Revelation 6:15-16. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
??????
I really don't understand revelation.
Does the Lamb really have to strike back?
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THE WRATH OF THE LAMB!!!!!
:Chinscratch:
:eek:
:laugh:
:icon_jokercolor:
If we werent so stubborn, He could just sweet talk us all into line :laugh:
Quote from: eaglesway on January 23, 2014, 06:46:02 AM
If we werent so stubborn, He could just sweet talk us all into line :laugh:
Well the Lamb herding us like cows would not be nearly as awful.
1 Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Yup that has to be it. The paradox of the tough guys of the world getting beat up by a lamb.
Hi Ed and John
for me beliving this , the wrath of the Lamb will be putting all enemies under His feet / VICTORY OVER death/every mans reward for sin and by His Word teaching /giving His Life to them /Spirit and truth in their hearts a true treasure that is incorruuptible cannot be destroyed , and this helps me NLT see it even more plainly :thumbsup:
1Cr 15:20 But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died.
1Cr 15:21 So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man.
1Cr 15:22 Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life.
1Cr 15:23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.
1Cr 15:24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.
1Cr 15:25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.
1Cr 15:26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death.
1Cr 15:27 For the Scriptures say, "God has put all things under his authority." [fn] (Of course, when it says "all things are under his authority," that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.)
1Cr 15:28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
Quote from: ed on January 23, 2014, 06:16:48 AM
Revelation 6:15-16. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
??????
I really don't understand revelation.
Does the Lamb really have to strike back?
.
I think this has alot to do with what we saw in Revelation 19, and compared to the following scripture:
John 3
19"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and
men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light
FOR FEAR that his deeds will be exposed. 21"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
Truth can come across as very wrathful to people whose deeds are evil, because it exposes. So they would rather hide in the darkness.
so the Lamb is destroying the FALSE / LIARS AND THOSE trying to as GOD giving glory to His Holy heavenly Father all the while by HIS WORD /SWORD !
here in these verses we can see the SWORD / WORD OF GOD out of HIS MOUTH , we hear His Voice as sheep and we hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches the seed is the Word of God incorruptible
and when the seed /word of God is planted in your heart it becomes the Christ in you the hope of glory to our FATHER AS WELL , from enemies of the cross to friends , brothers and servants , vessels fit for the masters use
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
two edeged doing both at the same time the killing the old man of sin who is being as God and making ALVE a new creature in Christ .
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
its the TRUTH AND SPIRIT waging war against the false and liars !! fake imposters that the docrtine of devils has polluted with lies against God , we can see several examples in the Old testament , Elijah , Moses etc ..
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
death has no place for the fear and tormesnt of it IS ITS only power over a man whom sin has entered , when the Wrtah of the Lamb comes to destroy death and its rider and the horse / spirit it rode in on !!!
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
those whom dwell on the earth veses those whom are now seated with Christ in heavenly places !! , its a mindset that is how we think and act on !
n fear or in faith and loyalty to Jesus to save us and make a way to the Father !
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
till they submit to the will of God though Jesus Christ every son that is recived is chastened of the Lord and for our own benefit !
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
now this one is tricky , if you dont see this , its hard to understand , but we know that no flesh pleases God , so the fowls of the air eat up the flesh and make what ?
a new creature in Christ that is not flesh and blood anylonger , but born again of Spirit and truth , its the two edged Sword that kills and makes ALIVE this is what the new heavens and earth are made of saints /holy ones that are gathered in Christ and are subject to HIM !! under His feet authority and rule which is the victroy song in heaven !!
power over satan /adversary the liar and father of it and murderer from the begining !!
out with the old and in with the NEW ! JESUS makes all things new and presented alive to the Father to his glory !!! :dsunny: shining lightness and no darkness at all anylonger
Quote from: Seth on January 23, 2014, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: ed on January 23, 2014, 06:16:48 AM
Revelation 6:15-16. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
??????
I really don't understand revelation.
Does the Lamb really have to strike back?
.
I think this has alot to do with what we saw in Revelation 19, and compared to the following scripture:
John 3
19"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20"For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light FOR FEAR that his deeds will be exposed. 21"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
Truth can come across as very wrathful to people whose deeds are evil, because it exposes. So they would rather hide in the darkness.
wow posting at the same time and agree seth , the darkness is swallowed up in the LIGHT / KNOWLEDGE OF GOD though Jesus Christ for the Victory song !!
one more sinner who repents changes his mind / heart towards God
Yup, out with the old, in with the new. It's so natural for the flesh to resist that. It's within man to resist letting go of his flesh. It's like our prized possession, but God isn't having it. I believe one of the biggest resistances to the Gospel is the idea that we have to disregard that which has been our rock and our comfort, and move into the Spirit.
Nobody wants to be told what to believe, what to do....Everyone wants to hide in their own rock, in their own cave and fear the light.
The wrath of the lamb is in a CUP, which everyone must DRINK. Jesus drank it in his physical flesh, but his disciples drank it at his table in a spiritual way, and soon enough everyone will drink from the cup of God's wrath and be saved from the flesh.
Quote from: Seth on January 23, 2014, 06:18:46 PM
Yup, out with the old, in with the new. It's so natural for the flesh to resist that. It's within man to resist letting go of his flesh. It's like our prized possession, but God isn't having it. I believe one of the biggest resistances to the Gospel is the idea that we have to disregard that which has been our rock and our comfort, and move into the Spirit.
Nobody wants to be told what to believe, what to do....Everyone wants to hide in their own rock, in their own cave and fear the light.
The wrath of the lamb is in a CUP, which everyone must DRINK. Jesus drank it in his physical flesh, but his disciples drank it at his table in a spiritual way, and soon enough everyone will drink from the cup of God's wrath and be saved from the flesh.
Yes Seth , we MUST eat His body and drink His Blood that we might have LIFE in us !!
and we do this till the Lord in revealed in us and to us !! His return to gather into Himself His own :winkgrin:
Yup and the whole world must drink from that cup :dsunny:
Quote from: Seth on January 23, 2014, 06:27:51 PM
Yup and the whole world must drink from that cup :dsunny:
amen to that ! :dsunny: what a glorious GOD we serve !! His perfect work that we ALL may understand it !! :HeartThrob:
Wow. You folks are blowing my mind.
Thanks you for your time.
Awesome perspective.
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Great stuff.
The 1000 years...................real or figurative? When is the return of Christ that Paul talks of?
Mixing threads here but when your hot, your hot!
I believe there will be two resurrections because there is a pattern discussed in Hebrews 8 and continues in chapter 9. This is why Christ returns a second time: because everyone is destined once to die, then the judgment. So, he is fitting the pattern by coming back a second time. There is a very strong pattern of TWO in the Bible. Two Covenants, Two Sons, Sheep and Goats, Wheat and Tares, Isaac and Ishmael, the free-woman and the bond-woman, Mt. Sinai and Mt. Zion, so on..
So, I do believe there will be two resurrections. But, will the reign be 1,000 years literally? I don't know. There is reason to believe the the number 1,000 represents totality, or completeness (ie our deliverance form sin starts in the flesh and is completed at our resurrection with new bodies):
Isaiah 60:21-22
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever (olam), the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time. (signifying growth from weakness into great strength)
Psalm 50:10
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. (signifying totality, God owns the cattle on all hills, not literally just a thousand)
Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. (signifying that one day in his courts is better than all days in tents of wickedness)
So maybe the reign is not necessarily a literal thousand years, but signifies the strengthening, or completeness of those who are in the blessed first resurrection and are not hurt unto the second death. As for when this all happens, I really don't know.
Quote from: ed on January 23, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
Great stuff.
The 1000 years...................real or figurative? When is the return of Christ that Paul talks of?
Mixing threads here but when your hot, your hot!
Hi Ed , God bless your heart!! many questions that we all ask , and believe me have asked the Lord for HIS Wisdom and understanding on so many of these things and many years asking and searching them out , to just grasp a little bit of it and settle within our own hearts His Truth and Spirit , because this kind of stuff causes us to be ''restless '' in not knowing the ways of God
one thing I always believed from the begining was I dont know how God will do this perfect work , but I trust God that is IS PERFECT !! Complete entire and lacks nothing !!
the thousand year reign of Christ ,to me and have read many perspectives on that subject and nothing quite settled so secure as to what it was
But asking God and the Holy Spirit leading into His Word , has helped me to understand this much and will share it
it does not fit alot of folks '' train of thought ''but it sure does ''comfort me'' to understand this much , but you must ask the Lord for yourself , to show you '' Himself ''.
First there are a few simple truths you get first , it took a while to just get them simple truths as building blocks of faith I will call them :Peace2:
the days of our flesh and how God shortened the days or no flesh would be saved
Adam lived 930 years and died Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. in Psalms 90 we see that God in His mercy made the days of our flesh 70 or 80 by strength , shortened them days .
I took the 930 of Adam and added the 70 and its 1000 YEARS as is a DAY unto the Lord the LORDS DAY , So is Israel into captivity in Babylon for 70 years also [those days of their flesh
some die in the flesh still being slaves to Babylon , just as some die literally before the 70 years as promised in Psalms
what we need to understand is the destrution of our flesh is not a bad thing , but realize that no good thing dwells in our flesh as Paul states and that satan can destroy our flesh as God gave that portin of the dust for his food [ Gen 3;14 -15 serpent on its belly eat dust all the days of its life ] and what can the serpent eat when you are no longer dust ? dust you are and dust you shall return in old Adam , look at Job for an example and Paul sating turn one over to satan for the destruction of his flesh[dust is scattered ] so in the DAY of the Lord he will be saved
NLT for clarity
though I do love the way all the different versions can help or hinder us to either get it or place more doubt , thats when you just got to trust and pray to God for some revealing His mysterious plan of salvation to us and be patient and wait on the Lord . He is not slack in keeping His promises .
Psa 90:1 A prayer of Moses, the man of God.
Lord, through all the generations
you have been our home!
Psa 90:2
Before the mountains were born,
before you gave birth to the earth and the world,
from beginning to end, you are God. Psa 90:3
You turn people back to dust, saying,
"Return to dust, you mortals!" Psa 90:4
For you, a thousand years are as a passing day,
as brief as a few night hours. Psa 90:5 You sweep people away like dreams that disappear.
They are like grass that springs up in the morning.
Psa 90:6 In the morning it blooms and flourishes,
but by evening it is dry and withered.
Psa 90:7 We wither beneath your anger;
we are overwhelmed by your fury.
Psa 90:8 You spread out our sins before you—
our secret sins—and you see them all.
Psa 90:9 We live our lives beneath your wrath,
ending our years with a groan.
Psa 90:10
Seventy years are given to us!
Some even live to eighty.
But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble;
soon they disappear, and we fly away.
Psa 90:11 Who can comprehend the power of your anger?
Your wrath is as awesome as the fear you deserve.
Psa 90:12
Teach us to realize the brevity of life,
so that we may grow in wisdom. Psa 90:13 O LORD, come back to us!
How long will you delay?
Take pity on your servants!
Psa 90:14 Satisfy us each morning with your unfailing love,
so we may sing for joy to the end of our lives.
Psa 90:15 Give us gladness in proportion to our former misery!
Replace the evil years with good.
Psa 90:16 Let us, your servants, see you work again;
let our children see your glory.
Psa 90:17 And may the Lord our God show us his approval
and make our efforts successful.
Yes, make our efforts successful!
Psa 90:4 For
a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecc 6:6 Yea,
though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2Pe 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I believ its just trying to grasp the thoughts of the way God is teaching us new creatures in Christ its a new and living way , that we can put no stock in this flesh nor this very temporary world , that when Jesus said I am the ressurection and the Life , and though you may die , YOU WILL LIVE Do you believe Me !! I DO JESUS I really do
the Day of the Lord is when we are made in His IMAGE and not the old adam any longer , our hope is not in this life but in HIM , we are Hid in Him
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and
bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit,
and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. all of Rev 20 is amazing , for me I believe those whom go straight to Jesus and stand before Him Daniel saw this vision in DAN 7 !
I dont understand all of it but also believe those clothed in White are what make up the great white throne judgment , you shall judge angels [messengers ] and the likes of the firey stream that issues forth ,
I do believe that where there was no law there was no trasgression , because knowledge of the Law is the knowledge of sin and many have never been given that , so the aquittal is what they get , mercy without Judgment
I believe we are accountable for what God gives us in this , to KNOW to do good and do it not this is SIN / error
this is how all will be judged in my opinion , those works whom the Fire of which God is love and Spirit and a consuming fire we are also becoming the fire [ look how Jesus is described in rev ! His eyes are a fire and feet as burnished bronze , we know by the transfiguration , when they witnessed His brightness and glow and described this in human terms thats hard to express
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the
rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death
hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, again to decieve the nations
I believe the first ressurrection is being apart of the BODY OF CHRIST , and there is no harm done to them whom are already become a part of Him and how He is described as being , His firey ministers /partakers with Him ! they cannot be decieved anylonger ! the Cross to me is the most pivotal Being of vital or central importance; crucial point anyone who is a believer can get and understand , its changed the course of everything !!!
the dead still dont know anything still in fear /torment , but its the LORD WHOM SAVES THEM IN THE END
a change is going to come !! we can bank on all shall SEE HIM AS HE IS SEEN !
Just some thoughts on the 1000 years , again its just some thoughts about this
again we were writing at the same time !!! :dsunny:
with God all things are possible
Quote from: Seth on January 23, 2014, 11:02:59 PM
Psalm 50:10
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. (signifying totality, God owns the cattle on all hills, not literally just a thousand)
Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. (signifying that one day in his courts is better than all days in tents of wickedness)[/color]
So maybe the reign is not necessarily a literal thousand years, but signifies the strengthening, or completeness of those who are in the blessed first resurrection and are not hurt unto the second death. As for when this all happens, I really don't know.
Regarding the word 'aleph' which means thousand, when used as a Hebrew idiom, that is exactly what it means, the entirety or totality of something. I will leave it to others to decide whether that is the meaning Yochanan had in mind in his writing.
Ronen
Wow.
Thanks for taking the time to expound.
Blows my mind that what the Spirit is doing in me and I perceive intuitively is illuminated by those who have put in the time in the scriptures.
Beautiful work. Thank you all.
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Quote from: rosered on January 23, 2014, 11:44:20 PM
again we were writing at the same time !!! :dsunny:
with God all things are possible
Your posts are like chicken soup for me :dsunny:
Quote from: gregoryfl on January 23, 2014, 11:46:25 PM
Quote from: Seth on January 23, 2014, 11:02:59 PM
Psalm 50:10
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. (signifying totality, God owns the cattle on all hills, not literally just a thousand)
Psalm 84:10
For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. (signifying that one day in his courts is better than all days in tents of wickedness)[/color]
So maybe the reign is not necessarily a literal thousand years, but signifies the strengthening, or completeness of those who are in the blessed first resurrection and are not hurt unto the second death. As for when this all happens, I really don't know.
Regarding the word 'aleph' which means thousand, when used as a Hebrew idiom, that is exactly what it means, the entirety or totality of something. I will leave it to others to decide whether that is the meaning Yochanan had in mind in his writing.
Ronen
:thumbsup: Me too. I just think the thousand year reign is mysterious. I don't want to discount the idea of a literal reign of 1,000 years, but the way Revelation is written, it just seems to lean toward the understanding of the completion of the the saints and their empowerment.
Quote from: ed on January 24, 2014, 12:13:47 AM
Wow.
Thanks for taking the time to expound.
Blows my mind that what the Spirit is doing in me and I perceive intuitively is illuminated by those who have put in the time in the scriptures.
Beautiful work. Thank you all.
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I believe its the Lords Spirit moving within us all Ed and moving and shaking those things that need to be removed and placing His unmovable ROCK OF SALVATION within us all whom hear His Voice showing you just how much He loves you bro and us , no lie 3 days ago before the Lord sent some ministering spirits in my sis and old friend and niece , , I was dead inside , you could have blown my flesh as dust in a windstorm !!! and was asking for His help and now today a chatter box :doh:
Gods Spirit moves and shakes us and its a good thing not a bad thing at all , the flesh is just afraid but the Spirit is ready and willing and able
NLT for clarity Hebrews 12 God is awesome !!!
12:18 You have not come to a physical mountain, to a place of flaming fire, darkness, gloom, and whirlwind, as the Israelites did at Mount Sinai.
Hbr 12:19 For they heard an awesome trumpet blast and a voice so terrible that they begged God to stop speaking.
Hbr 12:20 They staggered back under God's command: "If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death."
Hbr 12:21 Moses himself was so frightened at the sight that he said, "I am terrified and trembling."
Hbr 12:22
No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering.
Hbr 12:23
You have come to the assembly of God's firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect. Hbr 12:24
You have come to Jesus,
the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel. Hbr 12:25 Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger,
we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven! Hbr 12:26 When God spoke from Mount Sinai his voice shook the earth, but now he makes another promise:
"Once again I will shake not only the earth but the heavens also."
Hbr 12:27
This means that all of creation will be shaken and removed, so that only unshakable things will remain. Hbr 12:28
Since we are receiving a Kingdom that is unshakable, let us be thankful and please God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe. Hbr 12:29 For our God is a devouring fire.
We are building our trust and faith in the Rock solid truth of Jesus Christ unshakable and removing doubts !! :dsunny:
I wanted to clarify something about the dead Ed , many think its to do with the literal death of humans but I am not so certain about that any more
to me the dead are here and now dead in their sins so to speak
and this is why the dead do not rise again till the Lord comes
here is this scripture that shed a new Light on that verse in Rev 20 Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
NLT for clarity
Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
Eph 5:2 Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us [fn] and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God.
Eph 5:3 Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God's people.
Eph 5:4 Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
Eph 5:5 You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.
Eph 5:6 Don't be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.
Eph 5:7 Don't participate in the things these people do.
Eph 5:8 For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!
Eph 5:9 For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.
Eph 5:10 Carefully determine what pleases the Lord.
Eph 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
Eph 5:12 It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret.
Eph 5:13 But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them,
Eph 5:14 for the light makes everything visible. This is why it is said,
"Awake, O sleeper,
rise up from the dead,
and Christ will give you light."
Eph 5:15 So be careful how you live. Don't live like fools, but like those who are wise.
Eph 5:16 Make the most of every opportunity in these evil days.
Eph 5:17 Don't act thoughtlessly, but understand what the Lord wants you to do
when Jesus said let the dead bury the dead , but YOU follow Me
we can see its the literal dead and the spiritual dead that Jesus was talking about
so both apply to me in the first ressurrection ''rise from the dead so Christ will give you LIGHT /knowledge of Gods will '' and the second death that follows and a power to be causing hurt /harm
We are not appointed to wrath, as believers, and discipline is not wrath. If you do a study on the actual word wrath (orge, Grk, if my memory serves) it means literally, outbreak.
I see it as an outbreak of light that dispels darkness, which is the cloak of adversaries, and their strength. I do not discount, either, that God expresses anger- anyone who reads the scriptures with a moderately open mind will see that He does. We are a lot like Him :o)(created in His image). We are instructed nNot to let anger lead us into sin and not to let the sun go down on our wrath....
Yet multitudes believe God's wrath will endure forever.
Yet the word of God says that mercy will triumph over judgment and death will be swallowed by immortality and that after every adversary is subject to the Lord Jesus(1 Cor 15), reconciled to the Father by His blood(Colossians 1) and gathered into one in Christ(Eph 1) that the whole creation will be set free into the glorious liberty of the children of God(Ro 8) and God will be ALL IN ALL(Rom 11:32-36 and 1 Corinthians 15:23-28).
Good News of God's good will towards men.
Yet, the potter will crush the clay on the wheel if it is not taking the shape He intends for it and I see the whole world that way. Every age ends in a crushing and the next begins with shaping in the hands of the one who holds the whole world in His hands.
It is Finished! The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God and His Messiah! Happy days to come, for all the world, and tho for a moment wrath may be seen by many.....
When you see these things come to pass go up on your roof, do not go down into your house for your things, REJOICE, for your redemption is drawing near.
Up On A Rooooof, Up On A Roof :o)
rosered that is the most beautiful heresy I have ever heard!
I was primed to hear it, and apparently you were appointed, and kicked into action!
It is a wonderful thing to be humbled right on time.
Nice to know God is still into that for me.
Something totally new rarely comes along.
Glad I'm still teachable.
Really cool. Can't say enough.
and from eaglesway: Up On A Rooooof, Up On A Roof!!!!!
Dear Ed , so glad you can hear what the Spirit is saying , I too felt the same excitment and quickining and I dont know it all , I would be a liar if I said I did ! but am still teachable as well , for the Lord sends His Word by His Spirit to help us in many voices from above , His Voice is like may waters [ waters of Life '' ] and the flowing of His message is vital for Spiritual growth in Truth and grace within us all
I started to post and it got soooooo long , but just want to clarify this part that helped me the most and cleared up alot of confusion as to whay I do believe Jesus [The LAMB OF GOD ] is Judging in righteousness right now and seperating the sheep and goats now , Because the judgment begins in the House of God first and those in Babylon are reciving the wrath of the Lamb in the presence of the Holy angels and share it with you ,
I can only say this because of Jesus own words , when he said the scribes /readers of the WORD and pharassies / seperatisit sit in moses seat [judging according to the flesh ]
was warned who will deliver you from the wrath to come , we know that those types are still in that seat today and those whom are seated with Christ in heavenly places , those also are with Him judging in righteousness
Here is the proof that Jesus has sent the fire on the earth already !!! and the judgment began the baptism of the CROSS , where we are dead in Christ and dead to sin by faith in Jesus Christ and His sheep , just as Paul and Peter and John explains it , to many verese to put up here [angels messengers of God declaring the witness by the Holy Spirit in His WORD
But blessed are the dead who die in the LORD from now on , this is what the CROSS OF CHRIST changed for all of mankind !! its now to me in so many ways and on going till the end till Babylon is destroyed in everyone of us ..
I love the NLT bible for clarity , rememeber a time when I never used anything but the KJV , that was limiting the the process of learning for me , I now have several versions and compare them verses , and blessed by the outcome !! we do limit our learning by listening to others who hold back the Kingdom of God and wont enter themselves either :sigh: Just as Jesus said sadly enough
LUKE 12 NLT for clarity that Jesus has sent the fires of division judgment between the sheep and goats , the difference for me was dwelling in the fire of Gods glory and Light and yes judgments to the sheep in His chasting love , every son recieved is scourged and chastened by His wonderful wisdom to help us grow as children of the most High God and the goats are being exposed for what they are goats , depart from me you workers of iniquity I never knew you , never obeyed His command to love one another and do thos things in Matt 23 He requires to be called His sheep Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
this fire is NOW and on going in the earth as we speak to me anyways , but you must decide this for yourself what to make of the many things Jesus says that apply to us all here and now .
I have so enjoyed your interest in these things and was going to be quiet today , but again its the LORD who sends the fire and Light of His glory to our Father in heaven to speak and DO what is right in His sight , God bless your heart , this has also helped me to understand better also by looking again and remembering what the Lords Spirit is saying to us all [Isaiah 33 ;14 -17]
49 "I have come to set the world on fire, and I wish it were already burning!
50 I have a terrible baptism of suffering ahead of me, and I am under a heavy burden until it is accomplished.
51 Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!
the sheep and the goats
52 From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against—or two in favor and three against.
53 'Father will be divided against son
and son against father;
mother against daughter
and daughter against mother;
and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law
and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.'"
54 Then Jesus turned to the crowd and said, "When you see clouds beginning to form in the west, you say, 'Here comes a shower.' And you are right.
55 When the south wind blows, you say, 'Today will be a scorcher.' And it is. 56 You fools! You know how to interpret the weather signs of the earth and sky, but you don't know how to interpret the present times.
57 "Why can't you decide for yourselves what is right?
58 When you are on the way to court with your accuser, try to settle the matter before you get there. Otherwise, your accuser may drag you before the judge, who will hand you over to an officer, who will throw you into prison. 59 And if that happens, you won't be free again until you have paid the very last penny."
I am putting Isaiah 33 for you dont have to look it up AMAZING being the children of GODS consuming /devouring Fire !! those whom eat up and destroy the lies and false and Babylons destruction
Jesus says when I be Lifted up I will draw all men unto Me , we see being in ZION /sion heavenly Jersalem [ Hbr 12:22 But you come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels]
Isa 33:10 ¶ Now will I rise, saith the LORD; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.
Isa 33:11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
Isa 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.
the broken branches to be burned
Isa 33:13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might.
Isa 33:14 ¶ The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despises the gain of oppressions, that shakes his hands from holding of bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and shuts his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 your eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.
Its all so awesome and fearful at the same time to me !
Wow. I've found a friend. I'm in the second lesson right now. Got to share some of this. Looks like I can get healed!
REVELATION SERIES
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm
J. Preston Eby
Only 142 lessons to go! :laugh:
QuoteGod makes war because He loves us. All that appears in the book of Revelation as destruction and devastation is but a picture of God's love, correction and instruction that is consuming the ignorance, self-will and foolishness within the heart of a child.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev2.htm
The Lamb is getting mean with me.
QuoteThe New Age terminology can be mistakenly taken for Kingdom Truth. They speak much of the kingdom of God within man, of Christ within man, of love, mercy, goodness, and spiritual perfection and oneness with God. The ancient serpent is wise, shrewd, crafty and subtle, and he knows that the most effectual way to instill error into the minds of the unwary is to use old and precious words and put a new meaning into them. So when his messengers, masquerading as "ministers of righteousness," seek to lead, if possible, the very elect astray, they use the old precious words, but put an entirely different and false meaning. When they talk about God and our heavenly Father they don't mean the God of the Bible, the personal God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. They mean the impersonal energy that is resident in all things animate and inanimate. They talk of atonement, but they do not mean at all the redemptive death of Jesus Christ on our behalf by which we are reconciled to God by His blood. They mean the at-one-ment in which we recognize our oneness with all things, a cosmic unity, not with the Creator, but within ourselves and with the creation. Jesus has nothing to do with it at all, except as a great Teacher, a Way-shower, revealing to us the divine potential inherent in every man. They believe there are many ways to God — Jesus is merely a way given to Christians — one of many ways to God.
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev3.htm
No truer words have been penned than those by Bob Torango wherein he writes, "I don't care how much it grieves some to think about having a Lord over themselves, no matter how much it makes their flesh to rebel, there is only one Lord over all heaven and earth, and that is Jesus Christ. It is not your perceived higher self, your I Amness, your shifted consciousness, your universal oneness, your metaphysical self, neither is it your egotistical, sinless, Adamless, fleshless self. Let me go down on record and say that there is only One worthy of honor and glory and adoration, only One to be worshipped and exalted, and it is not YOU. It is Him. If you cannot see Him beyond YOU, then you have a problem, and we need to talk. We don't have to exalt ourselves to feel better about our status in the kingdom. If we would only exalt Him, then He would lift us above our woeful self and bring us into His glory and crown us with everlasting joy. Isn't that enough? Do you really need to lower Jesus in rank and file in order to set yourselves up as kings? Must you continue to try to find another door, another way into God? He is the door, and it is wide open for all. Walk through Him, sit down with Him and drink the new wine and eat the bread of the kingdom. It is enough."