Mat 24:34

[micah7:9]

:cloud9: Yes, but do you really think THIS is THAT?  :mrflo:

Sorry, couldn't resist.... :winkgrin:

So I would say reading the details that, the two words "THIS and THAT are out of the question. They wont work with our puzzle?

[willieH]

willieH: Hi T-tank... :hithere:

It's important to remember that before Jesus talks about these events, the disciples ask this important question.

what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So here the disciples are asking Jesus about the events that happen the same time as the end of the world.

So Jesus in that respect, answers the question from the view of the end of the world and therefore is looking at that generation that exists during that period called "the end of the world"

FIRST --- we must be careful not to put God's WORD into a box which fits our theologies...  :mblush:

If you look at the text... the word "WORLD" is translated from the word AION - #G165 which means AGE...  NOT the "END of the WORLD" as in the CONCLUSION of this realm and THIS EARTH...  :dontknow:

Rather, they were asking about the conclusion of the AGE He was speaking of... which was to the "generation" in which He was teaching, and in which all these things would come to fulfillment.

If this is concerning the "literal" END of the WORLD... what place has the Sabbath in an "end of the world" which would occur in THIS day? [vs 20]   :dontknow:  Why would those in the very END of time need be concerned about the SABBATH day?  Why would those with young children have to be especially concerned?  Or what has WINTER have to do with anything?  It's the "end of the world" children or winter, or not.   :dontknow:

If WORLDWIDE nuclear WAR is imminent... shall we be concerned that it is taking place in the winter?  Or on the SABBATH day?

Even in MOST of Christianity (the groupings which claim to follow CHRIST), find the SABBATH as irrelevant, and it goes unobserved... so why would IT be a big deal?  With the exception of the 7th Day Adventists, Baptists, church of God... the LIONS SHARE of Christianity thinks SABBATH observation is "CULTISH"!

SECOND --- what is the relevance to these guys?  Let us say the world "ends" in the next hundred years... it is 2100 years past any relevance to them...  Why did JESUS not get SPECIFIC?  Why did He not say such as, ...hundreds of years shall pass from THIS day, but in the time of the END of the WORLD [kosmos=WORLD/Creation]... blah-blah-blah?

THIRD --- as has been mentioned... what is the relevance of "Judea" or "housetops", in all this?

As I said above... we must not disinclude the possibility this is speaking RELEVANT to the end of the AGE in which the FULFILLMENTS came SPIRITUALLY, as well as speaking of the AGE in which the FULFILLMENTS come PHYSICALLY as well... as well as possibly speaking of the "AGE" of our own individual experience...

It is easily possible that all these are possible...  One thing is for sure... just when you think you have pinpointed what the WORD says in a given instance... more often becomes visible!

JESUS is the same in all moments of time and is RELEVANT to ALL, irregardless of the moment in which their lives appear... And easily ...CAME, ...is COMING, and ...WILL COME... and in ALL THESE "comings", are the texts of Matt 24 potentially relevant...

We must also consider that these texts are not speaking in GENERALITY such as the WORLD as a whole, but, as speaking to us as individuals... This could be easily pertinent to the LIFE of each individual... Speaking these things as relevant in our own short experiences...

When we least expect, death can occur, and often does.  When one DIES... the Lord is COME concerning that one, for the very next thing, one shall experience (along with everyone else) is the RESURRECTION...

Great discussion...  :bgdance:

Love you guys...  :IloveU: :grouppray:

...willieH  :cloud9:

[WhiteWings]

It's important to remember thaat before Jesus talks about these events, the disciples ask this important question.

what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

So here the disciples are asking Jesus about the event s that happen the same time as the end of the world.

So Jesus in that respect, answers the question from the view of the end of the world and therefore is looking at that generation that exists during that period called "the end of the world"

Meaning all the signs should happen in a 40 year period. It would make things a little easier. The theory that the founding of Isreal in 1948 can no longer we true because we can only go back to 1970.

It could also mean that each person (a generation) has his/her own revaltion sequence.

[micah7:9]

What if you just disregarded the standard of the 1948?

[WhiteWings]

what do you mean by that?

[micah7:9]

Just what I said. Leave the 1948 state of Israel of  your equation. What do you do then?

[WhiteWings]

Just what I said. Leave the 1948 state of Israel of  your equation. What do you do then?

Ok.
Because there are 6 billio generations on earth it means that 1948 is part of some generations. But obviously not those born after that date. So on second thought every event is part of a generation block.
And possibly that generation starts at the age of 30.

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9: At one point didn't He say He gave man three score plus ten = 70 years?  :dontknow:

[WhiteWings]

:cloud9: At one point didn't He say He gave man three score plus ten = 70 years?  :dontknow:

I don't know the verse or words but I'm quite sure something to this extent is written:

We get 30 years of youth. Then 40 years of .....testing/suffering ??? follows.

[Nathan]

The testing and suffering thing doesn't fit with "every" reference to the number 40.  For example, the 40 days "after" the resurrection of Christ before the ascension . . .for me, it is connected with the number of weeks a woman carries a child . . .40 is the number of birthing . .. 30 is the age for a man to become a priest . . .so maybe in that sense, 30 is for maturity and 40 is to birth life into existance as a result of that maturity in Christ.

[thinktank]

Just what I said. Leave the 1948 state of Israel of  your equation. What do you do then?

Ok.
Because there are 6 billio generations on earth it means that 1948 is part of some generations. But obviously not those born after that date. So on second thought every event is part of a generation block.
And possibly that generation starts at the age of 30.

I don't know if this is true but here some thought. If the last generation are born in 1948 and we add 120 years to them which is the maximum age given by God to man, then we arive at 2068. God being God can do things with various flexibility within this time range, assuming this time range is accurate, for maybe God will increase the age limit even further. :2c:

[Nathan]

(wincing as I throw this one out)
Can't help but try to redirect the 120 year thing a bit . . .I don't know if I can base stuff on seeing God's template same as ours.  Assuming he's measuring with our context of measurement kind of makes me a little uneasy. 

The whole context of 120 years wasn't dealing with a literal lifespan of "a" man.  If it was, then the geneologies in Scripture would reflect that men never lived beyond or short of 120 years.  Or at least I would think there'd been a lot more people that came close to the 120 threshold, but there just isn't any evidence supporting that.  Moses was the ONLY man who lived to be 120 years before his spirit left him.  He represents the law. 

The reasoning for God to declare a specific frame of time seems to derive from God's "wrestling" with man.  I don't think it was wearing him out, I just think he's wanted nothing more than to be able to embrace what he cherishes most.  But due to the carnality governing man's domain as well as influencing man himself, God declared there would be an end to the wrestling.  It wasn't so much about a man's generation being modified as much as it was about an end to the emnity.

I beleive God sees everything through the eyes of the cross, even in measuring the end of things that are not eternal.  Jesus is his plumb line.  Jesus is the Sabbath . . .Jesus is the Sabbath of Sabbaths . . .which is what Jubilee is.  It's a celebration following 7 Sabbath years.  1 Sabbath year is 7 years.  Just as there's a Sabbath day being the 7th of 7 days, there is also a celebration following the Sabbath of Sabbaths.  That's a total of 49 years and the 50 year was the Sabbath year.

So if God measures righteousness through the Son, and his Son is Jubilee, which is 50, then I take 50 times the 120 years proclaimed and the sum of that is . . .6000 which is 6 covenant days.  6 is the number of man/carnality, 6 days are the days of labor.  He was simply calling his principle into existence as an established principle of the kingdom.  Kind of like establishing the law of gravity.

6 days we labor, on the 7th we enter into his rest.  God shall not wrestle with man for ever, his days shall be 120 (Jubilee years)  At the end of the 120 years, the wrestling will come to an end.  "This" is "that" which is the beginning of the Sabbath Rest, the end of the days of laboring understanding, the beginning of Revelational relationship.  It's the rock upon which Christ declared to build his church and the gates of hell (referring to my arguing mind) can not prevail against it. 

[Cardinal]

 :cloud9:  :thumbsup: