Here's a web site . . .don't think it's Christian so do bear that in mind as you read this . . .but this looks like a bit of a simplistic way of explaining there is a literal eye in your head besides the two on your face. And this one is the one that ENABLES your literal mind to "see" spiritual things of God.
see if this speaks to you.
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
:idea2: Helps regulate the body's sleep-wake cycle, so let us REST! :OhNo: :yes: :beach:
wow is this how mothers see in the back of their heads? :mshock:
This is very interesting. I was trying to do a meditation by this crazy online hypnotist for a while, but every time I tried it, I immediately fell asleep. Then I would wake up and the tape would be over. Who knows what he was pumping into my head while I slept.
But now I understand what he was doing--because he had us close our eyes and focus on a point in the middle of the forehead--and believe it or not I would start to see light--then I would fall asleep lol. So that would be lining up the pineal and the pituitary, like they describe. I guess I was generating too much melatonin to stay awake.
But it is peculiar if this deep brain structure contains light receptors.
The Christian mystics are doing things along these lines. But, I would want to be shown by a Christian how to use this capability, even if it is possible--because I'm not particularly interested in slipping out through any trap doors by accident lol.
That hypnotist is probably a soul snatcher and i narrowly escaped. :msealed:
Quote from: Molly on February 21, 2009, 08:48:43 AM
wow is this how mothers see in the back of their heads? :mshock:
Only bald mothers Molly :laughing7:
Quote from: Molly on February 21, 2009, 08:48:43 AM
wow is this how mothers see in the back of their heads? :mshock:
This is very interesting. I was trying to do a meditation by this crazy online hypnotist for a while, but every time I tried it, I immediately fell asleep. Then I would wake up and the tape would be over. Who knows what he was pumping into my head while I slept.
But now I understand what he was doing--because he had us close our eyes and focus on a point in the middle of the forehead--and believe it or not I would start to see light--then I would fall asleep lol. So that would be lining up the pineal and the pituitary, like they describe. I guess I was generating too much melatonin to stay awake.
But it is peculiar if this deep brain structure contains light receptors.
The Christian mystics are doing things along these lines. But, I would want to be shown by a Christian how to use this capability, even if it is possible--because I'm not particularly interested in slipping out through any trap doors by accident lol.
That hypnotist is probably a soul snatcher and i narrowly escaped. :msealed:
The little pamphlet entitled "quantum faith" really simplifies much of this as well. It doesn't refer directly to the pineal gland, but it does explain how the words we speak . .and the tones we speak them in really do affect the atmosphere we live in everyday. Charles Capps daughter wrote it . . .only cost $2.00 to order. We've gone through about 80 of them so far . . .it is such a small little thing that packs such a big punch.
Mahatma Gandhi said that he read the Christian Bible every day, but he would not convert to Christianity because he had yet to find a Christian who actually followed the teachings of Jesus. In fact, as a dedicated Bible reader it was Gandhi's position that the whole world would be the followers of Jesus, if it were not for the people who called themselves Christian.
Institutionalized Culture Of Destruction: Jesus condemned the ways of this world as evil and satanic, and yet people who call themselves his followers immerse the whole of their lives in it's mindset and lifestyle. The first followers of Jesus called themselves Ebionites -- i.e., the "poor ones" -- because they knew that to be a disciple or follower of Jesus, one had to be in the world and not of it! Was Jesus and his first followers misinformed and out of touch with reality? Unfortunately, the thinking of most people today has been thoroughly molded by Hollywood, Madison Avenue, MTV, and our politically correct culture that immerses the vast majority of people in the darkness of ignorance -- ignorance about themselves, as well as ignorance about the life they are living. Unbeknown to most people, institutionalized religion and institutionalized learning are mere extensions that support the tenets of the Culture of Destruction. And while the churches may put on a quasi-religious facade -- using rhetoric that attempts to portray them in a spiritual role -- and at times they appear to take positions in opposition to the Culture of Destruction -- in truth there is only a slight degree of separation and differences.
Those readers familiar with early Christian history know that during the first three centuries there was great strife between certain groups of believers. Yet, in not understanding the depth of the Apostle Paul's Epistles, modern Christians generally fail to realize the source of this conflict. What is clear in First Corinthians was that there were two classes of Christians: Those who knew only the testimony of "Christ and him crucified", and those who went beyond the exoteric doctrine of Christ which Paul referred to as "milk", and those who embraced the process of spiritual transformation and maturity and learned the Mysteries of God that Paul could not speak openly about. "Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect," writes Paul, "yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory" (1 Cor 2:6-7 KJV).
The Suppressed Mind Of Natural Man: In these words Paul is warning the believers at Corinth that he can only speak about the Wisdom and Mysteries of God to those who are perfect. Yet, the carnal believer throughout the history of the church has traditional rejected these words of the Apostle -- even rejecting the concept of perfection as heresy. How could Paul not, when it is realized that natural man only used approximately 10% of his potential of mind, and Paul is making reference to the fact that only those people who are capable of using the other ninety percent of the mind are able to perceive and comprehend what the Bible calls the Mysteries of God. Carnal man who knows virtually nothing of his threefold nature, simply has no means to relate to the soul and spiritual realities that Paul can only hint at in his Epistles. Moreover, contrary to modern Christian doctrine, the Apostle does not say perfect faith -- perfect belief -- or some philosophical idea of perfection by virtue of membership in a religious group. The idea of perfection from a biblical perspective is complete in all its parts -- and because we cling to manmade doctrines, we do not believe that man is capable of this state of perfection, which the Apostle continually speaks of, throughout his writings.
When Paul warned that men of a "natural" mind would look upon the Mysteries of God as "foolishness", he said this because we are not beings of flesh -- and we are not what we appear to be when we look upon the reflected reality of the body-vessel we presently inhabit in the mirror. And while our true soul and spiritual reality was near impossible to even describe to people who lived 2000 years ago, our modern technology and science has made intelligent speculation more feasible from the perspective of the average person. Quoting the article on Science Proves Religion we are presented with a reality that the vast majority of people are simply not prepared to envision.
The Universe is a Great Mind: In his 1951 textbook on quantum theory, Bohm offered some interesting speculations on the analogies between quantum processes and thought processes, thus carrying further the celebrated statement made by the astronomer James Jeans two decades earlier: "Today there is a wide measure of agreement... that the stream of knowledge is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine"; and the statement by astronomer Arthur Eddington: "The stuff of the universe is mind-stuff". More recently, cyberneticist David Foster described "an intelligent universe" whose apparent concreteness is generated by cosmic data from an unknowable, organized source. The holographic theory says that: "...our brains mathematically construct hard reality by interpreting frequencies from a dimension transcending time and space. The brain is a hologram, interpreting a holographic universe." What is the impact of these findings of modern science? The reality that is being conveyed is that what we perceive as solid physical matter, is being interpreted in this manner because our brains interpret that frequency to make what we see appear concrete. Moreover, what it also means is that we perceive only a fraction of Creation because our brains, which by virtue of the fact of their physical nature, can only detect frequencies that are within the same spectrum. In the same way that in order to be effective, an antenna must possess the physical characteristics that enables it to receive a certain range of the frequencies that the device (radio, TV, wireless phone, etc.) is intended to operate within, our physical mind and bodies are designed to function within a certain spectrum of Creation -- and this is predicated by the fact that our physical nature is composed of the elements that are of this world.
Natural Man Uses Less Than 10% of His Mind: Just as important is the fact that we only use less than ten percent of our potential of mind which corresponds to the ten percent (physical) spectrum of frequencies with which we interact with in this world, because very few of us have ever trained and developed our minds to go beyond this natural organic limitation. Once we begin to comprehend this fact -- and strive to overcome the three-dimensional barrier of this world -- only then can we begin to comprehend the constant biblical assertion that carnal man is blind to higher reality.
That the Bible continually warns the reader that man in his natural organic state of mind neither understands what he sees with his physical eyes -- and perceives only a very limited perception of reality -- is easily confirmed in the above statements by the modern scientist. What this equates to is conformation of the many truths that biblical holy-men and prophets have invariably declared and warned us about with respect to the fact that what we see is not concrete -- and what we see with our physical eyes appears to us as solid matter, only because our physical brains are wired in such a way so as to interpret it in this manner.
Fundamentally this means that what we see when we look out into the world is a very limited perception of reality, and equates to nothing more than the same ten percent of our potential of mind that we are limited to using by nature -- i.e., men and women who use less than ten percent of their potential of mind are only capable of perceiving less than ten percent of the totality of Creation and the world in which they dwell. Yet, to our own demise, we fail to embrace the reality that men such as Martin Luther, Darwin, our many scholars and philosophers throughout the history of the world, the people who teach our children, the political and religious leaders who convey to us their very incomplete and limited religious doctrines, quasi-scientific theories, and philosophies about life, all have failed to overcome the very flaw in human reasoning that caused the Apostle Paul to both condemn the wisdom of this world as foolishness, and warn us that the people of the simple faith do not comprehend the Spiritual Gospel of Messiah/Christ! Yet, we ignore the wisdom of the Apostle, and erroneously believe that man can attain to higher understanding while still using less than ten percent of his potential of mind -- a ten percent that only detects a very limited and suppressed spectrum of the totality of Creation.
While the Concept of Evolution/Involution Contains Truth, Darwinism is in Error: One of the primary obstacles in our understanding of both the scriptures and life itself is seen in the fact that we embrace an outdated Darwinist perception of life -- and even people of faith who claim to ardently oppose the Theory of Evolution fail to recognize that in the reinterpretation of the Word by the fourth century Roman Church, even the modern Fundamentalist Christian views both the Bible and life from a quasi-Darwinist perspective that is totally alien to the original teachings of The Way. Thus, in the fourth-century rape and destruction of the true people of the New Covenant, the Church of Constantine not only defiled the teachings of The Way, but molded the thinking of society along a course that naturally gave birth to men such as Darwin and the Atheist Manifesto that pervades our culture today.
The problem is seen in the fact that we have permitted ourselves to become anchored to an erroneous perception of Creation -- and while Darwin and his theory of evolution remains the holy grail of the Atheist and Secular Humanist who are the architects and guardians of our modern-day culture, even the more enlightened scientist readily sees the flaw in this very mechanical and limited perception of life. In the words of Niles Eldredge of the American Museum of Natural History: "The old explanation that the fossil record was inadequate is in itself an inadequate explanation." Why? The fossil record is inadequate because everything that we see and perceive in this realm is directly caused by patterns of force being exerted upon matter from beyond the bounds of this three-dimensional world in which we presently dwell.
CONTINUED BELOW
Einstein experienced shock when he first came into contact with the new reality of atomic physics, and wrote in his autobiography: "All my attempts to adapt the theoretical foundation of physics to this [new type of] knowledge failed completely. It was as if the ground had been pulled out from under one, with no firm foundation to be seen anywhere, upon which one could have built". In much the same fashion, the European physicist Niels Bohr stated that "...The great extension of our experience in recent years has brought to light the insufficiency of our simple mechanical conceptions and, as a consequence, has shaken the foundation on which the customary interpretation of observation was based." These "...mechanical conceptions" make reference to Darwin and the theory of evolution.
Natural Man Incapable of Comprehending Creation or the Bible: In the first two chapters of Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians the Apostle very clearly teaches that there is the "testimony" of Messiah/Christ that is preached to the multitudes of people, and the "mysteries" of the Gospel that cannot even be contemplated by those believers who have yet to be transformed by the Spirit, and are still of a natural organic state of mind. While this reality was difficult for men such as Martin Luther and Darwin to envision, this is no longer the case in our present time. Luckily, our modern scientific advances have provided us with great insight into understanding what Paul was attempting to convey to the mind of the still carnal believer. Once we are able to comprehend that we are dwelling in a non-mechanical "...holographic universe" that is now being described as being of an intelligent nature -- i.e., and appears to us in every way as "...a great thought" -- only then can we begin to truly understand the universal plight of man that Yeahus/Jesus came to free us from. Further, what the Bible portrays as Satan -- both collectively and as a singular being who opposes the Heavenly Kingdom -- can more appropriately be portrayed as the power or force which bonds and shackles us to this world through the organic physical body/vessels we are presently residing in.
Looking In The Wrong Direction: In the realization that traditional scientific inquiry can never provide the answers to life, thoughtful physicists in greater number have begun to notice the curious parallels between their own findings and ancient mystical descriptions of reality. These similarities were pointed out in the book, The Tao Of Physics, by Fritjof Capra, and The Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukav. Zukav's book takes its title from the Chinese expression for physics, wu li, which he translates as "patterns of organic energy", and writes: "Bell's theorem not only suggests that the world is quite different than it seems, it demands it. Something very exciting is happening. Physicists have 'proved' rationally that our rational ideas about the world in which we live are profoundly deficient".
Bell's theorem, which was proposed in 1964 by J.S. Bell, a physicist working in Switzerland, was first confirmed experimentally in 1972. Physicist Henry Stapp, in a 1975 federal report called it the most "profound discovery of science". Bell's theorem succeeds in exhibiting the bizarre nature of the subatomic world. Experiments show that if paired particles which are identical twins in their polarity fly apart, and the polarity of one is changed by an experimenter, the polarity of the other particle changes instantaneously. Even though they appear to us as separate, the particles remain mysteriously connected regardless of the fact that there is no physical connection. The problem is that the mind of man in it's natural organic state is simply incapable of perceiving the far-reaching ramifications of this great truth -- and even less prepared to comprehend the results of the intertwining connections that are maintained not only between individuals and groups of people, but between the past, the present, and future.
Matter - The Blemish Created by Colliding And Interacting Fields Of Energy: In his book, Urbausteine der Materie, physicist Walter Thirring wrote about matter that modern physics "has put our thinking about the essence of matter in a different context. It has taken our gaze from the visible - the particles - to the underlying entity, the field. The presence of matter is merely a disturbance of the perfect state of the field at that place; something accidental, one could almost say, a 'blemish'. Accordingly, there are no simple laws describing the forces between elementary particles... Order and symmetry must be sought in the underlying field."
Stop reading! Do not unconsciously skim over these words of the modern scientist that confront you with a universal reality that if we fail to understand, enslaves each and every person who dwells in this world today! These words represent such a great revelation to the mind of modern man whose cultural mindset totally alienates him from his own true reality, that I believe every reader should ask themselves what this statement by a respected physicist means to them? What is the relationship of these words to your present life? How do they impact what you believe? Once it is understood that our lives are not only controlled, but predestined prior to our birth into this physical world by the combination of interweaving fabric of law, mind and spirit that comprises the makeup of the elements of the field that surrounds us -- acting as a filter that colors both our vision and perceptions of life -- elements that cause us to be either a victim or predator, successful or unsuccessful, lucky, fortunate or a total failure in life -- are all the result of the pattern of organic energy the interacts between a person's field and every aspect of their lives. Moreover, true change, development and transformation can only be brought about when one begins to alter the source of the events and personal agenda of one's life that is found embedded in what the scientist describes as the field.
Physical Body Is Created Where Opposing Fields Of Mind Interact: What the physicist is telling you is that your physical body that you observe in the mirror – the physical form that you use to present yourself to the world around you -- is in fact caused by a disturbance in your own, personal field -- and it is this field that you do not see, that causes what is described to be a blemish -- in this realm that we perceive through the eyes that has been formed out of this same blemish -- and thus, our physical senses and reasoning which is founded upon this blemish within the field of our true self, is only capable of perceiving and comprehending from the reality and perspective of the blemish from which is was formed. Again, if what we observe in this world as being concrete, is not really concrete, but merely a frequency that our brain interprets in a concrete manner, then we begin to perceive the means to open the mind the other 90%, which is accomplished when we begin to allow ourselves to develop our resources of mind in order to permit the mind to detect the full spectrum of frequencies that make up the totality of all of Creation. Can we do this? Both the Bible and the holy men and women of the past convey to us that an enlightened vision and understanding of life is not only possible, but it is our eventual destiny. Thus, the problem is seen in the fact that man's true reality is neither addressed, acknowledged, or acted upon in any intelligent manner by our politically correct culture that controls the heartbeat of society today. From our modern scientific perspective, the Darwinist perception of Creation amounts to little more than junk-science, while the findings of genuine science has become as a cult that is not even discussed in our modern educational systems. To the detriment of our own children, what we teach instead is secular dogma -- anti-religious secular dogma -- that has absolutely no basis in fact.
If we could but for a brief moment gaze at this world from the perspective of higher reality, what we would immediately realize is that what science is learning about Creation today was in fact elementary to the eyes and understanding of the Hebrew-Christian visionary of the past. Thus, the great dilemma: It is one thing through scientific endeavor to become aware that these other dimensions exist, and become cognizant of the impact they have upon this world -- and still quite another to move in and out and explore these other realms of existence. Moreover, all these scientific theories that we have newly discovered today, are not new at all -- and have been well established in the scriptures and the writings of the prophets and visionaries since the dawn of time. How can this be, you will ask? Simple! If we are to even begin to come to terms with our own higher reality and purpose of life, it is absolutely important for us to recognize the fact that man does not need a technically advanced society in order to explore the realms of Higher Mind -- i.e., he only needs his mind -- then it will also be realized that our world of modern technology can in fact be detrimental to our own development, because it has the ability to greatly distract man in his search for the answers to Life. What this ultimately means is that the wisdom of the ancients could very well be superior to the modern philosophy that our universities teach today. In fact, if man could see the wonders of Creation clearly, he would quickly realize that the supposed conflict between science and religion is superficial, and is nothing more than the result of ignorance with regard to both the true nature of religion and scientific fact.
http://beingoflight.brotherofyeshua.com/ignorance.htm
Although few are willing to admit it, and fewer still understand it, this statement has been proven by modern physics--
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
--Col 1
He is...the field.
I seriously believe that we are a result of an overall plan that started with Adam and Christ atoned and we now manifest. We are being led back to our origin where all life began before any curse was decreed. This whole thing is not about a belief or doctrine . . .God is just using "that" as a tool to get us to respond to a greater call from the invisible throne room . . .that we see ourselves in our original state, before sin began. That we return to the garden, to the realm of the spirit where dominion never left, but man did. That we to can enguage in this creative atmosphere that was established by the spirit that moved upon the face of the waters . . .where all it took was a command for a thought to become a reality, simply by calling it out.
It is pure faith at it's core. Do you really see the whole world being saved? Then call it out . . ."let there be light! . . ."
Quotewhere all it took was a command for a thought to become a reality, simply by calling it out.
We are there now. We just don't understand our great power. Could we transform this world overnight? Yes.
If everyone would take captive their own thoughts and bring them into submission to the mind of Christ, everything would change in a heartbeat.
But, right now, we are like a 5 year old with a loaded gun, firing wildly and un-consiously in all directions.
:cloud9: Awesome, Molly....you come up with some really good material. I know what we see is not really concrete; I got to experience that when I was first saved. Matter is just slowed down Spirit. Quicken means to vibrate, and although I sure don't mean it in the New Age sense, Spirit vibrates faster; probably faster than the speed of light.
We are quickened, or speeded up so that we can perceive thru the mind of Christ that is Spirit, the things of the Spirit, ie. being translated out of the Kingdom of darkness (darkness means ignorance, ie. the ignorance of the carnal mind about the things of the Spirit) and into the Kingdom of light, ie. the mind of Christ.
Fasting and seeking God breaks the control of the flesh over us, and the Spirit quickens us more. I experienced this phenomenal quickening when I fasted on carrots and water for 32 days when I found out my mother had cancer. It is hard to explain, but I was shocked to find that you can literally draw your life (life as in the force or strength of natural man) from the Spirit of God. I believe this is what was happening to Moses on His 40 day fasts on the mount of God. Blessings.....
Quote from: Molly on February 23, 2009, 09:46:13 PM
Quotewhere all it took was a command for a thought to become a reality, simply by calling it out.
We are there now. We just don't understand our great power. Could we transform this world overnight? Yes.
If everyone would take captive their own thoughts and bring them into submission to the mind of Christ, everything would change in a heartbeat.
But, right now, we are like a 5 year old with a loaded gun, firing wildly and un-consiously in all directions.
Absolutely and dead on Molly . . . I see the exact same as you. May we now begin calling out the sons of God . . .that these 5-year old religious kids grow into the maturity of a bride who can lay down her own desires for that of her groom . . .are we truly married to Christ? Or do we agree to the marriage so that we can gain the power of the name for our own benefit?
Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying,
Grace, grace unto it.
If you guys could indulge me for a bit--something I've been meditating on--
The original modern scientists, Isaac Newton et al, were able to describe a very mechanistic world mathematically. They were able to describe the relationships between two objects in terms of the laws of gravity and cause and effect and describe them mathematically, as inversely proportional to the distance between the objects and so forth. This gave rise to man's control over his physical world in a way not seen before. It also condemned man to a very mechanistic and carnal view of his world which is reinforced by the reality he 'sees.' If I let go of this pencil, it will drop to the ground and its behavior can be perfectly described--from what direction it will move in to how fast it will move as a function of its own physical properties.
This is the first level of reality. It is the carnal mind of man. And, it has given man great confidence in himself and his own abilities. If I can predict something, I am like God. If I can describe something that will always happen in the same way, I have discovered the laws of God.
In the last century, this view of matter started to fall apart as we started looking at smaller and smaller particles of matter. As the article describes, physicists started realizing something strange was going on that wasn't predictable. Heisenberg described a universe in which the observer of an experiment was changing the outcome of the experiment just by the nature of his observance of it. This he called 'the uncertainty principle' in all observations. This was seen on the atomic level. On a more massive scale, scientists began to realize that although they could accurately describe how two bodies would interact, like the earth and the moon, and could describe it mathematically, they really had no idea what was causing this force they called gravity.
As noted above, some scientists began to postulate gravity as some kind of change in the field around the bodies and caused by these bodies, a bending of space if you will, and that what we were seeing as gravity was really just these bodies moving through a warped field. In other words, their very presence bent the space around them. Others called what we see as concrete objects a blemish in the field, a bump in space, if you will.
If we were to picture the field as a fabric, and everything concrete within the field as something pushing the fabric up or down, then we can begin to see how these bumps in the fabric would be the anomaly, not the fabric itself. To those of us who could only see the bumps, (carnal mind), it would look like the bunps are the reality. But, to those who can see the field (mind of Christ), it is the field that is the reality.
Thus, to the extent that we become part of the fabric, we cease to be a bump in the fabric, causing a 'blemish' in it, and exerting an unholy force on the other bumps. That is,-- our highest destiny is to become in such total alignment with the fabric, that we are indistinguishable from it.
4Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
--Isa 40
:cloud9: Wow Molly, I had the same thought as your scripture before I got to it. I can see it! Blessings.....
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nKSq2tV1kE&feature=PlayList&p=619269F9476CE4B5&index=0
7 part series.
hope the link works
Ok, now, moving along a little further with this wildly popular theory, let's say that field by which all things consist, by which all things are held together, is the mind of Christ, and we are bumps in that field.
So, in our bumpiness, in our carnal minds, we are a slave to the bumpiness which is sin. We are kicking against the pricks, pushing against the fabric. We are a slave in that we are constrained to stay by place and time, sunk into the world, as a blemish in the field, and that is what sin is. We are literally a slave to sin, in other words. And, through our carnal eyes, we just see the bumps, not the field. So we look around and see the bumpiness of others, and this causes strife with our brothers. Hey look at your bumpiness. But, we see only the bumpiness of others because we are focusing on the bumps in the fabric instead of the fabric itself.
Matthew 7:4
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
The beam in our own eye is our own bumpiness.
This is what Christ is releasing us from.
So as the physicists have changed their focus from the bodies within space to space itself, that is the field, so should we.
Now consider this--if we have become so aligned with the field, with the mind of Christ, such that we are a level plain with the fabric itself, we are now released --
from time--
3And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
--Mark 9
and space--
Acts 8:39
And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
--Acts 8
And we are able to move instantly throughout the entire field as the LORD would send us, appearing and disappearing as the Spirit moves us, because our appearance as bumpiness is no longer sin, but the will of God.
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
--John 10
:cloud9: I see it as the bump not being sin, but the BODY of sin, ie. our flesh. If we have a glorified body where corruption has swallowed up corruption, then we would be one with the "field" on all counts, and then able to transcend time and space? Blessings....
Yes, exactly, better said..---
But, you see, Philip was not dead when he was translated [raptured] from one city to another.
And, neither was Jesus when he walked invisibly through the crowd that wished to kill him.
29The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
31Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.
--Eze 22
He looks for someone who will stand in the gap and finds none.
What is the gap?
Obviously it is a discontinuity between man and God.
We know Moses stood in the gap, before God on behalf of Israel.
Could we think of it also in terms of the field we have been describing?
If the space between two bodies (earth and moon, for instance) is warped by those bodies, this creates a discontinuity that repels as well as attracks, keeping them a fixed distance from each other, always separated by space. Is that space the gap?
And, if one could stand there, on the field itself between the two bodies,--the mind of Christ whose only apparent distortion is caused by the bodies themselves-- could he make a bridge between one body and the other by relating them both to the field itself?
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
--Gal 3
Faith is the 'stuff,' the substance and the evidence, the blossomed seed, that relates us to the field--the mind of Christ.
Quote from: Molly on February 24, 2009, 01:27:16 AM
Yes, exactly, better said..---
But, you see, Philip was not dead when he was translated [raptured] from one city to another.
And, neither was Jesus when he walked invisibly through the crowd that wished to kill him.
No, but Phillip might have been dead to self by that point. It is given unto men to die once, then the resurrection. No one said it had to be a literal death. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on February 24, 2009, 07:28:25 AM
Quote from: Molly on February 24, 2009, 01:27:16 AM
Yes, exactly, better said..---
But, you see, Philip was not dead when he was translated [raptured] from one city to another.
And, neither was Jesus when he walked invisibly through the crowd that wished to kill him.
No, but Phillip might have been dead to self by that point. It is given unto men to die once, then the resurrection. No one said it had to be a literal death. Blessings....
ah, yes! It could be. I was always afraid to die to self. I imagined it meant being 'swallowed up' until I disappeared. But, that isn't what it is, is it? It is death that is swallowed up, and limitations, and all the bad stuff that traps us in the fabric, in one spot, unable to get free, victims of our own bumpiness. And, when that happens, death to self, we are then able to be ourselves, the unique one he made us to be--that's the victory in Christ.
God made me my own unique person because he loves uniqueness, he loves the detail in his universe, --he has such a big mind--containing every little detail down to the hairs on our heads which contain our own DNA, unlike any other person who ever lived.
He is amazing, isn't he? Dying to self means nothing other than to be free.
James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Quote from: Molly on February 24, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
ah, yes! It could be. I was always afraid to die to self. I imagined it meant being 'swallowed up' until I disappeared. But, that isn't what it is, is it? It is death that is swallowed up, and limitations, and all the bad stuff that traps us in the fabric, in one spot, unable to get free, victims of our own bumpiness. And, when that happens, death to self, we are then able to be ourselves, the unique one he made us to be--that's the victory in Christ.
God made me my own unique person because he loves uniqueness, he loves the detail in his universe, --he has such a big mind--containing every little detail down to the hairs on our heads which contain our own DNA, unlike any other person who ever lived.
He is amazing, isn't he? Dying to self means nothing other than to be free.
James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
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WOW.
Molly....
That.
was.
awesome.
Reading what you just wrote was like a little lightning bolt of electricity straight to my heart! (ok that sounds scary, but it was a good thing!) :laughing7:
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:cloud9: Amen Molly.....good post.....you're on fire tonight, girl! :thumbsup:
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Dying to self means nothing other than to be free.
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Another revelation! People who build their observation deck from a fallen perspective, see dying to self is to mean much self-discipline to everything that doesn't have God tatooed on it. Ya can't quite get them to see that man did not conjure up the ability to lust, or to "be" fleshly . . . we were born into it and it was bred into us. Which is to say that when we as humans do what humans do, when we cater to our flesh and such . . .God doesn't disdain us for being and doing what we were born to be and do. Religion is what gave our flesh it's power over us. If we could just grasp the fact that when Christ is invited "in" us . . .HE is who begins making changes on the inside which eventually manifest on the outside. We just simply "let" him do what he does best . . .transforming our hearts first, and everything else falls into alignment because we are created to have our spirit in dominion over our soul and our flesh . . .over our mind and our bodies.
Dying to the flesh . . .for me . . .is to stop giving power to the things that are not of the Spirit. Which is to say . . .stop focusing on them, stop worrying about why you can't shake a bad habit or a sinful thing from you .. . ignore it . . . die to it . . .when you stop PAYING attention to it, it will also die to you. And even that part of it must come "in" from the Father "above". Otherwise . .. it becomes a law again. If I take action as a result of my head rather than my heart, I'm setting myself up for failure . .but when we walk in the spirit, when we're "in" the spirit . . . you ever get into one of those worship services that are so powerful and strong that you wish you could just "live" in that . .you don't want it to stop, you don't want to go home . . .you just want to absorb as much of that as you can?? Notice that your "self" nature is no longer nagging at you? That your mind isn't accusing you anymore when you're in that "state" of worship?
It's because when you worship . . .you are feeding your spirit and not your flesh. Which ever one you feed, that's the one that has the control over you. When you walk in the spirit . . .flesh can't control . .and when flesh can't control, freedom then takes the throne in you and grace abounds . .you're still human, you still screw up . . .but there's no power in it anymore because you finally killed it when you stopped feeding into it. Let Freedom Ring!!
:cloud9: Yes.....dying to self is really all about the motive being cleansed. We give whatever it is to Him, put it on the altar, and let Him take it from there. What He does is cleanse the motive of it and "give" it back to us.
I have shared this example before, but stubbornness and I were best friends for a long time. If you had looked in the dictionary under that word, you would have found a picture of a mule and me, not necessarily in that order. I was aware of it, and cursed that thing constantly, seeking to have the Lord deliver me of it.
One day, in the midst of my cursing the darkness, the Lord spoke to me and told me HE had left it there because He had need of it. He showed me how the stubbornness had been used every time I hit a "bump" in the road with Him, felt defeated, got ridiculed, thought about going back to before I knew Him and so much seemed to be expected of me, ect. It was part of the strength I was drawing from in those times, and I didn't even know it.
My "enemy" was actually a thing of beauty in the Master's hand, because I had offered it up to Him to be consumed in the fire of His Spirit, and He had consumed it, cleansed the motive of it, and made it part of the Rock I stand on. What an awesome God we serve, who is able to take the base things of the "world" (that we are) that held us in bondage, and turn them into something magnificent in Christ! No wonder then it says to agree with your adversary while you are in the way with him. Blessings.....
Quote from: Cardinal on February 24, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
:cloud9: Yes.....dying to self is really all about the motive being cleansed. We give whatever it is to Him, put it on the altar, and let Him take it from there. What He does is cleanse the motive of it and "give" it back to us.
I have shared this example before, but stubbornness and I were best friends for a long time. If you had looked in the dictionary under that word, you would have found a picture of a mule and me, not necessarily in that order. I was aware of it, and cursed that thing constantly, seeking to have the Lord deliver me of it.
One day, in the midst of my cursing the darkness, the Lord spoke to me and told me HE had left it there because He had need of it. He showed me how the stubbornness had been used every time I hit a "bump" in the road with Him, felt defeated, got ridiculed, thought about going back to before I knew Him and so much seemed to be expected of me, ect. It was part of the strength I was drawing from in those times, and I didn't even know it.
My "enemy" was actually a thing of beauty in the Master's hand, because I had offered it up to Him to be consumed in the fire of His Spirit, and He had consumed it, cleansed the motive of it, and made it part of the Rock I stand on. What an awesome God we serve, who is able to take the base things of the "world" (that we are) that held us in bondage, and turn them into something magnificent in Christ! No wonder then it says to agree with your adversary while you are in the way with him. Blessings.....
Wow! You're the first I've seen that has had the same thing happen to you. I first saw this with Paul's thorn . . and then the word "antidote" came to mind . . . it's like someone who has cancer and has to take "chemo" treatments to fight it off . . .the treatments are actually smaller doses of the very thing they're trying to rid their bodies of . . . but it's given in smaller doses to cause the body's immune system to build itself up to fight off the actual disease.
Chicken pocks . . .mumps, measles . . . all those shots they give you to avoid getting the disease are actually smaller doses of the very thing you don't want to catch. How is this relevant? There are things in us that "we" think God would be pleased if we removed them . .when in many cases . ..God is the one that put them there so that we would rely on his grace and not our own disciplines and egos. It's also connected with the wheat and tares in us . . . the things we think are nasty things in us that MUST be removed, are not the same things that God is trying to remove from us.
How much better am I if I finally was able to quit smoking . . .but I still have no patience for people? I'm not saying that it's okay to smoke . . . spiritually, does it really matter that much? Physically . .it'll kill you . . . but I'm leaning much more toward personality traits that need God's attention more than personal ticks and crutches. God leaves the ticks and crutches to assist in his purpose of bringing my relationship to a more healthy and mature place in him . . .it doesn't always fit natural logic . .but the more I get into the kingdom, the clearer it becomes that it isn't "just" his ways not my ways and this thoughts are not my thoughts . .but it's becoming more evident that his ways our "opposite" of my ways and his thoughts are "opposite" of my thoughts.
So if I take what logically makes sense to me . .flip it upside down . . . I will then get a glimpse of what it is God originally intended. It makes no sense to me to inject myself with the very disease I'm trying to avoid. It makes no sense to me that God would not remove Paul's thorn. But when I reverse the logic and state that God "needed" to leave Paul with the thorn . . . I "need" to inflict myself with the very thing I'm trying not to get . . .my head will usually just give up trying to figure it out . . .which then God begins "revealing" to my spirit what he was trying to get into me in the first place . .but my argumentative mind wouldn't allow it to enter unless it could be reasoned out first. Again . . .faith doesn't work in this kind of environment.
:cloud9: Amen Nathan. Just like it makes no sense that the "antidote" to death's sting (which is sin), would be the "anti-venom" of the cross. If we want to live, we have to first die. Up with God is down, and down with God is up. Blessings....
Hey Nathan, you hit a tender spot for me and I'd like your and Cards and whoevers take on it. You wrote......
If we could just grasp the fact that when Christ is invited "in" us . . .HE is who begins making changes on the inside which eventually manifest on the outside. We just simply "let" him do what he does best . . .transforming our hearts first......
This wording scares me. If I have to 'invite Christ in' and 'let Him.....' I feel as if I am doomed. In your opinion what will happen if I don't invite Christ in or let Him?
cp
:cloud9: Cp, for me it was this way. I did pray that way, not knowing what I was doing on a country road, alone, one night 23 years ago. And He met me where I was at.
But many years later, He showed me He was the spark in all men that come into the world, AND the measure of faith to receive Him. No where in there can you find to "ask Him in". This might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
For me personally, this revelation changed the way I talk to people, and apparently removed a great deal of condemnation right off the bat, and made them more receptive to hear. And I also think it brought more of an anointing to the message, or at least more anointing manifested tangibly. The Word is anointed and the closer we come to the Word that is Spirit and Truth, it stands to reason the more anointing would be released. I think the FULL gospel that the apostles taught has yet to be completely recovered in understanding, that only comes from the Spirit. My :2c: Blessings....
QuoteThis might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
Yeah can Rankle some...TO-RE-VEAL is to make Known whats already There..To RE-VEAL HIS
Son In
Me...paul says... :happygrin:
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Quote from: Taffy on February 26, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
QuoteThis might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
Yeah can Rankle some...TO-RE-VEAL is to make Known whats already There..To RE-VEAL HIS Son In Me...paul says... :happygrin:
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17Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
--Mat 15
It is the spirit which defiles the body, not the body which defiles the spirit.
Isn't that what he is saying?
This is why our warfare is a spiritual one because the battle is in the spiritual realm, not the physical realm.
People who are committing sin are literally not in their right minds. Forgive them, they know not what they do.
People who chose to do evil have defiled themselves to the point where they are full of darkness. That spark of light that is Christ has gone out and how great is that darkness! Then how will they escape the damnation of Hell? Their house is left to them desolate.
It is the spirit which defiles, not the body.
Therefore, take care!
44For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
--Luke 6
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
:cloud9: Cp, for me it was this way. I did pray that way, not knowing what I was doing on a country road, alone, one night 23 years ago. And He met me where I was at.
But many years later, He showed me He was the spark in all men that come into the world, AND the measure of faith to receive Him. No where in there can you find to "ask Him in". This might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
For me personally, this revelation changed the way I talk to people, and apparently removed a great deal of condemnation right off the bat, and made them more receptive to hear. And I also think it brought more of an anointing to the message, or at least more anointing manifested tangibly. The Word is anointed and the closer we come to the Word that is Spirit and Truth, it stands to reason the more anointing would be released. I think the FULL gospel that the apostles taught has yet to be completely recovered in understanding, that only comes from the Spirit. My :2c: Blessings....
Its a tricky situation for sure. I don't want to get out of any responsibility I have in this salvation process but it does seem to be all of God ultimately. What burns my britches is when people say God is love and if you don't let Him in or accept Him or whatever then you are doomed. I always argue that if God (Love) is not powerful enough to save me,
even from me not wanting to be saved, then what good is it?
cp
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
:cloud9: Cp, for me it was this way. I did pray that way, not knowing what I was doing on a country road, alone, one night 23 years ago. And He met me where I was at.
But many years later, He showed me He was the spark in all men that come into the world, AND the measure of faith to receive Him. No where in there can you find to "ask Him in". This might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
For me personally, this revelation changed the way I talk to people, and apparently removed a great deal of condemnation right off the bat, and made them more receptive to hear. And I also think it brought more of an anointing to the message, or at least more anointing manifested tangibly. The Word is anointed and the closer we come to the Word that is Spirit and Truth, it stands to reason the more anointing would be released. I think the FULL gospel that the apostles taught has yet to be completely recovered in understanding, that only comes from the Spirit. My :2c: Blessings....
Its a tricky situation for sure. I don't want to get out of any responsibility I have in this salvation process but it does seem to be all of God ultimately. What burns my britches is when people say God is love and if you don't let Him in or accept Him or whatever then you are doomed. I always argue that if God (Love) is not powerful enough to save me, even from me not wanting to be saved, then what good is it?
cp
what about "receive" him? do you see a difference between "receive" and "accept"?
Quote from: Zeek on February 26, 2009, 12:56:26 AM
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
:cloud9: Cp, for me it was this way. I did pray that way, not knowing what I was doing on a country road, alone, one night 23 years ago. And He met me where I was at.
But many years later, He showed me He was the spark in all men that come into the world, AND the measure of faith to receive Him. No where in there can you find to "ask Him in". This might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
For me personally, this revelation changed the way I talk to people, and apparently removed a great deal of condemnation right off the bat, and made them more receptive to hear. And I also think it brought more of an anointing to the message, or at least more anointing manifested tangibly. The Word is anointed and the closer we come to the Word that is Spirit and Truth, it stands to reason the more anointing would be released. I think the FULL gospel that the apostles taught has yet to be completely recovered in understanding, that only comes from the Spirit. My :2c: Blessings....
Its a tricky situation for sure. I don't want to get out of any responsibility I have in this salvation process but it does seem to be all of God ultimately. What burns my britches is when people say God is love and if you don't let Him in or accept Him or whatever then you are doomed. I always argue that if God (Love) is not powerful enough to save me, even from me not wanting to be saved, then what good is it?
cp
what about "receive" him? do you see a difference between "receive" and "accept"?
I do believe we must receive Him or accept Him (same thing to me) but where will my desire and power come from to do this?
cp
Quote from: Zeek on February 26, 2009, 12:55:50 AM
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Luk 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
Luk 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness.
Luk 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
Luk 11:36 If thy whole body therefore [be] full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 12:59:17 AM
Quote from: Zeek on February 26, 2009, 12:56:26 AM
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
:cloud9: Cp, for me it was this way. I did pray that way, not knowing what I was doing on a country road, alone, one night 23 years ago. And He met me where I was at.
But many years later, He showed me He was the spark in all men that come into the world, AND the measure of faith to receive Him. No where in there can you find to "ask Him in". This might rankle some, but the fact is, He is already there, but does not quicken or make alive this revelation until that heart turns unto the Lord. To quicken or make alive, means we awakened to truth, and the first truth we awaken to is that He is Lord and we are accepted in the Beloved. This is why it says nothing including death can separate us from the Lord, because He is already there with us.
For me personally, this revelation changed the way I talk to people, and apparently removed a great deal of condemnation right off the bat, and made them more receptive to hear. And I also think it brought more of an anointing to the message, or at least more anointing manifested tangibly. The Word is anointed and the closer we come to the Word that is Spirit and Truth, it stands to reason the more anointing would be released. I think the FULL gospel that the apostles taught has yet to be completely recovered in understanding, that only comes from the Spirit. My :2c: Blessings....
Its a tricky situation for sure. I don't want to get out of any responsibility I have in this salvation process but it does seem to be all of God ultimately. What burns my britches is when people say God is love and if you don't let Him in or accept Him or whatever then you are doomed. I always argue that if God (Love) is not powerful enough to save me, even from me not wanting to be saved, then what good is it?
cp
what about "receive" him? do you see a difference between "receive" and "accept"?
I do believe we must receive Him or accept Him (same thing to me) but where will my desire and power come from to do this?
cp
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Maybe as EVE WAS brought TO Adam, The Church(us) are DRAWN to HIM....Kinda reminds me of a Peacock..call it MALE magnitism :icon_flower:
Pro 4:11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.
Pro 4:12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.
Pro 4:13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Pro 4:14 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.
Pro 4:15 Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
Pro 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.
Pro 4:20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.
Pro 4:21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.
Pro 4:22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
Pro 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
Pro 4:24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
Pro 4:25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.
Pro 4:26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.
Pro 4:27 Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil.
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
ya on a roll Zeek :icon_flower:
:cloud9: I see a difference between receive Him and accept Him, Zeek. I think we receive Him as a bride receives her husband. We were already betrothed to Him (He is the light of all men that come into the world), but just like in the arranged marriages of the time, many times they did not see their husband fully until their wedding day (initial revelation). They might steal a glance at him at the markets, ect., but they were not allowed to intermix.
This is as the Shulamite in Song of Solomon, where she is dark but comely (our soul in darkness/ignorance of Him) and she sees Him fleetingly, through the lattice (in part). Then as it progresses, her attributes change as she draws closer and closer to her beloved. Blessings....
...keep them [my words] in the midst of thine heart.
Pro 4:22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
--Gen 2
15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16And the LORD God commanded the man [al Adam], saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
--Gen 2
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
:cloud9: I see a difference between receive Him and accept Him, Zeek. I think we receive Him as a bride receives her husband. We were already betrothed to Him (He is the light of all men that come into the world), but just like in the arranged marriages of the time, many times they did not see their husband fully until their wedding day (initial revelation). They might steal a glance at him at the markets, ect., but they were not allowed to intermix.
This is as the Shulamite in Song of Solomon, where she is dark but comely (our soul in darkness/ignorance of Him) and she sees Him fleetingly, through the lattice (in part). Then as it progresses, her attributes change as she draws closer and closer to her beloved. Blessings....
Come to the Point Girl :HeartThrob:...... :icon_flower: :cloud9:
Quote from: Cardinal on February 26, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
:cloud9: I see a difference between receive Him and accept Him, Zeek. I think we receive Him as a bride receives her husband. We were already betrothed to Him (He is the light of all men that come into the world), but just like in the arranged marriages of the time, many times they did not see their husband fully until their wedding day (initial revelation). They might steal a glance at him at the markets, ect., but they were not allowed to intermix.
This is as the Shulamite in Song of Solomon, where she is dark but comely (our soul in darkness/ignorance of Him) and she sees Him fleetingly, through the lattice (in part). Then as it progresses, her attributes change as she draws closer and closer to her beloved. Blessings....
i was looking at the different words in greek for receive, and one is a passive reception and one is an active reception, "to take".
for example:
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
G2983
λαμβάνω
lambanō
lam-ban'-o
A prolonged form of a primary verb, which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses;
to take (in very many applications, literally and figuratively [probably objective or
active, to get hold of; whereas
G1209 is rather subjective or passive, to have offered to one; while G138 is more violent, to seize or remove]): - accept, + be amazed, assay, attain, bring, X when I call, catch, come on (X unto), + forget, have, hold, obtain, receive (X after), take (away, up).
thanks for your reply, i'm gonna look into this some more.
:grin:
Z
Lambano is an important word.
But as many as [lambano] received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...
--John 1
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
His words, the tree of life, are in the midst of our hearts--the holy of holies--yes, that's right, isn't it?
But, we cannot go in there without the high priest? without the covering of the mercy seat?
Without being sufficiently purified--it is the most holy place--without a pure heart.
But, every man has a conscience, even those who do evil all day long.
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Quote from: Molly on February 26, 2009, 06:05:16 AM
Lambano is an important word.
But as many as [lambano] received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...
--John 1
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Hey Molly, where do I get the pure heart? I do need to receive Him but where does this ability to receive Him come from?
How does one get a pure heart?
cp
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Molly on February 26, 2009, 06:05:16 AM
Lambano is an important word.
But as many as [lambano] received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...
--John 1
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Hey Molly, where do I get the pure heart? I do need to receive Him but where does this ability to receive Him come from?
How does one get a pure heart?
cp
Are we not the WORK of HIS HANDS,....A NEW Heart given? :HeartThrob:
Christ rising from the Tomb , Mary SEEING the Gardener ,but Not yet of the Understanding who fulfils the Fathers( will & works) as HE who works through the TRUE earth , the Hearts of those born of Him.
Seems after HEARING HIS **voice*** , she
TURNS around and then recognises HIM
Mat 5:8 Blessed [are] the
pure in heart: for
they shall see(understand) God. :icon_flower:
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
G5335
φάσκω
phaskō
fas'-ko
Prolongation from the same as G5346; to assert: - affirm, profess, say.
Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
Adam was not deceived.
now Eve, ?? different story??
Quote from: Taffy on February 26, 2009, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Molly on February 26, 2009, 06:05:16 AM
Lambano is an important word.
But as many as [lambano] received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God...
--John 1
John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Hey Molly, where do I get the pure heart? I do need to receive Him but where does this ability to receive Him come from?
How does one get a pure heart?
cp
Are we not the WORK of HIS HANDS,....A NEW Heart given? :HeartThrob:
Christ rising from the Tomb , Mary SEEING the Gardener ,but Not yet of the Understanding who fulfils the Fathers( will & works) as HE who works through the TRUE earth , the Hearts of those born of Him.
Seems after HEARING HIS **voice*** , she TURNS around and then recognises HIM
Mat 5:8 Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see(understand) God.
:icon_flower:
24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25Then will
I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
--Eze 36
Isaiah 65:2
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
12But as many as received [lambano] him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
--John 1
Isaiah 65
9And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
That's what I like to hear. I need a God who will rescue me from myself.
cp
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 05:17:08 PM
That's what I like to hear. I need a God who will rescue me from myself.
cp
God is greater than what we hope to be. When there is a disaster like a huge storm. we know there are people who get stranded in their cars that probably knew better than to get out and drive.
Do we then withhold their "salvation" because of that, or is it the right thing to do to save them anyway. Is it too late for them because they knew better and the storm already came, so too bad?
I mean, is God actually worse or better than that?
Yeah.... Better than we can imagine.
Quote from: claypot on February 26, 2009, 05:17:08 PM
That's what I like to hear. I need a God who will rescue me from myself.
cp
Lambano is not a passive verb.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
--Eze 36
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
--Rev 21
28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
--Eze 36
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
--Rev 21
Paul and Molly, your encouragement and insight is appreciated. Let me go a step further and hope that even as I resist God He will save me. Let me go even further and hope that even as I intentionally do things contrary to Him, He will save me.
Molly, you quoted some of my favorite verses from Ez 36. I need a heart transplant like no other.
cp
The dead do not raise themselves from the grave.
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on March 02, 2009, 10:14:47 AM
The dead do not raise themselves from the grave.
Amen RA.
cp