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Rev. 22:14-15
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may ENTER by the gates into the city. OUTSIDE ARE the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
This is ?THE? KILLER TEXT for not only the ?soul sleep? doctrine, but Annihilationism and Universalism as well.  Notice that this text is talking about the state of the dead AFTER the final (AD 70) resurrection has taken place.  The righteous have their new immortal bodies and are INSIDE the heavenly city.  The unsaved are still conscious and are OUTSIDE the gates of the heavenly city.  The unsaved did not get ?immortality? at the resurrection event, yet they are still conscious, so this necessarily implies that ?immortality? is not the same thing as ?consciousness of the soul.?  These unsaved folks are still conscious after the resurrection, even though their bodies have died and they did not receive ?immortality? at the resurrection.  They remain consciously OUTSIDE of heaven forever after the resurrection event.  This not only refutes the ?soul sleep? idea, but shows that the wicked do not cease to exist (Annihilationism), nor are they given a ?second chance? to repent and accept Christ and ?ENTER? into heaven (Universalism).


jabcat

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If we keep reading, the gates of the city are never closed and the kings of the earth bring their "treasures" into it.  The leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations.  The Spirit and the Bride say come, drink of the water of life freely.

The Rev verses also need to reconcile with Paul's version of events, as he gives an "end-times" picture regarding the culmination of all things, including every knee bowing/tongue confessing, God all-in-all, God showing His kindness "in the ages to come"....
The oldest known manuscripts agree with each other 99% of the time.  The scriptures, accurately translated, Spirit revealed - reliable.   Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.  Heb. 12:2

marie glen

I think it is narrative that is spoken outside of the vision and like the rich man and Lazarus parable portrays - initial - conditions of - some - during GWT judgment ?day?.
    Jesus said he, quote - will draw all (Jn.12:32) and also said - All those in the tombs/graves will hear God?s voice and will come forth (from the graves/tombs) some into the resurrection of life (into THE millennium, to serve called reigning.. for to do His works is surely to reign.. crown of Life, not metal). And some into the resurrection of GWT conditions ?day? (Jn.5:28-29) which elsewhere He calls agelasting correction [kolasin aionion oR korrection conditions] Mt.25:46, the completing of drawing all! And surely(?) it?s a same process of refinement/correction for all. The crucible being life as we presently know it? - this unavoidable, all important contrast - until vivification either at 1Cor.15:52,53 or at Rev.21:5, 1Cor.15:24-28. We shall have character that is clear as crystal. Humanity and creation sealed.
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marie glen

Quote from: jabcat on October 05, 2024, 12:54:20 AM
If we keep reading, the gates of the city are never closed and the kings of the earth bring their "treasures" into it.  The leaves of the tree of life are for the healing of the nations.  The Spirit and the Bride say come, drink of the water of life freely.

The Rev verses also need to reconcile with Paul's version of events, as he gives an "end-times" picture regarding the culmination of all things, including every knee bowing/tongue confessing, God all-in-all, God showing His kindness "in the ages to come"....

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