Has anyone investigated the teaching of "Preterist Universalism," Hosea Ballou, Robert Townley, and Max King.? I have been reading some of their stuff and found it most interesting.
I haven't read any of the materiel yet, on this website, about Preterism.
But they look interesting, I've not heard of them, either.
Cheers :thumbsup:
I would put myself in that camp, loosely
I find it hard to believe thar Christians will be dancing in heaven while their loved ones are not invited. :banana:
I have not read any of that but
believe that everyone born of woman under the law is changed in a twinkling of an eye !!
Whom are the saints and holy ones , but Gods ???
and we know GOD is no respecter of persons ........... but LOVES everyone unconditionally , I believe we can waste a whole human existence as a soul not joined to Gods Spirit but was subjected to vanity by death being the fear , not God which is life
But what is this life but a vapour , a mist , a breath ?
and gave of Himself the gift of eternal life that cannot ever be wasted , but shall save
James
14You do not even know what will happen tomorrow! What is your life?
You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.
15 Instead, you ought to say, "If the Lord is willing, we will live and do this or that."...
Job 7:7
Remember that my life is but a breath. My eyes will never again see happiness.
Psalm 39:5
You, indeed, have made my days as handbreadths, and my lifetime as nothing before You. Truly each man at his best exists as but a breath. Selah
Psalm 78:39
He remembered that they were but flesh, a passing breeze that does not return.
Psalm 102:3
For my days vanish like smoke, and my bones burn like glowing embers.
Psalm 144:4
Man is like a breath; his days are like a passing shadow.
Proverbs 27:1
Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring.
Isaiah 2:22
Put no more trust in man, who has only the breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?
To me being born again or born of God , is the substance of eternal Life
being born of man is the death promised of God for not hearing His voice
and all are born deaf and dumb , poor blind miserable and naked ... great lack ...
matt 13 The Purpose of Jesus' Parables
(Mark 4:10-12; Luke 8:9-10)
10Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Why do You speak to the people in parables?"
11He replied, "The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
'Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.'
14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:
'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has grown callous;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn, and I would heal them.'
16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it,
and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
sin is turning away from Gods voice and living and in rebellion experiencing all the vanity of this world and is overcome by it ...
but the FREE gift of eternal life is HIDDEN IN CHRIST LIFE
We are a walking contradiction by the tree of knowledge of good and evil , holding both life and death in our bosoms :doh:
The Wages of Sin
...22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die."
Proverbs 11:19
Genuine righteousness leads to life, but the pursuit of evil brings death.
Isaiah 3:9
The expression on their faces testifies against them, and like Sodom they flaunt their sin; they do not conceal it; woe to them, for they have brought disaster upon themselves.
Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Matthew 25:46
And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
John 4:36
Already the reaper draws his wages and gathers a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may rejoice together.
Romans 1:32
Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Romans 5:21
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness, to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness?
Romans 6:21
What fruit did you reap at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The outcome of those things is death.
Romans 8:6
The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,
Romans 8:13
For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:38
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
Romans 8:39
neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Galatians 6:8
The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
James 1:15
Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
standing in truth and life has its end reward,, lying in sin has an end also .
many , many , many are the last to KNOW THE TRUTH .... Because they have been overcome by the world !! thanks be to GOD for Jesus Christ the perfect gift of GODS grace to the world for sin and error from the beginning .
We will all be subjected to Jesus Christ and every knee will bow to HIM and confess , some are doing so now because they have passed from death to life already as it is written 1 John 3:14, we read this: We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren.!!!!! for they have looked at the Fiery serpent on the pole and will live , being the LORD JESUS CHRIST EVEN THAN AS IT IS NOW !!! :dsunny: :HeartThrob:
8Then the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent and mount it on a pole. When anyone who is bitten looks at it, he will live." 9So Moses made a bronze snake and mounted it on a pole. If anyone who was bitten looked at the bronze serpent, he would recover.
If I be lifted up and draw all men unto Me ,,,
John 3:14
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
John 3:15
that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life.
2 Kings 18:4
He removed the high places, shattered the sacred pillars, and cut down the Asherah poles. He also demolished the bronze serpent called Nehushtan that Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had burned incense to it.
Isaiah 45:22
Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Psalm 95:6
O come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the LORD our Maker.
Isaiah 45:23
By Myself I have sworn; truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, every tongue will confess allegiance.
Romans 14:11
It is written: "As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow before Me; every tongue will confess to God."
Ephesians 1:10
as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ.
Ephesians 3:14
... for this reason I bow my knees before the Father,
Revelation 5:3
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it.
Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever!"
:banana:
Rose,
I like the verses about life being like breath/mist and fleeting/passing.
Though for some this is saddening or they refuse to believe it, for me it helps to remember not to worry so much about this Earthly life and the circumstances here.
Quote from: GodIsLove on April 16, 2020, 07:51:22 PM
Rose,
I like the verses about life being like breath/mist and fleeting/passing.
Though for some this is saddening or they refuse to believe it, for me it helps to remember not to worry so much about this Earthly life and the circumstances here.
I so believe you !!
As we all bear the corruptible image of humanity , to me so are those hidden in Christ within ,,, that shall not be hidden
but the truth will set them free
Romans 8 is awesome for understanding that even if we cannot ask or pray for the things that God desires done , the Holy Spirit will do so on our behalf !! I so love that how it is GOD doing it all for every last one of us !!!
15So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God's Spirit when he adopted you as his own children.h Now we call him, "Abba, Father."
16For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God's children.
17And since we are his children, we are his heirs. In fact, together with Christ we are heirs of God's glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.
The Future Glory
18Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory he will reveal to us later.
19For all creation is waiting eagerly for that future day
when God will reveal who his children really are. 20 Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse.
But with eager hope, 21the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay.
22For we know that all creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
23And we believers also groan, even though we have the Holy Spirit within us as a foretaste of future glory, for we long for our bodies to be released from sin and suffering. We, too, wait with eager hope for the day when God will give us our full rights as his adopted children,j including the new bodies he has promised us.
24We were given this hope when we were saved. (If we already have something, we don't need to hope for it.
25But if we look forward to something we don't yet have, we must wait patiently and confidently.)
26And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don't know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.
27And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God's own will.
28And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them.
29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory.
I believe this glory is knowing Gods Love is real and how it changes us all .
Even NOW..there are those with the elder son mentality..who refuse to dance and rejoice at the message all are saved.The prodigals
that Jesus resurrect[My son was dead!but lives] Instead of rejoicing..they think the prodigal should be burnt up with the tares
in the LOF. At least for alittle while. They terrorize men[spirit children of God] with the eternal burning wrath of God without mercy
Because of His GREAT LOVE,ye sonsof men are not consumed[in LOF] :2c: