I tried to post this topic earlier- but I don't think it "went through". I am wondering about others views on the climate change debate and how you all think this relates (if at all) to end time prophecies and/or the beginning of a new age.
Bethany
Global warming is just another scare tactic that people use to force some kinda change on us...or dependency ie "the government will solve it for you"
one must really get alarmed when politicians who are dunces when it comes to science (Al Gore), start promoting such nonsense
the fact is that "gobal warming" is not a new phenomena...the earth has gone through many more extreme cycles of climate change before than we are experiencing now...for the sun's rays are not always the same strength and further, the poles have shifted before on earth increasing or decreasing the angle at which the sunrays strike the earth, and therefore we've had ice ages and other extreme periods on earth
go and research the "other side of the story"...there are numerous scientists that dismiss this global warming myth as it is portrayed today...by the way...what happened to the other "alarming fact"...the hole in the ozone layer? has that just now "closed up by itself"?
furthermore, the USA and Russia possess weapons that can alter weather patterns...HAARP and Scalar weaponry respectively...I would not put it past Bush to not only make war on the people of the world, but also on the world itself
do not fall for the Zionist trap to force the end times to come...by whatever means possible
As far as the ozone layer and global warming, I agree with noname.
Ozone is O3 and is achieved by bombarding O2 with ultraviolet light. One O2 becomes O + O and is joined to two other O2 atoms.
In summer (northern hemisphere), the sun never sets and thus the O2 is bombarded 24/7 for six months hence the hole closes. In the same time in the south pole, there is no sun thus the hole increases in size. The globe wobbles and the process goes on as it has always done. Sure greenhouse gases may cause problems but like God did not know what He was doing :Yeahright:
The planet heals itself and guess what? The holes have always been there. Ever wondered why the planes fly at 39000 feet? That is where the Ozone is.
A good saying, "If you worry you die, if you do not worry, you still die, so why worry"
Fear is mind control nothing else.
Blessings
I always look for the middle road on such things. I agree that the politicians and the media use such issues as a fear tactic- but that does not mean that there is no truth to any of it. What happens is that those with a fear agenda take some truth and bend it to attempt to achieve their own end. What if Al Gore is a modern day prophet or- what if he is a modern day AntiChrist. Either way there is some truth (that may or may not be packaged with many layers of lies) in the message. We can either respond with fear- which can be a healthy ingredient to change (at times) or we can sit back and heckle the messenger OR we can look for the seed of truth and seek God's counsel in what that is and what action to take, if any. That is what Noah did and what we as Christian's may very well benefit from doing. Avoid extreme views for both are marred. One represents complete optimism- which is devoid of hope through the mechanism of denial, which leads to no action. The other represents pessimism which is also devoid of hope through the mechanism of unrefined fear and suspicion, which leads to faulty action (individualistic tactics of survival). Hope represents truth seeking and contains a healthy mixture of optimism and pessimism, which invariably leads to action of the right sort. Change is not a bad thing- it is the only constant.
Bethany
When hearing these things preached by global alarmists such as Al Gore and others have preached and promoted, I agree we need to look at all sides of this to gain a balanced view of the truth, in any case fear is the tool that is used by those that preach end time doom and gloom with a sprinkling of guilt added to the receipe.
As far as solar, wind and water generated power, those things were interesting to me long before any of this global warming was being preached, to harness the benifits of these abundant natural power sources would be good, to have these things developed for use on a practical basis, however the use of crude oil refined into bunker oil, diesel fuel,kerosene, gasoline and right on up into paint thinners, solvents and ethers is not the bad thing global alarmists make it out to be.
So the global warming alarmists say carbon dioxide is the cause of a green house effect, say what? natural occuring methane gases can do the same if not more so, all plant life from trees right down through to grasses need carbon dioxide to live, these plants then return oxygen back into the air in exchange for the carbon dioxide the plants consume, while methane is product of dead plant decomposition, such as methane detected in a grass composter. Man, animals, birds, fish and insects need oxygen to breathe inhale and carbon dioxide is product of breath exhaled while methane becomes product of our toilet waste. when wieghing that out it appears to me that methane has possibility of being processed into fuel,. With the Powers of greed that are in place in the systems of this world we have to search out both sides and all sides of the evidence, while at the same time the news media and propaganda monster at work in the world are going to do all that is possible to silence all those who come foward with evidence of more balanced findings that oppose if only in part the status que in power.
It is hard to dismiss the potential power of methane when it is known that sudden methane gas explosions occur frequently near the edges of active volcanic lava flows.
Peace,
Fire Walker
Hey Firewalker,
Methane IS being used as an energy source. I personally know a feedlot owner in the Mid-west that is using cattle manure to power his entire facility. Methane is also being harnessed from landfills on the East Coast. So you are very correct- it is a great fuel source and we are just beginning to tap inot the possibilities.
And yes, I agree that there is a whole lot of propaganda involved and it is all about money and power. Never-the-less, change is rapidly on its way and I would rather be ready for it by staying current on the things you have mentioned than getting left in the dark (no pun intended).
Bethany
QuoteGlobal warming is just another scare tactic that people use to force some kinda change on us...or dependency ie "the government will solve it for you"
:thumbsup:
The motivation is that they want the ability to have a "World wide" tax placed on us.
Very soon, America will no longer be a power on its own, the plan is that we all come under a world wide control :mshock:
This is only one piece of the puzzle :sigh:
Do I think it is endtime related? IMO..No, I think it is all, we reap what we sow. There are greedy greedy people out there with an agenda....
Regarding the ozone layer, I visited a site with a place for dispelling the myths. It was quite interesting. First it placed the reason for depletion on cfc's and the like, man-made. It stated that though these are heavier than air, winds will sweep them into the stratosphere. OK, I buy that. But the second point, volcanos do not deplete the ozone,well, let's look at that: " Though volcanos do spew hydrogen chloride into the atmosphere, they are too weak to throw it high enough to do any damage". Hmm, so my spray can at near sea level will get up there, but volcanos throwing the stuff up to tens of thousands of feet can't? The conclusion, human CFC's are the problem.
Of course, I have also seen real evidence that the total amount of man-made ozone depleting materials, as a percentage of all ozone depletion sources, including natural chlorine from the oceans, amounted to 00.005% of the total. I gotta say, if a change of that amount has tipped the scales so severely, the earth is on a very precarious equilibrium. Seems like one year of bad storms or volcanic activity would spell doom and gloom for the planet.
One last thing, maybe someone here knows the answer....if UV is what creates ozone, and depleting the ozone results in more UV reaching the earth, why doesn't all that extra UV just replenish the ozone? The UV is passing right through the O2 up there and doing nothing?
You not supposed to ask such questions :mshock:
Yup, seem like some folk do not think further than their noses.
BIC
This is what I suspect- that the climate IS changing- but that it is NOT a result of man's activity. The agenda then would go something like this- "if we can convince the masses that climate change is their fault then we can gain control over them through fear to create a new world economy". This wouldn't work if the climate change issue did not hold some truth- the lie comes in when they blame us (the little people) to create mass change. I myself like the idea of sustainable living though- so i'll take part in some of their agenda because being self sustained suits me just fine.
Bethany
Sounds like you have the idea. By turning a natural phenomenon into "it's all our fault" the government can enact all sorts of legislation to "fix" the problem. Not a thing wrong with trying to live "earth friendly", but forced compliance based on questionable science is a bit much.