I just thought I would share this video which I saw. Its about someone who went from being a big time mainstream preacher to being a Universalist .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlYtlsduMUM&feature=related
I love Carlton and all those brave souls like him! Thanks, FullArmor! :thumbsup: :HeartThrob:
Thank you for putting this up. What a brave man. If I'm a heretic at least I'm in good company with folks like him
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:cloud9: Amen...... :thumbsup:
if anyone hasnt read his book "the gospel of inclusion", you really need to. I bought it thinking it was strictly about christian universalism but perhaps even more so, its about breaking out of fundamentalism and its just a really honest book from a preacher that was at the top of all that. Very insightful
"All will come to the knowledge of the truth, each in their own era."
peacemaker
I love his testimony. He's such a dear soul and a man of courage.
Might have to get a copy of his book - I have not read it.
Anne
Quote from: NinjaWizards777 on November 27, 2009, 10:56:45 PM
if anyone hasnt read his book "the gospel of inclusion", you really need to. I bought it thinking it was strictly about christian universalism but perhaps even more so, its about breaking out of fundamentalism and its just a really honest book from a preacher that was at the top of all that. Very insightful
kudos to that. i have a copy and it's one of my favorite books that i own.
I enjoyed this: http://www.newdimensions.us/downloads/Excerpt-A%20New%20Second%20Coming-%20Pt.%201.mp3
"Freedom from external control and the bondage of fear."
Yes, that was a great excerpt from Carlton. I liked where he said "like yourself first, and don't be affected (or fearful) by the negative reaction of people to you".
I just watched another one called "The inclusion conclusion". Where Carlton is on the Lexi religious talk show surrounded by former admirers of him . This was soo strange! To see a bunch of folks who think Carlton is being led astray by demons or something. And there reaction to Carlton. And you can really see a nice contrast here. Between the religious spirit on those, who I'm sure are very nice and sincere people, surrounding Carlton. And the spirit that Carlton is showing. You can just see the Spirit of Christ of love, for the World, in Carlton's defense of himself and the Gospel. Here it is for anyone interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ugMv1PzcqY&feature=related
Quote from: fullarmor2 on November 28, 2009, 06:04:16 PM
Yes, that was a great excerpt from Carlton. I liked where he said "like yourself first, and don't be affected (or fearful) by the negative reaction of people to you".
Like what you said here fullarmor ,
made me think of something some one said years ago
to love your neighbour as yourself , meant the new spiritual man inside you , I never forgot that
because of guilt many cannot forgive themselves after knowing Jesus loves you so much and you are forgiven of much by the Lord you must overcome that guilt and shame , so you also love much at that point of forgiveness , because you have been forgiven so much .
and are than able to forgive others in the same way Christ does ,,
Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto you , Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loves little.
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:cloud9: I can see why you remembered that one Rose, that's a keeper..... :thumbsup: Blessings....
Quote from: rosered on November 28, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
you must overcome that guilt and shame , so you also love
I think your saying that we need to learn to see ourselves the way that Jesus sees us. How can we be Christlike ourselves without doing that? Its just that it can very difficult, because we have Jesus telling us one thing, and the World telling us something completely different about our selves. So no wonder that it is so important for us to keep our eyes on Jesus. And thankfully the Spirit of our Father is with us to enable us to do all these things. It really is the Spirit's work in us. I like that soo much better than what religion says!
Quote from: fullarmor2 on November 28, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: rosered on November 28, 2009, 06:30:09 PM
you must overcome that guilt and shame , so you also love
I think your saying that we need to learn to see ourselves the way that Jesus sees us. How can we be Christlike ourselves without doing that? Its just that it can very difficult, because we have Jesus telling us one thing, and the World telling us something completely different about our selves. So no wonder that it is so important for us to keep our eyes on Jesus. And thankfully the Spirit of our Father is with us to enable us to do all these things. It really is the Spirit's work in us. I like that soo much better than what religion says!
Yes fullarmour , a new creature in Christ is clean , fresh and able as Christ /God and Holy Spirit is within us .. VERY POWERFUL indeed ..
you are Clean though the Word spoken to you .. not written and said by others but Him
what did Jesus say to them /us
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every [branch] that bears fruit,
he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Jhn 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you , except you abide in me.
we cling to Jesus / Life because of Him/ His Life/ Spirit in us .......He is our new life we are so hid in Christ , so others
Do see Christ see no more the old man of flesh .
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Did any of y'all see Carlton Pearson debating Mark Driscoll on Nightline?
Yes. I liked how at the end Carlton tried to bring everyone together. He really knocked it outa the park when he did that at the end.