I don't want to add confusion and more complexity :laughing7: yet again to this topic of creation. But I see there is a reference made that the world before Noah was deemed as the old world. So I ask what is old about it.
Now I notice in early Genesis that there are sons of God who were upon the Earth and interacted with mankind.
To cut a story short
Early man Adam to Noah = Hybrid type flesh. Best example = The resurrected Jesus. Jesus is shown as a spirit being passing through walls, yet has flesh and blood body marks, and says by His own mouth, believe or not, that a Spirit does not have bones like He has.
So with this in mind we have a group of early humanity who could, because of their higher attunment to the spirit were far more in contact with demons and angels. This allows people like Abraham to hear God and see God. This allows Adam to Hear to footsteps of God in the garden, This allows Lot to see angels in his house.
So if the sons of God are indeed sinful angels who kept not their first estate, then this could explain why they could interact with woman.
i.e the woman were flesh but attuned to the things of the spirit. A bit like a few rare cases today where woman are psychics etc, but in those days every person man and woman were closer to the Spirit worlds.
Now after the flood it could be that man became denser, especially after God cursed mankinds body, so that they are much more dense and their spirit is no longer having as much impact, thus they die quite young.
It could be why modern man mankind is very dense and do not regard God and gods as much as they use to especially around the industrial revolution. Yet at the same time because Jesus is returning, many people are becoming more spiritual and thus we have a democratic society and rights to the poor of the world etc , not to mention the explosion in spiritual interest in all topics, from demons to angels, to Jesus. So it could be we are becoming less dense again.
So it could be that the old world before the flood was like a golden age, Atlantis type society, where men used their god powers to heal etc.
But of course even though they might have been very advanced people, far more powerful than us, they did that which was evil and so God had to destroy them.
TT "Early man Adam to Noah = Hybrid type flesh. Best example = The resurrected Jesus. Jesus is shown as a spirit being passing through walls, yet has flesh and blood body marks, and says by His own mouth, believe or not, that a Spirit does not have bones like He has.
Where does it say this "passing through walls?" I believe it says they were in the room with the doors closed and he appeared in their midst.
John 20:19
(ASV) When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(CLV) It being, then, the evening of that day, one of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were gathered together, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and is saying to them, "Peace to you!"
(KJV) Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(WNT) On that same first day of the week, when it was evening and, for fear of the Jews, the doors of the house where the disciples were, were locked, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, "Peace be to you!"
(YLT) It being, therefore, evening, on that day, the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been shut where the disciples were assembled, through fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith to them, `Peace to you;'
I simply do not understand the ways of God. Ie. I AM, ye he also says I go away and send another the comforter.
Also says I will never leave you, will be with you allways.
It just occured to me that because the Jesus that appeared to the disciples, is His soul. But His presence is from His spirit.
But back to your question. I don't know for sure if Jesus just appeared or passed through the walls. But since he moved from one place to another I reason He must have passed through the walls, or He might have teleported. Hard to say.
But the point is that Jesus appearance was supernatural and powerful, yet still retaining flesh based Earthly qualities.
"It just occured to me that because the Jesus that appeared to the disciples, is His soul. But His presence is from His spirit." TT
Please, I dont get this?? his soul? from his spirit?????
"But back to your question. I don't know for sure if Jesus just appeared or passed through the walls. But since he moved from one place to another I reason He must have passed through the walls, or He might have teleported. Hard to say." TT
You dont know for sure IF Jesus just appeared for "passed through walls?"
It reads that He stood in the midst of them, thats for sure! GOD IS SPIRIT Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
This I fear is what man has not been allowed to understand,(yet) that is why you can use words like "teleported" to explain it in your head.
I have asked in a post some time ago "What is Spirit?" and at least in my thinking, all that was brought forth is all the stuff that has been hashed over and over in religion. This is where He is... Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
I know in aint hybrid flesh and spirit=less dense flesh.
No mistery at all; Jesus had a spare key :winkgrin:
Hi TT
Father prepared bodies for His spirit sons to dwell in. the disobediant angels took possesion of other peoples bodies[have not flesh andbone/alsofor this reason they will
not confess that Jesus Christ come in flesh is from God] 1 John 4;2]
now these disobediant spirits can and do man-i-pu[l]late these bodies; pull=to move or exert force on...ate...dust you shall eat all the days of your life
they can manipulate the pit-u-ar-y and cause gigantism......giants are such bodies of men manipulated in such a way[David and Goliath]
there is no law[natural] against Love[spirit] any laws are written for the lawless ones[of coars they do not obey]
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 15, 2011, 10:40:38 PM
"It just occured to me that because the Jesus that appeared to the disciples, is His soul. But His presence is from His spirit." TT
Please, I dont get this?? his soul? from his spirit?????
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Sure. What I mean is that Adam became a living soul. A living breathing creature. Now God's Son also became a living breathing creature a soul.
Now when Jesus died, he is now a dead soul in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. But His spirit keeps living and preaches to the spirit in prison and also meets the thief on the cross in paradise, and amongst many other things such as looking after His dad's mansion :cloud9: etc.
Now when He got resurrected with the exact same Body, He now becomes a living resurrected Soul and goes into Heaven. Jesus said to the accusers. You will see me at the right hand of the Father, coming in great power and glory.
You say religion teaches this stuff. How can religion teach this stuff, the mind of man cannot comprehend resurrection, it is something taught by the Spirit of God.
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"But back to your question. I don't know for sure if Jesus just appeared or passed through the walls. But since he moved from one place to another I reason He must have passed through the walls, or He might have teleported. Hard to say." TT
You dont know for sure IF Jesus just appeared for "passed through walls?"
It reads that He stood in the midst of them, thats for sure! GOD IS SPIRIT Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
This I fear is what man has not been allowed to understand,(yet) that is why you can use words like "teleported" to explain it in your head.
I have asked in a post some time ago "What is Spirit?" and at least in my thinking, all that was brought forth is all the stuff that has been hashed over and over in religion. This is where He is... Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
I know in aint hybrid flesh and spirit=less dense flesh.
I think teleport is a good example to use. Since earlier Jesus said he was going to the Father. Now if Jesus goes from His Fathers throne or His own throne and comes back instantly to the disciples, I see that as teleportation of some kind.
Worshiping Jesus or His Father in Spirit, while He is in the throne room is very biblical. Stephen sees Jesus in heaven while he is being stoned.
In order to clear things up I am not saying that Jesus is a being outside of ourselves. I am saying that believers invite Jesus into our being, in order to have communion with Him, and His resurrected Soul/body lives in Heaven.
Quote from: sheila on June 16, 2011, 12:10:24 AM
Hi TT
Father prepared bodies for His spirit sons to dwell in. the disobediant angels took possesion of other peoples bodies[have not flesh andbone/alsofor this reason they will
not confess that Jesus Christ come in flesh is from God] 1 John 4;2]
now these disobediant spirits can and do man-i-pu[l]late these bodies; pull=to move or exert force on...ate...dust you shall eat all the days of your life
they can manipulate the pit-u-ar-y and cause gigantism......giants are such bodies of men manipulated in such a way[David and Goliath]
there is no law[natural] against Love[spirit] any laws are written for the lawless ones[of coars they do not obey]
That's interesting. But would they not do that today also?
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:38:23 PM
No mistery at all; Jesus had a spare key :winkgrin:
TaTaTaBASCO! :laughing7:
Quote from: thinktank on June 16, 2011, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 15, 2011, 10:40:38 PM
"It just occured to me that because the Jesus that appeared to the disciples, is His soul. But His presence is from His spirit." TT
Please, I dont get this?? his soul? from his spirit?????
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Sure. What I mean is that Adam became a living soul. A living breathing creature. Now God's Son also became a living breathing creature a soul.
Now when Jesus died, he is now a dead soul in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. But His spirit keeps living and preaches to the spirit in prison and also meets the thief on the cross in paradise, and amongst many other things such as looking after His dad's mansion :cloud9: etc.
Now when He got resurrected with the exact same Body, He now becomes a living resurrected Soul and goes into Heaven. Jesus said to the accusers. You will see me at the right hand of the Father, coming in great power and glory.
You say religion teaches this stuff. How can religion teach this stuff, the mind of man cannot comprehend resurrection, it is something taught by the Spirit of God.
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"But back to your question. I don't know for sure if Jesus just appeared or passed through the walls. But since he moved from one place to another I reason He must have passed through the walls, or He might have teleported. Hard to say." TT
You dont know for sure IF Jesus just appeared for "passed through walls?"
It reads that He stood in the midst of them, thats for sure! GOD IS SPIRIT Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
This I fear is what man has not been allowed to understand,(yet) that is why you can use words like "teleported" to explain it in your head.
I have asked in a post some time ago "What is Spirit?" and at least in my thinking, all that was brought forth is all the stuff that has been hashed over and over in religion. This is where He is... Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
I know in aint hybrid flesh and spirit=less dense flesh.
I think teleport is a good example to use. Since earlier Jesus said he was going to the Father. Now if Jesus goes from His Fathers throne or His own throne and comes back instantly to the disciples, I see that as teleportation of some kind.
Worshiping Jesus or His Father in Spirit, while He is in the throne room is very biblical. Stephen sees Jesus in heaven while he is being stoned.
In order to clear things up I am not saying that Jesus is a being outside of ourselves. I am saying that believers invite Jesus into our being, in order to have communion with Him, and His resurrected Soul/body lives in Heaven.
TT Ill cope to this..."It just occured to me that because the Jesus that appeared to the disciples, is His soul. But His presence is from His spirit." TT Quote
Please, I dont get this?? his soul? from his spirit?????
"But back to your question. I don't know for sure if Jesus just appeared or passed through the walls. But since he moved from one place to another I reason He must have passed through the walls, or He might have teleported. Hard to say." TT Quote
You dont know for sure IF Jesus just appeared for "passed through walls?"
It reads that He stood in the midst of them, thats for sure! GOD IS SPIRIT Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
This I fear is what man has not been allowed to understand,(yet) that is why you can use words like "teleported" to explain it in your head.
I have asked in a post some time ago "What is Spirit?" and at least in my thinking, all that was brought forth is all the stuff that has been hashed over and over in religion. This is where He is... Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."
I know in aint hybrid flesh and spirit=less dense flesh.
But not that other stuff! Also where in the Bible does it read that Jesus was in the "grave for 3 days and three nights?' also aw Ill just leave it there.
And like I said I never watched much of startrek and dont really like scifi, so it you want to use words like "teleport" ok. As I stated or as the Bible reads, "God Is Spirit" If teleport is how you see it and understand it, good! Be happy.
Quote from: sheila on June 16, 2011, 12:10:24 AM
Hi TT
Father prepared bodies for His spirit sons to dwell in. the disobediant angels took possesion of other peoples bodies[have not flesh andbone/alsofor this reason they will
not confess that Jesus Christ come in flesh is from God] 1 John 4;2]
now these disobediant spirits can and do man-i-pu[l]late these bodies; pull=to move or exert force on...ate...dust you shall eat all the days of your life
they can manipulate the pit-u-ar-y and cause gigantism......giants are such bodies of men manipulated in such a way[David and Goliath]
there is no law[natural] against Love[spirit] any laws are written for the lawless ones[of coars they do not obey]
Please explain what you said. I dont see/find what you say.
I understand it in another way. The reason "spirits" (ghosts) can pass through walls is because they are more dense than the soon-to-pass bricks. "God is spirit." The entrance of His word separated soul and spirit. We are born again by the Spirit. Union with His spirit in our body together with us raised our spirit, making it alive and seating it in the heavenlies (celestials.) Physical walls are insubstantial to spirit substance (for Greek: "soma?" usually translated "body.") There are also degrees of manifestation.
Something permanent can be the most delicate.
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Spirits have sex with humans, male or female. They have been called incubus: "A spirit that has sex with women," and succubus: "a spirit that has sex with a man." This is more common today than most people are aware. However, I think we are dealing with something else in the Genesis account of "sons of God" who took the daughters of men.
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You wouldn't have to know Greek or Hebrew very much to correct or praise what I am writing here; that, whether we are to understand adam as referring to the race or that particular first human is determined by the presence of an article or not. In Greek if there is an article before "son" it refers to the the historical Jesus. If there is no article ("anarthous) it is more generic, meaning "son-wise," or, "concerning son-ship."
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 01:23:55 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:38:23 PM
No mistery at all; Jesus had a spare key :winkgrin:
TaTaTaBASCO! :laughing7:
LOL
You're supposed to be salt, ww. Is Tabasco a type of salt? :happygrin:
Quote from: Molly on June 16, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 01:23:55 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:38:23 PM
No mistery at all; Jesus had a spare key :winkgrin:
TaTaTaBASCO! :laughing7:
LOL
You're supposed to be salt, ww.
I'm the salt in everybodies eyes here :laughing7:
QuoteIs Tabasco a type of salt? :happygrin:
Micah is the spice (girls :winkgrin:) expert.
I would say tabasco is a mixture of blood and brimstone.
Bit more on topic.
Dense objects can pass through dense walls in the proper dimension....
We think is 4D but there are more dimentions.
God is omnipresent. It simply means He's inside and outside that room at the same time.
Assuming Jesus also is omnipresent ??? He just was there but just had to appear. TT: that's materialize in Trekkie speak :winkgrin:
Or perhaps more biblical He changed his linen garment for a wool garment....
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 16, 2011, 03:39:23 PM
Quote from: Molly on June 16, 2011, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: micah7:9 on June 16, 2011, 01:23:55 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 15, 2011, 11:38:23 PM
No mistery at all; Jesus had a spare key :winkgrin:
TaTaTaBASCO! :laughing7:
LOL
You're supposed to be salt, ww.
I'm the salt in everybodies eyes here :laughing7:
QuoteIs Tabasco a type of salt? :happygrin:
Micah is the spice (girls :winkgrin:) expert.
I would say tabasco is a mixture of blood and brimstone.
Bit more on topic.
Dense objects can pass through dense walls in the proper dimension....
We think is 4D but there are more dimentions.
God is omnipresent. It simply means He's inside and outside that room at the same time.
Assuming Jesus also is omnipresent ??? He just was there but just had to appear. TT: that's materialize in Trekkie speak :winkgrin:
Or perhaps more biblical He changed his linen garment for a wool garment....
It is a pleasure to be in the same boat with you this time WW! Right ON :grin: But I dont assume nothing about Jesus.
TT
rel 'that;s interesting,but would they not do that today,too?'
yes, and you will recognize which family tree [hybrid] it is of by it's fruit[offspring]
:cloud9: I don't know why it should surprise anyone that a fallen angel can have form and be capable of physical interaction, but many don't think so, I've found.
From what I've seen/experienced: their bodies are capable of changing forms, ie. from a cloud like form to a humanoid type form. Their bodies can physically hold a wrist, move an object, and feel like "threads" of fine cotton strands "breaking" when your leg passes thru one. They have a form, but appear to have no bones, sort of like a "Gumby" smoothness to their form, but with the scales of a snake for "skin".
And I know from stories of other women (some I know personally), that they are capable of raping women.
So they have a "flesh", but it is at once more dense in terms of strength, yet at the same time less dense in terms of cohesiveness. There is flesh terrestrial, and flesh celestial. We are blissfully unaware of the latter unless He deems it necessary for our education, and I can tell you it is a "class" you want to graduate from quickly. :mshock: :winkgrin: My :2c:
Is it possible then that early man had what you term celestial flesh?
But I think you are saying that man has not changed its flesh/spots
But from my view could it be that early man had celestial flesh, thus making it more likely for the things that happened during tower of babylon time period?
:cloud9: I think man did until the "fall". Transfigured = changed from something TO something. I believe we are entering back into what was lost in the garden. I think that as sin abounded, their lifespans were shortened accordingly, until it was not even remotely possible to come close to living a perfect 1000 year day. Christ IS that day, no part darkness. With that progression, I believe things got "denser" as the veil got "thicker". My :2c: