oprah
Wojtyla, Karol
Wommack, Andrew
Wood, Stacy & Pamla
Yancey, Philip
Young, W. Paul
Zambrano, Angelica
Zender, Martin
Zook, William

[eaglesway]

They hav Andrew Murray, Ray Prinzig, J. Preston Eby and Stephen Jones on their list. I may disagree with some things some of those brothers teach, but none of them is what I would consider a "false teacher". These people are elitist and sectarian to the utmost in my opinion.

[ed]

Martin Luther?

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Jimmy Carter?
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I know that God works through Jimmy!

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[eaglesway]

I think it important to remember that most of the "false apostles" of the early church believed in the salvation of all too.  :eek:

[Tom]

"Jesus is saying to him, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life."" (John 14:6)

It seems the way or "path of truth" is stated clearly in that verse. So I think anybody who teaches that is teaching truth even though there may be some disagreement about other doctrine. It's obvious that all the folks on this site don't agree on all the doctrine discussed here, but I think we're all going through a process of coming to a better understanding of God's ways.

"Now you may not be called 'Rabbi,' for One is your Teacher, yet you all are brethren." (Matthew 23:8)

[micah7:9]

Hey Ed you need perhaps at the top of the list ad Victor Hafichuk! :laugh:

I just read quickly through their "statements of faith" and their "doctrine", seems they set up just to be "brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling;"

There are just TOO many names on that list of ministers and teachers that that site just don't care for, men who have labored at the gospel plow and given forth Truth, that the one Victor Hafichuk wants to shout against in the congregation of religious controversy. Yeah it's just my opinion. :Peace2:

[Searching_For_The_Truth]

I agree with the comments about the list, but aside from that, the path to truth website has a lot of good points as well. I respectfully disagree with the notion that they are self-righteous (despite the list of people who we shouldn't listen to) because they are the ones who are pointing out how Modern Christianity likes to put man in control instead of God at times.

[eaglesway]

Yet at the same time, it appears they exercise a lot of man's control in that they categorize anyone who disagrees with them as "unsaved" or "false teachers".

Being familiar with many of the teachers on their list- i would say most everyone on this site would be categorized as "false" by them.

I am not saying they are false teachers. I am saying they seem to have a veryy sectarian attitude. That's just my opinion of course.

[Seth]

Personally I believe anyone who teaches Law mixture with grace is a false teacher. I think Paul was clear in no uncertain terms about that. They separate out the so-called moral laws from the other ones and preserve some while being rid of the others, except for Sabbath which they call for observance. Judaizing was the whole reason Paul wrote the book of Galatians. I believe they speak falsely and that they are false teachers.

[micah7:9]

Yet at the same time, it appears they exercise a lot of man's control in that they categorize anyone who disagrees with them as "unsaved" or "false teachers".

Being familiar with many of the teachers on their list- i would say most everyone on this site would be categorized as "false" by them.

I am not saying they are false teachers. I am saying they seem to have a veryy sectarian attitude. That's just my opinion of course.

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[Tom]

I agree with Seth about Paul's epistle to the Galatians and the distorted evangel. That's the problem with the church. I think it's sad when anybody preaches an exclusivist doctrine because it seems scripture is inclusive to the point of actually including all those in the universe. Scripture says believers were chosen before the disruption of the world according to God's will, not because of anything we've done, and it is only our work, or evangelizing, that will be burned up at the dais of Christ if it isn't based on the foundation of Jesus Christ. So we shouldn't be pushing a distorted evangel of grace plus works, but Christ is ultimately the judge of that. Believers are saved in grace through faith for eonian life, but those who die as unbelievers are saved by the same grace of God at the consummation of the eons. So I don't think it's a question of salvation. I don't know what specific reason the folks in question have for judging each specific person they've judged to be a false teacher, but I'm pretty familiar with Martin Zender's teaching because I used to do a little proofreading for him. His political rants bore me, but I think he's right on about scripture. So I don't know what problem the folks on the website have with him, but, if it's about universal reconciliation, I'd say they're guilty of what they're accusing other folks. That's just my humble opinion though.

[Eduard]

" I am not in agreement with everyone who teaches the salvation of all. I am in agreement with everyone who walks in the humility of Christ- which is the source of the salvation of all. "

Yes! Thank you, eaglesway  :iagree: :thumbsup:

[eaglesway]

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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[joeteekay]

Mic_6:8  He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

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