http://vigilantcitizen.com/
After I read everything, I was shocked and God bless the creator of that site for the spreading the truth about the secret dark government
the all-eye seeing IS everywhere, the movies, music and ads.
trust me, you got to see this. God is working through the creator to bring the truth of this terrible government.
I find a lot of these conspiracy theorists go out of their way to prove evil symbols in pop videos etc. I once saw a youtube video saying that this video employs occult images.
e.g Rainbow - This symbolizes lucifers kingdom of false peace
clouds = confusion
yada yada yada and so on.
If the guy new his bible he would recognize that rainbow = covenant of peace given to Abraham by God.
The song itself even talked about offering up prayers. Some people are just spiritually blind and in fact themselves are employing witchcraft by manupilation, by taking the things of God and ascribing it to the devil.
Think Tank
I think... the mystery of iniquity ZIONISM working to build the kingdom of the anti Christ through religion and goverments (whore and the beast) IMHO.
But I could be wrong
Quote from: thinktank on September 25, 2010, 11:07:22 PM
I find a lot of these conspiracy theorists go out of their way to prove evil symbols in pop videos etc. I once saw a youtube video saying that this video employs occult images.
e.g Rainbow - This symbolizes lucifers kingdom of false peace
clouds = confusion
yada yada yada and so on.
If the guy new his bible he would recognize that rainbow = covenant of peace given to Abraham by God.
The song itself even talked about offering up prayers. Some people are just spiritually blind and in fact themselves are employing witchcraft by manupilation, by taking the things of God and ascribing it to the devil.
:thumbsup:
The rainbow has taken on different meanings. It is now used as a symbol of the gay rights movement.
:eek: :sigh:
"to the pure, all things are pure". rainbows are to me, a beautiful testament to God's love and faithfulness. :o)
I think the illuminati "conspiracy theory" and other "crackpot kool aid drinker conspiracy theories" are probably a conspiracy theory to reduce the credibility of true accusations of conspiracy (I am doubtfull of the illuminati "conspiracy". I am sure some people probably call themselves the illuminati but I doubt they rule America or the world). Who is the mastermind of this conspiracy? Well "they" are of course! :winkgrin: I think this artical(the link I am sharing) raises some good points at least until it starts the list of "true" "conspiracy theories"(I do not know whether the list is accurate or not but I share the link because of the article before the list starts which raises good points) http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/
People conspire about all sorts of stuff..............allegedly
:winkgrin:
Quote from: ed on July 03, 2014, 02:47:46 PM
People conspire about all sorts of stuff..............allegedly
:winkgrin:
once it is no longer "alledgedly" it has usually gone from "secretive conspiracy" to out right takeover ;o)
Isaaih 8;11-13 The Lord spoke to me,with His strong hand upon me,warning me not to follow the way
of this people. He said;
'DO NOT CALL CONSPIRACY EVERYTHING THAT THESE PEOPLE CALL CONSPIRACY,DO NOT FEAR
WHAT THEY FEAR,AND DO NOT DREAD IT. THE LORD ALMIGHTY IS THE ONE YOU ARE TO REGARD
AS HOLY,HE IS THE ONE YOU ARE TO FEAR,HE IS THE ONE YOU ARE TO DREAD. AND HE WILL BE
A SANCTUARY.
the scriptures are full of examples of the wicked conspiring aagainst God's people....Daniel..ending up
in the lion's den was the result of one such incident. David also has incidents he faced..as well as Our Lord
himself..from His birth...even unto His death on the cross.
are some true? yes..are all true..no. BUT THAT GOD DELIVERS AND CONFOUNDS THE DEVIOUS IN THEIR
PLANS,THWARTING,IF HE WILL..OR SUFFERING HIS PEOPLE TO BE MARTYRED IF HE WILL IS TRUTH.
He can warn'get out of her,my people..to deliver..leave for Egypt..for Herod is seeking the child's life..etc
He can provide escape...the woman was given the wings of an eagle..He can strike with blindness....
Elijah..soldiers sent to take into custody,angels with Lot and those trying to break in..........
.imo..the single thing about this..is the vastness of all the conspiracy theories..the inability to discern the truth
of without all the facts. God knows what is true.......I think there be a danger at this time to concern
oneself overmuch about these things..and neglect our spiritual concerns. why one can be on the computor
reading all these things day and night..and wear oneslef out..and neglect prayer and that which edifies.
I love those verses sheila. I remember back in the early 70's when I was an newborn babe in Christ, and my faith was being unsettled by a plethora of sensationalized conspiracy stuff, along with rapture teachings and various "end of the world/oneworld gov/anti-christ reign" movies and teachings- the Holy Spirit used those verses to set me free from fear and remind me that only my Father is worthy of my awe and that as long as i am seeking Him I need not fear what man can do to me.
yes... same here..EW..........hope the pst helps ..... :friendstu:
:cloud9: I just watched a documentary this week called "Food, Inc.". I think the "conspiracies" are out in the open if one knows where to look, and whether they are or are not "illuminati" is irrelevant now.
It is stunning what Monsanto and others are doing and have already done to control the food chain and how, and are getting away with it after putting their people in positions of power within our government.
People have become so complacent about the preponderance of evil in our society and the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness that goes along with it, that those that do such things are literally running roughshod over us while we "sleep". God help us all. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on July 04, 2014, 01:02:14 AM
:cloud9: I just watched a documentary this week called "Food, Inc.". I think the "conspiracies" are out in the open if one knows where to look, and whether they are or are not "illuminati" is irrelevant now.
It is stunning what Monsanto and others are doing and have already done to control the food chain and how, and are getting away with it after putting their people in positions of power within our government.
People have become so complacent about the preponderance of evil in our society and the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness that goes along with it, that those that do such things are literally running roughshod over us while we "sleep". God help us all. Blessings....
yep :sigh:
Food, Inc, is one of the clearest presentations of corruption in our land ever shown. When we pray(intercede), I think we ought also be "salt".
"Reprove the unfruitful works of darkness"
I wonder why Jesus talked about the inequities of moneychangers(bankers) and the corruption of measures and weights, or tax collectors exacting overages and oppressing the poor(or was that John the B or was that both of them?).
I wonder why James declared that the wages robbed from the poor(Woe unto you rich) would cry out from the ground(spilled blood, robbery and oppression equalled to murder, stealing life) against them on the Day?
Cnristian religionists today think these things are beyond the pale of our gospel, but they are not.
:cloud9: Very true. I had read about Monsanto and the seed thing when they first got away with it, but had no idea of some of the other things going on, or of depth of corruption at the top levels they have gotten away with.
I found out through a farmer friend over a decade ago, that the EPA decided it was safe to have waste from facilities like hospitals, poured on our food crops. Waste that contains pathogens that don't die for decades, in the soil, going into the food chain. She unfortunately found this out the hard way, after her well and the wells of her neighbors were contaminated by the run off, and all the labs in this State refused to do the testing on the water samples for fear. She ultimately had to send the samples 3000 miles away for testing.
The result was she got a pathogen of some rare flesh eating bacteria that nearly was unidentifiable, which appeared as a quarter size spot on her buttocks one night. Less than 24 hours later she was fighting for her life as the thing had eaten away her buttock and thigh, and spread to her other organs via her bloodstream.
This came from the waste her neighbor had shipped in via tanker in the middle of the night so no one would see it, because it saved him some money on fertilizer, and since the EPA said it was safe, well it must be, right? Never mind that John Hopkins scientists said it wasn't true, those pathogens continue to live in the soil for decades. This country is nearly completely given over to the god of mammon, IMO. It's sad what our children and grandchildren are going to have to contend with, isn't it? :sigh:
Quote from: Cardinal on July 04, 2014, 01:02:14 AM
:cloud9: I just watched a documentary this week called "Food, Inc.". I think the "conspiracies" are out in the open if one knows where to look, and whether they are or are not "illuminati" is irrelevant now.
It is stunning what Monsanto and others are doing and have already done to control the food chain and how, and are getting away with it after putting their people in positions of power within our government.
People have become so complacent about the preponderance of evil in our society and the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness that goes along with it, that those that do such things are literally running roughshod over us while we "sleep". God help us all. Blessings....
The health chain in controlled too. Watch "Sicko" by Micheal Moore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eow1aZBUJ0w
Insured people being denied cancer treatment because they lied on their application form. The lie was forgetting to mention a tiny fungus infection of a toe. Cut finger in the USA 60k. Free in Canada. And lot moore sicko stuff.
There is a reliable lackmus test for conspiracies :winkgrin: If someone can earn from it, it's likely true.... :2c:
While you are busy read 'Codex Alimentarius'.
Small warning: Don't use ancient gardening tricks like soapy water against lice and salt/coffee against snails. You will be breaking pesticide laws :sigh:
Quote from: Cardinal on July 04, 2014, 07:56:59 AM
:cloud9: Very true. I had read about Monsanto and the seed thing when they first got away with it, but had no idea of some of the other things going on, or of depth of corruption at the top levels they have gotten away with.
I found out through a farmer friend over a decade ago, that the EPA decided it was safe to have waste from facilities like hospitals, poured on our food crops. Waste that contains pathogens that don't die for decades, in the soil, going into the food chain. She unfortunately found this out the hard way, after her well and the wells of her neighbors were contaminated by the run off, and all the labs in this State refused to do the testing on the water samples for fear. She ultimately had to send the samples 3000 miles away for testing.
The result was she got a pathogen of some rare flesh eating bacteria that nearly was unidentifiable, which appeared as a quarter size spot on her buttocks one night. Less than 24 hours later she was fighting for her life as the thing had eaten away her buttock and thigh, and spread to her other organs via her bloodstream.
This came from the waste her neighbor had shipped in via tanker in the middle of the night so no one would see it, because it saved him some money on fertilizer, and since the EPA said it was safe, well it must be, right? Never mind that John Hopkins scientists said it wasn't true, those pathogens continue to live in the soil for decades. This country is nearly completely given over to the god of mammon, IMO. It's sad what our children and grandchildren are going to have to contend with, isn't it? :sigh:
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Exactly, That's why I wonder how people sleep so well at night knowing what their children will face. If someone wanted to shoot my child in the street I would cry out, but if someone is poisoning my child for profit, I sit on my hands. Maybe it is just so insidious most people can't wrap their minds around it.
That's because people believe that some shoot children. The same people believe the government always works for the best of the people. Corruption only happens in <insert country we are taught to hate>
Quote from: eaglesway on July 04, 2014, 08:20:04 AM
Exactly, That's why I wonder how people sleep so well at night knowing what their children will face. If someone wanted to shoot my child in the street I would cry out, but if someone is poisoning my child for profit, I sit on my hands. Maybe it is just so insidious most people can't wrap their minds around it.
:cloud9: I think that has a lot to do with it. Most rational people if presented with it, would see the big picture of mass manipulation of a natural resource and KNOW that cannot possibly be a good thing.
But once we allowed corporations to form (a purely artificial entity created exclusively for the benefit of tax write offs and to enrich the few at the detriment to the many), we set the stage for "kings" to rule over us who have personal wealth equivalent to some nations, that were neither chosen nor elected, and do not even remotely have a servant's heart. Now it's so commonplace we can't imagine what our society was like before they took over. :sigh: My :2c:....Blessings.....
:iagree:
Quote from: WhiteWings on July 04, 2014, 10:29:52 AM
That's because people believe that some shoot children. The same people believe the government always works for the best of the people. Corruption only happens in <insert country we are taught to hate>
Absolutely tru. This kind f transference is denial and insanity, bred by fear , seduction and lies(fear+seduction+lies= propaganda, manipulation)
The only rational response to all this corruption is inchoate screaming...
The only solution will involve blood in the streets and/or Divine intervention.
An other solution is to educate the police :laugh:
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Quote from: WhiteWings on July 05, 2014, 09:58:16 AM
An other solution is to educate the police :laugh:
Given the declining requirements for police recruitment, that is somewhat doubtful... :doh:
Loss of pension should be quite the wakeup call however. :Peace2:
The people who make videos about the Illuminati and the End times seem to take no joy in the here and now. They almost seem obsessed with the world ending, which I don't think is what God wants. As for Monsanto's, their isn'y much we can do. The corporations have all the power, and the only way to fix it is a civil war, and that isn't going to happen. When the end times come, God will put things right.
Quote from: UniversalSceptic on September 07, 2014, 08:57:24 PM
The people who make videos about the Illuminati and the End times seem to take no joy in the here and now. They almost seem obsessed with the world ending, which I don't think is what God wants. As for Monsanto's, their isn'y much we can do. The corporations have all the power, and the only way to fix it is a civil war, and that isn't going to happen. When the end times come, God will put things right.
I can hope this helps you brother
You know what helped me put into perspective ? God is so way up HIGH and SEES AND KNOWS ALL THINGS
we are down here in a low place and can barely see and know anything
our lives are so very short here and now some dont even live a moment and some can live 120 years or so
But History allows us to understand that those that are long gone from here in mortal bodies
are examples of How Big God is still and always was and will be and God allows a lot of things to change over time
and Time is something only important to human terms , I am not sure Time is something that is measured in God
What do you think ?
Quote from: UniversalSceptic on September 07, 2014, 08:57:24 PM
The people who make videos about the Illuminati and the End times seem to take no joy in the here and now. They almost seem obsessed with the world ending...
That's why it's called "Doom Porn." :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
in the scriptures there is verse sayin'do not call conspiracy everything this people call conspiracy"
...we could find ourselves joined to a 'Jerry' as husband instead of Jesus Christ. for those who don't know.......
Jerry was a character in the movie 'Conspiracy Theory" it was on just last week.
I believe the illuminati has taken over the Vatican. For more info, watch William Tapley's youtube videos about it. According to Tapley, Mary will crush these symbols in the end and Lord Jesus will use Mary's Rosary to defeat the Anti Christ.
The scripture says the Anti-Christ will be destroyed by the brightness of His appearing. The rosary is a religious tradition. I would hold Tapleys teaching suspect if he believes there is power in the rosary.
Quote from: eaglesway on September 08, 2014, 07:59:33 AM
The scripture says the Anti-Christ will be destroyed by the brightness of His appearing. The rosary is a religious tradition. I would hold Tapleys teaching suspect if he believes there is power in the rosary.
According to Tapley, Lord Jesus will use Mary's Rosary (which has 5 mysteries) to defeat the anti christ just like David used 5 pebbles to defeat Goliath.
IMO, Catholic mysticism with no scriptural basis upon which to stand.
Quote from: eaglesway on September 08, 2014, 08:03:36 AM
IMO, Catholic mysticism with no scriptural basis upon which to stand.
I admit, I have been curious about why the Bible never mentioned the significance of Mary's Rosary since the Catholic Church and Catholic prophets emphasize it so much. I heard it had something to do with Mary visiting the church and instructing them to pray the rosary to prepare for the end times.
In this world, growing up often means unlearning/relearning what we were taught in our youth. In my case, I grew up in the Southern Baptist church (ET), later joined the Seventh-Day Adventist church (ED), and have now learned UR.
Quote from: Searching_For_The_Truth on September 08, 2014, 08:15:44 AM
Quote from: eaglesway on September 08, 2014, 08:03:36 AM
IMO, Catholic mysticism with no scriptural basis upon which to stand.
I admit, I have been curious about why the Bible never mentioned the significance of Mary's Rosary since the Catholic Church and Catholic prophets emphasize it so much. I heard it had something to do with Mary visiting the church and instructing them to pray the rosary to prepare for the end times.
My questions is: Why does Jesus need a weapon? He can just snap his fingers and poof; the anti-Christ is defeated. Also this just sounds like the Catholics stroking their ego that they are God's chosen people. Most people and religious denominations want to think they are the only one(s) to have the inside tract with God.
the rosary..and praying the rosary is just custom and tradition,as far as I can see...and Just like in Jesus
day,when He told the church leaders they invalidate the commands of God through such. He said.....
Pray this way...Our Father who art in heaven....and to Not recite long prayers etc..or pray as the pagans do..
nor pray publicly..to be observed of men..or go on babbling.
Matthew 6;5-14 read these scriptures..then examine the catholic tradition/custom of the rosary..and
judge for yourself..if this is what Jesus commanded/meant prayer to be.
also,read Jeremiah 7;18 and ch 44;17-25...personally,I think Mary would be mortified at that title......
much like Paul and Barnabus were in Acts 4;8-18 when the pagans wanted to sacrifice to them.
Read some westerns :banana:
...smart alecs....... :friendstu:
Quote from: sheila on September 08, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
the rosary..and praying the rosary is just custom and tradition,as far as I can see...and Just like in Jesus
day,when He told the church leaders they invalidate the commands of God through such. He said.....
Pray this way...Our Father who art in heaven....and to Not recite long prayers etc..or pray as the pagans do..
nor pray publicly..to be observed of men..or go on babbling.
Matthew 6;5-14 read these scriptures..then examine the catholic tradition/custom of the rosary..and
judge for yourself..if this is what Jesus commanded/meant prayer to be.
http://falsereligionstartedinbabylon.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/the-pagan-origin-of-rosary-beads/ (http://falsereligionstartedinbabylon.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/the-pagan-origin-of-rosary-beads/)
THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF ROSARY BEADS
PRAYER BEADS – OR – ROSARY BEADS
Rosary beads come in all shapes, colors, sizes and
quality. Some rosaries are strung with pearl, crystal,
wood and even plastic. But where did the ritual of
the rosary come from? And what, exactly, is the
significance of rosary beads?
The rosary in simplest terms is said to be a tool
used to aid prayer and meditation. The beads of a
rosary count the prayers as they are recited out loud
or in the mind. The user relies on the rosary beads
to keep track of how many times you've said a
particular prayer.
"Most commonly recognized in the United States
as a symbol of Catholicism, other religions including
Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism and Islam employ
rosary beads as well."
-The Meaning of Rosary Beads
What Do Rosary Beads Symbolize?
By Jessica Ciosek
"Prayer beads, or prayer rosaries, are really
another form of the "witch's ladder," a knotted
rope or cord used to count repetitions during
a spell or ritual. Praying with beads is a spiritual
practice with a long history in most of the world's
religions."
-Sacred Mists Shoppe
Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone
"prayer beads originated with the Hindu faith.
Using beads for devotions dates to the 8th century BC
in the cult of Shiva. In India sandstone sculptures,
statues ca 185 BC, show Hindus with prayer beads.
The names of Hindu gods and prayers are repeated
on stringed beads, called mala, separated by larger
or different colored beads."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Hindu converts kept their traditional use of
prayer beads. Buddhist monks always carry a strand
of prayer beads, or rosary, usually of 108 beads."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
Prayer beads are used by : Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims,
and Catholics among others.
"Often, when religions sought converts,
they allowed them to retain some of their
pagan ways: ceremonial garb, heathen rituals
and traditions; in order to add to their numbers.
This led to spiritual pollution."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Before the 12th century, rosaries were used for
talismans (amulet or occult charms). Rosaries and
prayer beads were intended by the catholic church
hierarchy, for use by the ignorant."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Pagans had used prayer beads even before the
8th century before CHRIST, and they still use
them today."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
The Bible warns us against use of prayer beads –
Matthew 6:7 says – "But when ye pray, use not vain
repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that
they shall be heard for their much speaking.
"And when you pray, do not...repeat the same
words over and over as the Gentiles (pagans) do,
for they think they will be heard for their much
speaking."
(Matthew 6:7)(AMP)-BibleGateway
"But when praying, do not say the same things
over and over again, just as the people of the
nations do, for they imagine they will get a
hearing for their use of many words."
(Matthew 6:7)(NWT)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: WhiteWings on September 09, 2014, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: sheila on September 08, 2014, 06:58:03 PM
the rosary..and praying the rosary is just custom and tradition,as far as I can see...and Just like in Jesus
day,when He told the church leaders they invalidate the commands of God through such. He said.....
Pray this way...Our Father who art in heaven....and to Not recite long prayers etc..or pray as the pagans do..
nor pray publicly..to be observed of men..or go on babbling.
Matthew 6;5-14 read these scriptures..then examine the catholic tradition/custom of the rosary..and
judge for yourself..if this is what Jesus commanded/meant prayer to be.
http://falsereligionstartedinbabylon.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/the-pagan-origin-of-rosary-beads/ (http://falsereligionstartedinbabylon.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/the-pagan-origin-of-rosary-beads/)
THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF ROSARY BEADS
PRAYER BEADS – OR – ROSARY BEADS
Rosary beads come in all shapes, colors, sizes and
quality. Some rosaries are strung with pearl, crystal,
wood and even plastic. But where did the ritual of
the rosary come from? And what, exactly, is the
significance of rosary beads?
The rosary in simplest terms is said to be a tool
used to aid prayer and meditation. The beads of a
rosary count the prayers as they are recited out loud
or in the mind. The user relies on the rosary beads
to keep track of how many times you've said a
particular prayer.
"Most commonly recognized in the United States
as a symbol of Catholicism, other religions including
Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism and Islam employ
rosary beads as well."
-The Meaning of Rosary Beads
What Do Rosary Beads Symbolize?
By Jessica Ciosek
"Prayer beads, or prayer rosaries, are really
another form of the "witch's ladder," a knotted
rope or cord used to count repetitions during
a spell or ritual. Praying with beads is a spiritual
practice with a long history in most of the world's
religions."
-Sacred Mists Shoppe
Janet Farrar & Gavin Bone
"prayer beads originated with the Hindu faith.
Using beads for devotions dates to the 8th century BC
in the cult of Shiva. In India sandstone sculptures,
statues ca 185 BC, show Hindus with prayer beads.
The names of Hindu gods and prayers are repeated
on stringed beads, called mala, separated by larger
or different colored beads."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Hindu converts kept their traditional use of
prayer beads. Buddhist monks always carry a strand
of prayer beads, or rosary, usually of 108 beads."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
Prayer beads are used by : Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims,
and Catholics among others.
"Often, when religions sought converts,
they allowed them to retain some of their
pagan ways: ceremonial garb, heathen rituals
and traditions; in order to add to their numbers.
This led to spiritual pollution."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Before the 12th century, rosaries were used for
talismans (amulet or occult charms). Rosaries and
prayer beads were intended by the catholic church
hierarchy, for use by the ignorant."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
"Pagans had used prayer beads even before the
8th century before CHRIST, and they still use
them today."
-A HISTORY OF PRAYING ON BEADS
Patricia A. Dilley
The Bible warns us against use of prayer beads –
Matthew 6:7 says – "But when ye pray, use not vain
repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that
they shall be heard for their much speaking.
"And when you pray, do not...repeat the same
words over and over as the Gentiles (pagans) do,
for they think they will be heard for their much
speaking."
(Matthew 6:7)(AMP)-BibleGateway
"But when praying, do not say the same things
over and over again, just as the people of the
nations do, for they imagine they will get a
hearing for their use of many words."
(Matthew 6:7)(NWT)
Yeah let's just say that I remember all of the rosary prayer because we chanted it so much in Junior High. That's actually all it was: A chant. Nothing about it screamed passion or love, but more "the school has us do it once a month". I've come to look at the rosary as offensive to God because he specifically tells us not to repeat the same thing over and over again, which is basically what we are doing. The prayer is easy to remember because there is only three different chants repeated over and over again.
QuoteYeah let's just say that I remember all of the rosary prayer because we chanted it so much in Junior High. That's actually all it was: A chant. Nothing about it screamed passion or love, but more "the school has us do it once a month". I've come to look at the rosary as offensive to God because he specifically tells us not to repeat the same thing over and over again, which is basically what we are doing. The prayer is easy to remember because there is only three different chants repeated over and over again.
:thumbsup:
learning to pray to God as the Holy Spirit gives utterances in prayer on our behalf
Romans 8
...25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.
26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness;
for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
27and
He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is,
because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. wonderful to know that our help is near [in our hearts !!] and not in some object to appear holy before men :sigh: I feel pity for them , that they do not know any better , but were taught that way