aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...

[Wakawakawaka]

well last thing that bothers me is that this guy said he said matt 24:36 is mistranslated and it should read not yet one instead of no one knows the hour..its on page 33 of his book, and even if it does,does it still mean you could figure out when Jesus returns

[happycheeks]

there is this fellow whom claimed that Matthew 10 26 and John 16 13-15 can tell us when Jesus is going to return! Is he wrong here is his book http://www.themysteryunlocked.com/ebooks/the_mystery_unlocked.pdf  and please take a look on page 33 where he says the line about no one being able to predict the return of Jesus is mistranslated! he says the rapture is going to be on july 25

I wouldn't worry. People have been predicting Jesus's return for ages.  I hear people say Jesus is coming soon. But it never happens. Christians take the bible too seriously. It's not meant to be taken seriously. Remember when that man predicted the rapture will happen on 21st may and he got it wrong. Before when I was a serious christian, when someone told me Jesus is coming. I would get panicky and I would try to ignore it and put it to the back of my mind. It's just to scare people.

[WhiteWings]

well last thing that bothers me is that this guy said he said matt 24:36 is mistranslated and it should read not yet one instead of no one knows the hour..its on page 33 of his book, and even if it does,does it still mean you could figure out when Jesus returns

(Matt 24:36) But about that day and hour no man knows, not even the agents of the heavens, except my Father only.

Waka that "wedding talk".
When a boy (Jesus) liked a girl (bride/Church) he went to the father (God) to agree upon a price (His blood/death. Paid in full). To seal the deal the couple drank wine and dipped some bread (Last Supper) Then the betrotal/engagement period started. Usually that period lasted 1 to 2 years. In that time the boy started preparing a bridal chamber where the boy and girl would consume marriage.
The father had to approve the chamber. During that 1-2 year the boy was often teased a bit? He, when are you finally get married. The boy would answer "only my father knows".
That's what Jesus was refering too.
(John 14:2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

So Jesus said: "I have no clue when I'll return because My Father decides when my bridal chamber is good enough."

So there are some/many hints in the Bible to calculate dates. I did so myself. I 've spend many many hours on it.
I'll give a few very simple example to show the problems involved with calculating.
The betrothel period lasted 1-2 years. Let's say 2 years. 2 years represents 2000 year. So Jesus returns 2000 years after Last Supper. In what year was that Last Supper? I've seen dtaes from 29-37AD.
Use Daniel to calculate? Again disagreement when the prophecy was made.
Mankind is given dominium over earth for 6000 year. That easy just add 6000 years to teh date Adam was kicked out of Eden and you know when Jesus returns. Unfortunately nobody seems to know when Adam left the Garden.

So Jesus gave a hint relating to marriage. Also wrapped in that hint is a certain festival of the year. See a few posts above.
The date that guy sets seems so extremely unreal to me. The Bible is almost from cover to cover based on all sorts of feasts. Half of them pointed to Jesus 2000 years ago. The other half obviously also point to Jesus.
To my best knowledge there aren't any feasts on teh date that guy mentions. Jesus won't return before 1 Tishrei (that's usually somwhere inSeptember)

[Wakawakawaka]

even better- take a look at this http://raptureintheairnow.com/supernatural-visits-to-heaven-amp-hell/another-confirmation-of-the-soon-rapture

[Wakawakawaka]

can anyone take a look at ronald pasey s NDE what does he say about what he saw

[WhiteWings]

In that case my guess would be 16 September or 25 September 2012.

But what if I told you I died 7 times last year. God told rapture takes place 11 September 2026 at 7:77 PM
Would you believe me? Better not because it's 100% lies.
My point is how can you/we know that guy went to heaven?
It's simply totally impossible to prove a person didn't have a vision.
Until.... the predicted date passes without anything happening.

[Wakawakawaka]

well i dont know why but i get really upset at this rapture stuff...

[lomarah]

Probably because of all the "rapture" ridiculousness that the 'Left Behind' series created. I'm telling you waka, it is NOT something to worry about. Just get to know the Lord who loves you. Don't waste time and energy on this stuff. There's much better things to do with your time! :)

[Wakawakawaka]

well id just they stop with all this nonsense.....

[WhiteWings]

Waka, I hope you keep posting here. If you get raptured the 24th  :mthumbsup:
But what if nothing happens on that date? What's you next move? Sit back, relax and enjoy life or search for a site that claims another date?

well id just they stop with all this nonsense.....

We both know that won't happen.
So you will have to avoid such sites. Which will be very hard because quite often when googling something you will end on such a site.

[lomarah]

Do you think waka has googlitis too? Haha

For reals waka, he's right, just stop going on those sites. Stick around tent awhile. :)

[dajomaco]

These bodies that came up out of the ground and the tombs were broken.
The bodies were they flesh or were they the resurrected bodies (eternal)?
The bible says many were raised is there a estimate?
Were there thousands hundred of thousand.
These resurrected souls went through out the city seen by many.
Did they float around or did they walk and talk as Jesus did in his resurrected body.

[Wakawakawaka]

thanks for yer suppot everbody but just one more thing- the rapture site ive shown u said theygot 2 different people with dreams about rapture during fireworks are there people whom got these type of dreams before.. tried to set a date and failed  :ty:  and yes i do infact have googlelitis http://raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/a-possibility-of-the-independence-day

[WhiteWings]

Two people. Fireworks.  :Chinscratch:


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[Wakawakawaka]

i think that these types of people get so excited for these events that probably will never happen so thats why they keep trying to predicit a date....  I hate it when they do this i mean its crazy isnt it  :cloud9:http://raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/no-man-knows-the-day-or-the-hour-really

[Molly]

I resemble that remark.

[jugghead]

Waka I'm telling you, please stop reading all of that garbage and just focus on getting to know the Lord for yourself. Pray, ask for the truth, read the Bible, and when something comes up in there that you don't understand, go to HIM to reveal it to you. Otherwise you are just filling your mind with manmade theories that will only torment you.

I agree whole heartily with lomarah

[WhiteWings]

i think that these types of people get so excited for these events that probably will never happen so thats why they keep trying to predicit a date....  I hate it when they do this i mean its crazy isnt it  :cloud9:http://raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/no-man-knows-the-day-or-the-hour-really

I don't think it's wrong to research events like rapture. It has an important role in the Bible so it's a just as good thing to research as many other topics. What I'm often missing is an openminded and honest approach. Often trying to prove church doctrine and never question translations. Use writings of (biased) scholars as proof for their claims but conveniently ignore the often equal or larger number of sholars that say otherwise.

[reFORMer]

These bodies that came up out of the ground and the tombs were broken.
The bodies were they flesh or were they the resurrected bodies (eternal)?
The bible says many were raised is there a estimate?
Were there thousands hundred of thousand.
These resurrected souls went through out the city seen by many.
Did they float around or did they walk and talk as Jesus did in his resurrected body.

I think the first 144,000 were those of the 12 tribes that were raised when Jesus raised from the dead.  They went on with Him in the ascension.  The next 144,000 are the last days Overcomers "of every tribe and tongue and people and nation."  These are God's servants from the Church for the transition into the Millennium, the Feast of Tabernacles Age.  If any are ahead of anybody else, it's just to bring the others in.

[dajomaco]

Thank you reformer.
That makes sense to me.

I've not heard any teaching on the subject.

The bodies that came up out of the ground
and the tombs being broken open.

To me it seems to be a monumental event.

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

I have some questions (not sure if there are answers)

Jesus' body was still on the cross when the people of Jerusalem saw the bodies of the people who came out of the grave.

Did those bodies ascend up before the ascension of Jesus?

[Wakawakawaka]

http://raptureintheairnow.com/rita-main-discussion-forum/a-must-read-from-pastor-fm-riley-connecting-the-dots looks like the date got changed AGAIN :boogie: to sometime in the fall of this year and http://www.yahweh-is-your-father.com/index.php?cID=51

[Molly]

Dot No. 1.......Some 2,000 years ago the Apostle Peter in Acts 2 referred to the prophecy of Joel 2:28-31, while speaking to the Jewish people gathered in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. Peter specifically stated in Acts 2:17, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:....."

Please pay close attention to the context. Peter was preaching to the Jewish people and in this quote from Joel's prophecy, about the Jewish people. This is not hard to see at all if people would pay attention to what they are reading. In transliterating from Joel's prophecy, Peter very specifically predicted that "in the last days" there would be "old men" among the Israelites who would "dream dreams." Has this come to pass? Our readers can decide.....

Dot No. 2.......Some of our readers are familiar with the account of Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri, the old Jewish Rabbi who passed from this life in 2006 at the age of 113. This was the Jewish year of 5766. Before his passing he claimed that in a dream the Messiah of Israel had come to him and revealed Himself to him. He told the other Rabbis in Jerusalem and other parts of the world that he knew the Messiah personally for he had met Him in his dream, spoken with Him, and worshiped Him.

Rabbi Kaduri then said that he had left a letter to be opened after his death. This letter would reveal the name of the Messiah and other important information which the Messiah had given to him. The letter was left in the possession of his son, and if I remember correctly there was a designated time after his death when the letter was to be opened. Anyway.....

The letter was opened at the designated time and it was such a shock to the Rabbi's son that he hesitated to reveal the contents of the letter, but finally did. In the letter the old Rabbi stated that the name of the Messiah of Israel was "Yeshua," the One whom the Christians call "Jesus." That revelation was such a shock to the Rabbis in Jerusalem and other parts of the world that it created an uproar among the Rabbis. Remember that for 2,000 years the Rabbis of the Jewish people have lied about the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ [Matthew 28:11-15], refused to believe on Him, and have done everything they knew to do to discredit Him in the eyes of their own Jewish people. Remember also that the Lord God explicitly told the Jewish people centuries ago, "As for My people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths," Isaiah 3:12.

Is it any wonder that there will be a great "mourning" in Israel and among the Jewish people when the "remnant" of Israel finally learn who their Messiah really is, a truth that these Rabbis have willfully and deliberately kept hidden from them for the past 2,000 years? Read it for yourself in Zechariah 12:10-14 and 13:6.

Our readers can surely imagine the shock that it was to these Jewish Rabbis when the most honored and respected Jewish Rabbi in the whole world up until his death, told them in his final letter that the name of the Jewish Messiah is "Yeshua," the very One whom the Jewish Rabbis have lied about and denied for centuries.

As I read these reports about the old Rabbi, I not only rejoiced that this information had been made public, but I immediately recognized why it had been revealed at this particular time in history. Think about it! The "seed" has now been sown among the Jewish Rabbis which will result in 144,000 of them turning to Christ immediately after the beginning of the Tribulation as they hear "the gospel of the Kingdom" being proclaimed by God's "two witnesses." Glory to God! Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! Thank you Lord Jesus!

However, that is not all the old Rabbi revealed in his final letter to his people. He specifically related how he had asked the Messiah in his dream, "When will You return?" He stated that the Messiah told him that He would return in the month of Av in the Jewish year 5772. He would not give the old Rabbi the exact date, but told him to "tell the people!"

Wow! Glory to God! Folks, on the Jewish calendar, this year is the Jewish year of 5772. The Jewish year of 5772 began on Rosh HaShanah, the first day of the 7th month on the Jewish calendar in 2011. But then when does the month of Av begin? The month of Av is the fifth month in the Jewish year and it begins on July 19th – 20th of this present year of 2012, less than 30 days from right now. I listed both dates because each new Jewish day begins at sundown as the religious Jews reckon time. The 20th day of July is actually the first day of Av on the Jewish calendar.

Now before any reader just tosses this aside as foolishness, remember Peter's prophecy, "your old men shall dream dreams," Acts 2:17. The oldest and most respected Jewish Rabbi in the world had this dream before he died, and then revealed these things to the Jewish people in his final letter. Is this just "coincidence," or is there a connection? I'll let our readers decide.....

Dot No. 3.......How many of our readers remember Hurricane Katrina which caused great destruction in large areas of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast region in 2005? How many remember what was going on in Israel at that time? Don't remember? Well, let me refresh the memories of our readers.

Under direct pressure from the United States of America to swap "land for peace," the Israel Defense Forces under orders from the Israeli government began evicting all Jews from the Gaza strip. Many of the evicted Jews had lived on their lands and in their homes since almost the turn of the last century. Yet they were literally forced to leave their lands and homes, some of them being bodily dragged from their homes screaming and begging for mercy, and no mercy was extended to any of them. Think about it!

What was the "date" when those eviction proceedings began in the Gaza strip? The totally unjust evictions began on the 29th day of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar. Behold! On that exact same day a little "tropical depression" began forming in the Atlantic Ocean off the east coast of America. Five days later it slammed into New Orleans, Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina, causing one of the worst hurricane disasters ever to hit America. Thousands of American people were forced to flee northward to save their lives. Hundreds died! Massive destruction occurred with many of the residents of New Orleans and other Gulf coast areas losing their homes and businesses.

Folks, Genesis 12:3 is still in the Bible! So is Nahum 1:3, which explicitly states, "The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath His way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of His feet." Now are there any readers who are still so "willing ignorant" that they have the gall to say that there was no connection between the highly unjust forced eviction of those Jewish settlers from the Gaza strip and the forced eviction of thousands of American people from New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast region. I remind those readers who don't like what I have said here that Galatians 6:7-8 is still in the Bible, and the principle set forth in that passage applies to nations just as well as it does to individuals. If you want to get mad at someone, then direct your anger towards Washington D.C. I haven't done a thing but tell the truth, God being my witness!

But I'm not finished yet! This approaching July 19th is the 29th day of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar, the very day before the first day of Av. What this means is that on the 19th of July this next month it will be exactly seven years to the day since the eviction of those Jewish settlers began in Gaza and the little tropical storm, Katrina, begin forming in the Atlantic Ocean. Seven years to the day before the first day of Av! And the old Jewish Rabbi claimed that Yeshua Himself had personally told him that He would return during the month of Av in this very year! Think about it! Let this soak in.....

Dot No. 4.......Any serious Bible student should know that the flood in the days of Noah was a type of the coming Tribulation period. The Lord Himself verified this truth when He spoke of the

"great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be," Matthew 24:21, and then in the same chapter the Lord also said, "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be," 24:37. The Greek word translated as "coming" in verse 37 and again in verse 39 in this passage is the word, "parousia." This word is repeatedly connected with the rapture of New Covenant believers in the New Testament. It is not speaking of the Lord's return at the end of the Tribulation.

Now let's look at "the days of Noah" preceding the flood. In Genesis 7:4 the Lord God explicitly stated, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth..... Then in 7:10 the Scripture explicitly states, "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth." It is from these two passages that most believers claim that God gave Noah a seven day warning. Indeed the Lord did give Noah a seven day warning, however there were more than seven days involved. If people would pay attention to what they are reading, this truth is glaringly obvious. Let me set it before our readers in another form.....

Day One........The Lord gave Noah the seven day warning, 7:4.

Day Two.......The 1st day of the seven.

Day Three.....The 2nd day of the seven.

Day Four.......The 3rd day of the seven.

Day Five........The 4th day of the seven.

Day Six..........The 5th day of the seven.

Day Seven.....The 6th day of the seven.

Day Eight......The 7th day of the seven.

Day Nine.......The day Noah entered the Ark and the flood began, 7:10.

Yes, I am well aware that it is commonly taught and repeated over and over that Noah entered the Ark seven days before the flood began. There is not a word of truth to this silly claim no matter who says it or how many times it is repeated. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself explicitly stated, "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be," Matthew 24:37-39. The Lord clearly states that the wickedness of the lost unbelieving world went right on "until the day that Noah entered into the ark." That same day the flood brought all their wicked revelry to a screeching halt. If our readers would take the time to carefully study the Hebrew words translated as "flood" and "rain" in Genesis 6 and 7 in a good Hebrew Lexicon, it is obvious that the "rain" the Lord God sent down upon the earth was not a normal rain. Rather, it was an absolute "deluge" which continued day and night for forty days. Having never even seen rain fall from the sky previously [Genesis 2:5-6], the wicked on the earth must have been absolutely terrified at the deluge of water crashing down upon the earth from out of the sky above. Their wickedness came to an abrupt end that day; "the same day" Noah entered the Ark.

This truth is verified a second time by the Lord in Luke 17:26-30, "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise [in the same way or manner] also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."

These passages make it quite obvious that Noah entered the Ark on the exact same day the flood began, which, as set forth above, was the ninth day after the Lord God had given him the warning. In other words, the Lord God warned Noah, then seven more days intervened, and on the ninth day Noah entered the Ark and the flood began.

Yes, I am laboring the point! I want our readers to grasp this important truth in view of what I am about to point out.

The Lord God did give Noah a seven day warning just as I have stated and illustrated above. Any good Bible student should be acquainted with the Biblical principle of a year for a day, for this principle is set forth several places in the Scriptures. See Numbers 13:25 and 14:34 for an example. Another example is found in Ezekiel 4:4-6.

Now is it just "coincidence" that from the 29th day of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar in 2005 [5765 – the Jewish year] to the 29th day of Tammuz in 2012 [5772 – the Jewish year] is seven years to the day? Has the Lord God of Heaven graciously given humanity, and His New Covenant believers in particular, a "seven year warning," just as He gave Noah a "seven day warning?" Hello! And it is just "coincidence" that this seven year period ends exactly on the last day of Tammuz, with the next day being the 1st day of the month of Av? And is it then just "coincidence" that in his letter the old Rabbi clearly stated that the Lord Messiah of Israel would return in the month of Av in the year 5772, the very year in which we are living right now? Is there not a connection? Is this all just "coincidence?"

No, I'm not through yet!

Dot No. 5.......Now those of our readers who have a Jewish calendar need to look at it carefully. But first.....

Remember that the 9th day of Av is referred to by the Jewish people as "Destruction Day" because that is the day both of their previous Temples were destroyed by the invading armies of Babylon and Rome. It is also because of the many terrible things that have happened to the Jewish people through the centuries on that exact day. I would remind our readers that it was on the 9th day of Av that the armies of Saddam Hussein of Iraq [ancient Babylon] invaded Kuwait in 1990 and began a chain of events in the Middle East which is still going on right to this present hour. From the 9th day of Av in 1990 to the 9th day of Av in 2012 is exactly 22 years to the day. "22" is the Bible number which signifies "light; to see; to discern; to understand." This meaning will be especially significant when New Covenant believers look upon the face of our precious Savior and Lord at the rapture of His people, but it will also be significant to the unbelieving Jewish people which are left on the earth following the rapture, when they finally see and understand that the prophecies of the Word of the Lord are true and they find themselves in the terrible Tribulation period.

Now look at the present political and military situation in the Middle East. The nations of the Middle East are armed to the teeth and are "sitting on a time bomb" that is ready to explode into a red hot war at any minute. In view of the present situation in the Middle East, what could possibly be a more fitting time for the nations of the Middle East to explode into war than on the 9th day of Av? Think about it!

But there is another scenario [type...??] here that is even more important to true New Covenant believers. Look carefully at your calendar! I have pointed out that the "seven year warning" ends on July 19th on the 29th day of Tammuz. The next day is the 1st day of Av. Now it doesn't take a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist to figure out that it is exactly nine days from the 1st day of Av until Jewish "Destruction Day" on the 9th day of Av.

Folks, Noah was given a seven day warning, however that warning was given nine days in advance of the beginning of the flood. The flood was a type of the Tribulation period. Noah entered the Ark of safety on the ninth day after he had been warned, the very day the flood began. Are our readers connecting the dots?

Conclusion

[1] Peter said that "in the last days" old men among the Jews would "dream dreams."

[2] The oldest and most honored Rabbi among the Jewish people did have a "dream" in which the Messiah of Israel revealed Himself to him and gave him His name and important information about His return.

[3] The old Rabbi revealed the name of the Jewish Messiah as "Yeshua;" the Lord Jesus Christ whom we Christians love and serve as our Savior and Lord.

[4] The old Rabbi also revealed the time of the Lord's return as being the month of Av in the Jewish year 5772.

[5] The Lord God gave Noah a seven day warning of the judgment of the flood on the ninth day before the flood actually began.

[6] Noah entered the Ark of safety on the very day the flood began.

[7] It will be exactly seven years to the day from the beginning of the eviction of the Jews from Gaza to the last day of Tammuz on July 19th.

[8] The 1st day of Av begins on July 20th.

[9] From July 20th through July 28th is nine days.

[10] July 28th is the 9th day of Av, "Destruction Day" as regarded by the Jews.

[11] The 9th day of Av appears to be an ideal time for the Tribulation period to begin.

[12] If the Tribulation period should begin on that day, then the rapture of God's people will also occur on that same day, all in the month of Av in the 5772nd year on the Jewish calendar exactly as the old Rabbi reported in his "dream." Think about it!

Am I now setting the "date" for the rapture to occur? Absolutely not! I am reporting facts which can easily be documented by any reader. I do believe that the Lord God has graciously brought these facts to my attention. And as the Lord God told the old Rabbi to "tell the people," even so I have now told our readers. I DO NOT KNOW whether any events of real prophetic significance will actually occur on these dates set forth or not. But it sure appears to me that what I have set before my readers in this study is connected dot by dot. If the connection is really there, then how could all of these things just be a whole series of unrelated "coincidences?" Is it "possible" that these things could be a final warning given by our gracious Savior of His very SOON coming for His New Covenant believing people? I leave it up to our readers to decide.....

[Molly]

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We entered the Four Night Watches on the Tenth of TEVET in 2010, which fell on December 17, 2010. We will enter the GREAT TRIBULATION in the Spring of 2013, at the start of the 7th Seal of Revelation. The first six seals begin to be opened on day 600 of this period, which falls in the summer of 2012 (Rev 6:1.) The bride of Christ will be received ("paralambano," the early Rapture) near "midnight" (Matt 25:6), which falls One Quarter of the way into the Four Night Watches. The Rapture may take place over several weeks, thus it could extend into the weeks just before the seals begin to be opened. We are almost at the end of the "beginning of sorrows!" Christians have been misled by many who claimed to have "figured it out," but the truth of these things can ONLY BE REVEALED BY JESUS CHRIST.  A "day and hour you think NOT" means exactly that! He appeared to me in May of 2010 to affirm what I am telling you now, and it is up to you to accept it, or not.  To be ready for the first Rapture, put your total trust in Jesus, be filled with the Holy Ghost, and WATCH! 

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[reFORMer]

Dot No. 4.......Any serious Bible student should know that the flood in the days of Noah was a type of the coming Tribulation period. The Lord Himself verified this truth when He spoke of the

"great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be," Matthew 24:21, and then in the same chapter the Lord also said, "But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be," 24:37. The Greek word translated as "coming" in verse 37 and again in verse 39 in this passage is the word, "parousia." This word is repeatedly connected with the rapture of New Covenant believers in the New Testament. It is not speaking of the Lord's return at the end of the Tribulation.

Not only is the word "parousia" associated with the word "rapture," so is "harpazo," as well as other concepts.  I can't say turn to such and such a chapter and verse to see what it says about "rapture" because none exist.  It is a traditional and extra-biblical category.  "Parousia," being a Greek word in the Scripture, is a category God uses to make His revelation known.  The same is true of "harpazo."  However, there is nothing that melds these two words into one category in the Scripture.  The word "parousia" means "to be (to exist,) to be present, presence."  It is not about something coming from someplace else.  At least forty times the word "parousia" is misleadingly translated as "coming" in the King James Version.

If you don't know what it is that is supposed to happen, are unaware of what we should be expecting, why would you think you'd know when it'll happen?

To put various categories, Scripture words or not, into one extra-biblical word is a working of deception.  It confuses several specific categories God set up as separate.  It erases the boundaries between particular words God used for other purposes.  It is what Paul the apostle called "blasphemy"  In the Greek this is a word that means, "To not use the proper harness, hence letting the horse (ie., word) run wild."

There is nothing about two 2nd comings in the Bible.  There is nothing there about any period of time between two 2nd comings or some period of time between a coming "for" His saints and a coming "with" His saints.  The phrase, "coming FOR His saints" also never occurs in the Scripture.   

Many interesting facts can be gathered about various things; but, when those things are not specified by actual words God chose to make His revelation known followers of the Truth do not believe them.  All the more so when those made up things replace what God has spoken.  Remember how the King was throwing a party (Feast of Tabernacles) and Vashti not only would not come to it to be seen, to be manifested, she also created her own party (the Rapture) instead.

[Molly]

"coming" [of the Son of man]
G3952
παρουσία
parousia
par-oo-see'-ah
From the present participle of G3918; a being near, that is, advent (often, return; specifically of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physical aspect: - coming, presence.