What would you guys do if the Bible did really contain the concept of ET?

[jabcat]

Take care of that medical issue.  I know it's a real aggravation.  I'll remember to pray for you.  James.

[jabcat]

The Bible isn't what's adulterated anyone's relationship with Lord Jesus and our heavenly Father.  It's been the traditions of men that have made the Word of God of none effect, going so far as to even mess with printings of the Bible.  But the Bible isn't difficult to translate in any important doctrinal matter.  It has some enigmatic passages.  No one here disputes that, though they might word it differently.  But over 90% of the doctrines of any Church aren't based upon the riddles in the Bible.  It's all of the nonsense about Christ having come to seek and to save the lost, but those that are lost in the fullest sense of the word will never be saved. It's all of this crap about Him being there for people every time but the last time, or in the end He's only as faithful as you were that has people on medication or becoming deists, agnostics, and atheists.  It's not the riddles in the Bible that have people questioning His Lordship, where we're heading, why there's suffering in the world, etc. It's all of the confusion in Churches that our free will was given to us to eternally damn our souls rather than as a tool for our instruction, for our relating to one another, and for our learning what not to do.  That's the traditions of men rather than the Scriptures.  The Scriptures teach us as we're able to bare it.  They take us as far as we're ready to go and no further.  The Scriptures are complete when it comes to what God has provided for making us wise unto salvation through Jesus Christ.  It's not a matter of trying the Scriptures and finding them in error, it's a matter of the Scriptures trying us and finding us in error.  It's not that the Book doesn't work, it's that so often we don't.  I don't mean that as an attack.  Jesus Himself sticks by the Book.  He didn't launch His attack against the devil with His baptism with the Holy Spirit, with His sinless life, or with His preexistence or whatever.  "It is written" got Him through then just the same as it'll get us through today.  Otherwise, life 7 sons of sceva's us!

Excellent.  :thumbsup:  The "free" will point is interesting.  I believe in more of a limited "free" will, but I appreciate your thoughts on this...more a matter of our growth/maturity...part of the ability to choose within the scope God does give us.  God's blessing, James. 

To answer the OP question...I'd believe scripture, as the Spirit and the Word agree.  Thankfully! I see UR all through the scriptures. :bowing:.

[DeeDee]

Hi all  :girlheart:

You know I am starting to see more and more of the Bible supporting UR 2. I am not that into it yet tho.

A thought that still scares me immensely tho is this. Bare with me pls. All sins will be forgiven men except one - according to the bible. We all know what that sin is since it it mentioned in three Gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke) - okay now I fully understand the concept of "this age or the next", but 2 of the 3 passages just end with something like "not be forgiven" fullstop - no reference to when or where or ages or anything (one or two of them not sure now). Okay now the thoughts I keep having about that is, what is the chances that Jesus was talking that everyone in the world will be saved - all sins shall be forgiven but one - EXCEPT the blasphemy of the H.S - What if blasphemy is exactly what it says it is - tongue sins and not rejection (like some people believe it is).

Is it possible that Christ did die for all the sins of the whole world except one. That everyone will eventually be saved after repentance and/or cleansing in the "next life" - except those that did the one thing that he warned not to do. That is a bible passage that makes for many debates between ET supporters and UR believers. Could both in a sense be right? Could the "unforgivable" sinners just possibly die never to be reconciled? Or could they be the only ones destined for ET?.......

Please be honest in your opinions and answers - remember its just a concern of mine and I am really not meaning to push anyones buttons with this.

Much Much love in Christ
Dee

[WhiteWings]

DD,

Luke 12:10 PNT1745  And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that to come,

The above is from the only translation I have that that adds "age" to the end of the verse.
The Ethiopic version also adds at the close of this verse, as in Matthew, "neither in this world, nor in that which is to come".

Mark 3:29 Rotherham  But, whosoever shall revile against the Holy Spirit, hath no forgiveness, unto times age-abiding,—but is guilty of an age-abiding sin:

Matthew 12:32 Rotherham  And, whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him,—but, whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or the coming.

But I do see your point.
If the verses contradict you found a major mistake in the Bible!
The contradiction would not only be between the mentioned verses but between many verses.
All I can think of right now is that Luke was speaking about the present....?
Looking forward for input from those who have found more info on this!

[WhiteWings]

 (iii) It tells us of the unforgivable sin, which is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Both Matthew and Mark record that Jesus spoke about this sin immediately after the scribes and Pharisees had attributed his cures to the prince of devils instead of to God (Matt 12:31-32; Mk 3:28-29). These men could look at the very grace and power of God and call it the work of the devil. To understand this we must remember that Jesus was talking about the Holy Spirit as the Jews understood that conception, not in the full Christian sense, about which his audience at that time obviously knew nothing.

     To a Jew, God's Spirit had two great functions. Through the Spirit he told his truth to men, and it was by the action of the Spirit in a man's mind and heart that he could recognize and grasp God's truth. Now, if a man for long enough refuses to use a faculty he will lose it. If we refuse to use any part of the body long enough it atrophies. Darwin tells how when he was a young man he loved poetry and music; but he so devoted himself to biology that he completely neglected them. The consequence was that in later life poetry meant nothing to him and music was only a noise, and he said that if he had his life to live over again he would see to it that he would read poetry and listen to music so that he would not lose the faculty of enjoying them.

Just so we can lose the faculty of recognizing God. By repeatedly refusing God's word, by repeatedly taking our own way, by repeatedly shutting our eyes to God and closing our ears to him, we can come to a stage when we do not recognize him when we see him, when to us evil becomes good and good becomes evil. That is what happened to the scribes and Pharisees. They had so blinded and deafened themselves to God that when he came they called him the devil.

     Why is that the unforgivable sin? Because in such a state repentance is impossible. If a man does not even realize that he is sinning, if goodness no longer makes any appeal to him, he cannot repent. God has not shut him out; by his repeated refusals he has shut himself out. That means that the one man who can never have committed the unforgivable sin is the man who fears that he has, for once a man has committed it, he is so dead to God that he is conscious of no sin at all.
     (iv) It tells us of the rewarded loyalty. The reward of loyalty is no material thing. It is that in heaven Jesus will say of us, "This was my man. Well done!"

     (v) It tells us of the help of the Holy Spirit. In the fourth Gospel the favourite title of the Holy Spirit is the Paraclete. Parakletos (<G3875>) means someone who stands by to help. It can be used of a witness, or an advocate to plead our cause. In the day of trouble there need be no fear, for no less a person than the Holy Spirit of God stands by to help


24 sn Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit probably refers to a total rejection of the testimony that the Spirit gives to Jesus and the plan of God. This is not so much a sin of the moment as of one's entire life, an obstinate rejection of God's message and  testimony. Cf.

But unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (tōi de eis to hagion pneuma blasphēmēsanti). This unpardonable sin is given by Mar_3:28.; Mat_12:31. immediately after the charge that Jesus was in league with Beelzebub. Luke here separates it from the same charge made in Judea (Luk_11:15-20). As frequently said, there is no sound reason for saying that Jesus only spoke his memorable sayings once. Luke apparently finds a different environment here. Note the use of eis here in the sense of "against."


Not a full answer to your question/fear; but I think especially the blue text should give you a good night sleep.
Basicly is says: Who worries most of the unforgiveble sin is the one who needs to worry least.

[DeeDee]

Thanks WhiteWings

Does anyone else have any views on this? Is it a possibility?

[Sarah]

I was thinking about you today DeeDee and I actually became angry. I became angry because I know the goodness of Him. I know that when He died so that the world may have relationship, He did exactly that. You are reconciled to Him DeeDee. You are not so special that you have committed a crime in which His hand is no longer extended. You are not a special brand of evil. When you accept that, perhaps He will enlighten you to the full meaning of what the 'unpardonable' sin was or is. You will not be able to understand what you are seeking unless you first accept that His Love for you is unconditional.

Love, Sarah

[DeeDee]

Thanks so much Sarah. I even have tears in my eyes now.
You know I really hate my "paranoia" in this instance and it tears me up inside, It's born out of the fact that I don't ever want to be separated from Him (then again who does, that is the most awful unimaginable thing in this universe) Feels like a total nightmare sometimes when I think that there is one sin in this world that is deemed unforgivable whereas before I read of it I thought all was forgiven automatically when you repent and feel very very sorry. I know how much He loves all His children and I would never ever want to intentionally hurt Him.

That one sin in my eyes is many different things that all boil down to the same thing i.e its in a sense all the definitions that people have given it, because to me all make sense (the definitions) and all can be seen as the right definition. I know what I have done. Thats not the problem. The only issue I am still dealing with the the unforgivable part, but it's getting better every single day. Each day I feel a little less unforgivable and each day I learn to love all on this forum more and more. That can only be from one source, and that source I believe is Him.

Thanks again for all your support Sarah, you have such a good heart and your words really touch me deeply.

Blessings
Dee

[DeeDee]

Is it possible that Christ did die for all the sins of the whole world except one. That everyone will eventually be saved after repentance and/or cleansing in the "next life" - except those that did the one thing that he warned not to do. That is a bible passage that makes for many debates between ET supporters and UR believers. Could both in a sense be right? Could the "unforgivable" sinners just possibly die never to be reconciled? Or could they be the only ones destined for ET?.......

I am quoting myself above. If you look further up this thread you can read my theory. Its not so much about me as it is about wondering if this theory could hold any truth. Its an interesting topic to me. I would love some more educated theories and answers to this.

Blessings
Dee