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Discussions Relating to Universal Reconciliation => Christian Life => Topic started by: Redlettervoice on February 21, 2008, 05:22:43 PM

Title: FEAR and FAITH............and making ONE!
Post by: Redlettervoice on February 21, 2008, 05:22:43 PM
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So when Jesus was raised from the dead, the diciples
met him with FEAR "and" Faith! He had to contine saying
FEAR NOT!

Ya know this song?

THE THRONE ROOM LOOKS THE SAME
As I ascend back from whence I came
And there's a "scepter" that was mine before I left there!
And as I sit with all the sages!
I was enthroned with, before the ages!
Most of all, MY Father out of whom I came!
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I think....? Charlotte Torango wrote that. Not sure.
Anyway, it's beautiful.
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One thing I noticed recently... "in the Bible"... when some people were studying on the "fear' aspect of the Lord.

You know where it says, "knowing the TERROR of the Lord? .......we therefore persuade all men"?, ....well, right underneath that scripture, about five verses down, there is that about "if any man be "IN" Christ, He is a NEW creature." and that about "love........constraining us
to know that if ONE died, then "all" were dead......." About henceforth not
knowing even CHRIST after the flesh, but after what?

There is a difference in having "Christ" IN you, and YOU being IN Christ.
And Christ is manifest not only "in" us, but Christ puts us IN HIMself! It is the work
of the Spirit.........The Father gives us to "HIM" and then HE brings us to the Father! It's what He does, He brings us "to"
the Father, for His Father is greater than He because He said then "I and my Father are ONE." I guess He became GREATER!

Having Christ IN YOU is our HOPE of GLORY! The Glory realized is the "ultimate" in God, the LOVE that passes
all understanding and casts out all fear!

So right after that talks about "the TERROR" of the Lord, then it starts talking about:
Tho we have "known" CHRIST "after the flesh" ........."henceforth, we know Him no more."

Do you see the progression of bringing us from fear to faith? , in relationship to the question about FEAR?

Where do you see the FEAR fitting here? Meaning by this
question, the TERROR mentioned in that chapter, "knowing
the TERROR of the Lord, we therefore persuade men?" then
it talking about the LOVE!?

The scriptures "do" speak of "and they shall fear you" "I will put the fear on them," etc. ...........in Deut. when the children of Israel had properly and
in their order "crossed" into that PLACE God had prepared for them.

But then it says, "FEAR NOT!"

There is NO fear in love,
is there?

Nor any accusations.

Nor any "outwardly seen" manifestations of such.

Isn't that why He said: "FEAR not?."
Does HIS LOVE therefore not persuade us to "trust HIM?"

There is NO fear IN HIM.

And PERFECT LOVE "casts out fear"........doesn't move
in the realm carrying "fear" ..........nor accusations.

Romans 13 is very very enlightening on this.
You can check it out.

I see everything from the category of the two realms mentioned in Hebrews 9 where it talks about the "two" veils.

If there is mention there of "behind the SECOND VEIL" then that means that there are two veils.

It is very important to know that even the "first" order
behind the "first" veil mentioned in Hebrews 9:1 is of
DIVINE SERVICE.

"Divine Service". Because it brings us "to" Christ!

Remember that David did not "cut off" the
skirt of Saul, He waited for GOD to do that!

Even what is behind
the "first" is a "divine" service..........

but it is "not" an ETERNAL service,

what is behind the SECOND one is ETERNAL.........

Things either fit in one or the other.

The FEAR of the Lord is "clean."  The FEAR of the Lord is to hate evil, etc.



Who is there that will HARM you, if ye
do that which is good?

But this is not just a "name it claim it wham it bam it" thing to be "behind the veil."
Not just forever a calling those things that are "not" as tho they are, tho that be an
attribute of God. God has actually invited us "behind the veil." Thru the BLOOD.


When that which is PERFECT has come, "then" that which is in part, shall be done away!

Jesus Christ stayed on the cross for us, nailing "to" the cross that which was "against" us and SOUGHT for us ANOTHER
COVENANT thru which we could be presented to HIM as spotless, for there is NO FAULT He will find in us thru the eyes
of the NEW Covenant.

Behind the veil , means being seen ONLY in the heavenly realm. ONLY "behind" the "veil" ........nothing ever is there to begin with but IN CHRIST.
All other things take place in the Christ "IN" you realm, which is the HOPE of such glory.

As we have borne the "image" of the earthly, so shall we bear the IMAGE of the
Heavenly where "All" things are of God! meaning He made all things
for HIS Glory! This IMAGE of the Second Man..........

This Heavenly Second MAN which is the MAN in HIS IMAGE is "not" but seen in the heavens. As Peter began to "appear" to Cornelius. His Second Man.
Before Cornelius went to tell him about it! ha Looks like Spirit was outrunning flesh. LIFE swallowing up death.
Faith overrunning FEAR!
LOVE never failing!
So when it says, "The earth shall be filled with the GLORY?" can you imagine the GLORY that Solomon was
arrayed with? in type?
Also, in the resurrection, we are told in 1st Cor 15 to PUT down all rule, all authority, etc. Many times we wish
"others": would put theirs down, but this word is "first" to us who hear it.

A LOVE too high, I can't encompass it.
A LOVE that "passes" understanding.

A thought too high, I can't attain.........

no matter how long we "talk" about it. . . it is God's GLORY and His to give.


Every man in His order, not in "his" order.

The Spirit Man is the New Creation. Not the first man.

We are to be "born again" are "are being" by
what? By the incorruptible Word. That is why hearing the Word is so imporant. A heart plowed is GOOD GROUND in which
He can sow His Word.

The New Man is NEW to "us", as we comprehend Him, tho God can and does see Him
all the "time."

"Time" is for "our human" "understanding"........while we have been lowered into "time," we shall not
always "be" in "time." For "time" shall be no more. When that which is perfect is come, "then" that which is done
in part, shall be done away, shadows flee away, so also does "time."

Our light afflictions which are "but for a moment" work for us a GREAT and Mighty
Weight of Glory! Selah.

The cross is not eternal, but the RESURRECTION from it is!

Our "understanding" of things in the "time"
realm will in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, be "changed" to the ORDER that is in the "heavenly" realm.
And the "heavenly" realm, will stand on the shores on the other side, and the "two" shall become ONE!

Like I said, too high, I can't attain it, but GOD can for it is His Promise.

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Title: Re: FEAR and FAITH............and making ONE!
Post by: whyiloveitaly.com on February 21, 2008, 06:42:46 PM
FineLinen:
What you wrote stirred up something beautiful in me that I don't have words for!!

Praise God our Great Creator!

I'm gonna re-read this one..

Brian
Title: Re: FEAR and FAITH............and making ONE!
Post by: Cardinal on February 21, 2008, 08:34:41 PM
 :cloud9: Good post RLV and AMEN....... :thumbsup: