My point is that many people think that it means that it only means you cannot judge others if you have sin on yourself. But on another hand, we have the responsibility to judge sinful actions. Basically, hate the sin, not the sinner. I have also noticed that many Christians including Universalists can be a bit judgmental against the Religious leaders.
Agreed!
Romans 2 (New International Version, ©2010)
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
Nonetheless, in the interest of building one up in the faith, we must (gently) admonish those who are sinning and watch ourselves too that we may not be a stumbling block for them...
But we know with confidence that Christ Jesus who started the good work in us will carry it into completion until His coming.
Philippians 1: 6
See the sin as an infection, the sinner is but a victim, deep inside he suffers and long for love and life.
Jesus said He did not come to judge; but still He was very clear He disagreed with the views of many people.
The same pattern is often repeated in the Bible.
A Scribe or Pharisee in the crowd asks a question about a OT law.
The answer of Jesus is often also a question referring to a OT law.
Both ask questions but still Jesus is seen as the good guy that doesn't judge.
The Scribes are always the bad guys.
But why exactly?
Jesus usually answers with a question that refers to some law.
The Scribes usually ask a question that refers to some law.
Asking questions is a way of learning. Learning Gods laws isn't bad.
So the questions were not wrong. They were all inquiries about God's law.
Obviously the answers were not wrong either.
The only difference between the questions is the intention.
Jesus answered with the hope the Scribes would learn something and become better people. => Positive/corrective
The Scribes didn't ask to learn; they only asked so they could trick Jesus into saying something that should be punished with death => Negative/Vindictive
It's a bit like the UR ET punishment debate. ETs see it as vindictive and UR sees it as corrective.
So my view is that vindictive judgment is not allowed but corrective judgment is needed.
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WW "It's a bit like the UR ET punishment debate. ETs see it as vindictive and UR sees it as corrective.
So my view is that vindictive judgment is not allowed but corrective judgment is needed."
Very good. :bigGrin:
:cloud9: The flesh of Him, doesn't come to judge, but the Spirit did and does......
Quote from: Universalist Catholic on December 22, 2010, 05:12:35 AM
My point is that many people think that it means that it only means you cannot judge others if you have sin on yourself. But on another hand, we have the responsibility to judge sinful actions. Basically, hate the sin, not the sinner. I have also noticed that many Christians including Universalists can be a bit judgmental against the Religious leaders.
I think even UR guys can fall into the trap of a judgmental spirit. I find myself doing it. When someone believes in ET, I feel myself questioning their heart and walk. That is not my place.
Quote from: micah7:9 on December 22, 2010, 05:12:56 PM
WW "It's a bit like the UR ET punishment debate. ETs see it as vindictive and UR sees it as corrective.
So my view is that vindictive judgment is not allowed but corrective judgment is needed."
Very good. :bigGrin:
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Both ask questions but still Jesus is seen as the good guy that doesn't judge.
The Scribes are always the bad guys.
But why exactly?
Jesus usually answers with a question that refers to some law.
The Scribes usually ask a question that refers to some law.
Asking questions is a way of learning. Learning Gods laws isn't bad.
So the questions were not wrong. They were all inquiries about God's law.
Obviously the answers were not wrong either.
The only difference between the questions is the intention.
Jesus answered with the hope the Scribes would learn something and become better people. => Positive/corrective
The Scribes didn't ask to learn; they only asked so they could trick Jesus into saying something that should be punished with death => Negative/Vindictive
:thumbsup: wings