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Discussions Relating to Universal Reconciliation => Book of Revelation => Topic started by: donken on May 12, 2014, 07:02:50 PM

Title: Millenium Begun Already.
Post by: donken on May 12, 2014, 07:02:50 PM
Hello all.   That "spiritual condition" which is pictured in scripture as a thousand year reign while there is still others who are not "being ruled" by Christ from within, as it were, is already appearing.   It is a spiritual inner rule of Christ in this world, the beginning of the DAY of the Lord.   It is a time when some are going to be mature while there is still much work to do in bringing the whole world into the Peace and Love of God.   As the tide comes in the beach is "overcome", and the flood today is the flood of the Spirit increasing in dominion in man in the world in a large manner, unstoppable.  We can quietly rejoice at this.  I say quietly because it is a good thing but it is in now way completed yet and evil deeds, beliefs, and conditions still occur in the world.

Man is overcoming the ailments or many of the causes of physical death through medicine and what we call scientific knowledge etc.  This is one of the things that was prevalent when Jesus was in the world in Israel.   The knowledge man uses to do these things comes to man from God as man is able to understand it, much like a grade one child eventually is able to understand grade 12 things after he has learned many things through grades 1 to 11 and completed them.

One of the real ways we can understand we are in the spiritually pictured millenium is because for some of us SATAN is already in the pit.  In Revelation the scripture pictures that DURING THE MILLENIUM as pictured, there is still things to do.  An angel or ministering comes that puts "evil doing" satan, in the pit with chains, UNDER FOOT as it were, FOR SOME.   The knowledge of what\who the devil really is has been in the world for some for quite a while now.

The harvest is beginning but... it has to continue on and on until the plowman overtakes the reaper.

Amo_9:13  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

The treader of grapes is the beginning of a new wine, THE new wine of the Lord, the hidden manna that will change how we understand scripture, in truth.
The sower will be sowing NEW WINE with good judgment.  Hearers {people, grapes in picture} will have wine produce in their understanding and ways, the new wine of the Lord.

The sower will also be plowing at the same time because when that which is sown is sown it will certainly come to full fruit without perishing any more.

I will leave this here now, but the bottomless pit and the angel of that bottomless pit and it's products are known.  Right now this Spiritual condition is as a little mustard seed but is developing to the point of showing itself "above ground", or higher than the earth.

Rev 19:7  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8  And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: ***for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints***.
Rev 19:9  And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

2Th_1:10  When he shall come to be glorified ***in*** his saints, and to be admired **in** all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


God bless, donken.
Title: Re: Millenium Begun Already.
Post by: josh on May 13, 2014, 04:45:32 AM
in a book THE GREAT PYRAMID DECODED.. by lemesurier
he suggests that we might be this millenia in a premillenia to the millenia...
as i find that most christians fail in having a renewed mind of discernment
much of what is said about the millenial rule of christ
could fall short of being as prophetic as it might  claim
Title: Re: Millenium Begun Already.
Post by: donken on May 13, 2014, 05:50:38 AM
Hi.   Well, any idea that Jesus Christ is going to rule and then leave for a while after ruling is kind of double minded isn't it.  One the eternal promises of God are established in the earth they will be "eternal" in the sense that no one else is going to overcome that rule and therefore no one is going to be given it either.  The idea that Jesus would unseat the beast and then re-seat the beast is a pretty carnal minded prophecy.

The rule of Christ ... begins as a their in the night, and only those who are awakened by Him with Him in them at the onset will see him.  It will be as scripture says, as it was in the days of Noah.  Word about the coming flood of the Spirit but not many believing it initially.  Not necessarily because they do not believe, mostly because they do not believe about His coming correctly.  No physical sighting.  the second man is MADE a quickening Spirit.

Also, the coming of the dominion of Christ is not instantaneous.  It is a change brought about by the Mature Christians living differently than Christians have lived in the past, and the different living standards will produce changes in what happens in the world to become the new world.   Not everyone in the creation is going to be a mature Christian right away but all will eventually know what the desire, gift, and method of God is.

Joh_12:48  He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

So, how can Jesus word that HE SPOKE judge us?  It is all in how we understand his words.  Do we interpret them to our own understanding and the spirit of the world or do we understand them according to how Jesus means them, according to the Spirit that GIVES LIFE.    How we understand and believe the meaning of the words of Jesus will show where we are at any given time.  How we understand his words is "who" we are at the time.  Child, young man, father.?    As we mature, we will understand the words more and more clearly according to the Spirit that gives life in Jesus, rather than to the mind of natural Adam.

In due time, everyone ever born will always eventually become a father.  There will still be human babies being born in the creation forever.  At maturity as Spiritual fathers in the world they will be the ever continuing increase of God's Kingdom of eternal life.

Knowing who\what the devil is is when he is in the pit, or in a picture, under the feet of those who bind "most or all" of the tares.

The very fact that an "angel" brings this chain that binds Satan is evidence that growth is still going on, ie.. an "angel" being a picture of a spiritual message or messenger means the message is still being unfolded and is there fore not yet entirely unfolded in all it's parts.
Thanks for sharing.  Donken,