Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you.
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
What exactly are the "things" that John spoke of here? :Chinscratch:
Also, isn't it written that God loves the world? :dontknow:
Quote from: Eduard on November 06, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you.
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
What exactly are the "things" that John spoke of here? :Chinscratch:
Also, isn't it written that God loves the world? :dontknow:
Wonderful questions Eduard !!
I wondered also why , if God so loved the world He gave His only [one of a kind ] Son as a gift to the world that though Him would be saved !
and I read John 17 just today and that is the answer to me brother
Jesus prayer
to keep us and protect us from the evil one in the world ,because we are in the world but not of it and it hated Jesus and will hate you also , because the world loves darkness and ignorance more than Light , the Light exposes the darkness and sin is done in the darkness of our own hearts , how many times have you said , I cannot believe that was in my heart when you flub up ??? and so outburst of anger and sin manifested itself and was hid in your heart to come out and stumble your walk with Jesus ? JESUS CHRIST IS the Light of men is JESUS CHRIST /LIGHT of the FATHER IN YOU protecting you Keeping you !
the Knowledge and Wisdom of the FATHER /SON relationship , HOLY SPIRIT WITNESS and teacher and comforter , correcting our path
Jesus Christ is the son of man and the Son of God our connection of power to the HOLY SPIRIT ,OUR TRUE WITNESS that the SPIRIT OF GOD AND SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS IN YOU A LIGHT to follow the path made just for you by them ...
13 "I am coming to you now. But I ·pray [L say] these things while I am still in the world so that ·these followers [these disciples; L they] can have all of my joy [ L made complete; fulfilled] in them.
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I have given them your ·teaching [word]. And the world has hated them, because they don't belong to the world, just as I don't belong to the world. 15
I am not asking you to take them out of the world but to ·keep them safe [protect them] from the ·Evil One [or evil; C the Evil One is the Devil]. 16 They don't belong to the world, just as I don't belong to the world.
17 ·Make them ready for your service [Sanctify them; Consecrate them; C setting them apart for service] through your truth; your ·teaching [word] is truth.
18 I have sent them into the world, just as you sent me into the world. 19 For their sake, I am ·making myself ready to serve [sanctifying/consecrating myself] so that they can be ·ready for their service of [sanctified/consecrated by] the truth.
20 "I ·pray for these followers [L ask not only for these], but I am also ·praying [L asking] for all those who will believe in me because of their ·teaching [message; proclamation; L word].
21 Father, I ·pray [L ask] that they can be one. As you are in me and I am in you, I ·pray [L ask] that they can also be ·one in us [L in us]. Then the world will believe that you sent me.
22 I have given these people the ·glory [honor] that you gave me so that they can be one, just as you and I are one. 23
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I will be in them and you will be in me [L I in them and you in me] so that they will be ·completely one [in perfect unity]. ·Then [...so that] the world will know that you sent me and that you loved them just as much as you loved me. for me the GLORY IS THE LIGHT of the FATHER &SON SHINING IN OUR HEARTS and the darkness cannot be where the Light shines so brightly for the world to see and those called out of the world desire the same good news of the GOSPEL spreading the Light to all the ends of the earth
, :dsunny:
I think John is speaking about the current evil world system that is opposed to God.
ps this world is foolishness to God , all the pomp and pride of life and false power to do with the works of our own hands is very temporary
we get in places like traps and cannot get out of them and know we need something greater than ourselves to save us from the trap we are caught in , like animals in a steel trap and cry out in pain , and call upon the Lord for help , like addictions and troubles and sickness , health issues with confusion and chaos , those things make us know we need a savior
we are set up to fail over and over again knowing in our own strength we are weak and needy and broken
the whole creation was made and are subject to vanity and failure , though we stumble 7 times [over and over again ] the Lord is able to make us stand , all our hope in in Christ Jesus when we come to this place and know this we have a power never known before !! ONE DAY is all it takes to make the sons of God manifested !
one day is like a 1000 years and a 1000 years is a Day to the LORD AND TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION !! THIS GOSPEL IS THE GOOD NEWS for all called out of the world and into the ruling and regining of the Lord Jesus Christ in our hearts!!! HE SITS AS KING protecting His kingdom from all darkness and sin !
you are no longer of the world but in Christ and all things are new and the reigning begins in your heart the glory and light of CHRIST by the Father [GRACE SALVATION] has come to you !! [ACTS 17 29-31 ] never was far from us !! the Kingdom of God is near you [our hearts]
Romans 8 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.
20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope
21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
I think there are two sorts of worlds.
The planet.
All sorts of things that break the Torah.
Quote from: Tom on November 06, 2014, 02:19:42 PM
I think John is speaking about the current evil world system that is opposed to God.
Oh yes , the Light has come but darkness can not comprehend/ mastered it !
John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has
come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
but the incorruptible / without marring and without end sons of God are born from out of corruption /sin and error
Quote from: WhiteWings on November 06, 2014, 02:36:31 PM
I think there are two sorts of worlds.
The planet.
All sorts of things that break the Torah.
Yes there is !!!! a natural realm / temporal / cursed to failure and sin and pride and all matter of evil and good
we learn to tell the difference , what we think was good turns to evil and what we think is evil God can turn it for good
we see the examples in the WORD and world all the time
there is a spiritual realm also that no man can know it and is cut off from it , it is the constant darkness and void , till the Lord comes to separate the Light from the darkness in our own hearts Ecc 3 who can know but the spirit in a man ? That God has placed in there to be realized /manifested and made known to us
when were were little ones we had no idea of God or good and evil I see this in my 15 month old grandson all the time and his constant curiosity can be dangerous to him and keeps us hopping and always fixed on his safety wanting him to explore but learn his limits / boundaries to satisfy his curiosity
without being harmed , mastering his limits to know good from evil and what causes pain and what brings joy to his little world and we are pleased to see his discoveries and accomplishments mastering walking and talking and growing in truth and grace , but the laws of good things and evil things are still in his path all the while causing danger to his well being , he can only play in the day light and in the darkness he has to rest to even be able to get up , rise and do it all over again the next day if it comes to him
ECC 3 is a very powerful chapter in the wisdom of the world God gave Solomon
and Jesus now Has the power over all the world and heavens too the old and the new and the Lord of the dead to God and the living to God , for He is the one whom gave the Living Life in the first place from the dead
we see this as day and night in the natural realm and know there is such a thing in the spiritual realm as day and night as well ..
:iagree: with all the above.
John 3:16 says that God so (in this way) loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He's describing the manner in which he loved the world, in what he did for it.
Similarly, he is describing how not to love the world, in choosing to conform to the evil things it offers. Love is in what we do, not just how we feel.
There is a way to love the world by saving it, or by conforming to it. One is a good way to love it, and the other is a bad way.
Great posts, everyone! :thumbsup: :cloud9:
Quote from: Eduard on November 06, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you.
For everything in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--comes not from the Father but from the world.
What exactly are the "things" that John spoke of here? :Chinscratch:
Also, isn't it written that God loves the world? :dontknow:
Finally a question I'm an expert in and subject that I have a lot of experience in.
The
things of this world are most of the things that make me look and feel good
they are so easy for me to do and accomplish. They always reward me instantly.
The things that require vigilance, and effort
not to love.
Matthew 6
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat , or what ye shall drink ; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on . Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap , nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow ; they toil not, neither do they spin : 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is , and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought , saying , What shall we eat ? or, What shall we drink ? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed ? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek :) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Quote from: Tom on November 06, 2014, 02:19:42 PM
I think John is speaking about the current evil world system that is opposed to God.
:iagree:
the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, these are the "things" that fuel the lower world.
God loves the world- but he does not love the "things" of it, He loves the people that are trapped within those "things" and sent His Son to die for us and set us free from them because they cause death and disruption.
The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: being sexually unfaithful, not being pure, taking part in sexual sins, 20 worshiping gods, doing witchcraft, hating, making trouble, being jealous, being angry, being selfish, making people angry with each other, causing divisions among people, 21 feeling envy, being drunk, having wild and wasteful parties, and doing other things like these. I warn you now as I warned you before: Those who do these things will not inherit God's kingdom
Thank you Jesus you are my only hope
Quote from: dajomaco on November 06, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: being sexually unfaithful, not being pure, taking part in sexual sins, 20 worshiping gods, doing witchcraft, hating, making trouble, being jealous, being angry, being selfish, making people angry with each other, causing divisions among people, 21 feeling envy, being drunk, having wild and wasteful parties, and doing other things like these. I warn you now as I warned you before: Those who do these things will not inherit God's kingdom
Thank you Jesus you are my only hope
:thumbsup:
Romans 14
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Therefore, "those who do these things" shall have neither joy or peace or righteousness in the Holy Spirit. I think that is why Paul warned earlier in Romans 2 that there would be be trouble and distress for all those who practice evil, because practicing evil naturally results in trouble and distress and lacking in peace, joy and righteousness.
This is why Jesus sent the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
The things of the world in 1 John 2:15 however, is about(imo) the sources of the "wrong things we do".
It is the sources we are in need of freedom from, more than the "things"
Washing the outside of the cup doesnt help because if we stop "doing the wrong thing" then we start thinking we are "righteous" and judging those who do the "wrong thing" instead of praying for them.
Only a broken and a contrite heart (inside cup cleaning)makes us able to do the "right thing" (love God and love our neighbor) for the "right reason"(love) and it is the Holy Spirit that gives us the ability even to love our enemies- as God does, as Christ did on the cross(Father forgive them).
:iagree:
Salvation begins with cleaning out the inside first. The "sin living in me" that Paul talked about is what needs to be cleaned and only the Spirit can help. I think that is what Paul means when he says "work outwardly your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God in you both to will and to work of his pleasure." That is the grace I believe that saves, and why the Law was not able to save.
Quote from: Seth on November 06, 2014, 11:02:13 PM
:iagree:
Salvation begins with cleaning out the inside first. The "sin living in me" that Paul talked about is what needs to be cleaned and only the Spirit can help. I think that is what Paul means when he says "work outwardly your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God in you both to will and to work of his pleasure." That is the grace I believe that saves, and why the Law was not able to save.
the Light of Christ dawning in our hearts swallows up death and darkness within the walls of salvation as each one whom[ Christ comes in ] first , its His/ the Father 's perfect work
2 Peter 1 ; 19 You do well if you pay attention to this as you would to a light shining in a murky place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.·
This makes us more sure about the message the prophets gave [or And we also have a reliable message from the prophets; L And we have the prophetic word confirmed; C probably referring to the Old Testament].
·It is good for you [You do well] to follow closely what they said as you would follow a ·light [L lamp] shining in a dark place,
until the day ·begins [L dawns] and the morning star rises in your hearts
numbers 24 ; 17 [ A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Moab.html#.VFy7bvnF9eU
; Rev. 22:16; "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright and morning star
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Quote from: eaglesway on November 06, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
This is why Jesus sent the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
The things of the world in 1 John 2:15 however, is about(imo) the sources of the "wrong things we do".
It is the sources we are in need of freedom from, more than the "things"
Washing the outside of the cup doesnt help because if we stop "doing the wrong thing" then we start thinking we are "righteous" and judging those who do the "wrong thing" instead of praying for them.
Only a broken and a contrite heart (inside cup cleaning)makes us able to do the "right thing" (love God and love our neighbor) for the "right reason"(love) and it is the Holy Spirit that gives us the ability even to love our enemies- as God does, as Christ did on the cross(Father forgive them).
Now because you are sons,
God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of his Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). 7 So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
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