I just watched part of this program on cable...Doomsday 2012: The End of Days. It discussed Merlin, the Mayans, the Hopi, web-bot, and the Book of Revelation as all pointing towards a "culmination"/cataclysmic event on Dec. 21, 2012. I know probably all of us have heard pieces of this, but it got me interested in what folks on here thought about that. It sure seems like a lot of coincidences that there is so much "prophesy" (I'm not contending that's what Revelation is saying) saying much of the same thing.
A couple of things that jumped out at me...I believe it was the Hopi prophecies that said the water would rise, the sun would get hotter, and earthquakes would occur in many places, and there would be a "spider-web" around the earth. The tie-in there was then with web-bot, which is a huge www program that has been scanning info, trends, etc., since the 1990's and making predictions from that...in June 2001 it made the prediction that an event would soon occur that would forever change the way we lived in the U.S....and further, it's one more "voice" saying 2012 is a major date.
I for one believe many things did come to pass in 70 AD. But even so, does that preclude any significance to all the above?
God in all this (including the Hopi and Merlin, a "magician")? Satan using as part of his agenda (I acknowledge some don't see Satan as a being)? Our imagination? Other options?
:cloud9: I call it seeing thru a glass darkly, myself. I don't believe any of their stuff personally, and I don't necessarily think they even "prophesied" half of what they are all being attributed with. But it does sell magazines, and promote fear, much like the 1999 fear of everything going down. My :2c: Blessings....
greetings.
For me:
any type end time senerio men come up with will NOT be how it happens, thats just the way God works.
peace
chuckt
Rapture, trinity, endtimes... words we dont find in the
Word of God, yet the "imaginations" of men can
cause earthquakes, terror and fear in multitudes.
Believers KNOW we are working in the NEW.....
Isa.48:6-7 & Isa.43:19-21
The last book is REVELATION an Uncovering of the
BEGINNING...... not the end.
James, none of this is directed at you.
Of all my stuggles, these types of predictions or warnings is something I have never feared, never cared about, never concerned about.
As with many "predictions" someone is only declared correct when the truth manifests. How many end times predictions from Christians must people endure before realizing that sooner or later someone is going to happen to guess the right date. Thats assuming the end of the earth is even going to happen in the manner people may think in the first place.
I see it along these lines. I can predict the end of the world if it happens in my life time by simply saying each day that I predict the world will end.
Then on that fateful day I can say, "see I told ya". If I am wrong I can say, "What if I had been right, were you ready?"
It's all about fear, its all about the religious nonsense of turn or burn.
People do not like what I say, but I say, let the world end and good riddance to it, lets get it over with already.
In the meantime, I am going to enjoy things the best I can, go to movies, make friends and share the lack of fear that I do have.
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on January 08, 2009, 06:50:12 PM
People do not like what I say, but I say, let the world end and good riddance to it, lets get it over with already.
:laugh2: :thumbsup:
Good comments everyone, thanks....the unveiling/the beginning...hmmmm...interesting :thumbsup:
That's funny that Merlin came up. I absolutely love Merlin. So did Arthur. Merlin was a great theologian and prophet. Perhaps the Elhanan Winchester or at least the Andrew Jukes of his day. I read a book once that gave Merlin's outline of history from the past to the distant future as he understood the Bible to be teaching it: first the dispensation of the Father, then of the Son, then of the Church, then of the Holy Spirit, then of the Son again, and then ultimately one day all would be the Father's once again as all things were delivered into His Hands by the Son and by the Church. Beautiful, beautiful prophet that history has done as much of a mockery of as it has of St. Nicolas the Apostle, or precious brother, Valentine, and various others.
Gotta be really careful in what I say so that I don't fall into the trap on the other side of the ditch in the wrong prophecy that some will slip into about that year. You can be just as big of a wrong prophet in saying that absolutely nothing will happen as you can be about saying it's the year Christ returns or whatever. Some people will say that absolutely nothing will happen and it might sincerely be the year of an assassination, a meteor strike, an invasion of some country, or the year that some major disease is honestly cured. In that case, or in those cases, the people that said that absolutely nothing will happen would wind up being in the same predicament as the Nostrodamus interpreters that predicted our actual need for Ghostbusters, the Greatest American Hero, Time Cops, Global Evacuation, and the return of Dynasty 'cause of it having been the only form of sustainable television in outer space because of some unknown law of physics that we haven't discovered yet.
The Bible is clear in 1John and 2Peter and in various other places where prophesies are given that our emphasis shouldn't be on causing runs at the bank, the grocery stores, or in someone's stockings by trampling them in our rush to get to the highest mountain peak before the water catches us as it's rising. The Book of Revelation will say this, that, and the other happened and the people still wouldn't repent. Romans 1 says that this, that, and the other happened to morph people into creatures rather than Creators and they still wouldn't become thankful. Exodus says this, that, and the other happened and Pharoah still wouldn't give it up. The Gospels say that this, that, and the other happened and the Pharisees still wouldn't embrace the Lordship of Jesus. In the Bible, each time there's signs, wonders, catastrophies, or pop tarts arising from their toaster graves and filling the room with the smell of berries and cinnamon the emphasis is upon how people should behave, the kind of people that we should be, and that God and worshipping Him from a thankful heart should be our priority rather than our occasional hobby or Christmas and Easter habit.
I'm saying this because even if we pinned down half a dozen things that would happen without a doubt that year, then the emphasis would turn to what should we do about it to be prepared and all of the questions would begin surfacing about whether or not folks should continue as they are with their lives but have a couple thousand dollars stuffed between their mattresses, or whether they should own a water distiller and their own well, and whether or not they should have 7 years of toilet paper hidden in one of their closets. The Bible is full of catastrophic events from cover to cover and no matter the extent of the life altering or life destroying things that have befallen human beings, no Biblical prophet ever warned people to make sure that they had enough rags for wiping their butts or that they'd keep an extra goat hidden in the basement for milk for their kids, or whatever. The emphasis has always been upon the kind of people that we should be and upon renewing our lifestyle of fasting, prayer, worship, thanksgiving, and commitment to the Scriptures to know and meditate upon them to the exclusion of everything else in this world and to become their living expression in the earth so that if they've seen us, they've seen Christ Jesus. The emphasis has been upon having good relationships with God as top priority and final Authority in your decision making processes. It's been about making sure that nobody in your city goes to bed hungry, thirsty, cold, or in an unhygienic situation tonight, that all women and children in your city are safe tonight, that your tender mercies aren't veiled hypocritical cruelties instead according to Proverbs, etc., etc.
Quote from: martincisneros on January 08, 2009, 07:55:28 PM
The emphasis has always been upon the kind of people that we should be and upon renewing our lifestyle of fasting, prayer, worship, thanksgiving, and commitment to the Scriptures to know and meditate upon them to the exclusion of everything else in this world and to become their living expression in the earth so that if they've seen us, they've seen Christ Jesus. The emphasis has been upon having good relationships with God as top priority and final Authority in your decision making processes. It's been about making sure that nobody in your city goes to bed hungry, thirsty, cold, or in an unhygienic situation tonight, that all women and children in your city are safe tonight, that your tender mercies aren't veiled hypocritical cruelties instead according to Proverbs, etc., etc.
Excellent, :2thumbs:.
willieH: Hi James... :hithere:
Quote from: jabcat on January 08, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
Good comments everyone, thanks....the unveiling/the beginning...hmmmm...interesting :thumbsup:
I agree James... recently, God revealed to me something in my spirit...
I am, as is everyone else, ...very interested in both the Beginning of time (origin/ so most look at the book of Genesis) and it's End (end / most look at the book of Revelation)...
What God said to me was this... "if you wish to know the end (Revelation)... search the beginning (Genesis), for BOTH are one and the same... the END ...
is... the BEGINNING and the BEGINNING ...
is... the END"
Scripture notes
JESUS CHRIST is BOTH... (Rev 1:8) "I AM... [is] the Alpha AND Omega"
He inspired this to me as that was said: If you would, a picture a CIRCLE... pick any point of origin, and you shall see that once the CIRCLE is complete or concluded... it is found to be, that the POINT of ORIGIN and DESTINATION are one and the same...
Also... as you move AWAY from the point of ORIGIN, you are actually RETURNING to it...
In JESUS the name above ALL NAMES...
:Sparkletooth: :Sparkletooth:
willieH :Sparkletooth: :Sparkletooth:
Hi Bro Willie H,
AMEN
Welcome back some bro, ya been kinda busy i know :icon_flower:
For mine Christ , THE BEGINNING and the END..AMEN, Hes also the END of One age and the Beginning of a New DAWN ...Therefore, also Declaring the END from the Beginning ,Both Cs Bearing witness to HIM , The age of the Child ENDS ,While the New Birth of THE SON\HEIR begins.
Yes and amen bro Willie. Yes and amen. The river in Genesis is the same river in Revelation. The two trees in Genesis are also in Revelation . . .one may be transformed into the other, but there is a transition between Genesis and Revelation . . .for me . . .there are also two trees on the hill of the skull with a river running between them as well . .one experienced life, the other expereinced death . . .in Revelation, there is nothing but life . .life . .and more life.
1 Corinthians 15:30
And why do you think I keep risking my neck in this dangerous work? I look death in the face practically every day I live. Do you think I'd do this if I wasn't convinced of your resurrection and mine as guaranteed by the resurrected Messiah Jesus? Do you think I was just trying to act heroic when I fought the wild beasts at Ephesus, hoping it wouldn't be the end of me? Not on your life! It's resurrection, resurrection, always resurrection, that undergirds what I do and say, the way I live. If there's no resurrection, "We eat, we drink, the next day we die," and that's all there is to it. But don't fool yourselves. Don't let yourselves be poisoned by this anti-resurrection loose talk. "Bad company ruins good manners."
:cloud9: LOVED IT WILLIE..... :thumbsup: And Nathan, you are the first person I have ever seen who knows the rivers in Gen. are connected to the river in Rev. He showed me that, also. Blessings...
I'm finding quite a few things in your posts that reveal the same truths that have been revealed to me as well. Crazy how that works . . . it didn't come by way of flesh and blood eh?
In fact, when people share revelations with me that just rock my world . .I picture them pouring blood, sweat and tears in hours and hours of studying and digging as they look for the nuggets of gold . . .but then I learned it's not like that at all. Most of my stuff comes to me while I'm in the shower . . .seriously . . . I never quite figured out why that is . .but things seem to be clearer to me when my eyes are full of soap. (Man! I am SOOO funny!!!)
Must be something in the water!!
:cloud9: No, for sure it didn't come by flesh and blood. For the first 2 years I spent 12 to 16 hours a day digging in the Word, getting a foundation for Him to build on. Then my circumstances changed and I didn't have the same amount of free time to do that as much.
Then down the road awhile and He showed me to enter into His rest with it, only usually digging as He leads and to what He leads me to, usually triggered by a dream or a personal word to me, or both, or by praying for someone and as He gives wisdom and understanding for their circumstance, I gain as well. Sometimes just meditating on a particular question, and a revelation comes that leads to deeper study.
Appears to me that in the beginning the Word defines your experience with the Spirit, but after a while the Spirit defines your experience with Word. (smile) Blessings.....
:cloud9: For some reason, I didn't remember this till I read your post Fire, but actually the very first time the Lord spoke something to me WAS in the shower, LOL. That's toooo funny. Blessings....
:cloud9: ROFLOL......but if you think about it......He spoke to Adam and Eve first when they were "naked" too; they just didn't know they were naked yet. So see, that proves it's a "God thing", LOL...... :laughing7:
For the youngsters in the audience, this thread is rated PG-13 :mblush:. Me, I'm headin' for the fig tree :laughing7:.
Nah, I'm kidding...I think the kids can take it...and about the fig tree...I was thinking of the leaves..
:cloud9: The last time I checked the only thing underneath the fig tree was figs....so I guess that would make Nathaniel, ah, a fruit of the Spirit? :laughing7:
:wink2: Reminds me of the little saying, "God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts".
:cloud9: Haven't heard of that one, but I have heard of "Granola churches" in these parts, ie. what ain't nuts, is fruits and flakes..... :mshock: :winkgrin:
:mlaugh: Pretty darn funny.
Quote from: Cardinal on January 10, 2009, 05:30:42 AM
:cloud9: No, for sure it didn't come by flesh and blood. For the first 2 years I spent 12 to 16 hours a day digging in the Word, getting a foundation for Him to build on. Then my circumstances changed and I didn't have the same amount of free time to do that as much.
Then down the road awhile and He showed me to enter into His rest with it, only usually digging as He leads and to what He leads me to, usually triggered by a dream or a personal word to me, or both, or by praying for someone and as He gives wisdom and understanding for their circumstance, I gain as well. Sometimes just meditating on a particular question, and a revelation comes that leads to deeper study.
Appears to me that in the beginning the Word defines your experience with the Spirit, but after a while the Spirit defines your experience with Word. (smile) Blessings.....
Wow!! what a great conversation you guys had here!!! I was really floored to hear that this is such a common thing . .to have revelation come while under the water . .being physically cleansed and spiritually washed at the same time. Kim, I respond much like you . . I just stand there and say "Wow!" about 50 times and then the tears come when I realize that God loves us that much, even inspite of ourselves. it's not the power-suits, the perfumes or added jewlry that makes us feel better about ourselves . . .it's when there is nothing left to our imaginations . . when God drops the bombs in us. There have actually been times as I pull the curtain back to step into the shower that I actually ask myself "I wonder what I'll see this time".
And Cardinal . . .I can't tell you how much your last sentence here struck a chord in me. That is something that should be on a plaque hanging on my wall. I have felt that way for some time, but this is the first time I've seen it so perfectly written in words. Thank you for that. It explains so much, so clear. You're explanation leading up to that is also the exact thing that happened to me as well. The Word led me into an experience with the Spirit, but now, the Spirit leads me into experiencing the Word . . .and also like you stated, it's usually in the form of a certain topic, word study . . .or one verse that leads into other things.
I really can't just sit down and read a chapter at a time . . .heck, I seldom get past the first verse of something that I go off to other passages that causes a revelation to emerge.
Great stuff being written here guys . . you've blessed me bunches!!
Some of Us Younger ones were sleeping when this thread took on an Adult theme...we call PG here..Parental Guidance :icon_king:
Im Like you too Kim..Kinda words get stuck in my thoughts , which Seems to build into Patterns , from those patterns Come the Life of whats spoken,,,
I like what Card stated.. :icon_flower:
Appears to me that in the beginning the Word defines your experience with the Spirit, but after a while the Spirit defines your experience with Word.
And Yes Nat..I cant read page after page after page..never have , something pops up and then im all the place...when sharing studies a while back with Kim on line, wed do this all the time..., everything going off in tangents Like no tomorrow,...youd end up forgetting where ya started cos it led you Places we opened up other doors...on on and On it goes,..... :icon_flower:
Quote from: Nathan on January 10, 2009, 05:54:27 PM
And Cardinal . . .I can't tell you how much your last sentence here struck a chord in me.
:cloud9: You don't have to, bro, I knew by the Spirit that you would understand, that last comment was for you, as a confirmation. :winkgrin: Blessings...
(And apparently for my bud Taffy, also :HeartThrob:)
That was well put Cardinal :HeartThrob:
I know that many times i speak of the experiences that change us
just as we see through those differnt times in the NT seeing the growth and change in Paul and in Peter and John as they write down by the Spirit those experiences
I was telling Kim that the other night in romans 5 how we are to go through the same things , it is personal in so many ways our walk with God through CHRIST , and I find it amazing when we can relate so many things in common ..
I was telling Kimmy that I have has those times when resting in my bed a sleep sort of and I catch a glimpse of the most amazing powers of God in an unconscience place of being and than almost imediatly when my conscience awarness opens its like a seal or vacum it disapates before i can remember it all , and told about that , its like being in another place where the things of God are so real and vivid and that poof ! they disapate ?? :mshock:
and I cannot remember them consciencely any more , I have mixed thoughts on it
and found one place in scripture that kind of explains that sort of in Job 33,
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Job&c=33&v=16&t=KJV#16 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Job&c=33&v=16&t=KJV#16)
For God speaketh once, yea twice, [yet man] perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:17 That he may withdraw man [from his] purpose, and hide pride from man.
Job 33:18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.
I was excited when I read this because it didnt seem so weird to me any more , But it was the Lord , I dont speak of them things much anymore , Kim is about the only person that knows how the Lord has dealt with me over the years
lots of times I look at it as a wonderful personal thing that we need to increase our faith and would not use that most precious experience to stumble a brother or sis with , I told once someone who was not able to accept some of these things and they begin to doubt their faith in God because it was not happening to them :sigh:
I try to be carful to whom I can speak freely too and Spiritual things too and whom I have to speak to as a fellow human
Like Paul so aptly put it at times hee hee , you know he had alot of those unveilings and truths and spoke them as to not stumble anyone in their faith .. them experiences change our [eye] of percieveing and Seeing Christ in everything understood , it is by Him we have seen His glorious Light /Wisdom
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 10, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
yet at other times different, sometimes His most tender love comes over me and Im telling ya it feels EXACTLY like this invisible oil poured o the very top of your head and you melt beneathe it in tears because all you can say is "Your beautiful Lord". What am taken back by is how many ways He manifests himself to me, sometimes not sternly but in this indescrible boldness come over you, other times I just weep because of His tenderness, whereas mostly Im WOWED! Like Nat said, "wow 50 times" and speechless otherwise. Thats discovering so many things about Him I love and they are all so wonderful.
BEAUTIFUL!!!
I can so relate to the melting and tears. LOVE is amazing.
:cloud9: Amen Rose, I know exactly what you mean. And also, that it is a fine line to know what to share. And then sometimes, you meet those that ARE experiencing the Word and are afraid to share anything lest people think they are crazy, and are relieved big time, to find out that the Spirit of God opens the seals as He chooses. Fear is such a thief in so many ways, no wonder it says man is in bondage to fear of death (dying to self) all of his days. If it's not one fear popping up, it's another. I say, death to all fear except to the fear of the Lord, LOL......Blessings.... :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 10, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
:cloud9: Amen Rose, I know exactly what you mean. And also, that it is a fine line to know what to share. And then sometimes, you meet those that ARE experiencing the Word and are afraid to share anything lest people think they are crazy, and are relieved big time, to find out that the Spirit of God opens the seals as He chooses. Fear is such a thief in so many ways, no wonder it says man is in bondage to fear of death (dying to self) all of his days. If it's not one fear popping up, it's another. I say, death to all fear except to the fear of the Lord, LOL......Blessings.... :HeartThrob:
you are right Cardinal , the fear the Lord only girl :thumbsup:
but this person was so hurt , it hurt me ! and I prayed that God would touch them in a ways that they would also Know God so loves them
God personal touch , is the most amazing thing that can happen to us ! being these little helpless creatures who needs Him so badly and we need reassurance that we are not alone
and the Lord s faithfulness is also a thing I totally trust in now after answering this prayer , we can now speak of some things that have now become more open and real to us and not just some fantasy feel good hoop la
I tell you it is Real as Rain ! and when the good Lord is dealing with you personally you will know it woithout a doubt in your mind and heart anylonger !
God is that GOOD! WHOOO HOOO! :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Zeek on January 10, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 10, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
yet at other times different, sometimes His most tender love comes over me and Im telling ya it feels EXACTLY like this invisible oil poured o the very top of your head and you melt beneathe it in tears because all you can say is "Your beautiful Lord". What am taken back by is how many ways He manifests himself to me, sometimes not sternly but in this indescrible boldness come over you, other times I just weep because of His tenderness, whereas mostly Im WOWED! Like Nat said, "wow 50 times" and speechless otherwise. Thats discovering so many things about Him I love and they are all so wonderful.
BEAUTIFUL!!!
I can so relate to the melting and tears. LOVE is amazing.
Amen :HeartThrob: :thumbsup: wowza!
Quote from: Zeek on January 10, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 10, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
yet at other times different, sometimes His most tender love comes over me and Im telling ya it feels EXACTLY like this invisible oil poured o the very top of your head and you melt beneathe it in tears because all you can say is "Your beautiful Lord". What am taken back by is how many ways He manifests himself to me, sometimes not sternly but in this indescrible boldness come over you, other times I just weep because of His tenderness, whereas mostly Im WOWED! Like Nat said, "wow 50 times" and speechless otherwise. Thats discovering so many things about Him I love and they are all so wonderful.
BEAUTIFUL!!!
I can so relate to the melting and tears. LOVE is amazing.
Another witness :HeartThrob:
HA HA..
Nosey Rosie pops up from Nowhere... :HeartThrob:
Hugs
Quote from: Taffy on January 10, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
HA HA..
Nosey Rosie pops up from Nowhere... :HeartThrob:
Hugs
lol ha I have been around for a bit now Bro , you are just getting slow in yer old age LOL HEEHAA! :icon_jokercolor:
:cloud9: Amen, y'all.........He is amazing. Yes, Rosie, I have seen same thing; you want them to have the reality of His presence and in-working in them so bad it hurts YOU as well. Pray ye one for another that ye (the two) might be made whole (one). Good thread....Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on January 10, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
:cloud9: Amen Rose, I know exactly what you mean. And also, that it is a fine line to know what to share. And then sometimes, you meet those that ARE experiencing the Word and are afraid to share anything lest people think they are crazy, and are relieved big time, to find out that the Spirit of God opens the seals as He chooses. Fear is such a thief in so many ways, no wonder it says man is in bondage to fear of death (dying to self) all of his days. If it's not one fear popping up, it's another. I say, death to all fear except to the fear of the Lord, LOL......Blessings.... :HeartThrob:
It's a sealed book, but how are any of us to open it without the Christ? His is a quickening Spirit, and those that have the Christ are able to quicken others. Not everyone, I know, but please let your words fall like rain. We are the book, aren't we?
1And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5And one of the elders saith unto me,
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. --Rev 5
Song of Solomon 4:12
A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Hi Molly
Christ is the BOOK, we are the epistles written it HIM , is the way I understand it :icon_flower:
:cloud9: We are the book cover. He is the book, and as the seals are opened, the book becomes "readable", ie. openly manifested, and able to quicken the Truth within, bringing both into union, ie. knowing Him, even as we are known of Him. :HeartThrob: Hey girl :thumbsup: Blessings....
Quote from: Taffy on January 10, 2009, 08:56:36 PM
Hi Molly
Christ is the BOOK, we are the epistles written it HIM , is the way I understand it :icon_flower:
Yes, he is the book, and Christ in us is the book--the Word become/becoming flesh.
6Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.--Psa 40
QuoteIt's a sealed book, but how are any of us to open it without the Christ? His is a quickening Spirit, and those that have the Christ are able to quicken others. Not everyone, I know, but please let your words fall like rain. We are the book, aren't we?
Hi Molly , seems the bondservants will have this Spirit of Prophecy the testimony of Jesus Christ Spirtit in them working and opening the seals of the book sis ! Praise God ! :HeartThrob: :thumbsup:
our minds / hearts will be illuminated with the full knowledge of the Love of God through Jesus Christ within the walls of savlation
when there is no more mud/ flesh in the waters they are crystal clear and flowing pure , holy Clean ., pure the same voices of Christs Body , gathered together in One place [IN HIM]
Revelation 22
The River and the Tree of Life
1Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of [a]the Lamb,
2in the middle of street On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve
kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3(H)There will no longer be any curse; and Throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him;
4they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.
5And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
6And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets,sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place. 7"And behold, I am coming quickly Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book."
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things And when I heard and saw, fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9But he said to me, "Do not do that I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God."
The Final Message
10And he said to me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
Quote from: rosered on January 10, 2009, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 10, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
HA HA..
Nosey Rosie pops up from Nowhere... :HeartThrob:
Hugs
lol ha I have been around for a bit now Bro , you are just getting slow in yer old age LOL HEEHAA! :icon_jokercolor:
yEHAAAAA
Your right there Rosie ,il be made new When I be fifty and then maybe I can keep up with you :HeartThrob:
Excuse me??? John was "NOT" to seal up the book . .the revelation of Jesus, the prophesying of what was to come??? Please do explain yourself :mshock: Cuz Daniel's vision has the same language and he was told just the opposite. What could possibly have changed between when Daniel was told to seal it, and when John was told not to . .. AND do you suppose the book Daniel sealed is the same book that John left open??? And if it was the same book, then "when" praytell, did it get "reopened"?
Yes . . .let's talk about this book . . .let's "hover" over the face of the deep of this matter and see what springs forth . .yes???
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
John 8:20
These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
wupps . . .side track for a sec . . ..
Matthew 26:45
Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
A freebie . ..can't resist. This is from past arug . . .discussions
Matthew 27:45
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. Sounds to me like the sun lost it's light as the moon (Christ, a reflection of the Father) turned to blood.
Hmmmm . . . .uh . .anyway . . .back to the original side-track
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
I still can't understand how people think that Jesus could know the hour he was about to be slaughtered in shame, but not the hour he's returning in glory .. which is what they keep stressing (and I do mean "stress") this verse is telling us . .that Jesus doesn't know when he's coming back to earth . . .in the flesh . . . Did God give Jesus an incomplete floorplan of Salvation? Did God only give Jesus the map that leads to his death, but not the entire plan of when he returns in Light?
Okay . . .back to the book . . .Daniel saw it, and sealed it. He sealed it "completely" (7 seals) But who opened it?
Revelation 5
5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
I love the fact that the elders told him that lion had prevailed and John actually saw a lamb . .very cool.
Okay . .so Jesus is the one who opened the book (big surprise). But "when" did he physcially do it? I believe it was right here . . .
Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
The very words of Jesus . .the sword from his mouth . .oh, and Matthew's account is in chapter 24 by the way . . . see, the reason why I think this is ALL connected to what literally happened in 70 A.D. is because the religious leaders were their own worst enemies . . .they were the firstfruits of their minds . . .the abomination of desolation is when they chose law over life . .they repeated the exact same thing as Adam did in the garden. The abomination of desolation is the act of my carnal thinking usurping authority that was meant for the spirit, not the flesh.
Jesus opened the book by referring to Daniel's prophecy. He reopenned a can of worms that had been sealed . .for the time was not yet . .but with John . .it was at hand . . and when he says at hand . .just as he said it when he was about to go to the cross . .at hand means the wheels are already in motion . .it's already begun. It's an open and shut case for me really.
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Excuse me??? John was "NOT" to seal up the book . .the revelation of Jesus, the prophesying of what was to come??? Please do explain yourself :mshock: Cuz Daniel's vision has the same language and he was told just the opposite. What could possibly have changed between when Daniel was told to seal it, and when John was told not to . .. AND do you suppose the book Daniel sealed is the same book that John left open??? And if it was the same book, then "when" praytell, did it get "reopened"?
Yes . . .let's talk about this book . . .let's "hover" over the face of the deep of this matter and see what springs forth . .yes???
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
John 8:20
These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
wupps . . .side track for a sec . . ..
Matthew 26:45
Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
A freebie . ..can't resist. This is from past arug . . .discussions
Matthew 27:45
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. Sounds to me like the sun lost it's light as the moon (Christ, a reflection of the Father) turned to blood.
Hmmmm . . . .uh . .anyway . . .back to the original side-track
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
I still can't understand how people think that Jesus could know the hour he was about to be slaughtered in shame, but not the hour he's returning in glory .. which is what they keep stressing (and I do mean "stress") this verse is telling us . .that Jesus doesn't know when he's coming back to earth . . .in the flesh . . . Did God give Jesus an incomplete floorplan of Salvation? Did God only give Jesus the map that leads to his death, but not the entire plan of when he returns in Light?
Okay . . .back to the book . . .Daniel saw it, and sealed it. He sealed it "completely" (7 seals) But who opened it?
Revelation 5
5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
I love the fact that the elders told him that lion had prevailed and John actually saw a lamb . .very cool.
Okay . .so Jesus is the one who opened the book (big surprise). But "when" did he physcially do it? I believe it was right here . . .
Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
The very words of Jesus . .the sword from his mouth . .oh, and Matthew's account is in chapter 24 by the way . . . see, the reason why I think this is ALL connected to what literally happened in 70 A.D. is because the religious leaders were their own worst enemies . . .they were the firstfruits of their minds . . .the abomination of desolation is when they chose law over life . .they repeated the exact same thing as Adam did in the garden. The abomination of desolation is the act of my carnal thinking usurping authority that was meant for the spirit, not the flesh.
Jesus opened the book by referring to Daniel's prophecy. He reopenned a can of worms that had been sealed . .for the time was not yet . .but with John . .it was at hand . . and when he says at hand . .just as he said it when he was about to go to the cross . .at hand means the wheels are already in motion . .it's already begun. It's an open and shut case for me really.
YOU DID NOT READ my post Nate :sigh:The Final Message
10And he said to me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
everything you said we all are in agreement with , the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ .. :thumbsup: having the seal in our forheads His testimony and serving Him :HeartThrob:
Yes I did . .that's what started my rant!! :laughing7: :laughing7:
I was being facicio . . .fasy . .fascisious . .faseeshus .facetious. Take your pic. :icon_flower:
I call it taking advantage of an open door. Anyone else wanta walk through it???
Quote from: rosered on January 11, 2009, 02:28:14 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2009, 01:03:11 AM
Excuse me??? John was "NOT" to seal up the book . .the revelation of Jesus, the prophesying of what was to come??? Please do explain yourself :mshock: Cuz Daniel's vision has the same language and he was told just the opposite. What could possibly have changed between when Daniel was told to seal it, and when John was told not to . .. AND do you suppose the book Daniel sealed is the same book that John left open??? And if it was the same book, then "when" praytell, did it get "reopened"?
Yes . . .let's talk about this book . . .let's "hover" over the face of the deep of this matter and see what springs forth . .yes???
Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
John 8:20
These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
John 12:23
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
wupps . . .side track for a sec . . ..
Matthew 26:45
Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
A freebie . ..can't resist. This is from past arug . . .discussions
Matthew 27:45
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. Sounds to me like the sun lost it's light as the moon (Christ, a reflection of the Father) turned to blood.
Hmmmm . . . .uh . .anyway . . .back to the original side-track
Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
I still can't understand how people think that Jesus could know the hour he was about to be slaughtered in shame, but not the hour he's returning in glory .. which is what they keep stressing (and I do mean "stress") this verse is telling us . .that Jesus doesn't know when he's coming back to earth . . .in the flesh . . . Did God give Jesus an incomplete floorplan of Salvation? Did God only give Jesus the map that leads to his death, but not the entire plan of when he returns in Light?
Okay . . .back to the book . . .Daniel saw it, and sealed it. He sealed it "completely" (7 seals) But who opened it?
Revelation 5
5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
I love the fact that the elders told him that lion had prevailed and John actually saw a lamb . .very cool.
Okay . .so Jesus is the one who opened the book (big surprise). But "when" did he physcially do it? I believe it was right here . . .
Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
The very words of Jesus . .the sword from his mouth . .oh, and Matthew's account is in chapter 24 by the way . . . see, the reason why I think this is ALL connected to what literally happened in 70 A.D. is because the religious leaders were their own worst enemies . . .they were the firstfruits of their minds . . .the abomination of desolation is when they chose law over life . .they repeated the exact same thing as Adam did in the garden. The abomination of desolation is the act of my carnal thinking usurping authority that was meant for the spirit, not the flesh.
Jesus opened the book by referring to Daniel's prophecy. He reopenned a can of worms that had been sealed . .for the time was not yet . .but with John . .it was at hand . . and when he says at hand . .just as he said it when he was about to go to the cross . .at hand means the wheels are already in motion . .it's already begun. It's an open and shut case for me really.
YOU DID NOT READ my post Nate :sigh:The Final Message
10And he said to me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
everything you said we all are in agreement with , the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ .. :thumbsup: having the seal in our forheads His testimony and serving Him :HeartThrob:
Man . . . I need to use those face thingys more . . .maybe that would help you all be able to tell when I'm being a smart aleck. I really was being a little sarcastic with the presentation. I believe what I was saying to be true, but I was being a bit overly dramatic with it. Hope no one is offended by it. :Oops:
No worries Nat.
:icon_flower:
Just wanted to say I watched the Apocolypse/Doomsday programs yesterday on the History Channel. Those shows always fascinate me - I'm not sure why. I guess because I believe there will be AN END. Some say not, but I don't believe mankind will continue to be born in sin forever - so that there must be "an end of all flesh". And that is certainly a discussion that could go in many directions. Also, I find it somewhat irritating when others who are not comfortable discussing these kinds of things try to quiet the conversation with flowery phrases. The fact is, humanity is suffering all over the globe. We are in a time of tribulation. I see no reason why the horrors of it can't be freely expressed.
Anne, feeling edgy lately, I admit!
Probably my background, but these things get my attention as well. I listened to (gulp) Coast-to-Coast AM a little last night/this morning, and a guest was on talking about this...he was not a "seer", but more of a researcher who gathered scientific, as well as other information (Mayans, etc.), then made predictions based on that information/trends. Somewhat like Gerald Celente.
Anyway, his take was that there are SO many sources, that were totally "unconnected" (maybe not) at the time, that were all saying the same thing and all pointing to the same time period (2012), he couldn't buy it that it was all coincidence. He was suggesting a "cataclysmic event"...whatever that may be, but a life/world altering event.
If nothing else, interesting. Day by day, walking in His love and mercy, and trusting in His protection for His people. Some changes are good!
God's blessing, James.
Hi Anne ,
Godd to see you sis !
its me Rose from old K T foum
we watched them yesteday some too
I know somthing is going on , I think '' hyper inflation'' is just the start of it everything
starting to get out of control
Yellowstone national park is also a point of interest right now lots of activity a super Volcano , that will alone devastate the US for many years :sigh:
much less the Worlds economy systems are in a mess to right now , I would say we are going to see things we have never ever even imagine that are going to come to pass in these times
I am not some fear monger and freak , but do believe in my soul there is something about to happen or it has been building up for many years now , but i do have an ungency in my spirit to prepare as in the days of Noe so shall it be ........
Gods WORD /SWORD and sore judgments have reached the heavens
and are close to being fulfilled perhaps ? in the natural as so in the spiritual .
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
If anyone wants to give away all their possessions over the coming doom my TV just quit working. So since your not going to be using your big screen anyway, I wouldn't mind having it.
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on January 12, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
If anyone wants to give away all their possessions over the coming doom my TV just quit working. So since your not going to be using your big screen anyway, I wouldn't mind having it.
LoL , Paul ya wont need a TV , when your job is lost and your
electric bill goes through the roof and your house morgage and taxes and food get to the point of where it becomes a luxury to eat
I will be put on a diet for sure than hee hee ...
I have never really suffered like my grand parents have during the depression , i know it changed them , they always lived a humble life till their deaths and were great examples to me personally of God fearing folks
love Rose :HeartThrob:
"I am not some fear monger and freak , but do believe in my soul there is something about to happen or it has been building up for many years now , but i do have an ungency in my spirit to prepare as in the days of Noe so shall it be ........
Gods WORD /SWORD and sore judgments have reached the heavens
and are close to being fulfilled perhaps ? in the natural as so in the spiritual."
________________
Amen, Rose. Thank you for speaking to me. It is a comfort to know that I'm not the only one who feels that something unimaginable is on the very cusp. Hopefully it is the great CHANGE that the inhabitants of the earth have been crying out for! In the 'twinkling of an eye' - everything could change. For we know that the whole Creation groans for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of God!
Hallelujah. My heart is lifted up because of you today, dear Rose. Of course I remember you.
It's great to hear from you! I was just thinking a while ago about how much it hurts when people don't speak or refuse to speak (as well as how I would probably refuse to speak if I were under severe oppression such as torture.) I would not beg bread from the enemy, if that makes sense at all.
Love never fails! :girlheart:
Quote from: rosered on January 12, 2009, 09:53:43 PM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on January 12, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
If anyone wants to give away all their possessions over the coming doom my TV just quit working. So since your not going to be using your big screen anyway, I wouldn't mind having it.
LoL , Paul ya wont need a TV , when your job is lost and your
electric bill goes through the roof and your house morgage and taxes and food get to the point of where it becomes a luxury to eat
I will be put on a diet for sure than hee hee ...
I have never really suffered like my grand parents have during the depression , i know it changed them , they always lived a humble life till their deaths and were great examples to me personally of God fearing folks
love Rose :HeartThrob:
Rose -
My sentiments exactly! Hah!
If Carlene is in this place today - please speak to us, Carlene. You too Mercy, Juli, or anyone lurking here that goes way back with me.
Anne
Man it's good to see you.
Blessings Kim.
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
When a roll of toilet paper hits $100 a roll there will be nothing more spiritual then using the LEAVES :grin:
God will provide :thumbsup:
Use your head, though...watch out for the poison ivy..."leaves of three, let it be :laughing7:"
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on January 12, 2009, 10:26:44 PM
"I am not some fear monger and freak , but do believe in my soul there is something about to happen or it has been building up for many years now , but i do have an ungency in my spirit to prepare as in the days of Noe so shall it be ........
Gods WORD /SWORD and sore judgments have reached the heavens
and are close to being fulfilled perhaps ? in the natural as so in the spiritual."
________________
Amen, Rose. Thank you for speaking to me. It is a comfort to know that I'm not the only one who feels that something unimaginable is on the very cusp. Hopefully it is the great CHANGE that the inhabitants of the earth have been crying out for! In the 'twinkling of an eye' - everything could change. For we know that the whole Creation groans for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of God!
Hallelujah. My heart is lifted up because of you today, dear Rose. Of course I remember you.
It's great to hear from you! I was just thinking a while ago about how much it hurts when people don't speak or refuse to speak (as well as how I would probably refuse to speak if I were under severe oppression such as torture.) I would not beg bread from the enemy, if that makes sense at all.
Love never fails! :girlheart:
Ragedy Anne your not alone trust me :grin:
But the "Speak to us of good things" is considered the most spiritual of placed to be :grin: When a roll of toilet paper hits $100 a roll there will be nothing more spiritual then using the LEAVES :grin:
God will provide :thumbsup:
Great Anne to see you once again ! I am so glad we are not alone through all this ..
Kimmy loved that sacasm sis ,,, hee hee its'' the truth'' just the same
I would be a liar if I said for certain '' peace and safety '' are ours , i would say my flesh will kick and scream all the way out of here lol......
this sounds excellent to me ...........
Thou therefore, my son,
be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
2Ti 2:3
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 2Ti 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, [yet] is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
2Ti 2:6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
2Ti 2:7
Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things. endure hardness
1) to suffer (endure) evils (hardships, troubles)
2) to be afflicted
love rose :HeartThrob:
Quote from: jabcat on January 13, 2009, 02:17:17 AM
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
When a roll of toilet paper hits $100 a roll there will be nothing more spiritual then using the LEAVES :grin:
God will provide :thumbsup:
Use your head, though...watch out for the poison ivy..."leaves of three, let it be :laughing7:"
I seriously doubt
those leaves will be healing any nations any time soon .. yikes ! :mshock:
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:24:55 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Hey kiddo...been at the Hospital for a Good part of the Day..blood letting...feeling weary and the arms are very sore...But Heck girl, im not feeling much cos Im talking to you :HeartThrob:
u OK :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:30:35 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:24:55 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Hey kiddo...been at the Hospital for a Good part of the Day..blood letting...feeling weary and the arms are very sore...But Heck girl, im not feeling much cos Im talking to you :HeartThrob:
u OK :HeartThrob:
I remember you saying that yesterday or saturday bro?
the arms are sore , oh I wish there was some other way they could do that for you bro . .
I hope you are on the mend this time , your poor ol body bro!
you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly though love rose :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 02:30:54 AM
Quote from: jabcat on January 13, 2009, 02:17:17 AM
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
When a roll of toilet paper hits $100 a roll there will be nothing more spiritual then using the LEAVES :grin:
God will provide :thumbsup:
Use your head, though...watch out for the poison ivy..."leaves of three, let it be :laughing7:"
Yeah thats worse then a yeast infection :grin: I got my 60 rolls Im already in the process of counting squares :grin: No more ripping the roll out ten feet long and being wasteful for me :grin:
Is it the watershed yet :laughing7:
PG.......
Ten feet Fire..wow..what a Butt..opps :laughing7:
dont forget that Belt girl :icon_flower:
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:30:35 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:24:55 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Hey kiddo...been at the Hospital for a Good part of the Day..blood letting...feeling weary and the arms are very sore...But Heck girl, im not feeling much cos Im talking to you :HeartThrob:
u OK :HeartThrob:
I remember you saying that yesterday or saturday bro?
the arms are sore , oh I wish there was some other way they could do that for you bro . .
I hope you are on the mend this time , your poor ol body bro!
you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly though love rose :HeartThrob:
Ill never mend sis...Thats the reality Unless some interaction from HIM...,..will only deteriate...damage limitation I think they call it :HeartThrob:
Again thanks for your prayers sis,,theys well needed.
LOL .. eggs anyone ?
grow corn to feed the chickens and use the cobbs for waste wiping like in the olden days eh? :mblush:
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
LOL .. eggs anyone ?
grow corn to feed the chickens and use the cobbs for waste wiping like in the olden days eh? :mblush:
Gee Rose
I never Knew that..mind you we dont grow corn in the UK...Turmips aint quite the same
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:40:26 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:35:47 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:30:35 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:24:55 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Hey kiddo...been at the Hospital for a Good part of the Day..blood letting...feeling weary and the arms are very sore...But Heck girl, im not feeling much cos Im talking to you :HeartThrob:
u OK :HeartThrob:
I remember you saying that yesterday or saturday bro?
the arms are sore , oh I wish there was some other way they could do that for you bro . .
I hope you are on the mend this time , your poor ol body bro!
you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly though love rose :HeartThrob:
Ill never mend sis...Thats the reality Unless some interaction from HIM...,..will only deteriate...damage limitation I think they call it :HeartThrob:
Again thanks for your prayers sis,,theys well needed.
you have glorified body in there bro G just as glorious as ever the Lords work and doing , we are grateful for the Good Lords mercy
I believe that is How Paul could say when I am weak , I am strong
according to the inward and outward man :thumbsup:
just the same I still have hope you you and yours to get through
love rose :HeartThrob:
And he said unto me,
My grace is sufficient for thee:
for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 2Cr 12:10 Therefore
I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. the Spirit man strong and the carnal man weak as God does his work in us all ...
Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
2Cr 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
2Cr 13:9 For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, [even] your perfection.
2Cr 13:10 Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
2Cr 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
2Cr 13:12 Greet one another with an holy kiss.
2Cr 13:13 All the saints salute you.
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Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
When a roll of toilet paper hits $100 a roll there will be nothing more spiritual then using the LEAVES :grin:
God will provide :thumbsup:
Use your head, though...watch out for the poison ivy..."leaves of three, let it be :laughing7:"
Yeah thats worse then a yeast infection :grin: I got my 60 rolls Im already in the process of counting squares :grin: No more ripping the roll out ten feet long and being wasteful for me :grin:
Is it the watershed yet :laughing7:
PG.......
Ten feet Fire..wow..what a Butt..opps :laughing7:
dont forget that Belt girl :icon_flower:
Yep I got me a big ol butt :grin: Im hoping to drop some pounds, should be easier with fewer choices :grin: Mines not from eating but being sedintary, sitting here on my butt way too much of the time on internet chit chat.
Getting the belt bro :thumbsup:
yeah sis I know tis from over eatin....,Mind you, you eat me Cookies... :happy3: and dink me Tea :happygrin:
Yo..getting very much fewer choices here too...
we had a 6mth Tax bill today..ya pay ya last 6 mthsAND the 6mths ahead which you havent worked YET...great egh?
anyways...If ya dont pay on time Ya fined Monthly..I love these Blood sucking Governments,..Tis Now got that Bad here, Tracey called to day and mentioned ya got No chance..now as SO many businesses are struggling..The Government have wavered the time LINE..there happy now to come to SOME arraingment...pay when ever
thats how bad it is.
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:51:12 AM
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Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hey bro G , how goes it today? hope you are having a good day ..
hows the belly bro ?
love rose :HeartThrob:
Hey kiddo...been at the Hospital for a Good part of the Day..blood letting...feeling weary and the arms are very sore...But Heck girl, im not feeling much cos Im talking to you :HeartThrob:
u OK :HeartThrob:
I remember you saying that yesterday or saturday bro?
the arms are sore , oh I wish there was some other way they could do that for you bro . .
I hope you are on the mend this time , your poor ol body bro!
you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly though love rose :HeartThrob:
Ill never mend sis...Thats the reality Unless some interaction from HIM...,..will only deteriate...damage limitation I think they call it :HeartThrob:
Again thanks for your prayers sis,,theys well needed.
you have glorified body in there bro G just as glorious as ever the Lords work and doing , we are grateful for the Good Lords mercy
I believe that is How Paul could say when I am weak , I am strong
according to the inward and outward man :thumbsup:
just the same I still have hope you you and yours to get through
love rose :HeartThrob:
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Cr 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
the Spirit man strong and the carnal man weak as God does his work in us all ...
Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
2Cr 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
2Cr 13:9 For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong: and this also we wish, [even] your perfection.
2Cr 13:10 Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
2Cr 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
2Cr 13:12 Greet one another with an holy kiss.
2Cr 13:13 All the saints salute you.
AMEN SIS..Great word :thumbsup:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 02:27:51 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 02:03:19 AM
Man it's good to see you.
Blessings Kim.
Its good to see you too Nat :bigGrin:
Hey, you gotta a good leaf bearing tree at your house? :grin:
Birtch . . . we have birtch trees. White limbs and trunks . . .not very strong in storms and such . .but kinda pretty. Not the kind of thing I'd want to wipe my . . .well . . .you know . . .
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Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 02:03:19 AM
Man it's good to see you.
Blessings Kim.
Its good to see you too Nat :bigGrin:
Hey, you gotta a good leaf bearing tree at your house? :grin:
Birtch . . . we have birtch trees. White limbs and trunks . . .not very strong in storms and such . .but kinda pretty. Not the kind of thing I'd want to wipe my . . .well . . .you know . . .
yo Birch are More for whippings Nate....they whip and Cut some..ouch..oh Ya meant the leaves :icon_flower:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 02:51:36 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
LOL .. eggs anyone ?
grow corn to feed the chickens and use the cobbs for waste wiping like in the olden days eh? :mblush:
I dont have 90 acres like you Rose I have 7 and most of its wooded, so Im much more limited then you. Though Im starting my victory garden this year... :thumbsup:
Im moving into your barn if we lose our home, Ill bring the food (and toilet paper) so I know I'll be welcomed :grin: :grin:
I'll bribe ya, "Want some of THIS"??? :laughing7:
I am sure there will be alot of bartering and trading for things sis , and some old fashion AMISH ways comes to mind !
I tell ya ALL is welcome as long as you dont come to slit my throat
and take over the fort hee hee hee :laughing7:
we have thieves in our area now seeking out stuff in folks barns , they are the ATV bandits hit alot of folks lately , we had an ATV come down our lane at midnight the other night but ol bear run them right back up the hill hee hee hee , he is now worth his weight in gold lol ...
did you price batteries lately sheeesh ! 5 and 6 dollars for four batteries :mshock: its right up there with gas going right back up again
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:43:31 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
LOL .. eggs anyone ?
grow corn to feed the chickens and use the cobbs for waste wiping like in the olden days eh? :mblush:
Gee Rose
I never Knew that..mind you we dont grow corn in the UK...Turmips aint quite the same
it is true bro LOL !! HA HA HA HA !
they used newspapers dipped in flour for insulation slapped on the walls to keep the wind and cold out , just food for the mice though :sigh: the olden days are here Again
we have had some times in these here parts lol
we have turnips and winter wheat too :thumbsup: in season
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 03:09:45 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:43:31 AM
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 02:41:51 AM
LOL .. eggs anyone ?
grow corn to feed the chickens and use the cobbs for waste wiping like in the olden days eh? :mblush:
Gee Rose
I never Knew that..mind you we dont grow corn in the UK...Turmips aint quite the same
it is true bro LOL !! HA HA HA HA !
they used newspapers dipped in flour for insulation slapped on the walls to keep the wind and cold out , just food for the mice though :sigh: the olden days are here Again
we have had some times in these here parts lol
we have turnips and winter wheat too :thumbsup: in season
Yes sis..I remember the Insulation...
and Mice to eat...Ive had times when The mice used to come share Breakfast In the Kitchen ...they got that tame, theyd sit there..youd draw em out by tossing Crumbs..eventually they become like Pets...Tis True sis :icon_flower:
Sorry to hear that Bro G about all that taxing Lord have mercy , born free and taxed to Death! its about right
they are here too so many jobs shot down month after month here they have lost alot of revenue and are making it up in some strange and ridiculous ways , to sad :sigh:
Yes Kimmy , he uses stable , its a additive for petroloeum products
He knows the ropes thank God :thumbsup:
Quote from: rosered on January 13, 2009, 03:29:40 AM
Sorry to hear that Bro G about all that taxing Lord have mercy , born free and taxed to Death! its about right
they are here too so many jobs shot down month after month here they have lost alot of revenue and are making it up in some strange and ridiculous ways , to sad :sigh:
Yes Kimmy , he uses stable , its a additive for petroloeum products
He knows the ropes thank God :thumbsup:
Hey rosie
Im ROFL..Born free TAXED to death..thats so trueeeeeeeeeeeee. :laughing7:
Hey Kimmy..I know your sincere girl, Thank you ...and who Knows, Just may take you up on It yet.. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 04:08:22 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 03:38:47 AM
Hey Kimmy..I know your sincere girl, Thank you ...and who Knows, Just may take you up on It yet.. :HeartThrob:
Woohoo!! We can be roomies bro! :bgdance:
Everyone come to my house till we need to head to Roses :grin:
Shes got a BIG barn :grin: I'll bring the porta potty :thumbsup: Maybe Carlos will take us on hayrides? :happygrin:
Lol yepper we can all live here
and ride in the duce and half Kaiser Jeep its huge !
or hayrides lol :HeartThrob: in garden season we can pick green beans all day long and can them too! whooo hooo!
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hi
Do I know you by another name? I really haven't followed this forum enough to know who's who. For example, I'm clueless of the real name of 'jabcat' and certain others. I see people talking to KIM in this thread, but no one named KIM appears to be posting. So maybe Taffy = Kim.... I may never figure it out!
Blessings, all of you!
Anne
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on January 13, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hi
Do I know you by another name? I really haven't followed this forum enough to know who's who. For example, I'm clueless of the real name of 'jabcat' and certain others. I see people talking to KIM in this thread, but no one named KIM appears to be posting. So maybe Taffy = Kim.... I may never figure it out!
Blessings, all of you!
Anne
Kim = Fireinfolding
Jabcat=James
Taffy = Graham
Or are you Not the Anne who once posted at Rivers and Stars..or maybe its me and Ive lost me marbles all together :icon_king:
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on January 13, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 13, 2009, 02:22:32 AM
Hi Anne
Nice to share with you once more :HeartThrob:
Hi
Do I know you by another name? I really haven't followed this forum enough to know who's who. For example, I'm clueless of the real name of 'jabcat' and certain others. I see people talking to KIM in this thread, but no one named KIM appears to be posting. So maybe Taffy = Kim.... I may never figure it out!
Blessings, all of you!
Anne
Kim = Fireinfolding
Jabcat=James
Taffy = Graham
Or are you Not the Anne who once posted at Rivers and Stars..or maybe its me and Ive lost me marbles all together :icon_king:
Nathan = Nathan.
QuoteNathan = Nathan.
Nathan = Crowbar = Nathan = Nat-Bar or Crow-han :icon_king:
Well . . .yeah! I just didn't want to elaborate on myself to much . . give off the wrong impression you know. Everybody knows I'm the most humble person I ever met, so if I was to go on and on like you did with my name, people "might" not see how humble I really am. I doubt it though . . it's pretty obvious that I am. :iagree: :bowing: :first:
I use "my" name cuz I never forget who I am . .I'm unforgetable. I only used crowbar once cuz the revelation thread threw me off for a while and I couldn't handle not being on that page for any length of time. The chick thing is just a fact of life I've had to come to terms with . .you have your cross, I have mine . . .sigh . . .
My father named me "Nathan" because even in my mother's womb, my Dad could tell I would have the wisdom to share with kings themselves . . .
Okay, that last one might be stretching it a bit even for me. . .but it sure sounds good though don't it??? :laughing7:
Kim = Fireinfolding
Jabcat=James
Taffy = Graham
Or are you Not the Anne who once posted at Rivers and Stars..or maybe its me and Ive lost me marbles all together
________________________
Yes, I'm the same Anne. Thanks for clarifying! Graham, why Taffy?? I never would have guessed!
Hi Star/Kim! Stop changing your name, pul-ease! I'm getting too old and tired to figure this stuff all out!
Hi James.
I could have saved myself a lot of wasted time and trouble had I stayed around this discussion board and avoided the atheist poetry forums! Oh, what a trip this world is!
Anne, praying for peace...
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on January 13, 2009, 09:13:55 PM
Kim = Fireinfolding
Jabcat=James
Taffy = Graham
Or are you Not the Anne who once posted at Rivers and Stars..or maybe its me and Ive lost me marbles all together
________________________
Yes, I'm the same Anne. Thanks for clarifying! Graham, why Taffy?? I never would have guessed!
Hi Star/Kim! Stop changing your name, pul-ease! I'm getting too old and tired to figure this stuff all out!
Hi James.
I could have saved myself a lot of wasted time and trouble had I stayed around this discussion board and avoided the atheist poetry forums! Oh, what a trip this world is!
Anne, praying for peace...
yo Anne..What a Trip aye :icon_flower:
Nice to hear from ya again. :icon_flower:
Taffy is a Nickname for Welshmen , comes from the River Named TAFF, which runs throu the Capital...
But Grahams Fine ,... :cloud9:
Hello. Jabcat, an old nickname from my initials, J.A.B. James.
And nathan was a name my Father gave me because whilst I was still in my Mother's womb . . .he could see that I would have the wisdom . . .hmm . . seems like I've been on this road before.
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 09:43:11 PM
Hey Anne, look whose talking :grin: Ragedy Anne? :grin:
Alright you havent changed it altogether but you did change it, I didnt know that was you :grin:
Anne is our Wee Poet tree , I remember this :thumbsup: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/6711/ (http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/6711/)
hope you dont mind Anne :HeartThrob:
love rose :icon_flower:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 13, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
Awesome Anne!! :thumbsup: I love your style gees the most I could ever get up was the twinkle twinkle little star ones :grin: Sounded more like nursery rhymes. Thanks for sharing that Rose that was so nice, great job Anne your such a blessing!
And Rose, you ready for your phonecall this time? :grin:
It is sis , Kimmy wrote some poems too :HeartThrob:
and Sheila and Carleen
everyone but me :mblush:
Yes ready and waiting sis lol :thumbsup:
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
And nathan was a name my Father gave me because whilst I was still in my Mother's womb . . .he could see that I would have the wisdom . . .hmm . . seems like I've been on this road before.
And if you're really wise, you'll choose another road...I can recommend one less traveled :laughing7:.
Quote from: jabcat on January 14, 2009, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
And nathan was a name my Father gave me because whilst I was still in my Mother's womb . . .he could see that I would have the wisdom . . .hmm . . seems like I've been on this road before.
And if you're really wise, you'll choose another road...I can recommend one less traveled :laughing7:.
Believe it or not, I didn't fully get what you were saying until I read what I wrote . . . that was really good!!! Kudos bro :thumbsup: :clapping:
:thumbsup: Well, every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut...(no offense)...man, I did it again! Those double entendres are killing me.
Just kidding you bro, I very much enjoy your posts. :handshake:.
Quote from: Nathan on January 14, 2009, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: jabcat on January 14, 2009, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2009, 09:40:20 PM
And nathan was a name my Father gave me because whilst I was still in my Mother's womb . . .he could see that I would have the wisdom . . .hmm . . seems like I've been on this road before.
And if you're really wise, you'll choose another road...I can recommend one less traveled :laughing7:.
Believe it or not, I didn't fully get what you were saying until I read what I wrote . . . that was really good!!! Kudos bro :thumbsup: :clapping:
you two are Killin Me... :laughing7:
For the wisdom( Christ \spirit) above will always lead you On the STRAIGHT path , the wisdom beneath( CarnalDeath) will take you on the CROOKED one.
Posted Not for you guys but for some who maybe lurking :Sparkletooth:
:thumbsup:...
I agree, we always need to be aware of that...there are seekers amongst us, even (or especially) including us.
Quote from: jabcat on January 14, 2009, 12:52:37 AM
:thumbsup: Well, every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut...(no offense)...man, I did it again! Those double entendres are killing me.
Just kidding you bro, I very much enjoy your posts. :handshake:.
No, no, that's perfectly fine . . . call me crazy, but I enjoy opening the door so others can playfully slam it . . .it's a hoot. Keeps me from getting to big on myself when I horse around like that. I knew when I was writing about the wisdom thing I was setting myself up. . .and that's what made me run and do it. I sacrifice myself for the little people all the time . .think nothing of it.
Sorry :laughing7: :bgdance:. . .I really do try to make a run at being normal . .it just doesn't ever work for me.
Quote from: Nathan on January 14, 2009, 01:33:05 AM
I really do try to make a run at being normal . .it just doesn't ever work for me.
:cloud9: ROFL :laughing7: I've got to remember this one.......I SO identify, LOL :thumbsup:
Hi Cardinal! Good to see you here too. :icon_flower:
Rose, how is Sheila doing?
Does Mercy or Tinka ever post here anymore?
What happened to Seth.
I know one of the Tentmaker regulars passed away, cuz Carlene told me a while back, but currently I can't remember which one it was (my bad!).
Rose, my web site is decrepit and old - I'm so embarrassed for anyone to go there. :mblush: Lots of broken links, etc.
Well, I have to go out and get some papers notorized. I should be at work, but my job seems to have dried up in this spiraling economy.
:HeartThrob: Love all of yall,
Anne
Rosie can say more, as she apparently knew him well...but it was Kratos that passed away...a dear brother, who loved the Lord and was a true advocate for the Word. If you type in Kratos in the search, you can probably still read his posts, including leading up to his passing. Yes, blessings to his family. James.
Quote from: jabcat on January 14, 2009, 08:36:05 PM
Rosie can say more, as she apparently knew him well...but it was Kratos that passed away...a dear brother, who loved the Lord and was a true advocate for the Word. If you type in Kratos in the search, you can probably still read his posts, including leading up to his passing. Yes, blessings to his family. James.
Hi James
I always read Kratos / Johns posts , and yes I did love His spirit we passed e mails bro ! and I miss him still , but I feel He is in the Lord now
fully secure and thats our goal as well . :HeartThrob: :thumbsup:
I do also send Gods blessings to his wife and son and family
Love rose
:cloud9: Hi Anne, good to see you too! :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 14, 2009, 03:07:34 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 14, 2009, 01:33:05 AM
I really do try to make a run at being normal . .it just doesn't ever work for me.
:cloud9: ROFL :laughing7: I've got to remember this one.......I SO identify, LOL :thumbsup:
Ha ha ha and ho ho ho. This chewing gum sure is good.
I may chew it til doomsday! If I do, it'll sure go to heaven!
Speaking. That's all, folks!
Does "that" sound normal?
:cloud9: Hi RLV, how ya doing? :HeartThrob:
Hey you chewing BIG RED LOL
HEY Redlettervoice
I am glad you come to see us girl , how are you these days sis ?
:HeartThrob: rose
RED!! :cloud9:
Hi Carlene :icon_flower:
Refreshing to hear from you :icon_flower:
:HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: This is about a half hour I think and I got interrupted listening to it, but if you wade through the religious jargon and just listen to the scientific facts, I think it's definitely pertinent to what we're discussing, and more than likely to the urgency and feeling of "something" is getting ready to happen, that most of us feel in one way or another. Hope the link works....
http://www.christia n-forum.net/ index.php? showtopic= 27682&hl=
Awwwww,
I have seen some of Kratos's posts and really enjoyed them. I did not know he died. Figures!!!
Hey Rose, can I come live with you guys too? You'll have to teach me all that survival stuff tho. I've been pretty spoiled most of my life. I barely know how to boil water. Well, I can cook a little but I use the microwave a lot.
I heard from my ex-husband yesterday that the company he works for is running out of work and they have already laid off 9 people. It isn't a really big company so that's a lot. They are all worried. And if he loses his job, I will lose half of my income which totals about $1200 to $1400 a month. My COBRA health insurance ends on the 24th of this month and I don't know what I will do, I could find insurance for less than I've been paying (close to $400 of my monthly income) but they exclude anything for past ailments for anywhere from 9months after they start you off to one place said they would never pay for anything to do with my back because I had a backache within the last 3 years. I'm filling out an application for state-assisted insurance but am not real sure I can get that, it seems I never qualify for any assistance.
ah well, trust in the Lord, things will work out.
I lost 3 days of work this week due to car troubles. Keep smiling huh?
Life would be boring without some trials.
:cloud9: I tried to with this, does it work if you cut and paste it into your browser? It is about 4 blood moons and their significance to great moves of God in the past, as well the moons coming up. I'm going to listen to it all when I get a chance. It's definitely worth a listen. Card
:cloud9: No, I guess it doesn't, I tried it too. I'll be back in a sec and see if I can get it right.....
:cloud9: Ok, once more with feeling..... :laughing7:
http://revver.com/video/870710/endtime-sol...clipses-part-1/
This one works, just tried it.....
I just finished watching it . . .quite fascinating as to how they can line up events pertaining to wars and invasions to the eclipses like that.
It's enough to make your head tug back at your spirit and say "see . . .you've got it all wrong . . . it's not spiritual . .it's literal . . ." and yet the same voice that led me away from focusing on natural things continues to call into the deep.
Then at the very end . .the last thing one them say is they quote a passage out of Revelation where the sun doesn't give it's light and the moon turns blood red . .and the stars fall from heaven . . . "If" I'm supposed to take the sun and moon literally . . .then should I not also take the stars falling from heaven literally to? Which would then make it "literally" impossible because there is no way this earth could contain all the stars falling onto it.
Another thing that continues to call out to me is the passage where it speaks about how many will claim "he is over here" while others will claim "the Messsiah is over there" but do not chase after them . . . . .
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
You don't need to chase after the proclamations of others, Christ is coming to you . .not the other way around.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Are we not eagles that have flocked together right here, right now and have been feeding from the carcass . the body of Christ "in" each other??
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The one thing they didn't really explain was . . . what's coming in 2015 and 2015 with the eclipses . .it's not the first time. It's happened before. And in the times before, very significant things went on with Israel . . .I'm sure that God does indeed use the lights in the heavens as signs of him acting upon and manifesting on the earth. No doubt about it. But they're assuming that this next one is going to be the coming of the Lord, even though all the previous times have been something else all together different
Now, having said all of that . .these guys are setting around, building up this air of excitement assuming that this is dealing with the coming of the Lord .they are taking their text out of Matthew 24 . . .which is fine . .but they would also then have to see that if "that's" to be taken literally, which they obviously are doing . . then what also is to be taken literally is, in that same exact passage is where Jesus says not even he knows of when he's returning.
So . . .if "he" doesn't know . . how can they possibly assume that now . ."they" know???
But other than that, looking at the visuals and hearing about how things of great magnitude happened to Israel on specific Jewish holidays where rare things in the stars took place on those same days . ..there is definitely a connection. But I'm not so sure I want to put all my spiritual eggs into one natural reasoned basket just yet.
:cloud9: That's why I said if you can wade through the religion of this, it is worth noting, only because He DOES give signs in the natural heavens as well. So my take on it is, He's already set a time and season for something to appear in OUR heavens/Spirit as well. Whether or not it's the fullness of Him or something else, it is, to me, of interest. I'm definitely not in the literal camp on anything, but am intrigued by the witnesses He has established in the natural heavens. I see it as an exciting time for things are falling into place in the SPIRIT within us, preparing to be a spiritual witness of whatever the natural also displays. What? Only He knows. Blessings...
Read this this morning...
"Stop letting your hearts be disturbed! You must be continually believing God, and be continually believing in Me! In My Father's house there are places for many to stay. Otherwise, I definitely wouldn't have told you that I am going away to make a place ready for you, would I? Now if I go away and make a place ready for you, I'm going to come again, and will take you along with Myself; so that where I am, you shall be also. John 14:1-3, The Christian Bible
Related to end time events ("doomsday")? Orthodox Heaven? Connected to 70 AD since Jesus' earthly ministry was to the Jews and He was speaking to His disciples?
Quote from: Cardinal on January 15, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
:cloud9: That's why I said if you can wade through the religion of this, it is worth noting, only because He DOES give signs in the natural heavens as well. So my take on it is, He's already set a time and season for something to appear in OUR heavens/Spirit as well. Whether or not it's the fullness of Him or something else, it is, to me, of interest. I'm definitely not in the literal camp on anything, but am intrigued by the witnesses He has established in the natural heavens. I see it as an exciting time for things are falling into place in the SPIRIT within us, preparing to be a spiritual witness of whatever the natural also displays. What? Only He knows. Blessings...
I totally agree with you Rose, and just to letcha know . . .I've never seen you to be tossed to and fro in the fundamentalists camp, nor do I think you are anything but consistent and accurately having the spirit divide truth in you.
I wonder what it was that happened last year around Sept. 1st that was to begin this seven year thing their speaking of. If the guy would have said June 13th . .I would have fallen out of my chair . .that was the day the river crested here in Iowa causing all the devastation to Cedar Rapids, Iowa City as well as many other smaller towns and communities. We're still feeling the affects of that one. We just learned this week that the power station that supplies Quaker it's steam, will be shutting it's doors this coming June due to the cost of replacing the coal burners required for supplying us as well as the main hospital and all of down town Cedar Rapids businesses with steam. My wife's parents are just now . . .it's been 7 months and they are just now beginning to move back into their house . . .they've had horror story after horror story since this whole thing began.
At any rate, I'm not aware of any major things going on last year at the 1st of September. Anything go on in Gaza then? And I wonder if there was any "sign" that manifested when Israel went into their current conflict. They get into so many different clashes .. . .it's hard to keep track of them all.
:cloud9: Hey Nathan, you quoted me, but are addressing Rose, LOL.....that's ok though as we are one in the Spirit.... :HeartThrob:
Quote from: NathanI just finished watching it . . .quite fascinating as to how they can line up events pertaining to wars and invasions to the eclipses like that.
They don't call them occultists for nothing. They started their profession at the dawn of time with the secret knowledge of the heavens, passing down the knowledge from father to son, so that they could wow people by predicting the sun would go black on a certain date and they would cause it to return its light if only you do this, that, or the other thing which is guaranteed to give them more power.
To me, it's just more proof that it's all orchestrated.
But, God gives us the signs, too, and it's a two-edged sword that can help us to see what they are doing behind their veil.
11Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.--Eph 5
QuoteAt any rate, I'm not aware of any major things going on last year at the 1st of September.
Go watch the video again. They said the signs for the next 3 years are for the judging of the nations--which would be the gentiles.
As if we didn't know...
:roll eyes:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 15, 2009, 11:57:56 PM
:cloud9: Hey Nathan, you quoted me, but are addressing Rose, LOL.....that's ok though as we are one in the Spirit.... :HeartThrob:
oh . . .crap. It's hard to tell the two of you apart . . .you're handwriting is identical. :laughing7: :laughing7:
:cloud9: Well, of course they are corrupting whatever it is God intended in these signs in the heavens, I mean, what else can the carnal mind do, but corrupt? My only point is, He placed the sun and the moon in the heavens, and He knows the times and seasons and what they are for or signify.
I'm not interested in their pet theories they work up to support their lifeless doctrines, I'm only interested in what God might have to say about it, and whatever it is, His Word will witness it, once understanding comes.
And Fire, I too have wondered if they won't harness a hologram and a satellite somehow to perpetrate and bring to life, the vain imaginations of so many people trapped in religious understanding. As Job found out, what you fear most is what comes upon you, which fortunately for Him was the dealings and processings of God, but the converse is true also, if you fear things, events, ect., so maybe He'll give to them what they fear most, eh? Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 01:02:32 AM
:cloud9: Well, of course they are corrupting whatever it is God intended in these signs in the heavens, I mean, what else can the carnal mind do, but corrupt? My only point is, He placed the sun and the moon in the heavens, and He knows the times and seasons and what they are for or signify.
I'm not interested in their pet theories they work up to support their lifeless doctrines, I'm only interested in what God might have to say about it, and whatever it is, His Word will witness it, once understanding comes.
And Fire, I too have wondered if they won't harness a hologram and a satellite somehow to perpetrate and bring to life, the vain imaginations of so many people trapped in religious understanding. As Job found out, what you fear most is what comes upon you, which fortunately for Him was the dealings and processings of God, but the converse is true also, if you fear things, events, ect., so maybe He'll give to them what they fear most, eh? Blessings....
well, we will just have to respond with our own hologram (which they are counterfeiting to begin with) because that is what we are meant to be, right? A hologram of the Christ.
:cloud9: That's true only our "hologram" is the real deal and has the substance of the Spirit and the foundation of the Word to back it up....
People consider us to be mystical as it is . . .now these guys are using literal calendars, literal science, literal sun . .moon . . . how difficult will it be when these things "do" appear to happen . .and to be honest . . .I don't doubt that they could very well happen . . .but I just don't think you can, nor should anyone, try to connect them with the coming of Christ in the bodily form. Can you imagine . . .come 2015 and the moon turns to blood and something catastrophic does happen to Israel.
I really won't be surprised to see something extraordinary happen on their predicted days. God established those holidays to be celebrated on the days they are celebrated . . .it's no mistake or happenstance that Jesus died on the passover . . .that he was buried on the feast of unleavened bread, that he rose again on the feast of first fruits . .that on the celebrated day of Pentecost, or feast of weeks that he returned in Spirit and poured himself out onto all flesh . . .these feasts were established by Moses through the leading of God, and fulfilled by Christ . . .all 7 are fulfilled by Christ.
So it wouldn't surprise me any when the stars line up and signify the fulfillment of timelines previously established also by God. I found it very intriguing as they went down the history in the past of when the last blood moon was (1967, when they regained the temple) and then the next before that was in 1948, when they became a nation . . .those are very compelling facts. But . . . it again, doesn't prove what they are implying that it proves.
I agree, we should be watchers . .but in spirit, not in flesh.
But when people who are of the earth see things happening on the earth, it will reinforce their reasons for being earth bound. Seems to me there is a passage of Scripture that speaks to the deceiving the hearts of many. That would definitely do it. It's not that the signs are authentic . .it's their interpretation of what they think they mean.
And us Gentiles, we say . .'Well . .. the guy "is" a Jew and they do know these things . .especially the Christain Rabbis and priests and all that. If anyone can interpret prophecy . .it's these scholarly guys . . . and we buy what they sell. Only question remains is . . . can you hear God's voice of affirmation in the message of these men? Or is it more religious hype and banter? For me . . .this may sound really crazy . . .but I choose to follow that which is invisible, than embrace physcal signs that all men can clearly see.
:cloud9: I know what you mean Nate, and agree. But the natural and the spiritual are two sides of the same coin and that's why they are so difficult to separate apart from the understanding of the Spirit. And the one is the other's witness, so if something is happening outside, it's happening "inside" the spiritual priesthood, spiritually, FIRST. Heaven rules in the affairs of men. So I'm not looking to the natural to confirm anything, but looking to the Spirit to reveal the reality the natural is mirroring. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 02:07:53 AM
:cloud9: I know what you mean Nate, and agree. But the natural and the spiritual are two sides of the same coin and that's why they are so difficult to separate apart from the understanding of the Spirit. And the one is the other's witness, so if something is happening outside, it's happening "inside" the spiritual priesthood, spiritually, FIRST. Heaven rules in the affairs of men. So I'm not looking to the natural to confirm anything, but looking to the Spirit to reveal the reality the natural is mirroring. Blessings....
Different WORDS same Song :cloud9:
:cloud9: Yeah, that's why it's so hard to understand each other sometimes........we be speaking in tongues.......better to just listen for the melody, eh? :winkgrin:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 02:13:12 AM
:cloud9: Yeah, that's why it's so hard to understand each other sometimes........we be speaking in tongues.......better to just listen for the melody, eh? :winkgrin:
Post of the ********Day***************** :HeartThrob:
:cloud9: I didn't yet. I told you I was interrupted, LOL....
A very rare occurrence is happening in 2015 (which is preceded by two lunar eclipses on holy days in 2014, on Passover and Tabernacles) (which will give a total of 4 blood moons falling on passover and tabernacles 2014 and 2015)
Nisan 1, 2015 Total solar eclipse
2 weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover
Tishri 1, 2015 (Rosh Hashanah, Jewish New Year) Total solar eclipse
2 weeks later a total lunar eclipse on feast of Tabernacles (sucote?)
This will not happen again on these biblical holidays for the rest of the century.
He heavily implies that Jesus will be returning because of the significance of this occurrence combined with what is happening starting 7 years earlier in 2008 (assuming 7 years tribulation then Jesus returns)
in 2008, 2009, and 2010 there will be one solar eclipse each year and that event will fall like a bullseye right on the first of Av {?} which they say is the dark time in the Jewish calendar for 9 days --it's when they worshipped the golden calf, also when the Babylonians broke through the walls of Jerusalem, the destruction of the Temple in 70 ad. (It was on the 9th of Av [?} that the ten spies brought the bad report, and the Temple was destroyed twice on the 9th of Av).
WWI started on the 9th of Av
Hitler signed the proclamation against the Jews on the 9th of Av
Zec 8:19 God says he will turn these fast days into joy and gladness and joyful feasts for the house of Judah. So I think he concludes this would be good news for Israel but bad for the gentile nations in the next 3 years.
In Jewish writing a blood red moon bodes ill for Israel but a total solar eclipse (as is happening in 2008, 2009, 2010) means bad news for the nations (gentiles). So these years are a time of judgment for the gentiles.
That's more or less what they said. It might not be totally accurate. I'm not a scribe. :laughing7:
Quote from: Fireinfolding on January 16, 2009, 08:34:30 AM
Card I made it to around 8 minutes on the vid I dont know how you made it beyond that :grin:
Honestly how'd you do that? :grin:
I had paused it a couple times and came back later as well . . .. you almost have to force yourself through it. There was just enough in it to be interesting to stay around . .but not much there as far as great truth goes.
:cloud9: Well, I said the only thing interesting to me was the signs He obviously placed in the sky. Perhaps it was more interesting to me personally because He once gave me a night vision with the moon in it and spoke to me about the fulfillment of the law. He uses all things for His glory and His purpose. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on January 16, 2009, 05:20:28 PM
:cloud9: Well, I said the only thing interesting to me was the signs He obviously placed in the sky. Perhaps it was more interesting to me personally because He once gave me night vision with the moon in it and spoke to me about the fulfillment of the law. He uses all things for His glory and His purpose. Blessings....
Yup, and for that very reason, I'm tempted to go back and maybe even jot a couple of the things down that do appear to be connected . . . I did find that part quite intriguing as well.
A guy was just arrested in St. Charles Missouri, which is close to where I work and where Gary A. lives. He had stolen some explosives, buried them, and said he was preparing for "2012...the end of the world". I promise, it wasn't me (and I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gary. But check with him if you want :laughing7:).
A couple other quick things about 2012 I recently heard...on Coast-to-Coast AM again :Oops:.
One thing was, "what if the guy who was doing the calendar just died while he was doing the year 2012?". Sort of a "b-d, b-d, b-d, that's all folks".
The other thing was on a s/w more serious note...the guest (some "expert", whatever) said that 2012 wasn't really the end of the Mayan calendar...That is cycles and it just starts over at '0'. doh! :doh: :dontknow:.
God's blessing, James
Quote from: jabcat on January 31, 2009, 08:42:45 AM
The other thing was on a s/w more serious note...the guest (some "expert", whatever) said that 2012 wasn't really the end of the Mayan calendar...That is cycles and it just starts over at '0'. doh! :doh: :dontknow:.
Jabcat take the Hebrew calendar and find the year 0....
Perhaps God just presses the reset button :laughing7:
Some related 2012 to the start of the age of Aquarius. Reset the counter to 0.
There are many views on that. Even Aleister Crowley had a view on it. So needless to say they aren't all very Christian.
Quote"This age will be an age of splendour and of light, because it is the home of the Holy Breath; and the Holy Breath will testify anew for Christ, the Logos of the eternal Love. At first of every age this Logos is made manifest in flesh so man can see and know and comprehend a Love that is not narrow, circumscribed. Twelve times in every revolution of the sun this christed Love of God is made full manifest in flesh upon the planes of earth, and you may read it in Akasha the wondrous lessons that these Christs have taught to man" (p.15.) - Dan Costian (Ph.D), Bible Enlightened
QuoteJesus was the one to announce the Age of Aquarius:
"a man will meet you carrying an earthen pitcher of
water; follow him into the house where he goes in"
(Luke 22:10; Mark 14:13.) The Last Supper was the
symbol of the future "unio mystica."
QuoteAdam began the 7th Age of Cancer.
Noah was the 8th generation in the 8th Age of Gemini with 8 persons on the Ark.
Abram was the 9th from Noah in the 9th Age of Taurus.
The mystery of Abram to Abraham flowed into the 10th Age of Aries
where eventually Moses was the initiator by way of Divine intervention
of the 10 Plagues and the 10 Commandments,
at which point Judah was 10 generations from David (the stem of Jesse).
Luke's genealogy shows from David (by way of Nathan)
there were 11 groups of 5 verses or 55 generations
to the birth of Jesus in the 11th Age of Pisces.
Actually Luke 3:25 begins with Naum the first generation
of the 11th Age leading to 11 generations to Jesus Christ.
If we add the 3 generations before Judah (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) the total is 58.
The genealogy of Jesus Christ in Matthew 1:17 has great significance in that there were
3 groups of fourteen generations or 42 from Abraham to King David (by way of Solomon)
and to the Exile then the birth of Jesus.
Thus 58 generations in one lineage and 42 in the other lineage leaves a variance of 16.
http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSix/GenerationsOfJesusChrist.htm
Far out information man...not sure I'm diggin' it though :afFro:
Jabcat, you should know being a mod. I'm just the forums :icon_jokercolor:
Interesting thread. What I also find interesting is that there are so many area's that overlap between Christianity and and other world views. I'll see if I can find more stuff that's about the Christain side of 2012
QuoteThe night that Jesus was born, apparently the Age of Aries the ram ended and the Age of Pisces the fishes began. Aries was the age of battle. It was a war-saturated age and the Jewish tribes of the time were no exception. They were as bloodthirsty as they were religious and the chosen people of Israel, from whose lineage Jesus would come, were inclined to forget their LORD on occasion and worship the ram.
In the Age of Pisces, Christianity was born and the awareness of humility and charity. The early Christians used the symbol of the fishes scratched on the walls of their secret hiding places for other Christians during the Roman persecution, and Jesus referred to his disciples as "fishers of men." In the Age of Pisces, the struggle has been for freedom from war and persecution-and a struggle it has been-especially between good and evil.
When Jesus spoke of the Jewish temple, of his body, and how both would be destroyed, it was also meant as a sign of the times. That dark and terrible night there was an earthquake and the temple was rent down the middle. His physical body was dead, and the Age of Pisces became the Beginning of Sorrows.
For two days Jesus was in the grave. He brought in the Age of Pisces of Peace on earth and good will to all, but for "two days" and two thousand years (the Age of Pisces) there would be no peace or good will while his spirit was gone from our presence.
In God's time, one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Son of man [Jesus] was put through a physical death by the forces of evil, but the seed of the serpent only managed to "bruise his heel." The world can never destroy evil, as it is a dimension of God, but we can "bruise its head" and keep it under control. For two thousand years (two days), our world has been torn down the middle, like the temple, between good and evil and we have been spiritually dead like the body of Christ, but the third day is dawning! It is the spiritual resurrection of the Son of God, and there will be peace on earth and good will to all.
The time has come and it is NOW! It is NOT the end of the world as many people fear and the messengers of doom have prophesied. On the contrary, it is the beginning of a New World Order. Jesus will be King of kings and Lord of Lords, not in body, but in the Spirit of God. In astrology, it is known as the Age of Aquarius.
http://www.ambafrance-do.org/spirituality/51054.php
Few snippets from a purely astroloy site. Again a lot of overlap with Christianity. All world views seem to originate from one source.
QuoteHe was born, the Bible says, of a Virgin, the Virgo being the opposite sign of Pisces. Let us also point out that the sign of Virgo is also associated with the wheat head, immaculately white. Indeed, Christ nourished the multitude of people who followed Him with fish and bread.
.......
The pope still wears a mitre, which is in the shape of a fish.
The sign of Pisces is a sign of sacrifice, charity, mercy, compassion and pardon. The entire Christian religion therefore strives in this way. The annual religious period that corresponds to the sign of Pisces is Lent, a period of sacrifice.
QuoteJesus Christ in fact, tells his disciples about the end of the Pisces Age and the beginning of the Aquarian Age and for his followers to make the transition of consciousness and spirituality into the new age. Each age is roughly 2000 age...hmm guys, how long ago did Jesus live? You're right...2000 years. What's coming up? 2012! how interesting indeed!
Here is the Greek translation:
Luke 22:10 says "He said to them: "Look! When YOU enter into the city a man carrying an earthenware vessel of water will meet you. Follow him into the house into which he enters.
Quote
In Matthew 28:20 it states "Surely I am with you always, to the very end of the AGE."
In Matthew 12:32, "The holy spirit will not be forgiven, either in this AGE or in the AGE to come."
In Matthew 13:39, "The harvest is the end of the AGE, and the harvesters are angels". 13:40 "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the AGE".
In Matthew 24:3 "and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the AGE?"
and from Luke 18:30 "the kingdom of God will fail to recieve many times as much in this AGE and, in the AGE to come, eternal life."
First Corinthians 3:6, "We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this AGE or of the rulers of this AGE who are coming to nothing".
Hebrews 6:5 "Who have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the powers of the coming AGE".
Ephesians 3:5, "Which in other AGES was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit."
The word "age" is used many times. Here an age lasts about 2000 years.
Could it mean the Kingdom of Jesus lasts an age=2000 years?
I've usually stayed away from astrological stuff, although one of my favorite writers, J. Preston Eby s/w endorses it through the writings of Bill Briton :mshock:...albeit, from a Christian, "Lord Of All Creation" POV rather than a modern-day "wow, man" occultic one. However, these are quite interesting things you've posted, how as you say, the overlap and citing of Jesus and His reign, etc. Thanks!
Quote"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25
QuoteOne of the great astrological stories in the Bible is the story of the star of Bethlehem. It is written that the star was a sign from God signaling the birth of the Messiah into the world. The three Magi, Persian astrologer-kings, determined the time of this birth by the position of this star. In 1600, Johannes Kepler hypothesized that this star was actually a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. Confirmed by modern astrology, this symbolism ties in with the prophecies of that era concerning a Messiah amongst the Jews. The conjunctions occurred at the end of Pisces, ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is the planet of kings. Saturn is the planet that rules the Jews, thereby giving the king of the Jews. This was a very infrequent triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn and it occurred in the year 7 B.C.
QuoteAccording to Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish historian, the Jewish temple at Jerusalem had the twelve signs of the zodiac inlaid in its floor. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Beit_Alpha.jpg
Josephus also stated that the twelve loaves of showbread in the temple was a reference to the zodiac. In modern times, Israel issued stamps with the zodiac signs identified with the twelve tribes of Israel and the astrological symbolism of the temple.
Quote"And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:25-27)
In the verse above, Christ uses astrology to reveal the "signs" in the sky of his coming.
Quote"Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? (an astrological constellation)" (Job 38:32)
This Bible verse shows God using astrology to answer Job.
QuoteJesus was born under the end of the age of Aries (the ram or lamb) and this may explain why he called himself the "lamb of God." By the time Jesus began his ministry, it was the beginning of the age of Pisces (the fish, the Church age). The sign of the fish has special significance to Christianity because the sign of the fish has been known throughout the millennia to be the sign of Christianity. Jesus recruited "fishermen" as disciples to make them "fishers of men." He fed the masses with a miraculous draft of fishes. His followers were know in Latin as "pisciculi", the "little fishes." A commonly used icon in Christian churches is the "Vesica Piscis", which is Latin for "mouth of the fish". Its shape resembles a fish without a tail. It can be seen in the shape of stained glass windows in many churches and cathedrals. The Pope wears a ceremonial hat in the shape of a fish head.
Around the year 2300 A.D., the end of the age of Pisces will occur. The world will then enter a new age, the age of Aquarius (the Water-Bearer). It should be obvious to Christians that the identity of this "Water-Bearer" is the one who (1) came from the waters of Galilee (2) baptized with water (3) changed water into wine (4) walked on the water (5) washed the feet of others with water (6) calmed the ocean waters (7) gives living water (8) says we must be born of water (9) drank the cup from the Father.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html
Quote from: jabcat on January 31, 2009, 10:32:31 AM
I've usually stayed away from astrological stuff, although one of my favorite writers, J. Preston Eby s/w endorses it through the writings of Bill Briton :mshock:...albeit, from a Christian, "Lord Of All Creation" POV rather than a modern-day "wow, man" occultic one. However, these are quite interesting things you've posted, how as you say, the overlap and citing of Jesus and His reign, etc. Thanks!
Personally I'm not a big believer (read none) of astrology.
That's why I only quoted from sites that at least quote some verses.
IIRC God forbids astrology but promotes astronomy. For me there sometimes is a grey area between them.
The star signs and constelations used in astrology are real (like astronomy).
Things go wrong when they are used to predict this weeks love life. -> see the daily astrology page in the news papers.
About the overlap. ET and UR have overlap too. Because they come clearly from the same source. But if you look real good there are much more overlapping area's troughout the world. Like Chinese great flood stories. Or Chinese stories of the longest night = longest day in the Bible.
Then that New Age stuff. Looks sometimes like a hybrid of astrology and Christianity. Like ETs only focus on fire-verses others seem to focus only on astronomy-verses.
The main question is: Are all the quotes I posted above nonsense? I don't know because I'm not very religious (yet).
But if I was a real Christian I would likely not ignore the quotes because God Himself quite often mentioned/promoted astronomy related things.
The Bible speaks of past present and coming ages.
If a age really is 2000/2160 years long as the quotes suggest I would think the ages in Gods masterplan should all start/end at specific astronomy events/ages.....
"There shall be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars." - Jesus Christ, Luke 21:25
Nah, I certainly think there's something to the signs in the heavens...it's just like so many other things...there's a purity, and then there's a perversion. Sometimes it's hard to separate them and know the difference.
On another note, I'd be disappointed if you ever became religious. But believe on (trust in) our Savior all you want and with all the faith He gives you :thumbsup:.
:cloud9: Anybody ever read, "The Heavens Declare", which I believe was by Preston Eby? It's not a book, but a LONG series of articles about what he said God revealed to him about the constellations. Blessings.....
Quote from: Cardinal on January 31, 2009, 04:51:55 PM
:cloud9: Anybody ever read, "The Heavens Declare", which I believe was by Preston Eby? It's not a book, but a LONG series of articles about what he said God revealed to him about the constellations. Blessings.....
I think Jabcat did:
QuoteI've usually stayed away from astrological stuff, although one of my favorite writers, J. Preston Eby s/w endorses it through the writings of Bill Briton
Link to the mentioned articles: http://sigler.org/eby/heavens.html
Gonna rip that site to .pdf
Thanks Cardinal :thumbsup:
Quote from: Molly on January 16, 2009, 11:34:07 AM
in 2008, 2009, and 2010 there will be one solar eclipse each year and that event will fall like a bullseye right on the first of Av {?} which they say is the dark time in the Jewish calendar for 9 days --it's when they worshipped the golden calf, also when the Babylonians broke through the walls of Jerusalem, the destruction of the Temple in 70 ad. (It was on the 9th of Av [?} that the ten spies brought the bad report, and the Temple was destroyed twice on the 9th of Av).
There are various dates for the destruction of the temple.
Friday August 10th 70AD = Av 15th 3830
Full moon
Feast: Tu B'av
This minor feast today is a little similar to Valentines day.
In the past it was feast of matchmaking (between tribes)
Some other meaning. None of them relavant to this topic.
Av 9th was on a Saturday. August 4th
Feast: Tish Av B'av
The topic of the zodiac has fascinated me to no end. It also got my hands slapped from my supervisor . . . in my excitement, I emailed him about how I was going to go into just the basics of each of the signs . . . man, you should have seen how fast that made him dial up my number . . .called me to his office directly and . . .lovingly of course . . .told me to cease and dissist of all further talk on astroligal matters in the church . . .and not to even continue studying on them in my free time. It was his personal opinion that the best that would come out of such a series of sermons would be confusion at best.
So I quit. But much of what I gathered was from Eby's writings as well. It really is quite fascinating. It's like just about everything else we've talked about when concerning various denominational beleifs . . .everyone seems to have just a strand of the whole truth that they've confiscated and fluffed up that one strand into a full-fledged belief system . .when all it really was, was a strand of the whole truth.
There are so many things that the church now rejects that actually originated with God and has been perverted beyond recognition. There was a prayer someone had on this forum where they felt they were demon oppressed due to communicating with an astrologist. I responded with the same principle, that it originated from God in the first place, but was cautioned even here. This subject to me, is just a part of the many things that are yet to be shaken from our so called theologies and philosophies that Hebrews speaks of. Things that we say God said, that God never said. And things we say God didn't say, that God really did say.
WW. You quoted Jesus was born under the end of the age of Aries (the ram or lamb) and this may explain why he called himself the "lamb of God."
I'm assuming it was from Eby . .really don't know . . .but I would have to say Jesus did not call himself the lamb of God because he was referring to the sign of when he was physically born. I would say, God established in the heavens the sign and title because they prophecy and pronounce the coming of the lamb to the world in the flesh. All things point to Christ . . .Christ does not point to all things . . . not sure if I'm making any sense with that.
So, let's summarize all that could happen on December 21st, 2012, or the 23rd of 2012 depending on who you believe since some scholars interpret the writing on the ancient walls differently:
1. Sun could be turned to darkness and the moon to blood;
2. Everybody could get hemmoroids;
3. Gasoline could fall below a dollar a gallon;
4. Glen Campbell could be forced to apologize for having ever sung Rhinestone Cowboy;
5. Cats, dogs, hamsters, canaries, ferrets, parrots, and dead presidents and prime ministers could cannibalize all of our faces in our sleep because we hadn't switched to Geico Insurance yet;
6. Global warming could successfully be proven to be caused by our remote controls, at which point in order to save the planet all of the governments of the world will issue everybody new remote controls that don't work, at tax payers expenses, of course, and we'll all be forced to watch reruns of Presidential State of the Union addresses for the next 40,000 years without sleep and without death finding us;
7. Elvis Presley could be elected as the head of the European Union, just in time to sing about a whole lotta shakin' going on when the earthquake in the book of Revelation happens;
8. Relief could once again be spelled R, O, L, A, I, D, S;
9. The Titanic could finally reach the U.S.;
10. Fur coats could come to life and run off screaming, even the faux ones;
11. Bad breath could be discovered to be the cure to cancer, diabetes, and AIDS;
12. Nero could rise from the dead as a French prostitute that Elvis Presley would fall in love with and begin singing "Hound Dog" to every night;
13. All of our social security numbers could start with 666;
14. We could all be forced to live on macaroni [without cheese or anything on it] and castor oil for 42 months;
15. All wind chimes could miraculously start playing the theme songs from the Addam's Family and Mash for 42 months and that could wind up being the only music that we have for that whole 42 months as all radio stations, IPods, and music collections and musical instruments miraculously freeze per Bin Ladin's demands;
16. Trees could become rapists that randomly strike everyone without warning;
17. Carl Baugh could win the Nobel Prize;
18. Everyone could have an ATM implanted in the back of their heads, whether they're strong enough to walk around with it or not;
19. All of the governments of the world could start paying all of us taxes;
20. It could be proven that Abraham Lincoln was actually killed by the illuminati;
21. It could be proven that Jesus was crucified by the illuminati;
22. It could be proven that God is a Right-wing Republican;
23. Preparation-H could become mandatory in all of the schools;
24. All women could be forced to take fertility drugs and have 8 kids each year under a new definition of population control;
25. Cars, trucks, vans, and airplanes could become the Transformers;
26. The head of the illuminati could be successfully proven to have been Elmo all this time;
27. Aliens could be proven to have actually lived among us for centuries;
28. Ellen Degeneres could become President of the United States;
29. Snaughty English teachers could gain absolute power over the internet and each webpage with a split infinitive will be taken down;
30. Mechanical bulls could become the new taxi drivers;
31. Robin Williams could be proven to have been Bicentennial Man all of this time;
32. Mandatory eye donation at your 18th birthday could begin;
33. Jesus could come back, only to be chased by Elmo all over the middle east for 7 years;
34. Evolutionary scientists could evolve into rational human beings;
35. Mandatory evacuation of every bird's bowels onto every automobile, boat, plane, and their owners for 7 years straight could begin, with cages everywhere miraculously blowing open so that all birds can comply with fulfilling this curse upon automobiles, boats, planes, and their owners;
36. Mandatory evacuation of everyone from California could begin, with everyone being crammed into FEMA trailers and taken to Rhode Island, or is that Easter Island?;
37. The forced relocation of everyone from Washington D.C. to the commedy channel could begin;
38. Headaches could be proven to be mental telepathy with extraterrestrials at work;
39. Marilyn Monroe could be reincarnated as a writer's stationary;
40. George Burns, Morgan Freeman, or Bruce Almighty could be proven to have been God all of this time;
Did I miss any of the important ones to be on the lookout for that day that they're claiming happens then? And I'm talking about the serious ones, like the ones above that people have been waiting for, for thousands of years!!
all of that time I could have spent praying for all the sinners in Africa . .instead . . .I read all the way through this . . .sigh . . . :LH: :LH: :myahoo: :banana: :banana:
:cloud9: Nathan; I was the one who made the comment about astrology, which is a type of god for many people and a fortunetelling device, in which charts are prepared both for "personality types" and telling the past/present/future. The study of THAT system is not of God, as nothing about it points to Christ, and it most definitely DOES come with an evil spirit all it's own, and absolutely is nothing to play around with or entertain.
I see what Eby received as totally different, for that reason, because God did set many things in the second heaven for signs to point to Christ. Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on February 01, 2009, 04:50:24 AM
:cloud9: Nathan; I was the one who made the comment about astrology, which is a type of god for many people and a fortunetelling device, in which charts are prepared both for "personality types" and telling the past/present/future. The study of THAT system is not of God, as nothing about it points to Christ, and it most definitely DOES come with an evil spirit all it's own, and absolutely is nothing to play around with or entertain.
I see what Eby received as totally different, for that reason, because God did set many things in the second heaven for signs to point to Christ. Blessings....
First . . .you are not the person I was referring to about the cautioning . . .at least I'm about 75% positive it was someone else . .either way . .no problems . . . there are just to many posts that you've posted that have clearly had truth coming from them for me to get all bent up over just one post . . . I truly love and enjoy your heart and perspectives . . .and I respect your opinions very much.
Second, what you explained about the totally different approach . .that was my point . . . the original reality of the stars playing such a big role in proclaiming Christ has been perverted so much to the point that the church not only rejects it, but they go into a state of shock and panic at the "idea" that Christians would be so bold to approach the subject at all. God is realigning the stars all right . . .and we are those stars.
:cloud9: Ok, well I was telling you that I am agreeing with you on the corruption of what HE created, BUT with reservations as to what we open the gate to, if you get my drift. Got to make sure the lees settle to the bottom before we drink, ya know? :laughing7: Blessings....
One of the questions that I always ask when dealing with this subject was . . who really was it that came from the east with the gifts? How did they find Jesus?
Now there's a revelation . . . How did they find Jesus?
:cloud9: In type: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He does after all, reveal Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and He remembered His covenant with them. And, of course, the east speaks of the realm of Spirit and revelation, as His coming is as the sun/lightning from the east unto the west, from the Spirit unto the flesh.
The gifts they brought were representative of the 3 courts, ie. Abraham/gold/Holy of Holies, Isaac/frankincense/inner court, and Jacob/myrrh/outer court, so they clearly had knowledge of the compartments of the tabernacle. And stars are as angels/messages or messengers also. My :2c: Blessings....
Oh my . . . yet another one I never made the connection with before . . . OK I get the gold of Abraham (promise) the incense of prayer and worship of Isaac (laughter) but how does the myrrh fit in with the outer court? Unless it pictures the ointment that the dead are anointed with in preparation for burial . . .which then in reverse would be . . .burial in the myrrh, death in the ground up insence . .and resurrected purity of gold . . .
Is that the connection you see with it as well?
:cloud9: I didn't make the connection either, He did. Myrrh speaks of the bitterness of the cross/outer court experience. Blessings....
PS. I should have added that myrrh mixed with wine was what was offered to Him on the cross, that He refused. It has a numbing effect, and that is why He refused it, because it would have comforted the flesh, ie. lust of the flesh would have lived.
myrrh . . .
myrrh, a bitter gum and costly perfume which exudes from a certain tree or shrub in Arabia and Ethiopia, or is obtained by incisions made in the bark: as an antiseptic it was used for embalming
Interesting, they offered him myrrh and aloe while he was on the cross . . .he turned it away . . .and after he died, they buried him in it.
Jhn 19:39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].
So . . .the wisemen were honoring the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . . .as well as Jesus death, burial and resurrection . . .and it was the stars that led them to his feet . . .
I just think it's so ironic that the church freaks out over the very thing that led wisemen to the feet of Jesus so they could honor his purpose. I know nothing of the literal stars as far as where the constelations are, "what" the constelations are . . .let alone the alignment of them . .but I do know that literally . . .as the physical moon has an affect on the tides of the ocean . . .it also has an affect on our mood swings and personalities . . .literally. We are all miniature replicas of the earth we were created from.
Just something to think about the next time you think you're going into a depression . . . I wonder if the earth is depressed when the tide is going out . . or when it's coming in . . .
:cloud9: Well, it said they saw His star, singular, that was seen in the east/realm of Spirit revelation. Something to ponder, for sure......
What I find strange is that these strangers/scientists/businessmen/magicians traveled all that way to honor the King of the Jews, and the Jews themselves, although they know where Jesus would be born, and it's right next door, just blow the whole thing off. Does that make sense to anyone?
The baby Jesus is first worshipped on this earth by Gentiles...
1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
3When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
5And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
6And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
8And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
9When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
10When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
12And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
--Mat 2
:cloud9: Hey Molly....I find that "strange" too......
Yup, yup, yup!!! That's how revelation begins . . .the Spirit drops these little flags in you that hold you up from just breezing through the passage . . .Dad wants ta show ya sumpn special. :cloud9:
And it's almost always something that leads to something else . .that leads to something else . . .God is so cool!
13And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
--Mat 2
[there came] "wise men" [from the east to Jerusalem,]
G3097
μάγος
magos
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Of foreign origin [H7248]; a Magian, that is, Oriental scientist; by implication a magician: - sorcerer, wise man.
H7248
רב־מג
rab-mâg
rab-mawg'
From H7227 and a foreign word for a Magian; chief Magian; Rab-Mag, a Babylonian official: - Rab-mag.
H7227
רב
rab
rab
By contraction from H7231; abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality): - (in) abound (-undance, -ant, -antly), captain, elder, enough, exceedingly, full, great (-ly, man, one), increase, long (enough, [time]), (do, have) many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much, multiply (-tude), officer, often [-times], plenteous, populous, prince, process [of time], suffice (-ient).
H7231
רבב
râbab
raw-bab'
A primitive root; properly to cast together (compare H7241), that is, increase, especially in number; also (as denominative from H7233) to multiply by the myriad: - increase, be many (-ifold), be more, multiply, ten thousands.
I'd say the majority (especially the Nation of Israel) were blinded, and God chose who He would reveal and use. Still occurring today...working all according to HIS will. God's blessing, James.
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2009, 02:50:16 AM
WW. You quoted Jesus was born under the end of the age of Aries (the ram or lamb) and this may explain why he called himself the "lamb of God."
I'm assuming it was from Eby . .really don't know . . .but I would have to say Jesus did not call himself the lamb of God because he was referring to the sign of when he was physically born. I would say, God established in the heavens the sign and title because they prophecy and pronounce the coming of the lamb to the world in the flesh. All things point to Christ . . .Christ does not point to all things . . . not sure if I'm making any sense with that.
It was not from Elby. Perhaps someone that quoted Elby.
For me, in this case, there is no difference if Christ points to all things, or all things point to Christ.
It's exactly the same for me. The fact is that Jesus and all those things line up. Coincidence?
For me when God created the universe (orbits of planets and stars in this case) He tweaked them in such a way they show the right thing at the right time.
Yesterday I (partly) figured out what the star of Bethelem really was. Same thing. Tweaked design.
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2009, 05:14:31 AM
One of the questions that I always ask when dealing with this subject was . . who really was it that came from the east with the gifts? How did they find Jesus?
Now there's a revelation . . . How did they find Jesus?
Yesterday, I've been trying to figure that out. Even downloaded astronomy software for that reason.
Firstly the 3 men where chief astronomers.
They found Jesus by following as star that stopped above Jesus.
What exactly that star was is not clear; but it was (most likely) no star. Often everything that gives light is called a star. Or reflects light like our moon. I'm not saying that's correct. I'm merly saying it can be confused as such.
Just planets. Or planets in a formation of stars. Remember that astronomy requires a lot of imagination. Did you ever see Scorpio in the sky. A few stars and a lot of imagination...
Same for:
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
I think that very well could be Moon-Venus/Virgo-some starts aligned during daylight or sun on the side.
Ok back the star of Betlehem... Below some possible explanations.
Firstly planets have often secondary meanings
Jupiter - Planet of kings
Mars - War / (blood) red
Mercury - Winged Roman god
Saturn - Rules the Jews
Sun -
Regulus - King star
Venus - Queen star
Virgo - Virgin
Suggestion #1
My favorite because it aligns with other 'calculations' I did for the birth date of Jesus.
I also strongly feel that the important dates in the life of Jesus (birth, ministry, death,...) are on Jewish holidays.
Those meaning of the holidays aligns perfectly with the phase in Jesus' mission. IMO
This variation aligns best with the holy days.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 2:9 .... they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
Ivor Bulmer-Thomas proposes that the Bethlehem Star was simply Jupiter passing through a stationary point in its trek across the sky. When a planet undergoes retrograde motion, it makes a loop against the stars. The planet appears to be stationary at each end of the loop for about a week to the naked eye. Babylonian astronomers had a keen interest in retrograde motions and the wise men may have been at Bethlehem when Jupiter was at a stationary point. In Bulmer-Thomas' theory the
7 B.C.E. triple conjunction and near-conjunction of Mars, Jupiter,
and Saturn in 6 B.C.E. would have alerted the wise men to look for a further sign in the sky.
If they followed Jupiter from the time it emerged from behind the sun in May 5 B.C.E., they would have seen Jupiter pass through a stationary point four months later (about the length of their journey). September
Suggestion #2
I agree with the month and day but not with the year.
A study of the now computerized data by which we can very accurately determine astronomical events of that time gives us the last piece of the puzzle to dating the birth of Christ in September of 3 B.C. In particular, the very noticeable celestial activity of Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, Regulus (the King star), and Venus (the Queen star), and their various combinations of conjunctions in Leo during the nine months leading up to Christ's birth are vital signs to determine the September birth date of our Lord Jesus. And we believe that research shows that he was born on September 11 (Tishri 1 on the Jewish calendar), on which day the sun was in Virgo, as per the prophecy in Revelation 12:1 of "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet"
Suggestion #3
One of the great astrological stories in the Bible is the story of the star of Bethlehem. It is written that the star was a sign from God signaling the birth of the Messiah into the world. The three Magi, Persian astrologer-kings, determined the time of this birth by the position of this star. In 1600, Johannes Kepler hypothesized that this star was actually a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. Confirmed by modern astrology, this symbolism ties in with the prophecies of that era concerning a Messiah amongst the Jews. The conjunctions occurred at the end (??? start) of Pisces, ruled by Jupiter. Jupiter is the planet of kings. Saturn is the planet that rules the Jews, thereby giving the king of the Jews. This was a very infrequent triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn and it occurred in the year 7 B.C.
Quote from: wwThe fact is that Jesus and all those things line up. Coincidence?
For me when God created the universe (orbits of planets and stars in this case) He tweaked them in such a way they show the right thing at the right time.
Yesterday I (partly) figured out what the star of Bethelem really was. Same thing. Tweaked design.
I like the way you put that, ww. God 'tweaked' the universe like a giant Swiss clock, (indeed he 'tweaked' the whole history of mankind,)--to reveal his Son.
:cloud9: Thanks for posting those WW.....I can see astronomers coming to the birth, but I can't see astrologers coming, because of the things God says in the OT about them.
God has a sense of humor I guess: the first ones to see His birth were pagan kings, the first one to see Him raised was probably the woman who had 7 devils cast out of her. I know what the last one signifies, but the first one is bugging me and always has. :dontknow: His ways are past finding out, if He doesn't feel like revealing them..... :winkgrin: Blessings....
Quote from: Cardinal on February 01, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
God has a sense of humor I guess: the first ones to see His birth were pagan kings,
I know nothing about that. Question.
If they where pagan, why all the trouble of predicting, traveling to bring a gift to something they don't believe in?
I would say they would be afraid to bring such honors/gifts to Jesus they don't believe in because it most likely upsets their pagan god(s).
So perhaps they where not really pagan. Or recently converted because they say a prediction come trough?
Quotethe first ones to see His birth were pagan kings
Jesus just came to find the lost sheep. What's the best place to find that sheep? Among pagans perhaps....
They are a mystery--
Why would 'pagan kings' obey God?
12And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
--Mat 2
These are people that God is talking to--
Psalm 8:4
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man [Adam], that thou visitest him?
Or why would 'pagan kings' worship another king, the King of the Jews?
11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him:
--Mat 2
"house"
G3614
οἰκία
oikia
oy-kee'-ah
From G3624; properly residence (abstractly), but usually (concretely) an abode (literally or figuratively); by implication a family (especially domestics): - home, house (-hold).
G3624
οἶκος
oikos
oy'-kos
Of uncertain affinity; a dwelling (more or less extensive, literally or figuratively); by implication a family (more or less related, literally or figuratively): - home, house (-hold), temple.
Quote from: WhiteWings on February 01, 2009, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on February 01, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
God has a sense of humor I guess: the first ones to see His birth were pagan kings,
I know nothing about that. Question.
If they where pagan, why all the trouble of predicting, traveling to bring a gift to something they don't believe in?
I would say they would be afraid to bring such honors/gifts to Jesus they don't believe in because it most likely upsets their pagan god(s).
So perhaps they where not really pagan. Or recently converted because they say a prediction come trough?
Quotethe first ones to see His birth were pagan kings
Jesus just came to find the lost sheep. What's the best place to find that sheep? Among pagans perhaps....
:cloud9: That's a very good question and why I said it is a mystery. I don't know of any Jewish kings from other countries during that time period, do you? Yet they had knowledge they could not have had, ESPECIALLY being from other courtries, unless they were Jews from one of the diasporas, "hidden" in other countries and exalted by God like Joseph?
So perhaps not pagans except in the sense they were were from pagan lands? Or unless He saw fit to raise up some pagans and give them understanding. But to what purpose? Why was it even necessary to have 3 kings there in the first place? To give Herod a head's up? As I said, it's a mystery unless God gives someone understanding. Blessings.....
I think Ernest L Martin had the best explaination for when Christ was born. You can listen to tapes at the bottom of this page.
http://www.askelm.com/star/index.asp
CHB
:cloud9: Thanks CHB, I'll check it out..... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cardinal on February 01, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
:cloud9: Thanks for posting those WW.....I can see astronomers coming to the birth, but I can't see astrologers coming, because of the things God says in the OT about them.
God has a sense of humor I guess: the first ones to see His birth were pagan kings
Simply put the Magi followed the pagan believes of Zoroaster who 'stole' his idea from Daniel.
QuoteBut how, we still may ask, did the heathen Magi, followers of the
teachings of Zoroaster, hear about the prophecy Isaiah pronounced to
the "house of David" more than seven hundred years before? Well,
today we know for sure Zoroaster, the founder of the Persian
religion that is called after him, lived in Babylon from about 560
BC., at a time, when the Jews stayed in the Babylonian Captivity.
The Jews obviously told Zoroaster about Isaiah's prophecy of the
birth of the Messiah from a Jewish virgin of the house of David.
Even the Syrian scholar Abu'l Faragius (1226-1286) states that when
Zoroaster was in Babylon he became a pupil of the prophet Daniel,
who was deported to Babylon from the land of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar
II in 605 BC. And in his History of Dynasties Faragius further
writes that Zoroaster had predicted to the Magi a "new star" would
appear in the skies and signal the birth of a wonderful boy whom
they were to adore. According to the Avesta, the bible of the
Zoroastrians, the redeemer would be born of a virgin. When the new
star appeared in the womb of the celestial Virgin (ERUA), the Magi
knew the Messiah was born from a Jewish virgin, and immediately
started on their long journey to Jerusalem in order to adore the
new-born "King of the Jews."
http://www.biblicalfulfillment.org/id8.html
Quote from: WhiteWings on February 01, 2009, 06:03:47 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on February 01, 2009, 05:40:38 PM
God has a sense of humor I guess: the first ones to see His birth were pagan kings,
I know nothing about that. Question.
If they where pagan, why all the trouble of predicting, traveling to bring a gift to something they don't believe in?
I would say they would be afraid to bring such honors/gifts to Jesus they don't believe in because it most likely upsets their pagan god(s).
So perhaps they where not really pagan. Or recently converted because they say a prediction come trough?
Quotethe first ones to see His birth were pagan kings
Jesus just came to find the lost sheep. What's the best place to find that sheep? Among pagans perhaps....
WW You're killing me man!!! You are the most Chrisitan athiest I've ever met . . .and YOU'RE asking the question about pagans honoring Christ? Am I the only one that sees the irony in this??? :laughing7: :laughing7:
For me, if God can use Pharoah to manifest his glory to all the nations . . then he can use astrologers to come to the Truth of who their source of authority is as well. God uses the natural to reveal the spiritual (Romans 1:20) And using these men who lived solely on natural means which led them straight to the Son where they came and honored his death, burial and resurrection . . .makes you wonder if "they" themselves really knew why they brought the specific gifts they did.
Later I figured out why they searched for Jesus.
Isaiah predicted His birth. Daniel was capitive in Babylonia.
Zororoaster was a pupil of Daniel. He build his own religion based partly on what Daniel thaught him.
The Magi's where looking for a pagan savior but found the original Christan savior.
They/Isaiah did predict the exact details of the star of Bethlem. Personally I can't find them. Archologists found many clay tables it seems. A star went supernova. It's light gets a million times brighter for a few months.
Before and after the start was to faint to see. So it looks like a new star. There is more to it but that star appeared in the belly/womb of constellation Virgo/Virgin.=> one of the many variations that is based on the fact Herod died 2BC. (majority of evidence points to 4BC.
Anyway.... For me Revelation always has been the closing chapter/book of the Bible. But now I start to wonder if the verse below is an 'end times' verse or the birth of Jesus.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
As I said Isaiah has predicted the same thing. If I understood things correctly every verse needs a second verse stating the same to make it true. So this verse could be just that. The problem is that it has been written after the birth of Jesus.
QuoteWW You're killing me man!!! You are the most Chrisitan athiest I've ever met . . .and YOU'RE asking the question about pagans honoring Christ? Am I the only one that sees the irony in this???
There is a verse that says something not to honor God (only) with your lips but also with your heart.
I'm learning things here. So the lips (and mind) part possibly is ok. But my heart??? It feels it still needs a lot of defrosting. That makes me an atheist by by Biblical standards.
I know atheist sites that are run by people that possibly know more about the Bible than the average Christian.
But they only use that knowledge to mock the Bible. So me being here says nothing about the state of my heart.... :2c:
hi jabcat,
something to ad to the conversation:
the Mayans predicted that the "current age" would end on 21 December 2012...they did not say that it would be doomsday.
Something not mentioned here and which is a cosmic fact, is that our galaxy (the milky way) will align with the centre of the universe in December 2012. This would be the first time in 15000 years that this would occur. The mayans, the Magi (babylonians) have predicted this many moons ago already (it is even depicted in their art).
This alignment will form a great galactic cross, actually, two crosses superimposed onto each other.
Also, it is important to know how these predictions were/are made. It has to do with our sun's traverse through the universe through the constellations. Only a few people know that the sun's traverse through the constellations is also changing, and by the time the galactic cross is be formed, there would be a new constellation in play...giving us 13 "signs of the zodiac" instead of 12. The galactic cross is going to form in the middle of this constellation, which is called Ophiucus "the serpent bearer" (between scorpio and saggitarius)...it depicts a man wrestling with a snake holding its tail and head in his hands.
The above is not prophesy, but fact...
and now taking these facts into account and applying it to prophesy...the following pops out for me:
- the Bible says that when Jesus comes again we'll all be seeing his sign in the sky...could the galactic cross be his sign?
- the sign of Ophiucus is quite interesting...a "hidden sign" ie not many know of its existence...a man wrestling with a Snake...mmmm
- the fact that the Magi saw this coming...they also saw Jesus first appearance on earth coming...mmm
- some scientist reckon that when our galaxy (specifically earth and the sun) is aligned with the centre of the universe, we might receive some cosmic rays from the centre of the universe on earth too, changing some of the natural frequencies on earth of all living things and some "evolution" could take place (this one for those metaphysical folks)...
use it...don't use it ;)
:cloud9: If this is true, I find parts of that very interesting. Thanks for posting it. Blessings....
Interesting bit to add this morning. I got a call from a family member, who stated they had just read an article in the paper from an FDIC person, which said the FDIC would be broke by the end of the year. The caller said, and I'll paraphrase, "money is soon going to be worthless. If anyone's going to do anything, they'd better do it now and not wait before it's too late. I've been reading a prophecy book by Texe Marrs, and I agree with everything he says. Not just because it's in the book, but because I see it in scripture. The very next thing that's going to happen is the anti-Christ is going to be revealed. I'm thinking of liquidating all my assets, and dividing it up among family members, so they can pay off things that would help over the next year. The first 3 and a half years [of the tribulation] is going to look pretty good, but then [it's all going to break loose]".
Anyway, you get the picture. I've had to sort through that, dealing with it emotionally, intellectually, and hopefully spiritually...including, we don't intend to take any of the money.
I've written a reply that includes "God will meet all our needs by his riches in Glory,..consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin, and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?, and I do not ask that Thou mayest take them out of the world, but that Thou mayest keep them out of the evil".
So besides "hey, if they're handing out money I'll take some", anyone have any thoughts/reactions at all on this? Don't be too rough, it was a close family member :laughing7:.
God's blessing, James.
James,
Are you saying you don't think we are already living in the time of the great tribulation? Not that America has been completely devastated, but many parts of the world have been suffering terrible horrors - parts of Africa and the Middle East - all the many slain in Iraq under Bush's reign. It does appear that Israel is getting ready to do something severe which may include turning against America and Britain because they want to attack Iran. Anyway - I don't feel very hopeful about the earthly future which is why I often think people like my mother are lucky who just die very easily and quickly. She went in a matter of seconds without knowing the day or the hour she would die and non-violently as well. The radical right wing is talking guns, ammunition, civil war - etc...
Once the infrastructure is removed, people's true spiritual condition is exposed... those who love this world are revealed, those who shrink from death will do anything to survive, many will turn to violence because they are not prepared to accept death. Truthfully, I don't know what to expect. God can stop a spiritual storm in the blink of an eye - so I don't try to predict things in specifics. By nature, none of us really wants to suffer, even if we are willing to suffer.
Suicides are way up in the Army and in the general population as more and more people lose jobs. The numbers for February's job losses were worse than January - astounding numbers of people losing jobs and homes. Demand for products is down. Our consumer driven economy appears to be imploding.
The just shall live by faith. Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Just a few of my thoughts, for what they are worth...
Anne
(Made some additions to my post since you posted Anne.)
Oh, I agree with much of what you say here, Anne. However, especially the part about not really knowing what to expect, so not predicting a lot sometimes...I ask questions, think about things, and offer suggestions...I claim to actually know for absolute certainty very little...I do believe we need to trust God day by day for His blessings of provisions, and that He will bring everything to a good end. Sometimes I just personally have to resort back to the simplest of faith. God's blessing, James.
I'm not sure about the time of the great tribulation...many believers even say there won't be one as "we've been taught", some even say it's already happened (70 AD)...so many of the things I always "knew to be true" God has turned upside for me this past 2-3 years, I'm still searching on a lot of things. What do you think, that we're in it? The family member in question is a very strong advocate for the "rapture", and I believe pre-trib...I thought I might ask them about that, what they believed..
I think we are certainly living in perilous times. The headlines are regularly shocking, especially concerning the murder and sexual abuse of children and women, sexual slavery, and various perversions. Things certainly seem worse to me than they did a decade ago even if I have not been personally affected by a particular incident. I've been shocked also by the numbers of professing Christians who 'politically speaking' have despised the poor and idolized the wealthy. If I had to guess, I'd say yes, we are on the verge of something earth shattering beyond anything we've ever seen. But I can't say, "thus saith the Lord".... I do not mind admitting that I am very perplexed by the conditions around me - worried about my children and my Christian brothers and sisters. Concerned about the suffering that I cannot stop - that has always tormented me. Perhaps I should not let the knowledge of suffering torment me, but it always has. I do try not to focus on the negative, but have never been able to completely ignore it. It is not easy being subjected to mortality. It makes man angry and terrified unless he is walking in the spirit.
the more I hear things along these lines, the stronger I feel about walking in the spirit. Jesus even told the disciples about hearing rumors of where Chirst is . . . we heard it a lot when the hurricane hit New Orleans . . .God's judgment . .we heard it with the twin towers . . .God's judgment . . .everyone will always point to an event happening in their back yard and claim that it's the fulfillment of prophecy . . .when all the while, we're called to walk in the spirit . . .not to try to measure or assess the kingdom of God through observation . . .but yet look at all the Christian leaders out there totally focussed on current problems . . .the reason we are where we are is not because the antichrist is coming . . .the reason we are where we are is because people keep listening to him within themselves.
Just my opinion of course . . . But Jab . . .I agree with you . .your Scripture you quoted was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
I am putting this here because it is what the scientist says about good and evil, and I believe being aware of these studies will be very important in the days ahead. I recently watched the documentary, Taxi to the Dark Side, on amazon video on demand for 5 bucks. It's hard to watch, but, again, very important for the days ahead. Do not ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
The LUCIFER EFFECT: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil
by Philip Zimbardo
In this book, I summarize more than 30 years of research on factors that can create a "perfect storm" which leads good people to engage in evil actions. This transformation of human character is what I call the "Lucifer Effect," named after God's favorite angel, Lucifer, who fell from grace and ultimately became Satan.
Rather than providing a religious analysis, however, I offer a psychological account of how ordinary people sometimes turn evil and commit unspeakable acts. As part of this account, The Lucifer Effect tells, for the first time, the full story behind the Stanford Prison Experiment, a now-classic study I conducted in 1971. In that study, normal college students were randomly assigned to play the role of guard or inmate for two weeks in a simulated prison, yet the guards quickly became so brutal that the experiment had to be shut down after only six days.
How and why did this transformation take place, and what does it tell us about recent events such as the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses in Iraq? Equally important, what does it say about the "nature of human nature," and what does it suggest about effective ways to prevent such abuses in the future?
Please join me in a journey that the poet Milton might describe as making "darkness visible." Although it is often hard to read about evil up close and personal, we must understand its causes in order to contain and transform it through wise decisions and innovative communal actions. Indeed, in my view, there is no more urgent task that faces us today.
http://www.lucifereffect.com/
"The same situation can inspire evil acts in some and heroic acts in others.
To be a hero you have to learn to be a deviant because you are always going against the group."
--Philip Zimbardo
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html
Quote from: Molly on March 07, 2009, 05:13:28 PM
I am putting this here because it is what the scientist says about good and evil, and I believe being aware of these studies will be very important in the days ahead. I recently watched the documentary, Taxi to the Dark Side, on amazon video on demand for 5 bucks. It's hard to watch, but, again, very important for the days ahead. Do not ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
The LUCIFER EFFECT: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil
by Philip Zimbardo
In this book, I summarize more than 30 years of research on factors that can create a "perfect storm" which leads good people to engage in evil actions. This transformation of human character is what I call the "Lucifer Effect," named after God's favorite angel, Lucifer, who fell from grace and ultimately became Satan.
Rather than providing a religious analysis, however, I offer a psychological account of how ordinary people sometimes turn evil and commit unspeakable acts. As part of this account, The Lucifer Effect tells, for the first time, the full story behind the Stanford Prison Experiment, a now-classic study I conducted in 1971. In that study, normal college students were randomly
assigned to play the role of guard or inmate for two weeks in a simulated prison, yet the guards quickly became so brutal that the experiment had to be shut down after only six days.
How and why did this transformation take place, and what does it tell us about recent events such as the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses in Iraq? Equally important, what does it say about the "nature of human nature," and what does it suggest about effective ways to prevent such abuses in the future?
Please join me in a journey that the poet Milton might describe as making "darkness visible." Although it is often hard to read about evil up close and personal, we must understand its causes in order to contain and transform it through wise decisions and innovative communal actions. Indeed, in my view, there is no more urgent task that faces us today.
http://www.lucifereffect.com/
"The same situation can inspire evil acts in some and heroic acts in others.
To be a hero you have to learn to be a deviant because you are always going against the group."
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html
Hmm . . .natural accounts put aside . . .to debate the Lucifer-being-a-fallen-angel issue . .or not to debate . .. beings that it would more than likely hijack Molly's post, I'll choose the latter . . .just know that the guns are loaded on it!!! :laughing7:
QuoteHmm . . .natural accounts put aside . . .to debate the Lucifer-being-a-fallen-angel issue . .or not to debate . .. beings that it would more than likely hijack Molly's post, I'll choose the latter . . .just know that the guns are loaded on it!!!
He's a scientist. Ignore his personal theology. His science is sound. :thumbsup:
So in essence he's saying we must teach ourselves how to control ourselves so that we won't slaughter ourselves?
Quote from: Nathan on March 07, 2009, 05:30:05 PM
So in essence he's saying we must teach ourselves how to control ourselves so that we won't slaughter ourselves?
No lol.
I was hoping you would listen to his lecture (second link) and read about his prison experiment at Stanford (first link).
His experiment demonstrates that very quickly and easily all the things that we identify with can be broken down and transformed by the system or situation we are in, if it is severe enough. Although he was asking students to role play guards and prisoners, within 6 days they had so thoroughly taken on their new roles, that the 'guards' were becoming brutal and the 'prisoners' were breaking down. He had to stop the experiment prematurely.
Jerry Milgram did an experiment where he told subjects he was studying how to improve memory. The 'student' was put behind a screen where he could not be seen by the 'teacher' and the 'teacher' was told to shock the student whenever he got a wrong answer. The subjects who were 'teachers' were just ordinary people hired from the public and paid to participate. The electronic shock meter they were given had dials starting at 15 volts and going to 450 volts. As the shock levels went higher, the dials said danger and were painted red. The 'teachers' (subjects) were told to start at 15 volts and move higher progressively as the student got wrong answers. He could not see the student but could hear him screaming in pain at the higher levels. How many of these teachers went all the way to 450 volts? The psychiatrists predicted only 1 percent would do so. In fact, almost 70 percent went all the way to 450, in spite of the screaming of the 'student.' (There was no real shock, but the teachers didn't know that)
The conclusion is that we are very susceptible to an authority figure or a system which asks us to cross a line we think we would never cross from good to evil.
There's more, but I'll stop there.
Yeah, I've seen that before . . . but other than getting an emotional reaction out of the viewer . . .what's the lesson? I mean, the question is still . . .is the point that we need to learn how to control ourselves so we don't kill ourselves . . .isn't that the point of the experiements? To learn more about how faulty the human phyche is so that we can keep it under better control?
Quote from: Nathan on March 07, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
Yeah, I've seen that before . . . but other than getting an emotional reaction out of the viewer . . .what's the lesson? I mean, the question is still . . .is the point that we need to learn how to control ourselves so we don't kill ourselves . . .isn't that the point of the experiements? To learn more about how faulty the human phyche is so that we can keep it under better control?
well, to me it is interesting because it really proves the Bible. This is why Jesus calls us to not be part of the world.
The world is always putting pressures on us to be a part of one evil system or another. And, most people, if they do not actually do the evil directly themselves, go along with it which is just as bad--because it allows it to continue. We were not on the verge of torturing people in violation of the Geneva convention and our own Constitution, we were doing it for years until some brave whistle blower, an ordinary low level guy in the military, got the word out to higher ups who would put an end to it. Not without cost, because receiving death threats against himself and his family, he had to go into hiding for three years. That is a guy Zimbardo would call a hero. And, he's calling on all of us to be aware of this proclivity in human nature, and to be heroes in waiting for that day that we will be called upon--and to teach our children that heroes are just ordinary people who do the right thing. Jesus calls on us to do the same thing. We are to live consciously and not be following orders in some zombie trance state. We are to do the right thing, even if it costs us everything.
Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?--Mark 8
Quote from: Molly on March 07, 2009, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 07, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
Yeah, I've seen that before . . . but other than getting an emotional reaction out of the viewer . . .what's the lesson? I mean, the question is still . . .is the point that we need to learn how to control ourselves so we don't kill ourselves . . .isn't that the point of the experiements? To learn more about how faulty the human phyche is so that we can keep it under better control?
well, to me it is interesting because it really proves the Bible. This is why Jesus calls us to not be part of the world.
The world is always putting pressures on us to be a part of one evil system or another. And, most people, if they do not actually do the evil directly themselves, go along with it which is just as bad--because it allows it to continue. We were not on the verge of torturing people in violation of the Geneva convention, we were doing it for years until some brave whistle blower, an ordinary low level guy in the military, got the word out to higher ups who would put an end to it. Not without cost, because receiving death threats against himself and his family, he had to go into hiding for three years. That is a guy Zimbardo would call a hero. And, he's calling on all of us to be aware of this proclivity in human nature, and to be heroes in waiting for that day that we will be called upon--and to teach our children that heroes are just ordinary people who do the right thing. Jesus calls on us to do the same thing. We are to live consciously and not be following orders in some zombie trance state. We are to do the right thing, even if it costs us everything.
Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
--Mark 8
Now that you've given that explanation, I totally understand what you're doing . . .sorry about the confusion.
Quote from: Molly on March 07, 2009, 05:13:28 PM
I am putting this here because it is what the scientist says about good and evil, and I believe being aware of these studies will be very important in the days ahead. I recently watched the documentary, Taxi to the Dark Side, on amazon video on demand for 5 bucks.
This one Molly?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0854678/
downloading the dvd now.
Quote from: Molly on March 07, 2009, 05:24:25 PM
He's a scientist. Ignore his personal theology. His science is sound. :thumbsup:
Never trust a scientist if you don't know who is funding his/her research.... :laughing7:
I believe that when Jesus rose on the 3rd day that this had more significance than many imagine. Consider this:
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I believe the 3rd day is on the third 1 thousand year period from that time. If it was from when He was crucified (estimated 30AD) then that would put the completion of the temple at around 2030 when the start of the 3rd day would begin.
Paul
Quote from: trettep on March 08, 2009, 03:15:33 AM
I believe that when Jesus rose on the 3rd day that this had more significance than many imagine.
Paul
:thumbsup:...we barely have a glimpse, and even that's through a glass darkly. One day, face to face...
Face to face with Christ, my Savior,
Face to face - what will it be,
When with rapture I behold Him,
Jesus Christ Who died for me?
Face to face I shall behold Him,
Far beyond the starry sky;
Face to face in all His glory,
I shall see Him by and by!
What rejoicing in His presence,
When are banished grief and pain;
When the crooked ways are straightened,
And the dark things shall be plain.
Face to face I shall behold Him,
Far beyond the starry sky;
Face to face in all His glory,
I shall see Him by and by!
Quote from: trettep on March 08, 2009, 03:15:33 AM
I believe that when Jesus rose on the 3rd day that this had more significance than many imagine. Consider this:
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I believe the 3rd day is on the third 1 thousand year period from that time. If it was from when He was crucified (estimated 30AD) then that would put the completion of the temple at around 2030 when the start of the 3rd day would begin.
Paul
Take that to the next step bro . . .Jesus said "tear down this temple and in three days I WILL REBUILD IT . . .for me, it's not about the tangible temple in Jerusalem where they're going to try to restart what God already tore down . .but it's the fulfillment of the prophetic words Jesus spoke to Peter . . .Upon this rock "I" will build my church . . ." Seems that there's a lot of carpentry taking place when Jesus shows up.
At any rate . . . we are seeing the sun set on the second day of the three days he spoke of . .and we're seeing the dawning of this last day of the last days. And it's not a temple built by men . . .but it's a temple built OF men . . ."What???Know ye not that "you" are a temple of the HG?"
6 days God labored . . .but when the 7th day came, he was at rest . .for the Day of the Lord came, is come, continues to come. The purpose of the 6, was to usher in the 7th. 6, being the number of man . .carnal man . . .when we can come to the end of ourselves, we'll find the day of rest.
But the church, she's just now beginning to see the dawning of the Sabbath day of rest . .when all of our laboring intentions to fulfill the personal requirements of ministry will come to rest . . .where we stop striking the Rock and begin to see the water flow just by speaking to the very rock we've been previously striking. In the spirit is where it's already completed . . .another reason why walking in the spirit is so important for us . .it is there where the dominion is . .where we can rule and reign over our cities, our innermost dwelling places where we'll no longer need our emotional walls to protect our delicate doctrines and principles upon which we've built our personalities . . . there is no more seas here . . .no more conflicts, no more carnal tidal waves crashing at our boundaries of understanding . . . there is only one river here . .the same river that began in the garden of Genesis, rushing through Ezekiel, raging through Galgotha, and pouring out of Revelation . . .it's all about the Sabbath . .the resurrection of dead understanding, and the vibrancy of reproductive life. . .it's here . .it's been here . . .we just need to leave behind the principles of the doctrine of Christ . . .and enter into the perfection of Truth and Light . .it's not a place .it's a person . .the person of Chrsit.
:cloud9: Amen.... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cardinal on March 09, 2009, 09:39:09 PM
:cloud9: Amen.... :thumbsup:
And amen! To God be the glory!
When was the first Temple really torn down....... not in AD 70 as many sem to think
Nor either when Jesus was crucified even though He was the cornerstone because until the last Apostle was taken out of the way by being killed or dying (Until "he who letteth let", that translated means to hold to and guard the truth) the Temple still stood being made up of those who were part of the foundation with Him within them...... or as how Nathan pointed out and agreed upon by others in the preceding pots above was as Jesus said of Peter, (translated means piece of a rock) "on this rock I build my church",....... it was not torn down in one instance but will it be built as one instance?....... Malachi seems to have indicated that it would"
Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Some say the above verse refers to the baptism of the Holy Sprit but the heart of man never became the Temple of the Lord until AFTER one is baptized in the Holy Spirit........ before that it was a only a place for "lucifer man of sin worship".
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on March 15, 2009, 07:17:55 PM
When was the first Temple really torn down....... not in AD 70 as many sem to think
Nor either when Jesus was crucified even though He was the cornerstone because until the last Apostle was taken out of the way by being killed or dying (Until "he who letteth let", that translated means to hold to and guard the truth) the Temple still stood being made up of those who were part of the foundation with Him within them...... or as how Nathan pointed out and agreed upon by others in the preceding pots above was as Jesus said of Peter, (translated means piece of a rock) "on this rock I build my church",....... it was not torn down in one instance but will it be built as one instance?....... Malachi seems to have indicated that it would"
Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Some say the above verse refers to the baptism of the Holy Sprit but the heart of man never became the Temple of the Lord until AFTER one is baptized in the Holy Spirit........ before that it was a only a place for "lucifer man of sin worship".
Blessings
Doug
This conversation could go all over from here . . .not sure which road to take on it. Your first sentence speaks of the 'first" temple being torn down . . .I agree, A.D. 70 was not when the first temple was torn down . . .I believe it was when the "last" temple was torn down . . .maybe I should rephrase that even. It's not the temple that is the focus for me . . .it's the system that the temple represented. For me, Babylon was the first enemy that came in and destroyed the first temple . .which if I'm not mistaken, was Solomon's . .it was built by a 3rd generation (dimension) king. Solomon's reign was what it was because of the position Solomon was in . . . his reign was the only time all the enemies on all sides were at rest with Israel. Because it follows the pattern of the third day . .third generation, third dimension, they are all one and the same.
But the reason why 70 A.D. is such a huge issue for me, is because that ended the animal sacrifices . .it ended the old religious system . . .all the other times when the temple was destroyed, they were able to rebuild and even encouraged by God to do so i order for the sacrifices to continue . . .but after Christ came . . . it was just the opposite. God removed their identity of living out the law through sacrifice and temple worship . .. and Christ replaced the shadow with the substance. It's been 2,000 years now and they still have not been able to sacrifice their animals . . .mysteriously? And even now when you go to Jerusalem and strike up a conversation with any believer over there . . . the rebuilding of the temple is their #1 top priority. All they think about is returning to the animal sacrifices . . . the very thing God removed from them, they're all excited thinking that God is going to let them return to the shadow, even after the source of the shadow has come.
Quote from: Nathan
the rebuilding of the temple is their #1 top priority. All they think about is returning to the animal sacrifices . . . the very thing God removed from them, they're all excited thinking that God is going to let them return to the shadow, even after the source of the shadow has come.
Nathan,
Do you suppose that this will eventually be accomplished, the rebuilding of the temple and sacrificing? I read that they already have a lot of the utensils ready to put in the temple, such as candlesticks, bowels, and so forth. Also they have the Sanhedrin ready.
What if God allows them to build this temple and then he returns to teach them this isn't the way?
Just some thoughts. What is your opinion on this?
CHB
Quote from: CHB on March 16, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan
the rebuilding of the temple is their #1 top priority. All they think about is returning to the animal sacrifices . . . the very thing God removed from them, they're all excited thinking that God is going to let them return to the shadow, even after the source of the shadow has come.
Nathan,
Do you suppose that this will eventually be accomplished, the rebuilding of the temple and sacrificing? I read that they already have a lot of the utensils ready to put in the temple, such as candlesticks, bowels, and so forth. Also they have the Sanhedrin ready.
What if God allows them to build this temple and then he returns to teach them this isn't the way?
Just some thoughts. What is your opinion on this?
CHB
Personally? I want to make sure everyone reading understands it is not my agenda to pursuade others to believe like I do . . .nor is there a teaching planned to be presented on this . . .but my own personal opinion is . .. I don't believe for a moment that God would allow it to happen. For to do so would then indicate that the work of the cross was done either for a temporary time ... from the day Christ died, to the day the temple is reestablished . . .or it was done in vain. The original plan for the sacrifices were soley for the purpose of a temporary atonement until the time was full for the permanent sacrifice to be made.
Jesus did that . . .hands down.
They rejected Jesus . . .but their rejection didn't change the outcome, it just changed the process through which the outcome would manifest. Had they accepted Christ . . .they would have "willingly" stopped the sacrifices on their own due to understanding Christ died ONCE AND FOR ALL . . . and to continue sacrificing animals, is to ignore the whole purpose of Christ to begin with.
The fact that they did not willingly stop sacrificing is only the evidence of their rejection. I'm still kinda curious as to what they did with the veil . . .did they sew it back up??? Did they replace it with a new one? Either way, they continued on . .trying to live as if Christ was not the living sacrifice. So . . . they had to face the consequences of their own choices . . . they chose to keep their identity with the Old covenant while the New Covenant was now in affect . . .and there can not be two covenants existing at the same time . . .something had to give . . .enter the hand of God . . .A.D. 70.
Think about this . . .on the mount of transfiguration . . .there was Moses, Elijah and Christ . . .and what was it that Peter immediately wanted to do? He wanted to pay homage to all three and was rudely interrupted . . . regardless of how much time has passed between then and now . . .God's word never changes right? The rebuilding of the temple . . .for me . . . is returning back to paying homage to Moses . . . Moses . . .in my last calculations . . .was not the Christ. So if God didn't allow anyone other than his beloved Son to receive glory then . . .I seriously doubt he's going to let it happen now. Regardless of how many thousands of people look forward for that thing to be rebuilt . . . I strongly beleive, it's just not going to happen.
Quote from: Nathan on March 16, 2009, 07:21:50 PM
Personally? I want to make sure everyone reading understands it is not my agenda to pursuade others to believe like I do . . .nor is there a teaching planned to be presented on this . . .but my own personal opinion is . .. I don't believe for a moment that God would allow it to happen. For to do so would then indicate that the work of the cross was done either for a temporary time ... from the day Christ died, to the day the temple is reestablished . . .or it was done in vain. The original plan for the sacrifices were soley for the purpose of a temporary atonement until the time was full for the permanent sacrifice to be made.
Jesus did that . . .hands down.
They rejected Jesus . . .but their rejection didn't change the outcome, it just changed the process through which the outcome would manifest. Had they accepted Christ . . .they would have "willingly" stopped the sacrifices on their own due to understanding Christ died ONCE AND FOR ALL . . . and to continue sacrificing animals, is to ignore the whole purpose of Christ to begin with.
The fact that they did not willingly stop sacrificing is only the evidence of their rejection. I'm still kinda curious as to what they did with the veil . . .did they sew it back up??? Did they replace it with a new one? Either way, they continued on . .trying to live as if Christ was not the living sacrifice. So . . . they had to face the consequences of their own choices . . . they chose to keep their identity with the Old covenant while the New Covenant was now in affect . . .and there can not be two covenants existing at the same time . . .something had to give . . .enter the hand of God . . .A.D. 70.
Think about this . . .on the mount of transfiguration . . .there was Moses, Elijah and Christ . . .and what was it that Peter immediately wanted to do? He wanted to pay homage to all three and was rudely interrupted . . . regardless of how much time has passed between then and now . . .God's word never changes right? The rebuilding of the temple . . .for me . . . is returning back to paying homage to Moses . . . Moses . . .in my last calculations . . .was not the Christ. So if God didn't allow anyone other than his beloved Son to receive glory then . . .I seriously doubt he's going to let it happen now. Regardless of how many thousands of people look forward for that thing to be rebuilt . . . I strongly beleive, it's just not going to happen.
Thanks for responding Nathan.
I agree with what you have said but what if Israel doesn't? For instance, don't most of the Israelites think Jesus was just a prophet? Don't they believe Jesus wasn't resurrected? Also, they are still looking for the messiah aren't they? If they believe what I think they believe then, they might build a temple expecting their messiah to come back. God does allow all of these religions to exist and there are some pretty far out beliefs in the world today. I use to belong to a religion who kept all of the feast days, God has allowed it.
Have you read anything on what I mentioned above?
Am just trying to look at this from Israel's point of view.
CHB
From what I know . . .which isn't in-depth at all . .but from what I gather, the temple they want to build can't be built until the existing one there is removed . . .the dome of the rock? Their worst enemy currently occupies the very ground they believe is where their temple it to be built . . . so . . . because of their strict laws . . .they'd rather not have a temple at all . . .than have one in the wrong spot.
"If" they get possession of that spot . .. then I'd look for a war there . . .God isn't going to allow them to build one . . .if they do, he may just step in and do what he did in A.D. 70 all over again. For me, the difference between the "other" religions and Israel is . . .Israel was/is God's chosen nation. It's just like if I expected my neighbors kids to obey the same as my own kids . . .the Gentiles aren't expected to follow Jewish law . . . and . . .the other religions have not been "pulled up by the roots" by God either.
As far as I know, I haven't heard of anyone openly stating the same as I . . .but that's why I made sure all who read this understand clearly . .this is just my personal opinion from where I am right now.
I kind of wonder, if they are so keen on restarting animal sacrifice, why don't they just build another temple somewhere in the world and do it? Or build a temple somewhere else in Jerusalem in a place that won't offend a third of the world's population?
But, then they would have to reinstate the priesthood, and read and follow the Old Testament, which would lead to believing in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and following his commandments-- and seeing that Jesus has fulfilled every one of the Old Testament prophecies, --and then what?
And, then you have to wonder--who is fooling whom?
Quote from: Nathan on March 16, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
From what I know . . .which isn't in-depth at all . .but from what I gather, the temple they want to build can't be built until the existing one there is removed . . .the dome of the rock? Their worst enemy currently occupies the very ground they believe is where their temple it to be built . . . so . . . because of their strict laws . . .they'd rather not have a temple at all . . .than have one in the wrong spot.
"If" they get possession of that spot . .. then I'd look for a war there . . .God isn't going to allow them to build one . . .if they do, he may just step in and do what he did in A.D. 70 all over again. For me, the difference between the "other" religions and Israel is . . .Israel was/is God's chosen nation. It's just like if I expected my neighbors kids to obey the same as my own kids . . .the Gentiles aren't expected to follow Jewish law . . . and . . .the other religions have not been "pulled up by the roots" by God either.
As far as I know, I haven't heard of anyone openly stating the same as I . . .but that's why I made sure all who read this understand clearly . .this is just my personal opinion from where I am right now.
pretty much in agreement there, nate...
Quote from: Nathan
God isn't going to allow them to build one . . .if they do, he may just step in and do what he did in A.D. 70 all over again. For me, the difference between the "other" religions and Israel is . . .Israel was/is God's chosen nation. It's just like if I expected my neighbors kids to obey the same as my own kids . . .the Gentiles aren't expected to follow Jewish law . . . and . . .the other religions have not been "pulled up by the roots" by God either.
Nathan,
I was thinking this also. I have read a book written by Ernest Martin on this temple location and he says the temple wasn't at the Dome of the Rock but about 1/3 mile south of it. He says the temple was situated over the area just above the Gehon Spring. What he says makes a lot of sense but will Israel ever realize this is another question. Besides, God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands. Sure is interesting though.
CHB
QuoteBesides, God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands.
And, he says as much to them in their own Bible, but I think they read the Talmud, instead.
Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Quote from: CHB on March 17, 2009, 01:27:35 AM
Quote from: Nathan
God isn't going to allow them to build one . . .if they do, he may just step in and do what he did in A.D. 70 all over again. For me, the difference between the "other" religions and Israel is . . .Israel was/is God's chosen nation. It's just like if I expected my neighbors kids to obey the same as my own kids . . .the Gentiles aren't expected to follow Jewish law . . . and . . .the other religions have not been "pulled up by the roots" by God either.
Nathan,
I was thinking this also. I have read a book written by Ernest Martin on this temple location and he says the temple wasn't at the Dome of the Rock but about 1/3 mile south of it. He says the temple was situated over the area just above the Gehon Spring. What he says makes a lot of sense but will Israel ever realize this is another question. Besides, God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands. Sure is interesting though.
CHB
Yeah, I've heard there's a squabble over the location as well . . . the other location is their own land . . .but I'm not sure where it is . .but I think it's the same as you're saying . . .it's just a small distance away from the dome of the Rock . . .this could very well be God's way of not allowing them to build it in the first place. I wonder what they'd do if the dome were just handed over to them . . .would they then fight each other over which location it should be built?
Makes me think of a movie. Can't remember the title.
The beast or prophet found ancient books about the location of the temple.
A little digging and they found old foundations. The rebuilding could start. No arguments with the muslims anymore. Start of 3.5 years of peace.
:cloud9: From what I've seen, even most of the Messianic Jews think the natural temple will be rebuilt. That seems to be something they can't let go of. Blessings....
just realized something...most temple rebuilders talk about it being the 3rd temple...its going to be the 4th actually...1st one by Solomon, 2nd by Nehemiah/Esra, 3rd by Herod the Great...and 4th by the Zionists...
we should note that Sephardim Jews ie Torah believing Jews and real descendants of Judah do NOT want to rebuild the temple as far as I know, heck they even do NOT recognize Israel...they're still awaiting God's promise to be fulfilled of bringing them back on His terms, and not by force as the Zionists (Ashkenazis) are doing
Quote from: noname on March 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
just realized something...most temple rebuilders talk about it being the 3rd temple...its going to be the 4th actually...1st one by Solomon, 2nd by Nehemiah/Esra, 3rd by Herod the Great...and 4th by the Zionists...
we should note that Sephardim Jews ie Torah believing Jews and real descendants of Judah do NOT want to rebuild the temple as far as I know, heck they even do NOT recognize Israel...they're still awaiting God's promise to be fulfilled of bringing them back on His terms, and not by force as the Zionists (Ashkenazis) are doing
See . . .now THAT'S another thing to consider . . .great observation there. David wanted to build the first temple and God wouldn't let him . .why? BECAUSE HE WAS A MAN OF WAR . . .but yet these people think that God is going to forcefully remove their enemy . . .and if it's a their own hands . .all better . .but these guys are going to be forcefully removed so they could build the temple again? If God wouldn't let David do it . . a man after his own heart . . .what makes them think that he'll let "them" forcefully rebuild it?
:cloud9: Someone sent me this, and it kinda ties in with this thread in the sense that if they pull it off we will be in a war of unimaginable proportions, no doubt. Cut and paste this into your browser. This is an Arab of unknown nationality giving a lecture on what they are planning to do to us.....it's chilling how easily he discusses killing 350,000 people at one time......
http://www.tangle. com/view_ video.php? viewkey=0861ff3e abea1ceb73e4
Quote from: Cardinal on March 18, 2009, 07:08:15 PM
:cloud9: Someone sent me this, and it kinda ties in with this thread in the sense that if they pull it off we will be in a war of unimaginable proportions, no doubt. Cut and paste this into your browser. This is an Arab of unknown nationality giving a lecture on what they are planning to do to us.....it's chilling how easily he discusses killing 350,000 people at one time......
http://www.tangle. com/view_ video.php? viewkey=0861ff3e abea1ceb73e4
It is chilling. But we should keep in mind that God is ultimately in control. And that the slain of the Lord in 'THAT DAY' shall be many. I think the Day of the Lord is upon us.
I think we should not shrink from death. Jesus did not. Nor did Martin Luther King. It just seems to me like a lot of people spend a lot of time concerning themselves with 'how to survive in this world' (myself included). But I don't think that is a Spirit-led pre-occupation. We HAVE eternal life. We HAVE IT NOW. And also if our mortal body dissolves.
Anne
p.s. I get nothing when I copy and paste that link
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on March 18, 2009, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on March 18, 2009, 07:08:15 PM
:cloud9: Someone sent me this, and it kinda ties in with this thread in the sense that if they pull it off we will be in a war of unimaginable proportions, no doubt. Cut and paste this into your browser. This is an Arab of unknown nationality giving a lecture on what they are planning to do to us.....it's chilling how easily he discusses killing 350,000 people at one time......
http://www.tangle. com/view_ video.php? viewkey=0861ff3e abea1ceb73e4
It is chilling. But we should keep in mind that God is ultimately in control. And that the slain of the Lord in 'THAT DAY' shall be many. I think the Day of the Lord is upon us.
I think we should not shrink from death. Jesus did not. Nor did Martin Luther King. It just seems to me like a lot of people spend a lot of time concerning themselves with 'how to survive in this world' (myself included). But I don't think that is a Spirit-led pre-occupation. We HAVE eternal life. We HAVE IT NOW. And also if our mortal body dissolves.
Anne
p.s. I get nothing when I copy and paste that link
Take the spaces out of it and it will work. I just started listening, but he doesn't quite have his science straight because that would not kill 350K people in one hour. He apparently hasn't heard of Cipro. Other than that, I have to keep listening to see what his point is.
But, this 'Christian' teaching that we are all going to die is what gives me chills. He came to give us life and give it abundantly, not death. In the days of those kings, it is their kingdom that will be replaced, not ours/God's [Dan 2].
A cleaned up link:
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4 (http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4)
Molly,
Jesus himself told us not to fear what man can do to our mortal body and that the servant is not greater than his master. And also to follow him (to the cross). And the entire New Testament is devoted to our awaiting in faith a New Body that is spiritual in the heavens. I don't want to remain in a mortal body. And I don't see why you find this strange.
What about all the many things Jesus said about not loving our lives unto death, etc....???
Anne
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 18, 2009, 08:51:23 PM
A cleaned up link:
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4 (http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4)
I see he has no word in his language for "Rednecks" so he calls them "Rednecks." :laughing7:
He says he's praying for them.
Wonder if he's talking about these guys?
http://www.thirdpositionjustice.net/index.html
Quote from: noname on March 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
just realized something...most temple rebuilders talk about it being the 3rd temple...its going to be the 4th actually...1st one by Solomon, 2nd by Nehemiah/Esra, 3rd by Herod the Great...and 4th by the Zionists...
we should note that Sephardim Jews ie Torah believing Jews and real descendants of Judah do NOT want to rebuild the temple as far as I know, heck they even do NOT recognize Israel...they're still awaiting God's promise to be fulfilled of bringing them back on His terms, and not by force as the Zionists (Ashkenazis) are doing
Things in the Scriptures regarding temples and salvation are completed in threes.......... not that it matters to them but IMO there will never be a fourth temple.
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on March 19, 2009, 04:07:33 AM
Things in the Scriptures regarding temples and salvation are completed in threes ... not that it matters to them but IMO there will never be a fourth temple.
"Many do not make the same mistakes twice; they make them four, five, or six times."You think they would learn, after three times?
peacemaker
Quote from: peacemaker on March 19, 2009, 06:31:16 AM
Quote from: Livelystone on March 19, 2009, 04:07:33 AM
Things in the Scriptures regarding temples and salvation are completed in threes ... not that it matters to them but IMO there will never be a fourth temple.
"Many do not make the same mistakes twice; they make them four, five, or six times."
You think they would learn, after three times?
peacemaker
Men heap together the mistakes of their lives and create a monster they call destiny. -- John Oliver Hobbes
Quote from: peacemaker on March 19, 2009, 06:31:16 AM
"Many do not make the same mistakes twice; they make them four, five, or six times."
You think they would learn, after three times?
peacemaker
Hey! Quit talking about me!!!
Quote from: Molly on March 19, 2009, 12:01:28 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 18, 2009, 08:51:23 PM
A cleaned up link:
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4 (http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4)
I see he has no word in his language for "Rednecks" so he calls them "Rednecks." :laughing7:
He says he's praying for them.
Wonder if he's talking about these guys?
http://www.thirdpositionjustice.net/index.html
The one on the right makes me think of the marshmellow man from Ghostbusters :laughing7:
WhiteWings...
oh my... :laughing7:
Thanks for letting me end my day with laughter..
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on March 18, 2009, 09:41:12 PM
Molly,
Jesus himself told us not to fear what man can do to our mortal body and that the servant is not greater than his master. And also to follow him (to the cross). And the entire New Testament is devoted to our awaiting in faith a New Body that is spiritual in the heavens. I don't want to remain in a mortal body. And I don't see why you find this strange.
What about all the many things Jesus said about not loving our lives unto death, etc....???
Anne
It took me a long time to understand what Jesus was calling us to do. Christians have been taught to be passive, to go along with [evil] 'authority,' to prefer death to life.
Why would a man who told us he had came to give us abundant life choose to go to death on the cross? Do you think he would have done that if he didn't know it was so that we could inherit life? He told us to not be afraid of death, but did he tell us to choose death? No. He told us to choose life.
Our God is all about life, not death!
There is a real enemy, one who chooses death for others. One who continually slams the door of the kingdom in the faces of those trying to enter in. One who chooses tyranny over liberty, death over life, war over peace. One whose sole purpose is to make this life a living hell for others.
Do you really think we have to live this way by some law of the universe? Or have we forgotten the teachings of our God to love God and love our neighbor? To fight this tyranny, yes, we have to take up our cross and follow him, and it might mean death, but we are not to be afraid, just like those fighting Hitler were not to be afraid. We are to follow him fearlessly into all truth, no matter what the cost to us, because only in this way can we make heaven on earth. The choice is ours now, because he has given it to us.
This is a battle for the minds of men, not a battle of flesh against flesh.
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
:cloud9: Amen. I don't want to live in this body of natural flesh, either. If I could throw off this weight of sin that it is, I would in a heartbeat. But neither do I want to die, although especially here in the last year, I can totally understand why illness of this body, unresolved, can make you have days you would prefer it over life. That not withstanding, death is a thief, plain and simple, because it robs Him of a body to dwell in, be resurrected in, minister in, be glorified in.
While no one is saying that we are not going to go if called, the Word plainly states that some are going to see the last enemy defeated while still in the body. I would prefer to be in that camp of believers, but His perfect will is the deciding factor. Blessings to all....
I really believe that this is one theory that has been blown out of proportion. In my humble opinion its nothing more than the end of an ancient calendar no more, no less. This reminds me of the hype produced by Y2K and it did not produce one single cliche in the system. Jesus said believe in his prophets and you shall prosper we should believe in the prophets of the Bible and trust them. Just my two cents.
2012 as the end of the world did freak me out at one point (years ago), but now I think it's just kinda silly. lol I'm not worried about it.
The 'end of the world' is a certain, yet different moment for each person. The end of the world is at the time of our various earthly deaths it seems to me. Could be a minute from now - or years away.
anne
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on May 05, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
The 'end of the world' is a certain, yet different moment for each person. The end of the world is at the time of our various earthly deaths it seems to me. Could be a minute from now - or years away.
anne
I agree Ann........I have been hearing things along that line for some time now.
I see a lot of those events prophesied of in Revelations as right now such as the time we are baptized in the Holy Spirit with Satan being bound or when we first sin after that with him being "loosed for a little while"
I also think it is important that we be compassionate to those who taught us those things even though many of the local churches and clergies think of me as something that means that the end of times is already here with its false prophets....... that makes me wonder when they think they are finally getting out of here.
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on May 05, 2009, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Raggedy Anne on May 05, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
The 'end of the world' is a certain, yet different moment for each person. The end of the world is at the time of our various earthly deaths it seems to me. Could be a minute from now - or years away.
anne
I agree Ann........I have been hearing things along that line for some time now.
I see a lot of those events prophesied of in Revelations as right now such as the time we are baptized in the Holy Spirit with Satan being bound or when we first sin after that with him being "loosed for a little while"
I also think it is important that we be compassionate to those who taught us those things even though many of the local churches and clergies think of me as something that means that the end of times is already here with its false prophets....... that makes me wonder when they think they are finally getting out of here.
Blessings
Doug
I don't. Its the end of an age. False Prophets abound, this Mayan Calendar deal is pitching a false prophecy cause as I recall its not mentioned anywhere in the Bible and if it is would some one be so kind to point it out.
Quote from: Prophet Pete on May 06, 2009, 02:24:29 AM
I don't. Its the end of an age. False Prophets abound, this Mayan Calendar deal is pitching a false prophecy cause as I recall its not mentioned anywhere in the Bible and if it is would some one be so kind to point it out.
Don't what?
False prophets have been around since before "he who letteth let be taken out of the way" (the original apostles) according to scripture.
Now is the time for the true prophets called of God to rebuild the temple in this time to be heard.
Blessings
Doug
I do wonder about there being a time in the future when it would be necessary for God to step in and END this world, because of man taking things too far. Perhaps going over a line that shouldn't be crossed, maybe having to do with cloning perhaps? Or... who knows? Mankind messing around with DNA somehow trying to make man immortal... the thought of "they shall seek death and not find it" pops in my mind. Or perhaps something else entirely that we haven't even begun to think of yet... That it would be extremely merciful of our God to step in and end it. I see it more as a mercy thing than anything else. There is some wacky science out there. Perhaps in the future, people will try to take the "playing God" thing way too far and create creatures that should not have been created.
Who knows??! :dontknow:
I've never been that interested in end times stuff... but I do wonder about God possibly stepping in at some point in the future if things just get beyond out of control and people are going too far over a line that God has drawn.
This line of thinking also makes me wonder about the flood... is it true? did God really destroy the earth before? And if so, maybe it was because they were much further advanced than present time man and THEY had started going too far over the line. Think how long the early people lived... what like 900 years or whatnot? Think of what could be accomplished in that long of a lifetime. Perhaps all of our "technology" of today is just starting to scrape the surface of what pre-flood days people were up to. Seriously. We think they're all walking around technologically inferior... perhaps we are the inferior ones today. Perhaps our technology is nothing. Who knows. If the earth was cleansed, there would be no evidence of THEIR technology.
:mshock:
hmmm. Well just some things that I think about.
:wacko2:
hmmm.
I'm freaking myself out now.
Need to do something to get my mind off of this..
la la la... :knitting:
:laughing7:
Quote from: sparrow on May 06, 2009, 05:18:59 AM
:wacko2:
hmmm.
I'm freaking myself out now.
Need to do something to get my mind off of this..
la la la... :knitting:
:laughing7:
Don't sweat the small stuff Sis
Those seeking death that they cannot find love their lives to much and cannot let go of the old man....... those who will die to self will find death and be resurrected to live in Christ Jesus :bgdance:
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on May 06, 2009, 05:29:50 AM
Quote from: sparrow on May 06, 2009, 05:18:59 AM
:wacko2:
hmmm.
I'm freaking myself out now.
Need to do something to get my mind off of this..
la la la... :knitting:
:laughing7:
Don't sweat the small stuff Sis
Those seeking death that they cannot find love their lives to much and cannot let go of the old man....... those who will die to self will find death and be resurrected to live in Christ Jesus :bgdance:
Blessings
Doug
Good point, bro. :HeartThrob:
:thumbsup:
I agree. I'd never thought about that passage quite that way...in Rev., "they will seek death but cannot find it"...interesting.
Quote from: Livelystone on May 06, 2009, 04:55:33 AM
Quote from: Prophet Pete on May 06, 2009, 02:24:29 AM
I don't. Its the end of an age. False Prophets abound, this Mayan Calendar deal is pitching a false prophecy cause as I recall its not mentioned anywhere in the Bible and if it is would some one be so kind to point it out.
Don't what?
False prophets have been around since before "he who letteth let be taken out of the way" (the original apostles) according to scripture.
Now is the time for the true prophets called of God to rebuild the temple in this time to be heard.
Blessings
Doug
No more so than now...Prophets are Gods way of communicaiting with man kind on earth. They have been his voice throught out the church age....Prophets will not rebuild the temple, and I am not so sure that it will ever happen at least not in our generation. It will happen some day though. Its people buying into this false prophecy of 2012 that disturbs me. How many times have our end been predicted? No concrete evidence to support it.
2012 is the end of the Mayan calendar.
IIRC has to do with a predicted metereor impact.
Perhaps Wormwood mentioned in Revelations.
There is still an open prophesy from when Isreal entered Canaan. 70 Jubilees and sin will end.
The date when they entered Canaan is not acurately know. Anyway according to that 70 Jubilees something is gonna happen in 2016. Or up to 56 years later because the entry date isn't known.
IMO there is a lot of copy-catting between religions. Some some pagan predictions may well be just adapted Bible prophesies. Or in this case based on astronomy.
Actually, the temple is not ours to build. Jesus said that "he" would build the temple in three days after they'd tore it down. Physically, he was speaking to the resurrection of his body after the cross. But spiritually, a day is as a thousand years . . .we are right now entering into the third day where the manifestation of "his" temple is going to appear in us.
And as for when God steps in . . .I don't think he's going to step in because of the actions of men . . .I think he's going to step in because his original plan is coming into it's completion. The evil of carnality doesn't legislate the actions of God. As far as I can understand, the only two things that move God is . . .love and faith.
I've mentioned this before . . .but I really don't think there is going to be any physical temple rebuilt . . . that would be returning back to the Old Covenant system and I just don't think that's a part of God's original plan . .he closed the book on that and no man can open what God has closed.
Do you think, from a futurist perspective, that a major component of God's sending a strong working of delusion to believe a lie is worked out in modern Jerusalem and Israel in the Sinai Pennisnsula?
Quote from: reFORMer on May 06, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
Do you think, from a futurist perspective, that a major component of God's sending a strong working of delusion to believe a lie is worked out in modern Jerusalem and Israel in the Sinai Pennisnsula?
Yeah, I can see that being a large part of the problem with the religious thinking believers. And they aren't seeing it mainly because like an earlier conversation . . cursed is any man who hangs from a tree . . .the curse is really blindness to truth. Anyone who relies on their own cultivated imagery blinds their eyes to see the clarity of their situation.
But that isn't to say that because of their blindness, God's hands are tied. It's saying their blindness is really the manifestation of the prophetic word coming in to view.
Great last several posts, guys. Excellent! Briefly hijacking my own thread, but it ties in in a way. Have you ever noticed in I Corinthians 12, where Paul is talking about the body and spiritual gifts, etc? I just realized today how much he says it's God that...; it is God who is working...to each hath been given....all these doth work the one and same Spirit, dividing each severally as he intendeth...and now, God did set the member each one of them in the body, according as He willed...and some indeed did God set in the assembly...!
That's just a piece of one chapter, and I'd never really noticed it to that extent before. Do you think it might be God that builds things? :thumbsup:
Oh Gosh no . . . are you kidding?
There are people who spent their lifetimes in deep study of the Scripture, that have spent millions of dollars convincing the tv addicted followers that their money was well spent cuz now they have it all figured out . . .
Yup . . .thems the ones ya want to follow . . God? Don't be silly.
:high5:
:cloud9: You know, personally, I don't understand why some believer's on some sites I've seen, get all worked up one way or another over whether or not they're going to rebuild the literal temple or not. :dontknow:
If they don't, it's God, it they do, it's God. Even if they do, it won't effect His ultimate plan of the ages being fulfilled in a people, and to me it would be just a great big "show and tell" aid to further seeing and understanding types and shadows, for those remaining that need to see types and shadows. So I think it's a win/win situation, anyway it goes.
My :2c: Blessings...
Quote from: Nathan on May 06, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
Actually, the temple is not ours to build. Jesus said that "he" would build the temple in three days after they'd tore it down. Physically, he was speaking to the resurrection of his body after the cross. But spiritually, a day is as a thousand years . . .we are right now entering into the third day where the manifestation of "his" temple is going to appear in us.
And as for when God steps in . . .I don't think he's going to step in because of the actions of men . . .I think he's going to step in because his original plan is coming into it's completion. The evil of carnality doesn't legislate the actions of God. As far as I can understand, the only two things that move God is . . .love and faith.
I've mentioned this before . . .but I really don't think there is going to be any physical temple rebuilt . . . that would be returning back to the Old Covenant system and I just don't think that's a part of God's original plan . .he closed the book on that and no man can open what God has closed.
One writer I've read has suggested that should we have a literal physical antichrist appear, that this individual would succeed in re-establishing world culture(s) around the Mosaic Law along with all of its customs and practices, including a rebuilding of and re-institution of worship in the physical temple (which I suppose we could sort of see a "shadow" or spiritual type of in our current institutional church system). So his view would be that any physical rebuilding of the temple would serve as part of some type of ultimate deception by "the" antichrist.
Greetings
My earlier comment regarding the rebuilding of the temple has nothing to do with what is called Israel today. Nor do I think that anything of Israel today has anything to do with any of God's plans for the temple that is to be built that IS HIS BODY !!!!!.........
However concerning the temple that is His body, that temple was not destroyed until the death of the last Apostle or when "he who letteth let be taken out of the way" Even though the Head had ascended unto heaven shortly after the resurrection of Jesus, the Temple that was His Body continued to exist just fine through the other foundational stones (apostles) that were aligned and on one accord with the cornerstone Jesus up until the death of the last one. After that it was taken over by the false prophets that form the tail of the dragon that has been in control of the pulpit ever since then and through their lies they are still casting down Christians from their inheritance just as the original true apostles warned us would happen
Israel in the ME may be all about Satan's plans for the world and for the church but not God's........ God is Holy and that is something that the country of Israel never will be. Just as Egypt was needed to bring forth His Son so was Israel needed to to be an allegory of the church to show us the way through the the wilderness unto the promise land and what not to do. But now we have His Holy Word (flesh) and His Holy Spirit (blood) for our bodies and that my brothers and sisters is all that is ever going to be needed
Furthermore it will be the Apostles and Prophets that are chosen for this day in time that will build on the same design as the old foundation with Jesus as the Chief Cornerstone....... they are the first of the livelystones who are walking in the same spirit as the fathers, prophets and apostles before us........... that of Moses and Elijah (law and repentance needed to prepare the way).
The law is the schoolteacher that brings us to Christ because it is through the laws of the seed, male and female, sex and marriage, clean and unclean food, etc, etc that we learn all about the "mysteries of Godliness"...... something that the apostles understood very well but that the church is totally void of understanding. Thus Jesus said that those who would teach the law would become great in His Kingdom (Body).
These "temples" will be built in the third day, a time that is now come for the stones to start to be "neatly fitted together" (on "one accord" and "touching the same thing")
Blessings
Doug, that was beautiful--perfect. Thank you. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Livelystone on May 07, 2009, 11:45:29 AM
Greetings
My earlier comment regarding the rebuilding of the temple has nothing to do with what is called Israel today. Nor do I think that anything of Israel today has anything to do with any of God's plans for the temple that is to be built that IS HIS BODY !!!!!.........
However concerning the temple that is His body, that temple was not destroyed until the death of the last Apostle or when "he who letteth let be taken out of the way" Even though the Head had ascended unto heaven shortly after the resurrection of Jesus, the Temple that was His Body continued to exist just fine through the other foundational stones (apostles) that were aligned and on one accord with the cornerstone Jesus up until the death of the last one. After that it was taken over by the false prophets that form the tail of the dragon that has been in control of the pulpit ever since then and through their lies they are still casting down Christians from their inheritance just as the original true apostles warned us would happen
Israel in the ME may be all about Satan's plans for the world and for the church but not God's........ God is Holy and that is something that the country of Israel never will be. Just as Egypt was needed to bring forth His Son so was Israel needed to to be an allegory of the church to show us the way through the the wilderness unto the promise land and what not to do. But now we have His Holy Word (flesh) and His Holy Spirit (blood) for our bodies and that my brothers and sisters is all that is ever going to be needed
Furthermore it will be the Apostles and Prophets that are chosen for this day in time that will build on the same design as the old foundation with Jesus as the Chief Cornerstone....... they are the first of the livelystones who are walking in the same spirit as the fathers, prophets and apostles before us........... that of Moses and Elijah (law and repentance needed to prepare the way).
The law is the schoolteacher that brings us to Christ because it is through the laws of the seed, male and female, sex and marriage, clean and unclean food, etc, etc that we learn all about the "mysteries of Godliness"...... something that the apostles understood very well but that the church is totally void of understanding. Thus Jesus said that those who would teach the law would become great in His Kingdom (Body).
These "temples" will be built in the third day, a time that is now come for the stones to start to be "neatly fitted together" (on "one accord" and "touching the same thing")
Blessings
I'm not so sure . . .the idea that law and repentance are requirements . . .For one, Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he accomplished what no man could do . .so if he fulfilled it, I no longer am required to base my relationship with the Father according to it. Secondly, there are only two laws we now are to follow, and truth be told, if Christ is truly in us . . .it isn't even me living by those two laws, it's him manifesting through me . .but they are LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, and LOVE your neighbor as yourself.
Hi Nathan
We are not looking through the same eye here
The law is a schoolteacher to teach us the Word of God and without learning the law you will never come to understanding the knowledge of what is necessary for Priests to know. That is the reason why Jesus said what he did about those who teach the law
From the simple two witnesses to rightly dividing the word to the understanding that Peter got from a God who does not change now saying that all those unclean animals in Peter's vision were fine to eat as long as Peter enjoyed their taste.
That is when Peter learned that the dietary laws were about spiritual food and not physical food. Unless Christians are eating truth their is no increase of light in them to displace the darkness that is of the world even though people can still see by sight in the midst of deep darkness.......... just not by the faith that is not of this world but through the presence of righteousness that is our High Priest Jesus Christ.
Blessings
Doug
...or it's an entirely symbolic number from a book of symbols and events that have already occurred.
Just saying.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Livelystone on May 07, 2009, 05:19:59 PM
Hi Nathan
We are not looking through the same eye here
The law is a schoolteacher to teach us the Word of God and without learning the law you will never come to understanding the knowledge of what is necessary for Priests to know. That is the reason why Jesus said what he did about those who teach the law
From the simple two witnesses to rightly dividing the word to the understanding that Peter got from a God who does not change now saying that all those unclean animals in Peter's vision were fine to eat as long as Peter enjoyed their taste.
That is when Peter learned that the dietary laws were about spiritual food and not physical food. Unless Christians are eating truth their is no increase of light in them to displace the darkness that is of the world even though people can still see by sight in the midst of deep darkness.......... just not by the faith that is not of this world but through the presence of righteousness that is our High Priest Jesus Christ.
Blessings
Doug
You say the law "is" our school master . . but the truth is . . .it is not. It "was" their school master . . .but it was in the context of the Old Covenant . . .and Christ replaced that old belief system with a new one . . .and law is done away and now faith does what law once tried to do.
Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster
Quote from: Nathan on May 07, 2009, 04:37:02 PM
I'm not so sure . . .the idea that law and repentance are requirements . . .For one, Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he accomplished what no man could do . .so if he fulfilled it, I no longer am required to base my relationship with the Father according to it. Secondly, there are only two laws we now are to follow, and truth be told, if Christ is truly in us . . .it isn't even me living by those two laws, it's him manifesting through me . .but they are LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, and LOVE your neighbor as yourself.
Amen, Nathan. Jesus wrote the Law on our hearts of flesh, meaning we don't just follow rules anymore, His Spirit works through us to do His will. IMO, we must not take Jesus' words out of context, when very much of the time He was speaking to the religious of His day, about things to occur by 70 AD (and
I believe, some things to occur at
some point in the future when "so all Israel shall be saved"). I know all don't agree with that last part, but that's not the main point of my post. I knew I wanted to use this verse I just read today, and here it is. I Corinthians 15:10 "and by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace that [is] towards me came not in vain, but
more abundantly than they all did I labor, yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me..."
James
:sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
Nathan
Without Christ you cannot understand the law !!!!
Doug
Dude, I don't want to understand it . . .I'm free from it! :mshock:
Quote from: jabcat on May 07, 2009, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 07, 2009, 04:37:02 PM
I'm not so sure . . .the idea that law and repentance are requirements . . .For one, Jesus fulfilled the law, which means he accomplished what no man could do . .so if he fulfilled it, I no longer am required to base my relationship with the Father according to it. Secondly, there are only two laws we now are to follow, and truth be told, if Christ is truly in us . . .it isn't even me living by those two laws, it's him manifesting through me . .but they are LOVE the Lord your God with all your heart, and LOVE your neighbor as yourself.
Amen, Nathan. Jesus wrote the Law on our hearts of flesh, meaning we don't just follow rules anymore, His Spirit works through us to do His will. IMO, we must not take Jesus' words out of context, when very much of the time He was speaking to the religious of His day, about things to occur by 70 AD (and I believe, some things to occur at some point in the future when "so all Israel shall be saved"). I know all don't agree with that last part, but that's not the main point of my post. I knew I wanted to use this verse I just read today, and here it is. I Corinthians 15:10 "and by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace that [is] towards me came not in vain, but more abundantly than they all did I labor, yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me..."
James
Are the Laws of God really written on your heart? If so you manifest them and are already a finished work
One does and says the abundance of their heart and IF His Laws are all already there than you are manifesting the Law just as He did and because of that have obtained righteousness meaning that healings flow from you just as they did from the Apostles and you can raise the dead.
Do you really understand the laws of homosexuality and HOW Jesus fulfilled them THROUGH NOT HAVING TWO SPIRITS (MALES) TOGETHER IN HIS HEART?
Then and only then you will understand why when Jesus said there were two men in a bed and only one was taken even though homosexuality is a sin and God judges all without respect to persons......... the same with two women and why one was taken.
Doug
1. Grace, after Law
"Law, after that comes Grace (Christ)"
It's faith growing process for each individual has to go through.
That is the order of the life,
so no one can skip "law period" in his life as believer.
Even though Jesus came 2000 years ago,
we are to go through the process of law first, then Christ.
"The End of Days" means "end of my old man" who are under the law
by the coming of Jesus Chirst in me.
Bible expressions like "Jesus replaces the law" or "Jesus completes the law"
mean His work done in one's mind personally, not universally.
Spiritually speaking,
the current Jesus that we have in mind is not Jesus,
he is Moses in nature, unless we have not met Jesus in person.
We are under the law.
2. Homosexuality?
Quote from: Livelystone on May 07, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
Are the Laws of God really written on your heart? If so you manifest them and are already a finished work
One does and says the abundance of their heart and IF His Laws are all already there than you are manifesting the Law just as He did and because of that have obtained righteousness meaning that healings flow from you just as they did from the Apostles and you can raise the dead.
How true!
Quote from: Livelystone on May 07, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
Do you really understand the laws of homosexuality and HOW Jesus fulfilled them THROUGH NOT HAVING TWO SPIRITS (MALES) TOGETHER IN HIS HEART?
Then and only then you will understand why when Jesus said there were two men in a bed and only one was taken even though homosexuality is a sin and God judges all without respect to persons......... the same with two women and why one was taken.
Doug
I never knew that there was a story of two homo in bed in the Bible.
Where is it?
And what is the case of having 2 male spirits together in heart, please?
I believe 'God's laws written on our hearts' applies to every believer on Jesus as Savior, that God in his mercy, has given the faith to believe. I don't believe New Covenant believers are bound by the Old Covenant, nor should that burden of condemnation be placed on those set free by Jesus' work on the cross. Further, we should not add unscriptural beliefs to the gospel message of God's marvelous grace.
I believe the following by abraham, site administrator at goodmorningbible.com expresses it well;
Quote: "You are manifestly an epistle of Christ . . . written . . . not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart." (2Co 3:3)
The old covenant of law was written upon "tablets of stone." The new covenant of grace is written upon "tablets . . . of the heart." This is another vital contrast between the old and new covenants. This difference again decides whether we draw upon man's sufficiency or upon God's.
The old covenant message of God's law was written on stones. It called man to holiness, as measured by the character of God. "You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy" (Lev 19:2). The message is magnificent. However, its impact would be limited (by design), since it was written on "tablets of stone." It was inscribed upon an inanimate object that was external to human lives. Consequently, it could not bring life or any provision for transforming lives. The law would function as a perfect standard, revealing our unholiness and convicting us that we needed the help that only Jesus Christ could offer. We needed some means to get the perfect message of the law (holiness) into our innermost being. This is what the new covenant of grace accomplishes.
The new covenant message of God's grace is written on human hearts: "on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart." Grace not only forgives our failure before the law, but it goes to work to develop personal holiness at the very core of our being. This was the promise God gave through His prophets of old, that He would put His holy law into peoples' hearts. The book of Hebrews applies this promise to all believers in Jesus Christ. "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts" (Heb 10:16).
What hope we have through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ! Now, God brings His holiness from an outside standard to an internal resource. Now, the Lord is making His holy demands an internal part of our being. God is stirring holy desires in us. God is developing holy priorities within us and providing spiritual strength within us to walk in more and more godliness. "It is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" (Phi 2:13). - End quote
Day by day, God is destroying the old man within me, bringing me just a little further, step by step into His will and a little more maturity. He often does that through my failures, teaching me, correcting me. "...yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me..." I Cor. 15:10
Thank God He is my Father, Savior, Judge, and Redeemer.
James.
Jabcat saidQuoteFurther, we should not add unscriptural beliefs to the gospel message of God's marvelous grace.
True but being as you have directed that statement to my post and me it shows that on your part there is a lacking in understanding the things of God.
However for your edification read on
The fruit identifies the tree and if Christ who is the tree of life that overcame the curse of the law that defines righteousness is living in ones heart then it is Christ and His works that come forth....... if the works of Christ are not coming forth then it is not Christ who is living and ruling over the heart but instead just a better disciplined form of the first Adam with your name living in your heart in place of Christ.
This is the teaching behind when an unclean spirit gets the boot out of a mans heart (Matt.12; 43-45, Luke 11. 24-26) from when the Holy Spirit comes into it because light displaces darkness. (darkness is NEVER EVER changed to light). But then when he finds and mates up with Eve in the dry places (dust, flesh) he then returns and takes back over trying to appear right (be transformed as Christ) and the person is worse off then before not seeing nor understanding how the law of sin works (NOT THE LAW OF MOSES !!!) and the works of law of sin that identifies the first Adam who along with Eve can only produce good along with evil together rather than just good. Consequently the poor Christian is outside the garden ( "Gan" fence of God and righteousness) looking in instead of being in and to make matters worse they cannot tell the difference. However the Bible tells us that by their fruit (the man of the heart) we shall know them, where they are from and therefore who sent them.
This old man Adam in you knows the law and can read it written upon tablets of stone that get broken because the proof of the pudding is he cannot overcome them as Christ did consequently the life and works of Abel and Cain, good and evil are what comes come forth with Cain being the one who in the end turns out to be his brothers keeper (murderer)
On the other hand if Christ was there in your heart "manifesting and fulfilling the Law of God" that translated means OVERCOMING THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH YOU WOULD BE DOING THE WORKS OF CHRIST. If however you still say Christ is there THAT IS THE SAME AS SAYING "a man who says he has no sin" (1Jn 5) you deceive yourself ...... get my point?
Now if you will admit to who and what is obviously NOT LIVING AND WRITTEN in your heart through the proof given in the scriptures we can make some progress. HOWEVER IF YOU INSIST THAT CHRIST WHO MANIFESTS THE LAW BUT FOR SOME REASON IN YOU IS NOT ADHERING TO THE LAW OF GOD THAT HE FULFILLED AND WRITES ON FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART INCLUDING THE LAW OF THE SEED THAT PRODUCES THE FRUIT OF CHRIST .................. then we need to go to over to the Book of James and find out what is wrong and why CHRIST IS DIFFERENT IN YOU THAN WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH THE FIRST TIME.
You see Brother....... you really do not know the Laws of God and according to Jesus and His Word as found in the Holy Scriptures you need to. Also it is quite apparent that they are not written in your heart
but not because that you do not mean well but because you have been deceived.
Moving on
70sevens askedQuoteI never knew that there was a story of two homo in bed in the Bible.
Where is it?
And what is the case of having 2 male spirits together in heart, please?
Hello 70sevens
Pleased to make your acquaintance.
IMO because the knowledge concerning the laws of male and female are not known Christians as whole are in serious trouble. Because of this we have the well known teaching of Satan that says "my spirit is ok but it is my soul that is the trouble" as one of the chief foundational reasons taught in the church and why the Glory of God remains departed from the Church.
The bed is the heart and this is to be where the Holy Priest in us and a virgin bride will bring forth a male child that is to be caught up to heaven.
However when there are two men in a bed and because homosexuality is a sin that cannot produce a new life we have a problem and one is taken away........ that one taken away is Christ the Holy Spirit who will not share the heart that He has paid for with His Blood with a man of sin........ not today, not tomorrow, not ever !!!!
Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Because it is "night" time means it is a place and time resulting from the lack of knowledge and truth of the Scriptures being taught that causes God's chosen to perish (Hos.4:6) we have two men in the bed instead of just one......... consequently the virgin bride in heaven (Re 21; 1-3) will not come down and bed remains defiled because of the first Adam (the "old man of sin) of 2nd Thessolonians sitting where he ought not. Thus Christ the "acceptable man" departs and the old man saying he is God who now appears transformed as a minister of righteousness remains and the person is worse off than ever. Being as the virgin bride is the mind of Christ she is not fooled but the church both corporately and individually is fooled.
The end result of all that is a clergy running around saying they free from the laws of God that are supposedly written on their hearts teaching others what they think is the truth with the end result being that Christ has no place to rest His head because what is suppose to be His Body, the Church remains defiled and not Holy as commanded to be.
Blessings
Doug
You see Brother....... you really do not know the Laws of God and according to Jesus and His Word as found in the Holy Scriptures you need to. Also it is quite apparent that they are not written in your heart but not because that you do not mean well but because you have been deceived.
This is the kind of fruit that is enedible. An assessment is made, a finger is pointed, and judgment is passed. For me, it should go no further than the assessment . . .anything more is borderline condemnation. And as we all know . . ."Therefore, there now is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
We are all in Christ Jesus . . .we may be at different levels of our relationship in him, but we are in him nonetheless. When I denounce another, what I'm really doing is elevating myself. Which again for me, is where the tree of knowledge of good and evil manifests in me. Just as this tree did exist in the garden, it also exists in me . .but the instruction "do not eat" was in the garden . . .so the instruction "walk in the spirit" is in me. To eat of the tree of knowledge is to step out of the tree of life. How can we release life into another by pronouncing darkness?
I'm stepping out of this conversation after this . . .it's getting too far in the accusational tone for me.
Blessings guys.
Quote from: Nathan on May 08, 2009, 03:22:42 PM
You see Brother....... you really do not know the Laws of God and according to Jesus and His Word as found in the Holy Scriptures you need to. Also it is quite apparent that they are not written in your heart but not because that you do not mean well but because you have been deceived.
This is the kind of fruit that is enedible. An assessment is made, a finger is pointed, and judgment is passed. For me, it should go no further than the assessment . . .anything more is borderline condemnation. And as we all know . . ."Therefore, there now is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
We are all in Christ Jesus . . .we may be at different levels of our relationship in him, but we are in him nonetheless. When I denounce another, what I'm really doing is elevating myself. Which again for me, is where the tree of knowledge of good and evil manifests in me. Just as this tree did exist in the garden, it also exists in me . .but the instruction "do not eat" was in the garden . . .so the instruction "walk in the spirit" is in me. To eat of the tree of knowledge is to step out of the tree of life. How can we release life into another by pronouncing darkness?
I'm stepping out of this conversation after this . . .it's getting too far in the accusational tone for me.
Blessings guys.
Hmmmm
I'll skip the small talk
Anyway........Christ Jesus in you is the seed that is the hope of glory........... Amen? I think so
You in Christ Jesus is the hope of the glory fulfilled......... Amen again? (stop and think about it because the body of Christ needs to be just as the head for the two to be joined together as one dear brother.
Considerable difference !!!
Now are you or anyone else here really in "Christ Jesus" or is it as I say?....... Christ "the seed" that is in you the hope of Glory that gives you the power to become a son of God.
BTW remember in your post above when you called me "Dude" and said that you did not want to know the laws........ you error in your understanding of the Word of God because you do not know them !!! (such as the law of the seed for one) and you must learn them to gain the knowledge that a Priest chosen of the Most High, Praise His name is to have
Blessings
Doug
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Brotherly love please?
I've been thinking about this while mowing my lawn this morning :sweat:, and want to clarify something I said earlier in this thread. I am not saying God can't or won't heal the sick or raise the dead. God can do absolutely anything He chooses to do. He has all power, and He can work through any believer (in fact, anyTHING He so chooses). What I am saying, is I personally don't believe literally raising the dead is a requirement for, or necessarily an indication/mark of, someone saved by the power of the blood. Jesus' death on the cross was not in vain. IMO, His finished work on the cross began, perhaps even completed (up for discussion) the writing of His laws on our heart. It was HIS act, not ours. Those He chooses, He saves. And yes, there's fruit born from that...His fruit. He is the Author and Finisher, the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last. He cried "it is finished!" The saved believer is having the dead raised in him or her every day, as the old man dies and the new man rises. Halleluja! What a Savior.
God's blessing, James.
Quote from: Livelystone on May 08, 2009, 02:42:05 PM
70sevens asked
QuoteI never knew that there was a story of two homo in bed in the Bible.
Where is it?
And what is the case of having 2 male spirits together in heart, please?
Hello 70sevens
Pleased to make your acquaintance.
....
However when there are two men in a bed and because homosexuality is a sin that cannot produce a new life we have a problem and one is taken away........ that one taken away is Christ the Holy Spirit who will not share the heart that He has paid for with His Blood with a man of sin........ not today, not tomorrow, not ever !!!!
Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Because it is "night" time means it is a place and time resulting from the lack of knowledge and truth of the Scriptures being taught that causes God's chosen to perish (Hos.4:6) we have two men in the bed instead of just one......... consequently the virgin bride in heaven (Re 21; 1-3) will not come down and bed remains defiled because of the first Adam (the "old man of sin) of 2nd Thessolonians sitting where he ought not. Thus Christ the "acceptable man" departs and the old man saying he is God who now appears transformed as a minister of righteousness remains and the person is worse off than ever. Being as the virgin bride is the mind of Christ she is not fooled but the church both corporately and individually is fooled.
...
Blessings
Doug
The following verses of Jesus are never meant to speak about homosexuality.
[Luke 17:34-35]
34/ "I tell you, on that night there will be two men in one bed; one will be taken, and the other will be left.
35/ "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken, and the other will be left.
Jesus was saying two types of believers who are "under same condition",
nevertheless, one is taken to Kingdom of God, and the other is left in the world.
Noah vs People dead : They were in the same povince.
Lot vs Sodomites left : They were in the same city.
One man vs the Other man : They were in the same bed.
One Woman vs the Other woman : They were in the same place.
So we must be careful and sober in order to be taken to Kingdom,
even though we are in the same belief of Jesus.
And your explanation is not about homosexuality either.
Livelystone said :
"we have two men in the bed instead of just one........."
Your saying above is not about homosexuality;
it's that the single bed is occupied by two men thing.
Actually, I see the passage about two men in bed, two women working in the field just the opposite when it comes to who's leaving and who's staying . . . the meek inherit the earth . . .just one of many passages revealing that we're not going anywhere . . .it is the ungodly that are being removed, not the godly.
Again, just my point of view and nothing more.
QuoteThe following verses of Jesus are never meant to speak about homosexuality.
[Luke 17:34-35]
34/ "I tell you, on that night there will be two men in one bed; one will be taken, and the other will be left.
35/ "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken, and the other will be left.
Bingo ........ but we still must follow the laws that are applicable here if you want to hear what the spirit is saying
QuoteJesus was saying two types of believers who are "under same condition",
nevertheless, one is taken to Kingdom of God, and the other is left in the world.
One man vs the Other man : They were in the same bed.
One Woman vs the Other woman : They were in the same place.
So we must be careful and sober in order to be taken to Kingdom,
even though we are in the same belief of Jesus.
Nope...... If there were two real men in a real bed neither is ever acceptable to God...... period !!! no ifs, ands, or butts.
The male and female are spirit and soul and you cannot have both the first Adam (your old man) and the second (Jesus) that are two separate spirits in your heart at the same time. Whomever is in your heart is your master and you either serve the one and hate the other or vice versa.
Same with the two women (mind/soul) at the mill that is where things get ground out as in decision making one double minded consequently only one is acceptable (1Pet 1:4).
Quote
And your explanation is not about homosexuality either.
Once again we are using the laws of sex and whom the High Priest can marry to hear what Jesus is saying ......... that is why He taught in parables so not everyone can hear the message. Jesus continually referred to different parts of the law throughout His teachings such as the truth being determined through two witnesses......... which is a fundamental law that we need to follow to understand Isaiah 28 on how to gain knowledge
Then through the laws regarding approvable sex or defiled sex we see where we cannot have spirit and spirit or soul and soul together because it takes spirit and soul (male and female) to procreate. Plus you cannot mix a defiled soul from Adam whom is Eve with the Holy Spirit that is a virgin......This is determined through the marriage laws on who the Holy Spirit in us may take for a wife if we are ever to produce the male child that is to be caught up to heaven signifying us bringing forth a life of Holiness JUST LIKE JESUS WAS!!!!!!!!!!
Without that being done there is no second coming of the same man as Jesus walking on earth again.......... or at least not until everyone of his enemies are conquered and all the Christians have obtained some sort of immortal flesh body (something that I question will ever happen)
Blessings
Doug
Quote from: Nathan on May 08, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
Actually, I see the passage about two men in bed, two women working in the field just the opposite when it comes to who's leaving and who's staying . . . the meek inherit the earth . . .just one of many passages revealing that we're not going anywhere . . .it is the ungodly that are being removed, not the godly.
Again, just my point of view and nothing more.
Just do a quick word study on the word used for "taken" and you will see my point :thumbsup:
Blessings
Doug
Blue letter Bible puts the definition like this . . .for "to be taken"
1) to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
a) an associate, a companion
b) metaph.
1) to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
2) not to reject, not to withhold obedience
2) to receive something transmitted
a) an office to be discharged
b) to receive with the mind
1) by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the tradition proceeds
2) by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers (used of disciples)
All that did was confuse the situation for me all together.
Hi,
1. Homosexuality
Lifestone wrote :
The male and female are spirit and soul and you cannot have both the first Adam (your old man)
and the second (Jesus) that are two separate spirits in your heart at the same time.
Whomever is in your heart is your master and you either serve the one and hate the other or vice versa.
Same with the two women (mind/soul) at the mill that is where things get ground out
as in decision making one double minded consequently only one is acceptable (1Pet 1:4).
How can the above be the explanation of homosexuality I wonder, be it literal or spiritual?
In fact, you are talking about "a person should not have two maters",
and I am not saying this statement is wrong.
However, if you want to apply homosex in this case, you should have explained something like,
"two masters are having an affair with each other" and the spiritual meaning of it,
then I would admit homosexuality is referred here in this verse.
I hope you understand my point.
2. Context
The Scriptures should read in line with the context.
Here Jesus is continuously saying about man to be taken vursus man to be left,
even though they are doing same believers' activities.
As you say you see it otherwise,
then could you please fit the homosexuality into the context?
and rapture of the Christ
if your saying "Thus Christ the "acceptable man" departs and the old man
saying he is God.." means that.
Following are the said verses.
[Luke 17:30-37]
30/ "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.
31/ On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them.
Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.
32/ Remember Lot's wife!
33/ Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
34/ I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.
35/ Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
36/ Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
37/ "Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."
God bless.
Quote from: Nathan on May 08, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
Actually, I see the passage about two men in bed, two women working in the field just the opposite when it comes to who's leaving and who's staying . . . the meek inherit the earth . . .just one of many passages revealing that we're not going anywhere . . .it is the ungodly that are being removed, not the godly.
Again, just my point of view and nothing more.
Hi Nathan,
No, we are not going anywhere physically.
But we are going somewhere spiritually.
As we are, we are in the wilderness in this world,
and need to go to Canaan by the salvation of Jesus.
Canaan is the symbol of Kingdom of God, and that is the good ground.
The meek will inherit the earth, i.e, the good ground (Canaan =Kingdom of God).
We should be taken to Kingdom of God by Jesus,
rather than being left in this sinful world.
As I said, even though we are taken up to the Kingdom,
our physical body will remain in this world pending the physical death.
These are born again men who are living this world with the citizenship of the Heaven.
And they can do what Jesus did for the rest of their life.
What the blessed men they are!
God bless.
One last try on the law as a schoolteacher to bring us to Christ
1. Without knowledge one will not obtain the high callling of "In Christ" that means for us to become through His works and not our own JUST AS CHRIST WAS !!! (Hos.4:6, He.61-3)
2. Several current yet different teachings of the church that are false are exposed to be false through knowledge of the laws. "False knowledge" are lies and God is forced to turn away from us when sin is within us....... believing in a lie is having sin within you
Because of the current thread conversation but by all means not limited to just these false teachings currently taught in the Christian churches and websites we will stay within the current verses and topics (rather than write a study Bible)
First false teaching....... His Holy Spirit teaches my spirit all about what is true and how to become one with the Lord
The word spirit although gender free (unlike soul that is always female) is male but needs to remain gender free because it is found in both men and woman as their source of life and because it needs to take on the submissive characteristic of when the lesser is blessed by the greater yet still within the same sex....... sorry if I cannot make that more clear so blame it on me
To become one with the Lord is the same as a male and a female becoming one flesh (intercourse) and begetting new life....... consequently it takes a male and female to do this and never can two spirits such as "His Spirit and mine" become one........ that is spiritual homosexuality and is outlawed by God in the spirit just as it is in the natural flesh
I certainly hope that it is also apparent that we need to go much deeper than looking at the world as a place where the two men or two women may be together with only one being acceptable and instead look within ourselves as this is where is this parable of the Lord is meant it have its positive effect....... with the male (spirit) and woman (soul) that are within us
Another false teaching...... our spirit is OK but our soul is bad.........Untrue and every spirit has its own soul where the origin of the spirit is made visibly manifest...... because the soul reflects the decisions made by the mind that reflects the spirit that is found in the heart it becomes the seen (through our actions) of what is unseen (the spirit is invisible)
Both the spirit of man (Adam) and the soul that comes with it (Eve) are defiled and cannot be made Holy. They carry the law of sin spoken of by Paul....... this is not a written law like that of Moses that was weak and could not give life because the law of sin is a principality that by definition means it is a life giving force even though because of sin it is a life destined for death....... Consequently in Adam all men die but unfortunately Christians try to make Adam keep him alive and just make him better like Lucifer (Adam) did when he wanted to become like God
Eve too has this law of sin because she was part of the transgression and because of that our soul will never be suitable to be the bride for Christ. The Holy Spirit that is Christ in us is our High Priest and by Law the High Priest can only marry a virgin Virgins are born and not made..... we are to appear as chaste virgins (made virgins) having been cleansed of all the filthy mannerism of our pasts but we never become a virgin having already sinned...... the virgin we need to become the bride is what is reserved for us in heaven (1Pet 1;4) and is given to us i Re.211-3. Remember what Jesus said that nothing can ascend unto heaven that has descended from heaven....... Adam and Eve are of the earth and are to die so that we may be resurrected unto Christ's Spirit and Soul thus putting off mortality and putting on immortality
I could write page after page along just these couple of laws but in the end if one does not hear it from the Lord they will not hear it from me......... so I will leave it between you and Him ........ but if you turn your back on the law as schoolteacher and ignore the words of Jesus who warn us not to do so you will never ever learn the things that are needed to know or how to prove false all the lies about spirit and brides and what will ascend unto heaven and what will not.
In other words without learning the spiritual applications of the Laws of God one will not obtain the truth of foundational doctrines spoken of in He 6 that are necessary to have before one will be moved by the Lord unto perfection....... end of story!!!
Blessings and much love in Christ Jesus
Doug
Spiritual meaning of the homosexuality:
First,
we need to know the spiritual meaning of
the sound man and woman relationship.
1. Man and Woman
Physically :
Man has seed, and woman is to receive the seed and bear a baby.
From Physical to Spiritual :
"Seed" is the word of God, the life of Jesus.
"Man" is the born again man who has the seed, the life of Jesus.
"Woman" is the canal man who are to receive the seed,
and is to bear male child.
And upon delivery of the child, she will be saved.
[1Ti 2:15]
But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith,
love and holiness with propriety.
When woman delivers the male child and is saved, she will also have the same seed.
Now she is no more she, but He, the born again man who has the life of Jesus.
He can now give seed to women for them to have the life of Jesus and to be saved.
He thus became a life-giving spirit as in the 1Co 15:45.
Life-giving life is the loving neighbor as himself.
Let us see the case of Jesus and his disciples.
Jesus is man and disciples are women.
Jesus gave seed to disciples, and disciples delivered man-child at the cross .
[John 16:21]
A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come;
but when her baby is born,
she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
After that, the disciples, as men, were giving seed (preaching the gospel) to others.
Now we, the women spiritually, also have to meet the man who has the seed of life of Jesus,
and conceived by the word and deliver a man-child. By that delivery, we will be saved.
And we will do what Jesus did.
Father versus Instructor :
[1Co 4:15]
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers:
for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Father is the man who has the seed, but instructor has not.
Now we have many instructors in Christ,
who preach Jesus by knowledge acquired from the studies and learning at the seminaries.
They can convey the knowledge of Jesus to others, but not the life of Jesus.
The life of Jesus, we can only receive it from the father.
In this sense, the law as a schoolteacher cannot bring us to Christ.
A schoolteacher teaches and that is why the law is a schoolteacher! ........... Get it ?????????????
If correctly studied in accordance to law and as spoken of by Jesus, David, the OT Prophets and NT Apostles it will teach what is not taught anywhere in any church that I have ever seen in person or online........ and that is a real lot of them.
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on May 10, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
A schoolteacher teaches and that is why the law is a schoolteacher! ........... Get it ?????????????
If correctly studied in accordance to law and as spoken of by Jesus, David, the OT Prophets and NT Apostles it will teach what is not taught anywhere in any church that I have ever seen in person or online........ and that is a real lot of them. Doug
:cloud9: I get it. :thumbsup: Blessings...
Say the truth, then I will get it.
1.
Believing Jesus is not matter of teaching, which is transfer of knowledge,
but matter of giving birth,
so the law, the school teacher could not bring the life of Jesus to the students any way.
I guess you think, but I think not, you have profound insights on the Bible
so you can teach people well and they will get the life of Jesus. No. It's not that.
Your insights are also another type of knowledge, which actually is the law.
Law cannot bring the life of Jesus.
In Christ,
it is not matter much whether you have wonderful insights or poor insights.
What matters is whether you yourself are an instructor or a father.
Please check who you are first, regardless of your knowledge.
[1Co 8:1]
Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge.
Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.
2.
The writers of the Scriptures have written in a most efficient way.
No one, including you, cannot do any better.
Even if you do, the readers, the sinners, will refuse to understand it still.
The meaning of the Scriptures are hidden to the sinners,
because they do not want to understand it.
Sinners do not want know the real meanings of the Scriptures.
Because the sword, word of God, would do the operation of their sinful nature.
And they, being the slave of the sin, refuse the word of God instinctively.
[Mat 13:14-15]
14/ In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
"'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15/ For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
:cloud9: I think what Livelystone is communicating, is that the law/letter in it's types and shadows IS a schoolteacher. The Spirit of Christ is what reveals or imparts the life hidden in those "bones" (scriptures) where the life that is the "blood" comes from. Natural mirrors spiritual. At least, that is the what I am understanding he is saying. Blessings...
Quote from: Cardinal on May 10, 2009, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: Livelystone on May 10, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
A schoolteacher teaches and that is why the law is a schoolteacher! ........... Get it ?????????????
If correctly studied in accordance to law and as spoken of by Jesus, David, the OT Prophets and NT Apostles it will teach what is not taught anywhere in any church that I have ever seen in person or online........ and that is a real lot of them. Doug
:cloud9: I get it. :thumbsup: Blessings...
I knew you would.....
Blessings to you dear sister
Quote70sevens
Say the truth, then I will get it.
And sad to say I knew that you would not but it is not me you argue with.
FYI this happens to be a law that Jesus is quoting
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.And Peter uses another law (No one witness may be used to establish the truth)
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[/i]
And Paul uses another one
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
So you see...... it is Jesus and His Chosen Prophets and Apostles you are arguing with and not me
Doug
Quote from: Livelystone on May 10, 2009, 06:05:47 PM
[Quote70sevens
Say the truth, then I will get it.
And sad to say I knew that you would not but it is not me you argue with.
FYI this happens to be a law that Jesus is quoting
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And Peter uses another law (No one witness may be used to establish the truth)
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[/i]
And Paul uses another one
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
So you see...... it is Jesus and His Chosen Prophets and Apostles you are arguing with and not me
Doug
1.
[Mat 18:15-16]
15/ "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault,
just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
16/ But if he will not listen, take one or two others along,
so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
Jesus is not Moses.
Moses will judge and apply the law for "each sinful action of ours.'
(You are reading the verse 16 above in this context.)
However, Jesus is the one who changes "our beings which are sinful."
So above verse is not about "one or two sins and applicable laws to them."
But it is saying about "the salvation of the sinful man."
In fact, after that verses Jesus is talking about forgiveness of seventy times seven,
which means once for all forgiveness/salvation of Jesus.
If you wish to teach others following the above verse,
then why don't you observe this commandment of Jesus:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
Do this. Only this one will suffice.
2.
I will not explain other verses that you quoted.
Overall, the scriptures are to be read with full fear of God.
And it will heal the readers.
Do not read/study the Scriptures to get profound insights to teach others,
as the Scriptures is not meant for such.
Nevertheless, if one does so, woe to him.
He will naturally be judging and accusing others to fulfill his selfish desire,
confronting with God. We can easily guess how his end result would be.
I guess you do not understand my previous posts well,
please take time to read it over.
QuoteI will not explain other verses that you quoted.
Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have seen enough twists aqnd turns to last for a very long time
Have a nice life
She's not a Christian, but I found this fascinating as one interpretation out of many possible/probable about apocalyptic dreams that are disasterous rather than the glorious Kingdom of Christ progressing and taking new ground all of the time through the triumphant Church that the gates of Hell can't prevail against:
http://thedreamzone.com/blog/?p=865 (http://thedreamzone.com/blog/?p=865)
:cloud9: Dream 'interpretation' sites always crack me up and this one is no exception. The woman dreams of feeling HEAT/FIRE and that means she's mad at her boyfriend??? Er, maybe not......roflol Blessings.....
Acutally it's very obvious if you know how dreams works Cardinal! :lazy:
:cloud9: Dream interpretation is a gift from the Lord, as Daniel and Joseph demonstrated. Joel says He will give dreams, so it follows He would also give the meaning of them, else why give them? Blessings.....
Quote from: Cardinal on July 24, 2009, 06:29:35 PM:cloud9: Dream 'interpretation' sites always crack me up and this one is no exception. The woman dreams of feeling HEAT/FIRE and that means she's mad at her boyfriend??? Er, maybe not......roflol Blessings.....
Yeah, I agree,
especially with what I've been dealing with in my situation! Always comes back down to your interpretation of fire. Wrathful interpretations of His Fire always come back to an ET mindset [usually] 100% of the time. For Pentecostals, Postmillenialists, Universalists, and Word of Faith folks that [usually] interpret God's Fire along more romantic terms, then a woman's dreams of fire and brimstone regarding her husband could prelude renewal of vows, Ruth-like behaviour at his feet, and a honeymoon that hopefully scares him in a really really good way! As it's no different that you are inevitably your image of your God, [ultimately,] a woman's dreams inevitably take on the image of her husband since Proverbs calls her his crown rather than the red carpet under his feet. God does give the gift of the interpreting of dreams, however even before she ever goes to sleep, as the image of the image of God, she already knows what the dreams will mean when she wakes up, whether her man makes her feel like this :kisshand: or like this :thewife: I believe in prophetic dreams, because of Joel 2, Acts 2, and a lot of other passages, [
however,] a man's value isn't understood or calculated by anyone's dreams anywhere, but by the look on his wife's face, whether he's the unjust judge or Boaz. :bgdance:
:cloud9: Amen, Martin.......Blessings.... :thumbsup:
I have had some extremely strange and lucid dreams lately, some of them frightening, some of them beautiful.
I don't think all my dreams are from God. I do believe some of them have been from him. Generally, when a dream is from God, I am given a memory of it with an interpretation upon awakening.
I find dreams and sleep itself very mysterious.
Anne
Quote from: sparrow on May 06, 2009, 05:13:01 AM
I do wonder about there being a time in the future when it would be necessary for God to step in and END this world, because of man taking things too far. Perhaps going over a line that shouldn't be crossed, maybe having to do with cloning perhaps? Or... who knows? Mankind messing around with DNA somehow trying to make man immortal... the thought of "they shall seek death and not find it" pops in my mind. Or perhaps something else entirely that we haven't even begun to think of yet... That it would be extremely merciful of our God to step in and end it. I see it more as a mercy thing than anything else. There is some wacky science out there. Perhaps in the future, people will try to take the "playing God" thing way too far and create creatures that should not have been created.
Who knows??! :dontknow:
I've never been that interested in end times stuff... but I do wonder about God possibly stepping in at some point in the future if things just get beyond out of control and people are going too far over a line that God has drawn.
This line of thinking also makes me wonder about the flood... is it true? did God really destroy the earth before? And if so, maybe it was because they were much further advanced than present time man and THEY had started going too far over the line. Think how long the early people lived... what like 900 years or whatnot? Think of what could be accomplished in that long of a lifetime. Perhaps all of our "technology" of today is just starting to scrape the surface of what pre-flood days people were up to. Seriously. We think they're all walking around technologically inferior... perhaps we are the inferior ones today. Perhaps our technology is nothing. Who knows. If the earth was cleansed, there would be no evidence of THEIR technology.
:mshock:
hmmm. Well just some things that I think about.
I think the pre flood culture did have some advanced science. According to the bible they were trying to build a tower into heaven, that must have been an incredible feat, seeing how difficult it is today to build our tallest buildings.
The pyramids is another example of their great skills.
Quote from: thinktank on June 20, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
I think the pre flood culture did have some advanced science. According to the bible they were trying to build a tower into heaven, that must have been an incredible feat, seeing how difficult it is today to build our tallest buildings.
The pyramids is another example of their great skills.
If you like that kind of stuff watch Ancient Aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYYmOgdVdI)
:doh: The Mayans obviously knew more than we've given them credit for.
From FoxNews.com - "World to Run Out of Internet Addresses by 2012?"
They were wrong...
The new standard will last 'forever' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6
BTW the Mayan notation of a date looks very similar to the IP adresses we currently use.
The current standard is indeed ending...
I think there is a good chance 2012 will be the end of the "present evil eon".
However, these tragedies that occur, will not come as a result of God's hand, but will be at the hand of men controlling the population of people on a global scale, as well as a total collapse of the global economy.
:cloud9: All these things are POSSIBLE, if for no other reason, because the evil imaginations of men's hearts can produce what they desire. BUT, God is God, not them, and if we keep our eyes on Him, like the Egyptians before them, they will see great wonders and miracles, IMO. Blessings...
Many people think that Jesus will return around 2012 or 2011. I have received some insight as to why this cannot possibly be the case.
Jesus said that "In the hour ye think not the son of man returns"
Since most people believe that he will return in 2012, even those who are not christians believe something supernatural will take place, then the words of Jesus cannot be true.
Jesus will not return to suit mans timetable or fancy he will return at his Fathers perfect will, timing.
2012 is about the return of a comet with a gigantic orbit.
Comet Caesar?
WW, you said in another thread that some calculations (yours?) indicate a return/change around 2016. What do you (and others) think that looks like? What's happening?
I know there are various POVs, interested in hearing some.
Rapture? Physical/literal return of Jesus? His return "only" in a spiritual sense within His children/Sons of God? So resurrection/taking on incorruptability and restoration begins? Or first, tribulation/armageddon/judgment/temporary punishment, then restoration? Is everyone's judging and discipline instant when we die or are resurrected, so there's really no "time gap"? What happens at the end of this age and the beginning of the next, whether it's 2012, 2016, or....
Are there as many thoughts on this as marbles in a bag? Does an ex-drill sergent make a good therapist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdLruOIKmA :happygrin:
Quote from: jabcat on January 05, 2011, 09:14:53 AM
Comet Caesar?
WW, you said in another thread that some calculations (yours?) indicate a return/change around 2016. What do you (and others) think that looks like? What's happening?
Daniel is highly complex. I often end up at 2016 but also a few years later in some cases.
I don't have my notes here right now but one of Daniel's prophesies ended in ~1844. A certain denomination believed Jesus would return then or judgement would start.
I can't find anything special in the history of that year. Not sure but around that time there was a sudden upswing in UR teachings....?
QuoteI know there are various POVs, interested in hearing some.
2012 is simple. The Mayas predicted the world will end then. A huge comet/asteriod Niburu/Planet X etc has a huge spiral orbit. It passed earth a few times (sodom possibly being one of it). Anyway a the radius of the spiral gets smaller each pass. The 2012 pass will be a impact. So imo it's a secular thing. But as said Daniel is complex so I have no doubt it can be molded to end 2012...
QuoteRapture? Physical/literal return of Jesus? His return "only" in a spiritual sense within His children/Sons of God? So resurrection/taking on incorruptability and restoration begins? Or first, tribulation/armageddon/judgment/temporary punishment, then restoration? Is everyone's judging instant? What happens at the end of this age and the beginning of the next, whether it's 2012, 2016, or....
Are there as many thoughts on this as marbles in a bag? Does an ex-drill sergent make a good therapist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdLruOIKmA :happygrin:
I dunno. But for me it's 'sure' it will be on a Sabbath year on 1 Tishri
Creation, Abraham born, Daniel/Ezra decrees, Jesus born, Baptism etc all on 1 Tishri.
So TT :icon_jokercolor: 1 Tishri at around 7pm Jerusalem time as His first comming :laughing7:
Nothing to see here, move along. Whatever you do, don't google 'dead fish birds'.
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Made me thought of that scripture that Jesus said
Where the carcass is, the eagles will gather
same in the UK-along with crabs and fish- but weve Just experienced the Coldert Decebmer on Record, its seem the freezing conditions, at time -19c, let alone the additional Chill factor are being blames for there death :sigh:
It wouldn't surprise me none if this was related to the big BP oil spill.
CHB
Quote from: CHB on January 06, 2011, 07:22:24 PM
It wouldn't surprise me none if this was related to the big BP oil spill.
CHB
Then I would expect all kinds of fish and birds to die.
Quote from: Taffy on January 06, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
same in the UK-along with crabs and fish- but weve Just experienced the Coldert Decebmer on Record, its seem the freezing conditions, at time -19c, let alone the additional Chill factor are being blames for there death :sigh:
Who cares; it were devil crabs... :P
Hyperthermia may not be the problem. The sea around Kent is 8c but the same sea temperature can be found around most of Scotland and there are no reports there of mass deaths. The sea temperature around East Anglia is even cooler at 7c. The sea temperature on the other side of the North Sea close to Denmark is between 3c to 5c. (//http://)http://news1.ghananation.com/international/72020-40-000-devil-crabs-washed-up-on-british-beach-after-freezing-conditions-give-them-hypothermia.html
It all has to do with the effects of Global Warming. I was joking.
I don't see how global warming can kill birds and fish like that. A lot of fish and birds survive in tropic climates where the temperature is much hotter, than in say the UK, likewise they also survive in winter climates.
It could be certain country testing out experimental weapons. I have heard that they are developing super weapons, that efffect weather and the sound waves. These types of super weapons affect the invisible realm. I don't know anything about these weapons, but I do know about a weapon called EMP device, that causes a huge blast of electro current and renders electronic equipment useless. An emp device is more offical than these other weapons and so I thought I'd bring it up.
I heard a prophet though say that God will turn these evil weapons against the users and save his people but only if they please him, repent, trust pray etc, if they are in practicing sin then God might allow these weapons to cause evil to the environment, such as these birds and fish who die.
:2c:
I've heard rumors about a "certain country" testing out experimental weapons for their future war with Iran.
As for 2016, interestingly enough some time ago I read an article that suggested the Mayan calendar could be off a few years, and that the end of the current age could actually be in 2016 instead of 2012.
Quote from: Aleax on January 06, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I've heard rumors about a "certain country" testing out experimental weapons for their future war with Iran.
This weapon? :angelharp:
QuoteAs for 2016, interestingly enough some time ago I read an article that suggested the Mayan calendar could be off a few years, and that the end of the current age could actually be in 2016 instead of 2012.
50-100 years: http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/10/20/mayan_calendar_wrong
Some say it's Revelation's wormwood.
QuoteWho cares; it were devil crabs... :P
Hyperthermia may not be the problem. The sea around Kent is 8c but the same sea temperature can be found around most of Scotland and there are no reports there of mass deaths. The sea temperature around East Anglia is even cooler at 7c. The sea temperature on the other side of the North Sea close to Denmark is between 3c to 5c.http://news1.ghananation.com/international/72020-40-000-devil-crabs-washed-up-on-british-beach-after-freezing-conditions-give-them-hypothermia.html
Lol inded they were
whatever the cause its seems rather strange- :icon_flower:
Remember that guy about 15 years ago who claimed he was running his car on water? Water--that's hydrogen and oxygen.
Now we have the introduction of the gov't general motors hydrogen fuel cell car about to make its debut. Imagine what could be without Satan suppressing science? It only took us 100 years to get out of the model-T...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiCrFp89hU&NR=1
Quote from: Molly on January 06, 2011, 09:24:43 PM
Remember that guy about 15 years ago who claimed he was running his car on water? Water--that's hydrogen and oxygen.
Now we have the introduction of the gov't general motors hydrogen fuel cell car about to make its debut. Imagine what could be without Satan suppressing science?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiCrFp89hU&NR=1
Such is the Nature of the Beast being GREED :icon_flower:
Quote from: Taffy on January 06, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
same in the UK-along with crabs and fish- but weve Just experienced the Coldert Decebmer on Record, its seem the freezing conditions, at time -19c, let alone the additional Chill factor are being blames for there death :sigh:
There are some who say the oil spill broke the Gulf loop, thereby depriving the Gulf stream of a lot of heat and energy, and also relocating the jet stream because of it. I could give links but I don't want to ruin your day plus you know those internet types --they are all so extreme...but they did predict cold weather for you.. :mblush:
Let us know what month you get your thaw, tho...
Isn't corexit a neurotoxin?
Quote from: Molly on January 06, 2011, 09:34:27 PM
Quote from: Taffy on January 06, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
same in the UK-along with crabs and fish- but weve Just experienced the Coldert Decebmer on Record, its seem the freezing conditions, at time -19c, let alone the additional Chill factor are being blames for there death :sigh:
There are some who say the oil spill broke the Gulf loop, thereby depriving the Gulf stream of a lot of heat and energy, and also relocating the jet stream because of it. I could give links but I don't want to ruin your day plus you know those internet types --they are all so extreme...but they did predict cold weather for you.. :mblush:
Let us know what month you get your thaw, tho...
Isn't corexit a neurotoxin?
:icon_flower:
The freeze started early December- its uptp 5c- a mini heat wave, but its only short lived- they reckon March before Temps reach average with more snow this week taking us back in-
and yes - what they spray is - Millions of gallons of it too- who Knows what damgae that will do , the weather makes for a Good cover up on this Isle- :sigh:
:icon_flower:
How unusual is this, Taffy?
Do you normally not get much snow or cold weather?
Quote from: Molly on January 06, 2011, 09:47:24 PM
How unusual is this, Taffy?
Do you normally not get much snow or cold weather?
:icon_flower:
No Molly certainly Not in Dec - our cold weather is Mid Jan through Feb, sometimes into March- but weve experienced Temps not know since the late 1800s when the Thames Froze in London - it might well again before this is all over - Its freaky for sure
:icon_flower:
Instead of global warming some predicted an ice age.
North/middle Europe has to little sunlight for a mild climate. The ocean is just like a hot water tap that heats the continent.
The hot water tap has be shut down before :winkgrin:
But right now it's to soon for frosty horror stories.
Not that long ago winters were much colder where I live.
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 06, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: Aleax on January 06, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I've heard rumors about a "certain country" testing out experimental weapons for their future war with Iran.
This weapon? :angelharp:
QuoteAs for 2016, interestingly enough some time ago I read an article that suggested the Mayan calendar could be off a few years, and that the end of the current age could actually be in 2016 instead of 2012.
50-100 years: http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/10/20/mayan_calendar_wrong
Some say it's Revelation's wormwood.
Yeah, that weapon.
And yes, I've read the salon.com article before, but this other article said 4 years. I don't know.
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 06, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: Aleax on January 06, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I've heard rumors about a "certain country" testing out experimental weapons for their future war with Iran.
This weapon? :angelharp:
very clever :thumbsup:
QuoteAs for 2016, interestingly enough some time ago I read an article that suggested the Mayan calendar could be off a few years, and that the end of the current age could actually be in 2016 instead of 2012.
50-100 years: http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/10/20/mayan_calendar_wrong
Some say it's Revelation's wormwood.
Wormwood seems logical because the planet x they call it is big, so wormwood is also big, hence they conclude both are the same. But they must bear in mind that before wormwood strikes there are many events that must take place, the other judgments have yet to occur and there is no sign of the abomination of desolation making war against the saints. So all of these events and more must take place in the next 2 years in order for wormwood to crash in 2012. I cannot see that happening, there might be calamites of some kind though, but I guess we are used to them these days.
:2c:
Quote from: Molly on January 06, 2011, 09:24:43 PM
Remember that guy about 15 years ago who claimed he was running his car on water? Water--that's hydrogen and oxygen.
Now we have the introduction of the gov't general motors hydrogen fuel cell car about to make its debut. Imagine what could be without Satan suppressing science? It only took us 100 years to get out of the model-T...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiCrFp89hU&NR=1
"Satan suppressing science? " Now just how in the world is this? Please.
Quote from: thinktank on January 06, 2011, 10:13:03 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 06, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
Quote from: Aleax on January 06, 2011, 08:11:53 PM
I've heard rumors about a "certain country" testing out experimental weapons for their future war with Iran.
This weapon? :angelharp:
very clever :thumbsup:
QuoteAs for 2016, interestingly enough some time ago I read an article that suggested the Mayan calendar could be off a few years, and that the end of the current age could actually be in 2016 instead of 2012.
50-100 years: http://www.salon.com/news/trending/2010/10/20/mayan_calendar_wrong
Some say it's Revelation's wormwood.
Wormwood seems logical because the planet x they call it is big, so wormwood is also big, hence they conclude both are the same. But they must bear in mind that before wormwood strikes there are many events that must take place, the other judgments have yet to occur and there is no sign of the abomination of desolation making war against the saints. So all of these events and more must take place in the next 2 years in order for wormwood to crash in 2012. I cannot see that happening, there might be calamites of some kind though, but I guess we are used to them these days.
:2c:
It depends a bit on what you call large. Wormwood is called a star. I can say you one thing it can't be a star. We will all be dead long before it hits earth. Just imaging what happens if a star enters our solar system (gravitational pull).
Planet X/Niburu can't be wormwood either. I just did some Googling and it's estimated diameter is 3000 km.
Compare that to the asteroid that wiped out the dino's. It left a 180 km wide and 10 km deep crater. Impact 100 million megaton force. The a-bomb on Nagasiki was 0.021 megaton. 4.76 billion times weaker.
http://www.universetoday.com/36697/the-asteroid-that-killed-the-dinosaurs/
That's why we are all overeating these days to counteract the gravitational pull of wormwood, it was Gods plan all along :grin:
I'd like to see some use that excuse next time they go to a fast food place :laughing7:
I'm not sure if they are concerned about surviving the actual planet crashing into the earth, it sounds a bit extreme as you noted. But perhaps they are concerned about the effects it may have on the solar system, if it passes to close.
But I think wormwood in the bible crashes into the sea and only a third of the sea die, so either the comet is very small or perhaps by the time the future comes man will develop weapons and preventive measures to destroy the asteroid/comet or at least partially cut it down into meteoroids and divert it into the sea.
Quote[But I think wormwood in the bible crashes into the sea and only a third of the sea die, so either the comet is very small or perhaps by the time the future comes man will develop weapons and preventive measures to destroy the asteroid/comet or at least partially cut it down into meteoroids and divert it into the sea.
:icon_flower:
Maybe we constitute of three PARTS - Spirit Soul and BODY , Each being a THIRD of the WHOLE-
WORMWORD is likened not Just poison to the Flesh [ soul] but also a TWO edged SWORD which Diviides the SOUL
THAT STAR may also BE CHRIST- :icon_flower:
Pro 5:4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword.
Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Quoteperhaps by the time the future comes man will develop weapons and preventive measures to destroy the asteroid/comet or at least partially cut it down into meteoroids and divert it into the sea.
I think you like SciFi movies :winkgrin: http://www.amazon.com/Armageddon-Bruce-Willis/dp/B00000G3PA
You are right it falls in the ocean. That surely dampens the impact. (and cause a huge tidal wave)
We will see in 2012. If nothing happens we wait for 2016 as Aleax mentioned. If nothing happend by then we sure can come up with another year.
My bets are on September 2016 (1 Tishri) and March 2031 2000 years after crucifixion.
And of course 7078. That way nobody can prove me wrong :laughing7:
They laughed at James Bond when he used the gps tracking signal in his Austin Martin. But now people walk around with gps on their mobile phones.
Landing on an asteroid, I wonder how difficult that actually is.....
My best bet would be that they would launch nuclear weapons to engage any incoming asteroids. Maybe that's why wormwood poisons the water, radioactivity from a nuclear weapon, but it could be natural radiation also.
March 2031 2000 years after crucifixion
Seems a good prediction, I hope to live to at least 200 years old though, I want to break Sumo size records of Japan.
And of course 7078. That way nobody can prove me wrong
wings
Pretty low odds though, your total winnings for getting it right = zero
They might decorate your coffin with gold though
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 06, 2011, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 06, 2011, 09:24:43 PM
Remember that guy about 15 years ago who claimed he was running his car on water? Water--that's hydrogen and oxygen.
Now we have the introduction of the gov't general motors hydrogen fuel cell car about to make its debut. Imagine what could be without Satan suppressing science? It only took us 100 years to get out of the model-T...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiCrFp89hU&NR=1
"Satan suppressing science? " Now just how in the world is this? Please.
By working in the sons of disobedience, tempting greed to certain companies, that they in whatever means crush the opposition.
But I think that in honesty we as human beings cannot handle the breakthroughs . We are devloping to quickly in science compared to our spiritual development, so I think God is using the devil and other methods, e.g saints who pray to halt scientific development, to keep us in safety from ourselves.
But I think certain technologies e.g cures e.g for cancer are something that needs to be released, but they are supressing it.
There are also many energy devices that could be utilized. I have seen a motor that runs, on nothing but magnets, it sounds pretty cool.
Quote from: thinktank on January 06, 2011, 05:53:02 PM
Made me thought of that scripture that Jesus said
Where the carcass is, the eagles will gather
The eages fly high, away from earth and up into the heavens, they view from a prophetic perspective. These are not on milk, but are meat eaters. The flesh they partake of is dead.
Indeed ReFORMER
High UPON the wings of an eagle , which soar In the Heavenlies :icon_flower:
as for Eagles- Im sure Nate will not mind me reposting this - :icon_flower:
Eagles . . I love the study of eagles!
One of the coolest things I learned about them is when they molt. When an eagle molts, it searches out an isolated place of solitude. It's beak becomes dull, it's wings won't let it fly, it can easily die in it's "earth bound" condition. It's vulnerable now to animals of prey. It can no longer fly above in the safey of the invisible wind. Then an awesome thing happens . . .other eagles appear overhead with fresh meat . . .as they fly over, they drop the meat to the molting one. They keep watch for prey . .and what's coolest of all for me is, they scream down at the molting eagle to let it know that it's not alone . . that it's being watched over, that it's being protected until it's NEW FEATHERS can grow back IN PLACE OF THE OLD ONES.
They say after an eagle has gone through the molting stage, he comes out stronger than he ever was before he went in.
In Matthew 24, when Jesus just described the events that were to unfold . .in fact, it's the next breath after talking about the lightning going from east to west . . many choose to apply this to be literal . . .but they're cutting out this next verse that the disciples themselves are asking "where" will this happen?
Matthew 24
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
We are the eagles . . this is not saying that when you literally see natural eagles congregating together you're going to see Jesus appear there . . this is saying that Jesus reveals himself to those who come together and feast on the carcass, the body of Christ. Christ MUST be my centerpiece in all things. And as it closes out with verse 29, the sun, moon and stars are representative of the nation of Israel, her light went out when she was destroyed in A.D. 70 and the powers of heaven. . .Israel's entire belief system, was totally shaken . . there was even a literal earthquake at the death of Christ. What we see in the natural are things that have already transpired in the spirit.
Gotta love the eagles. There is no effort in flying, you just simply open your wings of faith and let the invisible things elevate you above all the earth-ridden noise into the limitless glory of his Truth and light.
Mat 24:28 Wheresoever the corpse may be, there will the vultures be gathered."
Mat 24:28 Wheresoever, the corpse, shall be, there, shall be gathered, the vultures!
Thayer Definition:
1) an eagle: since eagles do not usually go in quest of carrion, this may to a vulture that resembles an eagle
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 01:53:45 AM
Mat 24:28 Wheresoever the corpse may be, there will the vultures be gathered."
Mat 24:28 Wheresoever, the corpse, shall be, there, shall be gathered, the vultures!
Thayer Definition:
1) an eagle: since eagles do not usually go in quest of carrion, this may to a vulture that resembles an eagle
Such spiritual enllightenment from Thayers :icon_flower:
even Vultures Feed off DEAD meat which Gives LIFE-
Blesings
:icon_flower:
Eagles are large birds which belong to the family Accipitridae, and to several genera that are not closely related to each other. There are about 60 species of eagles which are seen in Eurasia and Africa, and outside these areas, only two species are seen. These two species are named the Bald eagle and the Golden eagle, which are a common sight in the United States, Canada, South America and Australia. Eagles are preying birds which hunt for their food by keeping an eye on them from the sky and then aiming their glide down for a catch. If you want to know more on what do eagles eat, as they have a wide range of diet options, take a look further into the following paragraphs and find out.
An Eagle's Diet
There is not much of a difference among the diets of both the most commonly found eagle species in the US, the bald and the golden eagle. Before we get into the details about what do eagles eat, let's read a little more about their physical features.
Description
•Eagles are different from the other birds in many ways, like their physical appearance and their habits. They are larger in size, prey eating, more powerful with heavy heads and hooked beaks.
•Their powerful hooked beaks are created so they can tear flesh from their prey and have strong muscular legs to hold the prey while eating.
•The eyesight of an eagle is also one of its best asset, as their extremely large pupils ensure minimal diffraction (scattering) of the incoming light so they can see the prey easily. If you want to know what do hawks eat, take a look.
•They have very large spreading wings, which are broad and relatively longer than other birds. They are more direct and have extra strength to provide faster flight to these carnivorous birds.
What do Bald Eagles Eat?
•The first of the most common eagle species in our country is the bald eagle. Bald eagles are hunters which sit right at the top of their food chains.
•They have excellent vision, both to the front and to the sides, and all the required strength to tear off their food. The large talons on their feet help them to catch their food and hold it still, till their beaks tear it off.
•Bald eagles eat fish, waterfowl, turtles and muskrats. They are capable of carrying about 4 pounds in their talons and hence they don't mind hunting for bigger preys. Also read about bald eagle facts.
•They can also eat dead animals and decaying carcass of dead prey hunted by some other animal on the land. Larger animals like seals or deers can also be their favorites if they are in a group.
What do vultures eat? Dead animals, otherwise known as carrion, such as road kill. Vultures are nature's garbage disposers. They not only eat carrion, but rotting vegetable matter. In some rural parts of South America, people in villages depend on vultures to clean up their garbage. In the urbanized village of Houston, Texas they depend on vultures to clean the roadways of dead animals.
enjoyed that micah :HeartThrob:
Can ya recall Christ who to TEARS at the FLESH shown in Math 23 - HE really renders the FLESH [ carnal minds] of the Pharisees - using SARCASM of all things- Hardly fitiitng of our LORD somethink-
saracasm is GREEK means to TEAR AT- to rip away-yup the carnal Mind again. - :icon_flower:
Quote from: Taffy on January 07, 2011, 03:33:20 AM
enjoyed that micah :HeartThrob:
Can ya recall Christ who to TEARS at the FLESH[ not to eat] shown in Math 23 - HE really renders the FLESH [ carnal minds] of the Pharisees - using SARCASM of all things- Hardly fitiitng of our LORD somethink-
saracasm is GREEK means to TEAR AT- to rip away-yup the carnal Mind again. - :icon_flower:
I dont know what to say except perhaps you are way to deep for me friend.
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 03:29:08 AM
What do vultures eat? Dead animals, otherwise known as carrion, such as road kill. Vultures are nature's garbage disposers. They not only eat carrion, but rotting vegetable matter. In some rural parts of South America, people in villages depend on vultures to clean up their garbage. In the urbanized village of Houston, Texas they depend on vultures to clean the roadways of dead animals.
Thats so true Micah :icon_flower:
I honestly hope you dont really believe that.
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 03:42:55 AM
I honestly hope you dont really believe that.
:icon_flower:
For me Micah - Praise the Lord I no longer dont see in a linear fashion -
where at one time - GOOD always had to be good and CLEAN and bad the opposite- maybe thesedays ones sees how the percieved BAD can bring about GOOD also fulfilling HIS puurpose :cloud9:
Blessings :icon_flower:
Im flabbergasted (no, no exclamation mark not necessary) You my friend are far above me, I am seeing that now. I feel somewhat obtuse in my knowledge now. Peace and Love Through Jesus and Blessings in our journeys in Him.
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 04:04:16 AM
Im flabbergasted (no, no exclamation mark not necessary) You my friend are far above me, I am seeing that now. I feel somewhat obtuse in my knowledge now. Peace and Love Through Jesus and Blessings in our journeys in Him.
:icon_flower:
Micah- Im sure Not ABOVE anyone- God forbid [ and sure wish one could change the I. me etc for something more fitting to HIM]
The Lord Guide you within your Journey also :icon_flower:
Blessings :icon_flower:
:icon_flower:
Hoe does one spell toushea?
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 04:21:56 AM
Hoe does one spell toushea?
:icon_flower:
Who cares :icon_flower:
Back right atcha :icon_flower:
Blessings :icon_flower:
Touché
:happygrin:
Quote from: Molly on January 07, 2011, 05:43:13 AM
Touché
:happygrin:
:icon_flower:
Thats Touch with an E on the end isnt Molly lol
:icon_flower:
Quote from: Taffy on January 07, 2011, 05:46:49 AM
Quote from: Molly on January 07, 2011, 05:43:13 AM
Touché
:happygrin:
:icon_flower:
Thats Touch with an E on the end isnt Molly lol
:icon_flower:
yeah. You know the French. They can't leave well enough alone.
I loved your writings on the eagle, by the way.
Quote from: Molly on January 07, 2011, 05:48:10 AM
Quote from: Taffy on January 07, 2011, 05:46:49 AM
Quote from: Molly on January 07, 2011, 05:43:13 AM
Touché
:happygrin:
:icon_flower:
Thats Touch with an E on the end isnt Molly lol
:icon_flower:
yeah. You know the French. They can't leave well enough alone.
lol yeah we say " lets go the CAF" but the posh say letts Go to the Cafaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Rofl!! :icon_flower:
Quote from: Micah"Satan suppressing science? " Now just how in the world is this? Please
What? lol please what?
Micah, even if you don't know or acknowledge what has been hidden, even if you don't know the electric car was invented in the 1930's, even if you cannot imagine a type of propulsion that uses already free and existing forces to its advantage, surely you must know and ask yourself why you are still driving the model-T, why, given God's economy of abundance, you are still living in an economy of scarcity, of haves and have-nots. Surely you must have asked yourself, is this black, filthy sludge [which they tell us comes from dinosaurs haha] the best we can do 120 years after the invention of wireless electricity?
Surely, in your heart you know these things, don't you? Satan loves the occult, and occult means
hidden. His economy is the economy of destruction. It is the economy of scarcity. And, all that is good is hidden, and parceled out in bits and pieces decades later, if ever, to men who have already been destroyed. And, that principle applies to every field of science you can imagine.
Before dawn he rose as men arrived for work, and he discovered a stairwell to the foundry roof from where he could look out upon the pennisula of the Baku.
It was a world beyond anything he had experienced in the oilfields of Tampico. Here was the limitless economy of destruction stretching inexhaustibly from horizon to horizon. Derricks encased in iron slating for protection against fire were buttressed to each other like a network of endless steel and wood rigging, with great brick stacks smoking in the gold of first light. There were spills of oil around derricks, spills that created rivers following the contours of the earth, spills the size of ponds, the breadth of lakes. And everywhere debris, everywhere garbage, endless cable and masses of iron and metal left to rot and rust in the sun for so long, roads had been built to go around them.--Gardens of Grief, Boston Teran
Readers Digest: Humor is the Best Medicine :laughing7:
Hi Molly :icon_flower:
The eagles post was a C and P By Nathan from the Natural v Spritual thread we had a couple of Yrs back
Micah In reference to
Can ya recall Christ who to TEARS at the FLESH shown in Math 23 - HE really renders the FLESH [ carnal minds] of the Pharisees - using SARCASM of all things- Hardly fitiitng of our LORD somethink-
saracasm is GREEK means to TEAR AT- to rip away-yup the carnal Mind again.
Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me
Draw means to DRAG OFFIF you will- to DRAG off the Flesh[ the carnal soul being enmity shown also as the Natural Man]
Look up the term Flesh- SARX- youll also NOTE it also means to DRAW or Drag OFF, or STRIPPED AWAY- :icon_flower:
Blessings
Like I said, too deep for me, its my short coming I suppose. :sigh: but blessings
This is one reason that your doctrine for me goes awry "(2.) Another thing remarkable concerning the gospel, was, its strange success in those places to which is was spread; it gathered in multitudes, not by external compulsion, but as it were by such a natural instinct and inclination, as brings the birds of prey to their prey; for wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together (Mat_24:28), where Christ is preached, souls will be gathered in to him. The lifting up of Christ from the earth, that is, the preaching of Christ crucified, which, one would think, should drive all men from him, will draw all men to him (Joh_12:32), " Matthew Henry's Commentary
Should guys like Henry and Clark see it that way, for me it enough that it is without value. No worrys. blessings
Quote from: micah7:9 on January 07, 2011, 05:20:07 PM
Like I said, too deep for me, its my short coming I suppose. :sigh: but blessings
:icon_flower:
Morning Micah
No worries :icon_flower:
Blessings
Pigeon apocalypse in Italy....
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221014-Faenza-Italy-The-Rain-of-Death-Turns-Blue-Thousands-of-Doves-Dying
There are certainly many hundreds, probably thousands, of collared dove who are dying at this moment in Faenza. They are in heaps in the flower beds, crushed by machinery in the streets, horribly hung from trees like Christmas balls. Many, many more, say the property information in the fenced land for industrial use.
The WWF has other collections, not all already dead. A dozen, in fact, have been sent to the Center of Recovery 'The Robin of Modena', where those arriving are still alive but died shortly after. Overall, a mystery. Inside the beak, in some animals, the staining was of a strange blue.
What could have caused it? Both the doves collected by the Forestry that those sent by the WWF to the Center of Modena, have been delivered to 'Istituto Zooprofilattico' Emilia Romagna and Lombardy. Nobody, however, you want to say and for the analysis may take a week. Turtledove is possible that the death of a stomach ache ...? So someone would have argued (see article GeaPress). In general, the blue is a sign of hypoxia, caused for example by suffocation. The bluish tint, however, is also typical of potassium cyanide, a deadly poison used, for example, from poachers. Cyanide, however, also causes hypoxia, .... maybe a dove with an upset stomach dies suffocated. Another poison appears bluish in some types of rat poison grains. Of course I believe that the Doves have died choking, it is a bit 'difficult. And why only them? On the site there are only them, but the pigeons in other places likely to eat the same seed meets certain industries to be stacked in Faenza? They do not die from choking?
© WWF Faenza Yesterday, the Forest Service is back in place to continue the investigation and make further levies on products stored near the areas where the die-off occurred.
A blurt is the WWF of Faenza and its President George Sunset point the finger right on the controls of the City and County, in its very poor. According to Sunset, in those places, is not the first time you record these die-offs. The collared dove is practically the only species that will go there, and promptly dies.
"Never before this year - says Tramonti - the one that occurred in these days is a memory at least not" normal. " It's about time to clarify these indigestion ... We also call on citizens to immediately counter the WWF headquarters in Faenza any infringement on the environment and animals. "
Of course the doves, to see photos of the Forest in the previous article GeaPress spread, people flocked to, a sign of the wide availability of food and the possible nuisance caused by their droppings. To be sure, but if you work in those factories seeds or parts thereof for human consumption, should be prevented from contact with animals. Who knows. Meanwhile, the doves die.
All locations marked on Google Maps:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=201817256339889828327.0004991bca25af104a22b
100s of dead birds found in Nashville area
Jan 6,2011
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/113040389.html
This time they mention grackles. Funny how its always a species specific group of fish, birds that seem to be targeted. I regularly see about 8 different species at my feeders. So why do all the grackles or all the doves fall out of a particular sky instead of all different types of birds at once?
Also says they were seen swirling and flying into bridges, etc. I have also noticed strange swirling behavior of large flocks about a month ago. Swirling would indicate their sense of direction is impaired...?
It's a sign from God, that His people are choking the holy spirit....
:sigh: I've read a little about the animal deaths......I'm wondering if it has anything to do with HARRP myself.......
HAARP is working on the atmosphere so I would say fish and crabs are safe for direct rays.
HAARP isn't selective. It doesn't have a dove button. The doves were killed at night. Meaning it was dark. Most are already sleeping when twilight sets in. That would mean a local HAARP base transmitting at 'tree level'.
Some blame corexit (the stuff used at the oil spil). I don't don't believe that because that junk simply kills everything. Not just one type of fish. Then the poison crosses the ocean and kills only in a small part of England. Only one type of crab.
The other story is that the magnetic poles of earth are about to shift and right now have a glitsh onece in a while and that disorients birds. Again I don't buy that story. Such a magnetic field glistch would be world wide. Not just at a few sq/m village in Italy or similar.
And not just one type of bird.
Weird.
:cloud9: The magnetic shift thing is an interesting idea.......
:cloud9: Article about shift affecting Tampa airport.....
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/05/051903/shift-of-earths-magnetic-north-pole-impacts-tampa-/
It's official... :winkgrin: The Italian birds died of gluttony.
Nearby the town was a field/factory with sunflower seeds. The birds ate until they died.
Then they decided to fly a bit an all crashed in that town instead of the sunflower field....
:icon_flower: <--- sunflower
The EU commies commision; you know the ones that require billions to fix a finacial crisis do nothing worthwhile are now into the fine art of making calenders.
Calendars with schools holidays. Concidering their efficiency a calendar likely costs $500 a piece.
But for $500 you really get something. You can find all festival days of your own religion on that calendar.
Unless you are Christian. Christians have to buy none EU funded calendars for looking up their holidays.
:Oops:
That's awful, ww--about the calendars.
BTW, the birds were feeding by the highway and got hit by a truck [all 300 of them.] It was a hit and run, I guess, because no one ever located the truck. OH, the humanity.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/01/11/new-dead-bird-mystery-investigated-in-geyserville/
The end beging in the house of Yogi Bear :winkgrin:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/01/110119-yellowstone-park-supervolcano-eruption-magma-science/
dooms day and the end of the world happened when JC rose from the dead, Satin bound, and the new order of New Life IN Christ began, Septeration from God because of Law/Transgression i.e. Death ended.... All Things are new.... All things has the Father given over to The Christ God's Anointed.
When the world disarms all its nuclear weapons and bans all guns and turns them into ploughs, I might believe you '!tongue'.
But I think you mean christ death, seals the victory regardless of what happens. Even if scientists accidently blow up the universe, ######christ has victory over death.
http://www.stansberryresearch.com/pro/1011PSIENDVD/PPSIM128/PR
Porter Stansberry predicts the US dollar will fail within the next 2 years.
The gist of the video is the US economy is a mess. Even if every citizen was taxed 100% that still wouldn't be enough to get the budget in balance. And the only reason US has survived so far is they've printed craploads of cash to pay their debtors. However, you can only rely on that trick for a limited period of time. Sooner or later the bubble is going to burst.
I've heard quite a bit about the economy crashing, and I must admit, I get concerned. However, in the "part of me that knows", I don't believe it's time to be afraid. I believe it is time to look for a city who's Builder and Maker is God.
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While scanning today, the following from Yahoo caught my attention;
To feed all those mouths, "we will need to produce as much food in the next 40 years as we have in the last 8,000," said Jason Clay of the World Wildlife Fund at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
"By 2050 we will not have a planet left that is recognizable" if current trends continue, Clay said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110220/ts_afp/scienceuspopulationfood
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In the midst of it all;
Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his lifeb? 26Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
"Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.
"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Luke 12
A brother was making a point about the imagination's exaggerated view of human presence or influence on the world. He said, If all the people alive stood in one area together, each occupying 3 square yards it would be like this"...and he tapped a ball point pen on the floor-standing world globe. That one ink dot represents the area the entire population of the world would occupy!
About thirty five years ago I quickly read a booklet called, The Coming World Famine Is Planned. It said that if all arable land was farmed, providing maximum yields, as well as the ocean under maximum sustainable cultivation the number of people that could be fed was well over 13 trillion.
A student group that studied the problem of world hunger in the 70's began thinking the problem was over population. The evidence persuaded them the cause is bad politics and bad religion. To my mind it would be much easier to resolve this problem if it was over population. That idea is pushed by people interested in "people" control, which is what "population control" accually is. (Booklet: "10 Facts about World Hunger.")
Yes, that is one reason why I'm suspicious that the UN could be the beast kingdom or something to do with it, because it has agressive population control policies.
Why is 2012 significant to a believer in Jesus Christ? Why does a believer and saint even consider the thought? It is probably just me as usual, but I do find all the summations funny. As for myself I must keep my eyes and thoughts on His Words and find that groveling to the earthy and natural understanding of what His Word teaches is useless. Am I in error? Am I not thinking properly. As far as I know it is 2011 and it is To Day, this is my(our) place in this moment, yesterday and tomorrow are helpless to us. Peace and Love Through Jesus
Yes, I believe we should keep our eyes on Jesus. I find myself being pretty interested in current events, while at the same time realizing we're looking for that kingdom...
I've wondered (as you allude to) if I should pay ANY attention whatsoever to what's going on around us, and I think like, "well, it's prudent to be prepared" (The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it. Pr. 22:3). But I believe being prepared by far mostly means looking to Him, hiding in the Cleft of the Rock. I'll still admit though, I have at least a passing interest in "events" - maybe I shouldn't. I've wondered.
Within the maelstrom, there is safety beneath His wings.
Amen. That's where the only real safety is.
..."all I have needed Thy hand hath provided
great is Thy faithfullness, Lord unto me."
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0k1WhFtVp0o&sa=U&ei=xXpkTaKFJsX6lwf_-q21Bg&ved=0CBoQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNG-0i3cl2mKmLUKkD3RnIK4v9P6zA
I dont know who holds tomorrow ( as an old hymn reads) so why should the Mind of Christ ponder or dwell on that day,(and He does not) when we are in To Day, we, as believers have no business partaking in the worries and stresses of what is going on in this world, when we are above and apart from it, even when we dont see or realize we are. Peace and Love Through Jesus
Yes, Jabcat my curiousity is there, but as in other things(in which I am weak) I find myself seeking and desiring what the Lord has said is the easy yoke and a light burden, I seek, want, and desire that light burden and easy yoke...so 2012 means nothing to me, but the muttering of whose who do not know Him and His Love and His Grace.
Rev 1:8 I am the Alpha and the Omega,is saying the Lord God, Who is and Who was and Who is coming, the Almighty."
This is something I've been struggling with also, should we be prepared. On the one hand I get it that we should focus our eyes on Jesus, and He will provide for us, but on the other hand we still have to live in this world. Honestly I'd like to do nothing more than live in His world, but bills have to get paid, and as far as the worrys go didn't God give us a mind to be able to plan? are we to do nothing more than wait for ________. For instance, the economy is very likely going to collapse, while I know God will provide, is it wrong to prepare for xyz? It seems foolish to be uprepared, like having a couple months supply of food and water (which we do,).
My stance right now is to continue to pay attention to current events, but if it starts to become a point of worry or obsession for a lack of a better word then that back to God, focus on His truth and light. Personally I feel like the world is in labor, and I'd like for that baby to be born, because however Gods kingdom will be ushered in (I've grown up a pre-trib rapture, although I stopped believing in a rapture a while ago, I am now fully open to all eschatological views) I don't feel it will happen in this current world order. God chose to send Jesus during a "one world government" the first time, and thats how the church spread like wildfire, I think it will be something similar (not necessarily a roman empire part 2). Persecution seems to be the catalyst for that fire, I say bring it on.
I believe God's spirit has led us to these spiritual places where we can let go of our natural bondages that men have put on us, with good intentions, but they are bondages nonetheless. But the REASON for us to come to these spiritual liberations of understanding the fulness of what really happened at the cross is not so that we can beat our chests and boast that we've finally seen the light, the error of our ways. But instead, I believe that the fruitfulness of our carnality has been dried up IN PREPARATION for the ushering in of the KINGS OF THE EAST message of liberation to others.
People are going to become so affixed to the natural disasters, to the collapsing of current government structures and every bad thing happening in our realm today. The ungodly are going to become paranoid, the religious are going to enforce their doctrines with "I told you so" mentality. The more we look around us, the less we see the power inside of us. I believe God has brought "us" those of you reading these threads and seeing liberating truths, I believe God has brought us to this place so that we can now reach into the spirit realm and unlock the power that brings freedom to those bound to this natural realm. But we can't be a part of the deliverances if we ourselves become locked up in the natural events happening around us.
The things happening in our land and abroad today is merely the earth coming into her time of giving birth to something we've never experienced in this realm since Christ was in the flesh. The birthpangs are going to get greater and greater, but we're not here to focus on the seemingly destruction of mankind because that's not what's happening.
Fear is merely dark faith. It's the minds of men seeing things as though they are, but just like what happened with the tree of knowledge with Adam and Eve, the things Adam became aware of were not things of God's nature. They were things their minds projected.
They were just as naked before the fruit as they were after it. But it was the awareness of what their mind was projecting that changed the emphasis of their nakedness. It's the same pattern here. All people are applying faith . . .but fear is the evidence of dark faith in the sense that their minds are projecting something terrible is going to happen to them even though it's not happening. "We" have been, are being, will continue to be set free from the projections of our carnal thinking minds so that we can truly become ambassadors for Christ.
But it's not up to us to "convince" the world of anything. But it "is" up to us to "proclaim" to the world the effects of what true light can do to this realm of darkness. Observe what's going on out there, but observe it with the purpose of proclaiming freedom to those held in fear and bondage. Observe it with the purpose of bringing truth and light to where there is now lies and darkness. I believe UR is a part of that light. I believe it's just the beginning of even greater truths that lie beyond the reach of where we are even now.
We who have embraced "UR" have been given both a great blessing and a great challenge. We've been blessed to see that even though our final destination has already been dealt with, Christ is just as important to us now than ever in that it's only through Him and Him alone that we can live in this world of death and experience truth and life which brings freedom from all of the twisted attempts our carnality does to destroy our identity in Christ. He is our DNA. But so many people out there can't see this. All they can see is "knowledge" of death and nakedness which instills fear to which they resort to hiding from the very truth that is the only solution to their bondages.
We are the ram's horn God has chosen to use for his long blast to let the world know that the Omega has come to our now to reveal to us the Alpha has begun.
Quote from: Nathan on February 25, 2011, 12:59:19 AM
I believe God's spirit has led us to these spiritual places where we can let go of our natural bondages that men have put on us, with good intentions, but they are bondages nonetheless. But the REASON for us to come to these spiritual liberations of understanding the fulness of what really happened at the cross is not so that we can beat our chests and boast that we've finally seen the light, the error of our ways. But instead, I believe that the fruitfulness of our carnality has been dried up IN PREPARATION for the ushering in of the KINGS OF THE EAST message of liberation to others.
People are going to become so affixed to the natural disasters, to the collapsing of current government structures and every bad thing happening in our realm today. The ungodly are going to become paranoid, the religious are going to enforce their doctrines with "I told you so" mentality. The more we look around us, the less we see the power inside of us. I believe God has brought "us" those of you reading these threads and seeing liberating truths, I believe God has brought us to this place so that we can now reach into the spirit realm and unlock the power that brings freedom to those bound to this natural realm. But we can't be a part of the deliverances if we ourselves become locked up in the natural events happening around us.
The things happening in our land and abroad today is merely the earth coming into her time of giving birth to something we've never experienced in this realm since Christ was in the flesh. The birthpangs are going to get greater and greater, but we're not here to focus on the seemingly destruction of mankind because that's not what's happening.
Fear is merely dark faith. It's the minds of men seeing things as though they are, but just like what happened with the tree of knowledge with Adam and Eve, the things Adam became aware of were not things of God's nature. They were things their minds projected.
They were just as naked before the fruit as they were after it. But it was the awareness of what their mind was projecting that changed the emphasis of their nakedness. It's the same pattern here. All people are applying faith . . .but fear is the evidence of dark faith in the sense that their minds are projecting something terrible is going to happen to them even though it's not happening. "We" have been, are being, will continue to be set free from the projections of our carnal thinking minds so that we can truly become ambassadors for Christ.
But it's not up to us to "convince" the world of anything. But it "is" up to us to "proclaim" to the world the effects of what true light can do to this realm of darkness. Observe what's going on out there, but observe it with the purpose of proclaiming freedom to those held in fear and bondage. Observe it with the purpose of bringing truth and light to where there is now lies and darkness. I believe UR is a part of that light. I believe it's just the beginning of even greater truths that lie beyond the reach of where we are even now.
We who have embraced "UR" have been given both a great blessing and a great challenge. We've been blessed to see that even though our final destination has already been dealt with, Christ is just as important to us now than ever in that it's only through Him and Him alone that we can live in this world of death and experience truth and life which brings freedom from all of the twisted attempts our carnality does to destroy our identity in Christ. He is our DNA. But so many people out there can't see this. All they can see is "knowledge" of death and nakedness which instills fear to which they resort to hiding from the very truth that is the only solution to their bondages.
We are the ram's horn God has chosen to use for his long blast to let the world know that the Omega has come to our now to reveal to us the Alpha has begun.
Powerful and ripe with truth.
2 Tim 1:7 NLT
For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline.
I have lived much of my life in this bondage of fear. The fear of hell, the fear of "not getting it right", not being good enough, external cirumstances, invented tragedies, invented paranoia.
It's all distraction. We have not been given a spirit of fear or timidity. We have been given a spirit of power, love and self-discipline. I am starting to understand this verse in fullness. The liberty we are given through Christ's free gift on the cross gives true freedom to those who can see. But, first the blinders of man made doctrine need lifted and we need to be receptive of what the Holy Spirit is trying to reveal to us. We ARE accepted, we ARE considered righteous by Christ's sacrifice, we are powerful within the Kingdom! We can experience this now. If God is for us, who can be against us? When we look to him, instead of compulsively looking inward we are then free to experience a fuller relationship. Where there is no fear there is faith in fullness.
Oh how I ache for God to bring this into full harvest into my life. I have had just a taste of such freedom and God is truly good.
BP oil spill cleaners dying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX56A4lPTjI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/
GULF OIL DISASTER BREAKING NEWS SAMPLE
****Cleanup worker: One person after another... I'm having kidney failure, my pancreas is rotted out, my liver won't stop hurting (VIDEO)
***Cleanup worker Clayton Matherne's symptoms: Lost half of eyesight, coughing up blood all the time, temporary paralysis... more (VIDEO)
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/
The bad part about it all is the ocean took care of the oil spill (like it always does) quite rapidly. All those toxins poured into the ocean to fix a problem that was already being fixed, as if oil has never leaked out of the ocean floor before. There was no trace of oil within weeks of the leak being stopped.
If you are in the lawn care business, or you deal with pesticides a lot the same kind stuff is happening to you. Everything that touches your skin you may have well just drank.
Transoceon CEO Steve Norman recieved a 374.062 dollar bonus for:
"achieving the best year in safety performance in our company history"
Quote from: redhotmagma on April 26, 2011, 11:24:28 PM
The bad part about it all is the ocean took care of the oil spill (like it always does) quite rapidly. All those toxins poured into the ocean to fix a problem that was already being fixed, as if oil has never leaked out of the ocean floor before. There was no trace of oil within weeks of the leak being stopped.
I know nature breaks down oil. But that fast I doubt.
I think the oil is just transported to the ocean. Corexeit hides the problem.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jul/23/bp-oil-spill-scientists-silence
Okay maybe it wasn't all gone, but http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2010/0727/Gulf-oil-spill-Where-has-the-oil-gone
Here you go ww. I tried to post on the falling away thread but it's closed.
This guy says the rapture is May 21, 2011
End of the world is Oct 21, 2011
His counting is a little bit different then I have seen before. He counts 7000 years from the flood. He uses the flood as his baseline but places the flood at an earlier time than I've ever seen it,4990 bc. The rapture is 7000 years from the day that God shut the ark.
He says the church age ended in 1988. He says at that time Satan entered into the churches to rule. We have been in the great tribulation period since that time.
http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/index.html
Honestly I don't think the tribulation is that close at all. The evil of today is nothing compared to the prophecied events. The conditions are supposed to be similar to the days of Noah, also Romans prophecies people going slighlty "mad" and lusting after each other and worshipping false gods.
I think it's important to know the times, and hear what the spirit is saying. I beleive that we are closer to a revival of Gods kingdom upon the earth, than tribulation.
:2c:
He says the tribulation is almost over.
Meeting Christ in the clouds could count as a revival. :happygrin:
I've seen that sort of counting before. http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/arguments_against_universal_salvation/creation_sciencefaith_and_part_genesis_merged_8616.msg118772.html#msg118772
I didn't compare the exact numbers but both views are around 13000 years since Adam.
IIRC he started counting at the flood because it's the time of the convenant.
I don't agree with the date he calculated for Jesus. (that would mean every date shifts a few years)
Quote from: thinktank on May 06, 2011, 10:34:05 PM
Honestly I don't think the tribulation is that close at all. The evil of today is nothing compared to the prophecied events. The conditions are supposed to be similar to the days of Noah, also Romans prophecies people going slighlty "mad" and lusting after each other and worshipping false gods.
I think it's important to know the times, and hear what the spirit is saying. I beleive that we are closer to a revival of Gods kingdom upon the earth, than tribulation.
:2c:
TT I see religion declining and I don't expect people will start woshipping any religion. Maybe the new god is called science....
I don't hope so but I would be suprised if WW3 start today in Israel.
Quote from: Molly on May 06, 2011, 10:42:34 PM
He says the tribulation is almost over.
Meeting Christ in the clouds could count as a revival. :happygrin:
Just make sure you have some chocolate near you on that day, or your favourite cd!
I guess that day Molly won't be indoors listening to a CD.
She'll :bgdance: in the streets.
Quote from: thinktank on May 06, 2011, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: Molly on May 06, 2011, 10:42:34 PM
He says the tribulation is almost over.
Meeting Christ in the clouds could count as a revival. :happygrin:
Just make sure you have some chocolate near you on that day, or your favourite cd!
I always have chocolate near. :laughing7:
I just think that at some point God is going to shut the door to the ark so it's never too early to accept
Jesus as Lord and Savior.
If this date passes, I have more coming up soon.
Matthew 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 06, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: thinktank on May 06, 2011, 10:34:05 PM
Honestly I don't think the tribulation is that close at all. The evil of today is nothing compared to the prophecied events. The conditions are supposed to be similar to the days of Noah, also Romans prophecies people going slighlty "mad" and lusting after each other and worshipping false gods.
I think it's important to know the times, and hear what the spirit is saying. I beleive that we are closer to a revival of Gods kingdom upon the earth, than tribulation.
:2c:
TT I see religion declining and I don't expect people will start woshipping any religion. Maybe the new god is called science....
I don't hope so but I would be suprised if WW3 start today in Israel.
It does seem to be the case, at least in the west. But consider the following
1. Islam is dominating countries, rapidly becoming the fastest growing religion in the world, this is just one religion that recognizes One God, and recognizes Moses and Abraham
2. Science is devloping rapidly. The new sciences are recognizing some kind of force at work, quantum physics. This also includes the emrging creationist and ID scientists. Scienticst do change after a while, and sooner or later, science will accept quantum physics and energetic patterns and not merely look at the physical.
3. The bible shows that during the tribulation, society at whole will recognize the existence of almighty God and curse his name on a regular basis(Sorry wings, your religion will one day become extinct) But also it seems to be as you recognize that an athesist is on a slider of 0 -to 100% belief in God. An aethist often says God does not exist, but yet utters Jesus name when stressed or scared. A lot of athesits have a lot of knoledge about the bible often more than believers and publish contradictions etc, they are often backsliders who have given up the faith, a prime example is Darwin, who is the father of aethism in some ways.
Quote from: Molly on May 06, 2011, 10:23:11 PMHe says the church age ended in 1988. He says at that time Satan entered into the churches to rule.
I have some problems with that statement.
The church of, say, 1488 looks far more influenced by Satan than the 1988 church.
In 1988 the church was small and powerless.
In 1488 it was huge, powerful and sadistic (torture in the name of Christ)
Ok I'm aware the aim is a huge church. But I assume that's about both quantity and quality.
And for me a 1488 church doesn't qualify as quality.
/EDIT Why 1988? How was that date calculated?
Quote from: thinktank on May 06, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 06, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: thinktank on May 06, 2011, 10:34:05 PM
Honestly I don't think the tribulation is that close at all. The evil of today is nothing compared to the prophecied events. The conditions are supposed to be similar to the days of Noah, also Romans prophecies people going slighlty "mad" and lusting after each other and worshipping false gods.
I think it's important to know the times, and hear what the spirit is saying. I beleive that we are closer to a revival of Gods kingdom upon the earth, than tribulation.
:2c:
TT I see religion declining and I don't expect people will start woshipping any religion. Maybe the new god is called science....
I don't hope so but I would be suprised if WW3 start today in Israel.
It does seem to be the case, at least in the west. But consider the following
1. Islam is dominating countries, rapidly becoming the fastest growing religion in the world,
Reports on that don't all agree. But you could be right.
Quotethis is just one religion that recognizes One God, and recognizes Moses and Abraham
And Jesus.
Quote2. Science is devloping rapidly. The new sciences are recognizing some kind of force at work, quantum physics. This also includes the emrging creationist and ID scientists. Scienticst do change after a while, and sooner or later, science will accept quantum physics and energetic patterns and not merely look at the physical.
Science always has major problems. But without problems no science :) The things is that they always believed that they will find answers to their problems. But they never considered God can be the answer. So personally I don't hape much hope science will recognize God.
Quote3. The bible shows that during the tribulation, society at whole will recognize the existence of almighty God and curse his name on a regular basis(Sorry wings, your religion will one day become extinct) But also it seems to be as you recognize that an athesist is on a slider of 0 -to 100% belief in God. An aethist often says God does not exist, but yet utters Jesus name when stressed or scared. A lot of athesits have a lot of knoledge about the bible often more than believers and publish contradictions etc, they are often backsliders who have given up the faith, a prime example is Darwin, who is the father of aethism in some ways.
I agree with your 0-100% scale. I think very few, if any, are 0% or 100%
Quote from: wwThe church of, say, 1488 looks far more influenced by Satan than the 1988 church.
The church of 1488 hasn't changed, it's just gone underground a bit as to its influence. I do think the Reformation gave man a chance, but that's over with now, too. They all sold out. As to 1988, I have no idea--I'd like to see something else that supports that date. Interestingly enough, that was around the time the politico's decided to co-opt the church to create the moral majority.
QuoteBthey never considered God can be the answer. So personally I don't hape much hope science will recognize God.
The scientists know they are in trouble. They will never pry those cold,dead hands off the hidden science until the sons of God do it. So, yes, they will recognize they need God and probably many already do.
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 06, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
I've seen that sort of counting before. http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/arguments_against_universal_salvation/creation_sciencefaith_and_part_genesis_merged_8616.msg118772.html#msg118772
I didn't compare the exact numbers but both views are around 13000 years since Adam.
13000 would fit this pattern
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
1 2 3 4
1 2 3 4
1 2 3 4
1-4 each cycle ends and the next begins, each successive "1" also is a jump up the spiritual ladder ending with Jesus being revealed IN Paul
Adam-Cain-Able-Seth/Noah
Noah-Ham-Japheth-Shem/Abraham
Abraham-Isaac-Jacob-Israel(sons)/Jesus
Jesus-Peter-James-John-Paul
4 cycles of 4 4=creation, 4 creations of 4 is quite poetic
Quote from: Molly on May 06, 2011, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: wwThe church of, say, 1488 looks far more influenced by Satan than the 1988 church.
The church of 1488 hasn't changed, it's just gone underground a bit as to its influence.
Let's assume that's true.
But I haven't seen the pope starting crusades lately. Witches can sleep safely. Even the skinny ones.
I think that's a big improvement
Hi Red,
The 7 weeks starting at Noach are called a spiritual week or similar (once)
I've read about the 13000 view a total of 3 times.
Once in Molly's article. Once in the link I posted in this thread and once in an article by mr. Green.
I'm suprised Molly even made her post because she was much opposed to the work of mr. Green.
13000 years simply means that genealogie is full of holes. Or more exact; calculated much differently than most people think.
About your 4-4-4 pattern. I've also read something about a number of Jubiliees. 2000 years is 40 Jubilees.
Among other things missed by those who calculate what Jesus says we are not to know is the 33 1/2 years gap of His own lifespan.
2000 years 2000 years counted from what? That's the weak point in both 13000 year site. On Mollies site I see nothing at all about how the dates are calculated.
The Bible has an internal timeline. I think it may turn out to be day accuracy. But to transform the Biblical dates to our western dates we need to find events that are mentioned in the Bible and archeology has found proof for and was able to date the event. If archeology is of 10 years then every doomsday calculation is wrong too.
The site I mentioned is a good exampel of that. The figuring out of the Bible's internal clock seems very plausible. But aligning it to our calendar seems just an afterthought. Somehow he got the idea that when Jesus was in the Temple at teh age of 12 it was a major pivotal date. So calculating back brings His birth at 1 AD.
Very problematic because Herod died after Jesus was born. That means Herod must have died 2AD or later. This thread is not about dating so I will just say that date conflicts with lots of secular (and Biblical) evidence. So if that anchor point is wrong by X years all other calculations are wrong by the same number of years.
The same for Mollie's site. 7BC for His birth. Very likely that person thinks Herod died 4-5BC. That was the official date for a long time. But no longer.
Personally I think 7BC is dated 4 year to early. Obviously that shifts (most) other dates into the future by 4 years. So Molly your 1988 becomes 1992. And 2011 becomes 2015. Very close to the 2016 I got with other calculations (Daniel)
FYI 2016 is exactly in the middle of a Jubilee cycle.
Jesus was cut of halfway a week. Imo that's halfway a Sabbath cycle = a week of years.
So Jesus was cut halfway a Sabbath cycle, Mankind a Jubilee cycle.
/EDIT I just found a bit that supports 1988.
The mentioned Jubilee cycle ends 2037-2038 AD And starts..... yep 1988
1988 is also the 70th Jubilee from Adam on a 6000 year old creation...
But we can't just mix those calculations because the 6000 year old calculation ends on 2027.
I haven't looked at the numbers for dates myself (I'll leave that to more mathematically inclined brethren, and sisteren!)
but
Levi was the 13th tribe, fully separated from the others (no land, separate encampment) OC
Jesus would make the 13th person in His band of merry men, I would say He's a bit separate from the other 12 NC
Paul was the 13th apostle, fully separated from the others as he hadn't experienced Christ "in the flesh" Mystery
To me 13 is really 1+12 or 1 surrounded by 12 as in the camp of Israel 12 surrounding 1 Levites
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 07, 2011, 08:05:32 AM
Hi Red,
The 7 weeks starting at Noach are called a spiritual week or similar (once)
I've read about the 13000 view a total of 3 times.
Once in Molly's article. Once in the link I posted in this thread and once in an article by mr. Green.
I'm suprised Molly even made her post because she was much opposed to the work of mr. Green.
13000 years simply means that genealogie is full of holes. Or more exact; calculated much differently than most people think.
About your 4-4-4 pattern. I've also read something about a number of Jubiliees. 2000 years is 40 Jubilees.
I just cycled the 1234 out to 40----------13 times
it also cycles to 49 and 70
whether 7000 years or 13000 years the pattern falls on both
At the end, only 12 tribes. Dan is left out. Joseph gets a double portion through Menassah.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
--Rev 7
Quote from: wwI don't hope so but I would be suprised if WW3 start today in Israel.
ww3 started a long time ago. My guess--the first gulf war, 1990. Clinton continued it covertly with his embargoes. gw Jr continued it in a more open fashion. The current leader continues it and escalates it.
This is historical but is this Biblical? Is this what he refers to as the [23year] tribulation? He says it started in 1988.
I'm not into dates and times as much as you lot, but I am more interested in the data that is provided alongside the end times. So for example, this fella beleives we are in the tribulation, so I have questions such as, what about the data that goes alongside the tribulation?.
e.g the man of sin, fourhorsemen, the 7 years of tribulation 1988 +7 = 1995 but says Gods wrath starts in 2011. But the bible says in revelation and also Jesus says that the day of his wrath the moon turns red and the sky doesn't shine, which seems to be after the tribulation persecuting period.
I have checked his site out but he doesn't seem to answer these questions, at least as of yet.
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 06, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
I guess that day Molly won't be indoors listening to a CD.
She'll :bgdance: in the streets.
Perhaps you are right in a sense.
This was prochecied by Kim clement
If you think God is not interested in reaching the whole world, you're wrong. If you think this is the end and God's just going to leave it like this, no! There is a revival and a move of God that is going to cover the earth. And the youth of the Middle East and even Israel, and the United States of America and many other western nations will have this sound that will come, that will reach into the hearts of many.
A mass evangelism is going to take place. Churches on streets in the nation; house churches, if you wish, on the streets of America.
Dancing in the streets – all kinds of sounds. What I've seen is massive. If you would just see what I see today; it is so powerful.
Quote from: thinktank on May 07, 2011, 09:29:33 PM
I'm not into dates and times as much as you lot, but I am more interested in the data that is provided alongside the end times. So for example, this fella beleives we are in the tribulation, so I have questions such as, what about the data that goes alongside the tribulation?.
e.g the man of sin, fourhorsemen, the 7 years of tribulation 1988 +7 = 1995 but says Gods wrath starts in 2011. But the bible says in revelation and also Jesus says that the day of his wrath the moon turns red and the sky doesn't shine, which seems to be after the tribulation persecuting period.
I have checked his site out but he doesn't seem to answer these questions, at least as of yet.
I can't find it either.
I see statements like:
- As said before....
- As the Bible clearly shows ...
But those things aren't explained anywhere. Then for me it quickly become dustbin material :happygrin:
Click the grey tabs: http://www.itsaboutthattime.net/jubilee_code.htm
Quote from: reFORMer on May 07, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
Among other things missed by those who calculate what Jesus says we are not to know is the 33 1/2 years gap of His own lifespan.
:thumbsup:
I think that got that you excited, since it's 2015, one of your predictions?
I have only glanced the site but it just seems to be another, jump on the badwagon attempt of figuring out dates.
I mean his calculation based on the end times is based on a comet?
Seriously a lot of these christain ministers are desperate to figure out the end times, who study the movment of stars to predict the time of his coming?
I don't mind if he uses some info to back up some strong evidence, but yet he post this comet info on his main page and title. Perhaps he made a mistake by doing that, but I will some more of his articles, to see if he has anything interesting.
:2c:
I used to have something from, maybe Shepherdsville (Arkansas or Missouri? but not the Arnold Murray folk) espousing their version of Biblical Astrology. Jesus' parable of The Ten Virgins was explained as ten degrees into the constellation Virgo; but. since five were foolish, they are subtracted. So His coming is only 5 degrees into Virgo, which they calculated as 1987 or 1988, I don't remember which. Even though this particular example obviously contradicts Jesus, I thought, "If only I could be the master of such arcane knowledge...! But, alas! their material was rather expensive to me at the time. As well, someone (I almost certainly know who) stole my one example of this ministry's oeuvre and I don't know how to contact them for now. It seems I am temporarily rather less intellectually flamboyant than I'd like to be. I do like to understand even wrong things. We have to reel in some of our inclination to search out evil if we would please Jesus, however.
As for the man of sin, the preterist view offers John of, was it, "Gisela?" He does fit the prophecy rather well. Anyway, his exploits are reported by Josephus.
Quote from: thinktank on May 11, 2011, 02:02:20 AM
I think that got that you excited, since it's 2015, one of your predictions?
It isn't one of my "predictions"
QuoteI have only glanced the site but it just seems to be another, jump on the badwagon attempt of figuring out dates.
I mean his calculation based on the end times is based on a comet?
That comet is just guesswork.
What I did find interesting is that those dates are on Sabbath?Jubilee years.
QuoteI don't mind if he uses some info to back up some strong evidence,
As for the dates of those events; you can, for example, find many sources with the date of the first test of the atomic bomb or that comet. Those things are facts. But I don't know they are relevant. More things happen on Jubilee years.
Quote from: reFORMer on May 07, 2011, 08:35:19 AM
Among other things missed by those who calculate what Jesus says we are not to know is the 33 1/2 years gap of His own lifespan.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
"You see," they say after quoting this verse, "the Bible tells us that no man can know." They might even add, "Not even Jesus Himself knows the time
.....
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
According to this verse, God shut up the words and sealed the Book (the Bible) until the time of the end. Because the Bible's information was sealed up, no man could know the timing of the end of the world. But the strong implication of Daniel 12:4 is that the seals would be taken off once the time period of the end is reached.
.........
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
........
Matthew 24:38-39 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Noach and his family knew.
Quote from: Molly on May 06, 2011, 10:23:11 PM
He says the church age ended in 1988.
I found something sets that date at 1986. (depends on how you date Jesus' life)
I moved some messages to THIS new thread. (http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/members_lounge/the_secrets_time_9637.0.html)
:cloud9: WOW......that was good.......and God. In the fall of '93, on my way back from a meeting in Niagara Falls, the Lord spoke to me at midnight, saying, "The priesthood is changing." I knew it signalled an end of something and the beginning of something new, a sort of "changing of the guard". Things have escalated in the Spirit every since, though our natural eyes might not perceive it, as He completes His plan of the ages. Blessings.....
ww,
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of the information you provide. I think the information on the Jubilees are very interesting.
CHB
:cloud9: I second that :thumbsup:
Quote from: Cardinal on May 12, 2011, 01:08:43 AM
:cloud9: WOW......that was good.......and God. In the fall of '93, on my way back from a meeting in Niagara Falls,
That's bad because I (still) believe all the mentioned dates should be 2 years later :winkgrin:
So in the fall coming from the fall God spoke to you about the fall :dsunny:
Quotethe Lord spoke to me at midnight, saying, "The priesthood is changing." I knew it signalled an end of something and the beginning of something new, a sort of "changing of the guard". Things have escalated in the Spirit every since, though our natural eyes might not perceive it, as He completes His plan of the ages. Blessings.....
Maybe God didn't say it would change 'now' (1993) but a change is near? See below.
God waited seven years after the 80th Jubilee before impregnating His wife the second
time. The 80th Jubilee was in 26 A.D., but God waited until Pentecost of 33 A.D. to overshadow
His wife. This seven-year tarrying period at the beginning of the next 40 Jubilees plays out in a
seven-year difference between 1986 and 1993 as well. It partly explains why the Holy Spirit was
not poured out in 1986. Even though 1986 was the 120th Jubilee, the Pentecostal Age did not end
until 1993 A.D. Thus, the Spirit could not have come prior to 1993.
As we will soon show, the time to declare the great Jubilee occurred on September 23,
1996. However, the Feast of Tabernacles remained unfulfilled that year, because there were
other
prophetic time cycles that had not yet run their course. For instance, Hosea 6:2 indicates that the
resurrection would occur "after two days," that is, after 2,000 years. In other words, this event
could not take place prior to September of 1999 A.D., which was 2,000 years after Jesus' birth.
(For proof, see Chapter Nine.) Other time cycles do not conclude until the year 2006 A.D. There
are, no doubt, many other cycles that remain hidden at the present time. So the question remains
as to how long we must tarry for the Holy Spirit to be sent forth in its fullness.
The point to remember in this section is that the earth waited 80 Jubilees for the Spirit of
God to overshadow the 120 disciples in the upper room in Jerusalem, because it took 80 days to
purify the woman after the birth of the soulish and fleshly. Then the fleshly "son" was born in 33
A.D., followed by 40 Jubilees of cleansing. We have now waited those 40 Jubilees. I believe that
the explanation for all of this is found in the purification rites of the law found in Leviticus 12. The
total period of time is 120 Jubilees, plus the current tarrying period..
Now it is time for the birth of the Manchild—the Son who is truly in the full likeness and
image of Christ. I leave it to you to pray about this and determine your own course of action in
preparing your heart to receive His fullness. This is the blessing that Paul prayed would be given
to us. We close with his prayer in Ephesians 3:14-19,
Quote from: CHB on May 12, 2011, 01:09:26 AM
ww,
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all of the information you provide. I think the information on the Jubilees are very interesting.
CHB
It's a never ending story. I stated today with a "Adam was created 13000 years ago".
Then I bumped into 300 very interesting pages. (quoted a few snippets above)
For the Tentmaker me the patterns found in a 6000* year old creation make a lot of sense.
For the very strong secular me it's very problematic.
* = 120*49=5880 or 120*50=6000
I moved some messages to THIS new thread. (http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/members_lounge/the_secrets_time_9637.0.html)
Ten more days to May 21! :happygrin:
http://www.ajc.com/lifestyle/billboard-campaign-claims-jesus-771570.html?bigName=Dave+Weaver&bigPhotog=Dave+Weaver&bigCap=A+Christian+group+is+proclaiming+Jesus%27+impending+return+in+billboards+going+up%2c+Friday+Dec.+3%2c+2010+in+Omaha%2c+Neb.+and+other+U.S.+cities+for+the+holiday+season.&bigDeclCap=&bigCred=AP&bigUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ajc.com%2fmultimedia%2fdynamic%2f00777%2fBillboard_Gospel_JP_777152c.jpg&superSizeImage=y
:cloud9: @ WW......could be. Rarely when He speaks something does it ever happen fully right then......but we are definitely in the generation that is being changed, and so the priesthood IS changing.
Quote from: Molly on May 12, 2011, 02:26:35 AM
Ten more days to May 21! :happygrin:
http://www.ajc.com/lifestyle/billboard-campaign-claims-jesus-771570.html?bigName=Dave+Weaver&bigPhotog=Dave+Weaver&bigCap=A+Christian+group+is+proclaiming+Jesus%27+impending+return+in+billboards+going+up%2c+Friday+Dec.+3%2c+2010+in+Omaha%2c+Neb.+and+other+U.S.+cities+for+the+holiday+season.&bigDeclCap=&bigCred=AP&bigUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ajc.com%2fmultimedia%2fdynamic%2f00777%2fBillboard_Gospel_JP_777152c.jpg&superSizeImage=y
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/13/robert-fitzpatrick_n_861529.html
:cloud9: Been out of the loop here for some time, but I take it someone has "prophesied" the "end" or His return is 5/21??? :laughing7:
His return. And for most that equals the end, rapture, etc. Dunno what he believes. Those signs are Molly's speciality.
$140k down the drain.
If if Jesus shows up the boards are useless. They are there to warn. I really doubt anyone repents when seeing such a billboard.
Quote from: Cardinal on May 17, 2011, 04:16:50 PM
:cloud9: Been out of the loop here for some time, but I take it someone has "prophesied" the "end" or His return is 5/21??? :laughing7:
21 May of this year, you mean? I've seen that too. It's kind of inconvenient. I've got plans for next week. :laughing7:
If it's shopping... cancel it Miriam. A free dress on the 21st. I hope you like linen :winkgrin:
I never thought of that. :mshock: Thanks for the warning. I'm usually a mixed fibres girl, but I do have a pure cotton dress in my wardrobe. It's short, though... bit worried about my modesty being protected if I'm to be caught up in the air. :laughing7:
:cloud9: Sounds like another Christian snake-oil salesman to me :laughing7:
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
His return. And for most that equals the end, rapture, etc. Dunno what he believes. Those signs are Molly's speciality.
$140k down the drain.
If if Jesus shows up the boards are useless. They are there to warn. I really doubt anyone repents when seeing such a billboard.
If Jesus shows up on may 21st then Moly can be called a specialist, but if not, I'll be more than happy to take the crown :icon_king:
Quote from: thinktank on May 17, 2011, 09:37:54 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on May 17, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
His return. And for most that equals the end, rapture, etc. Dunno what he believes. Those signs are Molly's speciality.
$140k down the drain.
If if Jesus shows up the boards are useless. They are there to warn. I really doubt anyone repents when seeing such a billboard.
If Jesus shows up on may 21st then Moly can be called a specialist, but if not, I'll be more than happy to take the crown :icon_king:
In my book you are crowned long ago TT
:icon_jokercolor: <--- Crowned TT
I suppose the little horn in the middle is me
but I thought you wanted that title :dontknow:
Quote from: Cardinal on May 17, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
:cloud9: Sounds like another Christian snake-oil salesman to me :laughing7:
Serpent-oil is the correct expression...
I gather that in New Zealand the end of the world appears to be delayed. It was a news feature on the radio this morning.
Quote from: Miriam on May 21, 2011, 11:27:22 AM
I gather that in New Zealand the end of the world appears to be delayed. It was a news feature on the radio this morning.
grumble :sigh:
I'm still h
Ive watched this post grow...Okay Im either engufed in what you say or Ive been a complete idiot for spending time looking into this post.
Let it be known that I am in no way accepting the teaching, spending time looking into it , what ever Doomsday. is. Now we are talking about the Mayan calender, correct? -
It began as a discussion of the Mayan prediction, and has grown to include many various thoughts people present about "end times" and how we feel about much of that AND the things we see going on in the world around us - what they may mean, how we feel about them, etc. I understand your fascination with the thread; even if one doesn't buy into much of the doomsday scenarios, there's still a lot going on, and IMO, it makes one wonder "what's up"..
My personal opinion is, we will (perhaps very soon) enter into the next age, when Jesus ushers in the age of His glory covering the whole earth. I personally wonder what may occur as a catalyst to those events, as I both see many things happening (travail, as with child) and I believe each new age has been brought about accompanied by much upheaval and cataclysm.
ET'ers/mainstream folks tend to see that as "rapture" coming, end of the world, etc. I see it as "the next big move of God", a huge next step toward God becoming All in All - I just don't know (and am fascinated with) what might be the process. :2c:
Daniel 12
1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever
The same passage (+1, especially pertinent to the thread) from Young's -
1`And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book.
2`And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches -- to abhorrence age-during.
3And those teaching do shine as the brightness of the expanse, and those justifying the multitude as stars to the age and for ever.
4And thou, O Daniel, hide the things, and seal the book till the time of the end, many do go to and fro, and knowledge is multiplied.'
:cloud9: I just read a little bit online about this 89 year old Camping that started this, it just boggles my mind that anyone would support such a "ministry" to the tune of millions and millions of dollars, much less pack up their families and drive 3000 to his ministry, leaving jobs, homes, ect. behind, to be "first in line" for the "rapture"!
It's a doctrine whose roots are fear and selfishness. How this must sadden the Lord. :sigh: :2c:
Maybe I should have written about this earlier and warned etc but I didn't think anyone took it seriously, but about Harold camping's previous prediction failed to come to pass in 1994. He said there was a mistake in the mathematics.
But I thought I'd mention this scripture which says
Peter 2
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
This suggests that phenomana such as 2012 will come to pass and people will say "where is he"?
After looking at various prophecies and visions by people etc I predict the end will be around 2060-2150 possibly later.
I am not looking at dates as such but the conditions of the end times and the level of technology that mankind will possess.
Since the current conditions are nothing like Noahs time, then I safely conclude that the end times is far from near in terms of our expectations.
At least 3 men have announced themselves as the return of Jesus. So far, I think the Australian Jesus is the cutest. :winkgrin: Here he gives an interesting lecture on the soul.
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/factsheets/article/-/9446474/religious-leader-claims-to-be-jesus-video-pics/
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Long distance calls are very expensive! :sigh:
I just wanna say it's true. Streets are of gold!
I predict the end will come September 15th, 2255. Or October 7th, 2357. Or May 13th, 2525. I'm absolutely positive it's one of those dates. Or April 1st, 2011......oh...wait....scratch that last date! :(
Quote from: Lonely Summer on June 06, 2011, 07:45:06 AM
I predict the end will come September 15th, 2255. Or October 7th, 2357. Or May 13th, 2525. I'm absolutely positive it's one of those dates. Or April 1st, 2011......oh...wait....scratch that last date! :(
:laugh2:
:punish:
Somebody asked me yesterday if the rapture could be found in Revelation. I said I didn't know. But today, I saw this video.
11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
--Rev 11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmtYF0y29xI&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: Molly on June 06, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Somebody asked me yesterday if the rapture could be found in Revelation. I said I didn't know. But today, I saw this video.
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/book_revelation/the_two_witnesses_are_israel_and_church_8371.msg99138.html#msg99138
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 06, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Molly on June 06, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Somebody asked me yesterday if the rapture could be found in Revelation. I said I didn't know. But today, I saw this video.
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/book_revelation/the_two_witnesses_are_israel_and_church_8371.msg99138.html#msg99138
Are you telling me you already figured this out?
It must be end times, because I'm finally getting it. :laughing7:
PS could that 3 1/2 days be 3 1/2 years?
Quote from: Molly on June 06, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 06, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Molly on June 06, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Somebody asked me yesterday if the rapture could be found in Revelation. I said I didn't know. But today, I saw this video.
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/book_revelation/the_two_witnesses_are_israel_and_church_8371.msg99138.html#msg99138
Are you telling me you already figured this out?
Not according to those who replied in that thread :winkgrin:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22185-Attorney-sues-german-chancellor-to-reveal-planned-false-flag-event-on-26th-of-June
A false flag event planned for 26th of June?
:sigh: Evil men will continue to do evil things....
FYI: Von Geest means of the Ghost :winkgrin:
Geest = spirit/mind/line of thought/...
I saw a very interesting text video on line that is really worth seeing when you have an hour to watch the text while he reads out loud, It has nothing to do with religion or church, just great for covering your self if things keep going the way they keep going in America.
fallofamerica63 www. com of course
Good hear, ( read )
well, what year is it? :wink:
any new thoughts about "what happens next"?
I am still seeing "DOOMSDAY MAY 21 2011" advertisements(real high dollar paid for ads) in the subways and on the bus stops in NYC :o)- I am not ready to be asked that question yet :laughing7:
Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
--Rev 11:12
...and the last enemy is death.
that which was doomed to destruction is nothing other that the corruptible image of the man of sin[night/darkness]...temporal realm must end so that the eternal
Glory of the incorruptible may come[eternal day/star rise]
Night for last I went to Father,generally,I sit at His feet[He on throne] However,Father was standing when I arrived. Michael[who is like God] is standing up
when He does God gathers all into the bosom position[embrace] It is a great place of comfort and joy
Do not be afraid,He that brings the tribulation keeps all through it
Hi All,
I don't know how many on here believe in the end time or have any idea of what will transpire leading up to the end time but I was wondering if any thought that God would reveal these things to us like he did to his disciples? Christ told his disciples what to look for concerning the end of the old Covenant and I believe those things happened in their day but what do we look for?
I have been reading all of the predictions for 2012, if they are right we are in for some exciting times.
CHB
Yes, I do and I think we should share them with each other--
except nobody wants to hear it.
IT IS A TIME OF aLL IN aLL....THE RECEIVING OF THOSE REJECTED FORMERLY TO BE BROUGHT IN[THE CHANGING OF GARMETS OF THE CORRUPTIBLE
INTO THE INCORRUPTIBLE IMAGE OF cHRIST.
THE GRAPE HARVEST IS THE DOING AWAY WITH THE MAN OF SIN IMAGE BY THE BREATH OF HIS COMING.....THE SAME WAY THE OLD lAW COVENANT
WAS PUT AWAY THAT SOMETHING BETTER MAY COME
:cloud9: :thumbsup: Had a dream/vision last year of Him hurriedly going thru the compartment of the inner court, changing garments from priests to High Priest, as He went. Time is short; time to press in. My :2c: Blessings...
Quote from: jabcat on January 12, 2012, 05:18:49 AM
well, what year is it? :wink:
any new thoughts about "what happens next"?
I just heard the end has been delayed to 2025. However, we are to witness major events as we're getting closer to the Jubilee Year.
According to this guy (http://www.bible-codes.org/2025-jubilee-what_it_means.htm), at least.
I think I need some coffee to clear my head before launching an attempt at understanding the author's math. :grin:
:cloud9: :coffee: :icon_joker:
Quote from: Molly on January 12, 2012, 04:12:18 PM
Yes, I do and I think we should share them with each other--
except nobody wants to hear it.
I do Molly, that is why I posted.
What do you see in the Bible that points to the end, what do we look for?
CHB
Jesus first in all your actions.
His Mind.
His Will.
His Emotions.
A complete covering of Him over your senses.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ in YOU.
Amen! Beloved
the man-child snatched up to the throne of God..is..the REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST IN YOU
I'm glad you guys are more ready to wake up to the end times.
Although I feel 2012 is to early, there are many events that have yet to take place, so there is still a brighter future to look forward to in the world.
TT, what events are you referring to?
CHB
To Bad I only get to die once.
Otherwise I could die in a hurricane and still worry about a flood.
I could die of a nuclear bomb and still worry about starving.
I could be killed by Chinese solders and still worry about getting poisoned by some mutant strain of this and that.
:dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow: :dontknow:
Armies attacking Israel.
a 4th Iron kingdom of some sorts that has 13 king alliance, which after being weakened and degraded into part clay is then taken over by the little horn and kills/uproots 3 of the kings.
I have a suspicion, I think I know who this 4th Iron beast will be in its initial stages, if true, this beast will be a strange beast indeed for the saints to comprehend.
Quote from: martincisneros on February 01, 2009, 03:45:48 AM
So, let's summarize all that could happen on December 21st, 2012, or the 23rd of 2012 depending on who you believe since some scholars interpret the writing on the ancient walls differently:
1. Sun could be turned to darkness and the moon to blood;
2. Everybody could get hemmoroids;
3. Gasoline could fall below a dollar a gallon;
4. Glen Campbell could be forced to apologize for having ever sung Rhinestone Cowboy;
5. Cats, dogs, hamsters, canaries, ferrets, parrots, and dead presidents and prime ministers could cannibalize all of our faces in our sleep because we hadn't switched to Geico Insurance yet;
6. Global warming could successfully be proven to be caused by our remote controls, at which point in order to save the planet all of the governments of the world will issue everybody new remote controls that don't work, at tax payers expenses, of course, and we'll all be forced to watch reruns of Presidential State of the Union addresses for the next 40,000 years without sleep and without death finding us;
7. Elvis Presley could be elected as the head of the European Union, just in time to sing about a whole lotta shakin' going on when the earthquake in the book of Revelation happens;
8. Relief could once again be spelled R, O, L, A, I, D, S;
9. The Titanic could finally reach the U.S.;
10. Fur coats could come to life and run off screaming, even the faux ones;
11. Bad breath could be discovered to be the cure to cancer, diabetes, and AIDS;
12. Nero could rise from the dead as a French prostitute that Elvis Presley would fall in love with and begin singing "Hound Dog" to every night;
13. All of our social security numbers could start with 666;
14. We could all be forced to live on macaroni [without cheese or anything on it] and castor oil for 42 months;
15. All wind chimes could miraculously start playing the theme songs from the Addam's Family and Mash for 42 months and that could wind up being the only music that we have for that whole 42 months as all radio stations, IPods, and music collections and musical instruments miraculously freeze per Bin Ladin's demands;
16. Trees could become rapists that randomly strike everyone without warning;
17. Carl Baugh could win the Nobel Prize;
18. Everyone could have an ATM implanted in the back of their heads, whether they're strong enough to walk around with it or not;
19. All of the governments of the world could start paying all of us taxes;
20. It could be proven that Abraham Lincoln was actually killed by the illuminati;
21. It could be proven that Jesus was crucified by the illuminati;
22. It could be proven that God is a Right-wing Republican;
23. Preparation-H could become mandatory in all of the schools;
24. All women could be forced to take fertility drugs and have 8 kids each year under a new definition of population control;
25. Cars, trucks, vans, and airplanes could become the Transformers;
26. The head of the illuminati could be successfully proven to have been Elmo all this time;
27. Aliens could be proven to have actually lived among us for centuries;
28. Ellen Degeneres could become President of the United States;
29. Snaughty English teachers could gain absolute power over the internet and each webpage with a split infinitive will be taken down;
30. Mechanical bulls could become the new taxi drivers;
31. Robin Williams could be proven to have been Bicentennial Man all of this time;
32. Mandatory eye donation at your 18th birthday could begin;
33. Jesus could come back, only to be chased by Elmo all over the middle east for 7 years;
34. Evolutionary scientists could evolve into rational human beings;
35. Mandatory evacuation of every bird's bowels onto every automobile, boat, plane, and their owners for 7 years straight could begin, with cages everywhere miraculously blowing open so that all birds can comply with fulfilling this curse upon automobiles, boats, planes, and their owners;
36. Mandatory evacuation of everyone from California could begin, with everyone being crammed into FEMA trailers and taken to Rhode Island, or is that Easter Island?;
37. The forced relocation of everyone from Washington D.C. to the commedy channel could begin;
38. Headaches could be proven to be mental telepathy with extraterrestrials at work;
39. Marilyn Monroe could be reincarnated as a writer's stationary;
40. George Burns, Morgan Freeman, or Bruce Almighty could be proven to have been God all of this time;
Did I miss any of the important ones to be on the lookout for that day that they're claiming happens then? And I'm talking about the serious ones, like the ones above that people have been waiting for, for thousands of years!!
Well, at least none of these things happened, thank goodness. :bigGrin:
CHB
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
Armies attacking Israel.
a 4th Iron kingdom of some sorts that has 13 king alliance, which after being weakened is then taken over by the little horn.
I have a suspicion, I think I know who this 4th Iron beast will be in its initial stages, if true, this beast will be a strange beast indeed for the saints to comprehend.
TT, do you think that armies attacking Israel will be the first sign of the end?
CHB
Armies are going to attack you and I and all christians?
Quote from: CHB on January 12, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
Armies attacking Israel.
a 4th Iron kingdom of some sorts that has 13 king alliance, which after being weakened is then taken over by the little horn.
I have a suspicion, I think I know who this 4th Iron beast will be in its initial stages, if true, this beast will be a strange beast indeed for the saints to comprehend.
TT, do you think that armies attacking Israel will be the first sign of the end?
CHB
I think it is definetly a sign that things are close to the end.
But Israel is a sturdy nation and could be battling for generations.
Many prophets say to watch Israel.
:cloud9: My :2c: Pity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them. :sigh:
WE are the Israel of God, WE are the original bride (redeemed souls of the true circumcision), getting ready to birth the spiritual SEED of the natural Son that was "cut off" without having any natural heirs, that He might bring forth (birth) many sons unto glory.
They are like the sons of the prophets of Elisha's day; and they were JUST that, what the PROPHETS produced. They stood AFAR OFF and prophesied to Elisha that his master would be taken today; but Elisha was told that if he FOLLOWED HIM and SAW (percieved thru the mind of Christ) Elijah (the flesh of him) leave, then he would receive the DOUBLE PORTION.
Compare with the men of Galilee who were looking at the natural flesh of Him leave and didn't discern that meant they would from henceforth not know Him after the flesh anymore, either, but after the Spirit.
The Pharisee's were no better; they missed the spirit of Elijah, too. And so will we if we keep our eyes on the natural flesh that is getting ready to be rent. My :2c: Blessings....
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
I'm glad you guys are more ready to wake up to the end times.
Although I feel 2012 is to early, there are many events that have yet to take place, so there is still a brighter future to look forward to in the world.
I recuse myself from any implication that I acknowledge this persons opinions.
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
Armies attacking Israel.
a 4th Iron kingdom of some sorts that has 13 king alliance, which after being weakened and degraded into part clay is then taken over by the little horn and kills/uproots 3 of the kings.
I have a suspicion, I think I know who this 4th Iron beast will be in its initial stages, if true, this beast will be a strange beast indeed for the saints to comprehend.
Who?
Quote from: CardinalPity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them.
Don't you think the dark kingdom might be running its usual counterfeit of God's holy word?
because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against
the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual power of wickedness in the heavenlies. Eph 6
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 12, 2012, 10:56:42 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
I'm glad you guys are more ready to wake up to the end times.
Although I feel 2012 is to early, there are many events that have yet to take place, so there is still a brighter future to look forward to in the world.
I recuse myself from any implication that I acknowledge this persons opinions.
:laughing7:
CHB
Quote from: Molly on January 12, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: CardinalPity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them.
Don't you think the dark kingdom might be running its usual counterfeit of God's holy word?
because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual power of wickedness in the heavenlies. Eph 6
Molly, I was thinking the same thing.
CHB
Quote from: Cardinal on January 12, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
:cloud9: :thumbsup: Had a dream/vision last year of Him hurriedly going thru the compartment of the inner court, changing garments from priests to High Priest, as He went. Time is short; time to press in. My :2c: Blessings...
Zec 3:1-10 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. (2) And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? (3) Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. (4) And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. (5) And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by. (6) And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying, (7) Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. (8) Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. (9) For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. (10) In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Glory!
Quote from: Cardinal
Pity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them.
Quote from Molly: Don't you think the dark kingdom might be running its usual counterfeit of God's holy word?
because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual power of wickedness in the heavenlies. Eph 6
:cloud9: When DON'T they.....
I used to be very forthcoming with the information I am given.
That is no longer the case.
I am tired of being mocked, ridiculed, and ignored by people who should know better.
God has made it abundantly clear to his servants what is going on.
If you don't know by now, seek and you will find.
And, seek now.
Quote from: Molly on January 14, 2012, 12:50:09 AM
I used to be very forthcoming with the information I am given.
That is no longer the case.
I am tired of being mocked, ridiculed, and ignored by people who should know better.
God has made it abundantly clear to his servants what is going on.
If you don't know by now, seek and you will find.
And, seek now.
I was not mocking you Molly. I cannot show publicly the information you request due to its sensitive nature, I might be wrong and this would spread and cause heretics to do evils. I might show you privately though.
:cool:
Quote from: Molly on January 14, 2012, 12:50:09 AM
I used to be very forthcoming with the information I am given.
That is no longer the case.
I am tired of being mocked, ridiculed, and ignored by people who should know better.
God has made it abundantly clear to his servants what is going on.
If you don't know by now, seek and you will find.
And, seek now.
Molly, I pray you don't think that I have ever mocked, ridiculed, or ignored you? If you thought that, I apologize for doing it unknowingly because I never intended to do any of those things. I certainly don't recall doing those things. I was sincerely wanting to know what others thought about the end times.
CHB
TT, you are one of the sweetest brothers I know! :thumbsup:
Quote from: sheila on January 14, 2012, 02:04:32 AM
TT, you are one of the sweetest brothers I know! :thumbsup:
Thanks sheila. I always find you uplifting.
Quote from: thinktank on January 14, 2012, 01:50:12 AM
Quote from: Molly on January 14, 2012, 12:50:09 AM
I used to be very forthcoming with the information I am given.
That is no longer the case.
I am tired of being mocked, ridiculed, and ignored by people who should know better.
God has made it abundantly clear to his servants what is going on.
If you don't know by now, seek and you will find.
And, seek now.
I was not mocking you Molly. I cannot show publicly the information you request due to its sensitive nature, I might be wrong and this would spread and cause heretics to do evils. I might show you privately though.
Show your stuff, Tank!
Show how sweet you are!
Let us eat the honey and the comb.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 14, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Let us eat the honey and the comb.
Not that sweet beloved. The scriptures say that all scripture is profitable for doctrine, so I take that the lord desires us to know about the end times. I don't know why precisely, such information is presented in scriptures, but the Lord placed them there for our benefit.
I for one am interested in this topic, due to the distressing times we live in and also I find numerable scriptures speaking of these latter days.
Whether others find it beneficial is up to them how they interpret what the Lord has for them. Maybe for some these things will never be an issue, so the Lord will not lead them down a path, which will not benefit them. But for others I am sure that knowledge of the end times will bring godly fruit of some sort and be for their benefit as the Lord guides them.
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 14, 2012, 04:32:42 AM
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The surest signs that we approach the end of the age are- IMO
1 a woman clothed with the son bringing forth a manchild (the Bride becomes manifest and Sons begin to walk out of her "bowels of compassion")
2 a giant messenger clothed in clouds stands up with one foot on the land and one foot on the sea and with his Head in the heavens carrying a little book the holds the "Glorious Gospel" (Ephesians 4 is fulfilled and "we all attain to the unity of the faith, unto a mature man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ)
3 The early and the latter rains begin to fall and the seed, the shoot, and the full ear begin to manifest.(The Lord begins to pour out of his spirit upon all flesh and a fountain of salvation springs up in the wilderness, far from the interference of so-called churches and synagogues of man/flesh.
While many try to discern the times- and I am one, I think it is a worthwhile endeavor...... I find it odd that so few see that GOD IS THE ACTIVATOR\INITIATOR.
What the enemy does in these times is IN RESPONSE TO WHAT GOD IS DOING- not the other way around. For instance,
If a dragon comes around, it is because a manchild is about to come forth, because a woman is clothed with the sun/son(his face shines like the sun shining in its strength...face=presence).
If you want to see whether the sky is red in the night, look into the oracles of God concerning the City "coming down out of the heavens"
(Bride manifest in the earth- thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven- heaven on earth, veil rent). Made without hands. Foundations in the heavens.
The wedding feast is a celebration of the marriage/union/intercourse/oneness of Bride and the Lamb. A nation born in a day is the result. A manchild born. Come, sit at that table, celebrate THAT communion. If your vessel is not full of oil, you will not make it, because the Lord will call when you least expect it, and relieve you of what you most treasured- your field and your pearls :o)
When that invitation becomes more important than what you think you kno and who you think you are........then you may enter into the joy of your Lord and sit at table with Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Quote from: CHB on January 12, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Hi All,
I don't know how many on here believe in the end time or have any idea of what will transpire leading up to the end time but I was wondering if any thought that God would reveal these things to us like he did to his disciples?
Maybe He did. There are many sites on the topic but which one is right (if any)?
QuoteChrist told his disciples what to look for concerning the end of the old Covenant and I believe those things happened in their day but what do we look for?
Do you think the disciples had a clue what to expect? I think not. Many Jews and Romans converted to Christianity. Most Jews went back to Judaism because after a while it became clear Jesus wouldn't/didn't crush the Roman armies as they expected. That's at least a hint the 12 didn't really explain what the end times looked like.
QuoteI have been reading all of the predictions for 2012, if they are right we are in for some exciting times.
Isn't 2012 mainly a Maya thing?
Some say the Mayan Niburu/Planet X is the Biblical Wormwood. (according to Velikovsky the cause of several Biblical catastrophes)
Is Nibiru for real? I've done some looking around, and although many claim it will be the world's "demise", many others say it's a myth.
I got the following from the NASA site. Lies ("when they cry peace and safety..."), or the truth? :dontknow:
Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.
Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.
Q: Could phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.
› More about alignment
Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.
Quote from: Aleax on January 12, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 12, 2012, 05:18:49 AM
well, what year is it? :wink:
any new thoughts about "what happens next"?
I just heard the end has been delayed to 2025. However, we are to witness major events as we're getting closer to the Jubilee Year.
According to this guy (http://www.bible-codes.org/2025-jubilee-what_it_means.htm), at least.
I think I need some coffee to clear my head before launching an attempt at understanding the author's math. :grin:
AFAIK the Jubilee cycles have been lost for a long time. Even the Sabbath cycle isn't agreed upon but much more certain.
For Sabbath years the disagreement is about 1 year and when excatly it starts. September (=Jewish/Babyloian New Year) or March (14 days before Passover)
That said the nearest Sabbath year was April 2009 - April 2010
Or September 2008 - September 2009
Just add or substract 7 years for the next Sabbath year.
One thing is sure: A Jubilee year always directly follows a Sabbath year. That means April 2010 for example.
But that cycle is debated. For example some say the next Jubilee is 2044-2045, 2045-2046 or 2027 which is completly out of sync with Sabbath years.
The calculations are often poisoned by doctrinal views. Jesus began His ministry near Pentecost in the synagoge of Caprium (sp?) The Chosen verse strongly hints towards a Sabbath or even Jubilee year. It can be argued it was a Jubilee year because the greatest event in history then aligns with the greatest year of redemption. But a Sabbath year would be a much more tactical choice because that means Jesus's ministry was during a Sabbath and a Jubilee year. 2 years of no farming. But Jews did work in such years. The Romans hired them for all sorts of construction projects. That was ideal because most Jews were in towns instead in remote fields. That way Jesus could reach more of them.
So what does that have to do with end times?
Say your denomionations teaches Jesus died on Friday. That narrows down the possible years of crucifixion. If the same denomination teaches a 3 year ministry that also narrows down the start of His Ministry being a Sabbath or Jubilee year. And that ofcourse fixes a Sabbath cycle that still going on right now. But some teach Jesus died on Wednesday or Thursday which forces them to use another year. His ministry was only one year. Etc etc.
Quote from: jabcat on January 14, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
Is Nibiru for real? I've done some looking around, and although many claim it will be the world's "demise", many others say it's a myth.
Let's say it's like 911 was a inside job, JFK was killed by CIA, Elvis is alive, .gov supresses UFO evidence, GWB is a Reptilian :laughing7:
QuoteI got the following from the NASA site. Lies ("when they cry peace and safety..."), or the truth? :dontknow:
Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.
A while ago I've read the 2012 is delayed too. Not because of some conspiricy theory but the way historians read the tablets.
QuoteQ: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.
That's correct. A time of new beginning. Hindus have a similar believe. The world is completly destroyed every x years and their god(s) then recreate everything from scratch. Not unlike Christianity. Also a new beginning.
QuoteQ: Could phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.
› More about alignment
Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.
What can I say?
It's just proof of another .gov coverup :winkgrin:
:happygrin:
Quote from: Aleax on January 12, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 12, 2012, 05:18:49 AM
well, what year is it? :wink:
any new thoughts about "what happens next"?
I just heard the end has been delayed to 2025. However, we are to witness major events as we're getting closer to the Jubilee Year.
According to this guy (http://www.bible-codes.org/2025-jubilee-what_it_means.htm), at least.
I think I need some coffee to clear my head before launching an attempt at understanding the author's math. :grin:
QuoteHe reserves the right to continually delay again and again by 15-year increments
I say the end time will be tomorrow. But God reserves the right to delay.....
Imo that statement shoots a big hole in his Jubilee theory. He starts with an excuse in case he's wrong. Secondly a 15 year delay simply is impossible because a Jubilee cycle is 49 years.
So let's assume the endtimes should have started in the year 2000. That year was a Jubilee year. That means the Sabbath year was 1999 (all years are fictional!)
God delays by 15 years. 2015. The next Jubilee would be 2050. The next Sabbath years 2006, 2013, 2020, 2027
So to align with a Sabbath cycle God can only delay multiples of 7. For Jubilee cycles multiples of 49.
83 - 84 AD
76 - 77 AD
69 - 70 AD --> Temple was destroyed near the end of this Sabbath year
62 - 63 AD
55 - 56 AD --> 2nd year of Nero
48 - 49 AD
41 - 42 AD
34 - 35 AD ---> 70th week of Daniel ends
27 - 28 AD ---> Baptism + start of ministry --> 69th week of Daniel ends
20 - 21 AD
13 - 14 AD
6 - 7 AD
2 - 1 BC
9 - 8 BC
16 - 15 BC
23 - 22 BC
30 - 29 BC
37 - 36 BC -> Herod conquers Jerusalem near the end of this Sabbath year
44 - 43 BC
51 - 50 BC
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 14, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
34 - 35 AD ---> 70th week of Daniel ends
27 - 28 AD ---> Baptism + start of ministry --> 69th week of Daniel ends
IMO, it is unlikely that the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 or 35 AD. None of the apostles said it ended then. See: A cure for preterism (http://wp.me/p1iV8y-DJ).
Doug
Quote from: eaglesway on January 14, 2012, 05:08:28 AM
While many try to discern the times- and I am one, I think it is a worthwhile endeavor...... I find it odd that so few see that GOD IS THE ACTIVATOR\INITIATOR.
What the enemy does in these times is IN RESPONSE TO WHAT GOD IS DOING- not the other way around.
:cloud9: Amen and amen, so true. The enemy cannot create anything, he can only mimic what God does, and that he does badly. The war that is currently waging inside of us, is being perceived in the lower spiritual realms and played out in the natural realm, so that ALL will have no excuse, since His glory is revealed in ALL the heavens/spiritual realms.
Let those in the outer court realm read the outer court "signs"; let us press in to know the Head and not the tail. My :2c: Blessings....
Sir Alex Tyler, The Cycle of Nations:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith
2. from spiritual faith to great courage
3. from great courage to liberty
4. from liberty to abundance
5. from abundance to selfishness
6. from selfishness to complacency
7. from complacency to apathy
8. from apathy to dependency
9. from dependency to bondage
Quote from: Molly on January 14, 2012, 03:48:13 PM
Sir Alex Tyler, The Cycle of Nations:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith
2. from spiritual faith to great courage
3. from great courage to liberty
4. from liberty to abundance
5. from abundance to selfishness
6. from selfishness to complacency
7. from complacency to apathy
8. from apathy to dependency
9. from dependency to bondage
:thumbsup: All is vanity saith the preacher.
Stop Touching Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFoa0LsqVbQ
and a little child shall lead them
my opinion only regarding Nibiru prophecy .
ancient Sumerians[kingdom of darkness/princes of this earth] know it's time is short...peop-le hiding in holes and caves.from coming judgement/destruction..signify's
darkness fleeing/serpent fleeing coming destruction. what is 'bad news' for kingdom of darkness....is deliverance drawing nigh.
I beleive they were aware at time of His coming in judgement due to 'have you come before the appointed time?" statement made to Him
Kingdom of darkness moved in response to Christ's coming in the flesh through Herod....and many male babes died.
He told us..'when you see these things occurring, lift yourselves erect,your deliverance draws nigh" stand in faith,stand in the spirit.
we see Him coming on the clouds of heaven......manna come with the dew of clouds..He is true bread from heaven...king Nebucchadnezer had
to be wetted with the dew of heaven..before he returned to his senses and mind changed from that of a beast to proper submission to God.
the Holy spirit has begun to move in a mighty way
love to you all,in the Lord
Be strong,fear not,stand in the spirit,yeild to the Holy spirit
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 14, 2012, 10:33:21 AM
Quote from: CHB on January 12, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Hi All,
I don't know how many on here believe in the end time or have any idea of what will transpire leading up to the end time but I was wondering if any thought that God would reveal these things to us like he did to his disciples?
Maybe He did. There are many sites on the topic but which one is right (if any)?
You got that right. :dontknow:
Quote from: WhiteWings
Christ told his disciples what to look for concerning the end of the old Covenant and I believe those things happened in their day but what do we look for?
Do you think the disciples had a clue what to expect? I think not. Many Jews and Romans converted to Christianity. Most Jews went back to Judaism because after a while it became clear Jesus wouldn't/didn't crush the Roman armies as they expected. That's at least a hint the 12 didn't really explain what the end times looked like.[/quote]
Jesus did tell his disciples that they would know when it was near, even at the doors. Will we know?
QuoteI have been reading all of the predictions for 2012, if they are right we are in for some exciting times.
Isn't 2012 mainly a Maya thing?
Some say the Mayan Niburu/Planet X is the Biblical Wormwood. (according to Velikovsky the cause of several Biblical catastrophes)
[/quote]
All sorts of things are predicted to happen in 2012, maybe it's the beginning of something?
Some say the way to know when the end begins is to look for the king of the north to rise up. Or, the spirit being poured out upon Israel. Or, the Temple will be built. Or, when Israel is surrounded by armies. I have my doubts about any of this but who knows. Surely there is something in the Bible that one must look for? God said he would do nothing unless he revealed it unto his disciples.
CHB
Quote from: Doug on January 14, 2012, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 14, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
34 - 35 AD ---> 70th week of Daniel ends
27 - 28 AD ---> Baptism + start of ministry --> 69th week of Daniel ends
IMO, it is unlikely that the 70th week of Daniel ended in 34 or 35 AD. None of the apostles said it ended then. See: A cure for preterism (http://wp.me/p1iV8y-DJ).
Doug
Fact remains some week/sabbath cycle ended then. But that's not the topic of this thread. Gospel to teh Gentiles starts.
Quote from: sheila on January 14, 2012, 04:47:56 PM
my opinion only regarding Nibiru prophecy .
ancient Sumerians[kingdom of darkness/princes of this earth] know it's time is short...peop-le hiding in holes and caves.from coming judgement/destruction..signify's
darkness fleeing/serpent fleeing coming destruction. what is 'bad news' for kingdom of darkness....is deliverance drawing nigh.
I beleive they were aware at time of His coming in judgement due to 'have you come before the appointed time?" statement made to Him
Kingdom of darkness moved in response to Christ's coming in the flesh through Herod....and many male babes died.
He told us..'when you see these things occurring, lift yourselves erect,your deliverance draws nigh" stand in faith,stand in the spirit.
we see Him coming on the clouds of heaven......manna come with the dew of clouds..He is true bread from heaven...king Nebucchadnezer had
to be wetted with the dew of heaven..before he returned to his senses and mind changed from that of a beast to proper submission to God.
the Holy spirit has begun to move in a mighty way
love to you all,in the Lord
Be strong,fear not,stand in the spirit,yeild to the Holy spirit
:cloud9: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
"Coming...One World Currency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nO3lAxfg
The American Hebrew September 10,1920
Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains,of Jewish dissatisfaction,of Jewish planning,whose goal is to create a new order in the world.What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,thanks to Jewish brains,and because of Jewish dissatisfaction,and by Jewish planning,shall also,through the same Jewish mental and physical forces,become a reality all over the world,Revelation 2:9,,3:9
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Quote from: Molly on January 16, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
"Coming...One World Currency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nO3lAxfg
I think the new currency will be based on Chinese and Russian power, replacing the dollar as the standard.
Quote from: Cardinal on January 12, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
:cloud9: My :2c: Pity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them. :sigh:
WE are the Israel of God, WE are the original bride (redeemed souls of the true circumcision), getting ready to birth the spiritual SEED of the natural Son that was "cut off" without having any natural heirs, that He might bring forth (birth) many sons unto glory.
They are like the sons of the prophets of Elisha's day; and they were JUST that, what the PROPHETS produced. They stood AFAR OFF and prophesied to Elisha that his master would be taken today; but Elisha was told that if he FOLLOWED HIM and SAW (percieved thru the mind of Christ) Elijah (the flesh of him) leave, then he would receive the DOUBLE PORTION.
Compare with the men of Galilee who were looking at the natural flesh of Him leave and didn't discern that meant they would from henceforth not know Him after the flesh anymore, either, but after the Spirit.
The Pharisee's were no better; they missed the spirit of Elijah, too. And so will we if we keep our eyes on the natural flesh that is getting ready to be rent. My :2c: Blessings....
No offense cardinal but I sometimes think you lack discernment or perhaps maybe afraid of offending antitribulationists. Your message should witness to mine rather than conjure up another doctrine and go off topic.
I know that you have in the past written a lot concerning the role of natural Israel. Isn't Israel the apples of Gods eye.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem saints, as there is possibility of world war 3 breaking out.
The zionists are no more Israel than the 10,000 denominations are the spotless bride.
Quote from: thinktank on January 16, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 16, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
"Coming...One World Currency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nO3lAxfg
I think the new currency will be based on Chinese and Russian power, replacing the dollar as the standard.
I think that's not going to happen beacuse those in charge have no control of Russia (and China)
Quote from: CHB on January 14, 2012, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 14, 2012, 10:33:21 AM
Jesus did tell his disciples that they would know when it was near, even at the doors. Will we know?
QuoteI have been reading all of the predictions for 2012, if they are right we are in for some exciting times.
Isn't 2012 mainly a Maya thing?
Some say the Mayan Niburu/Planet X is the Biblical Wormwood. (according to Velikovsky the cause of several Biblical catastrophes)
All sorts of things are predicted to happen in 2012, maybe it's the beginning of something?
(Rev 8:8) And the second agent sounded, and something like a great
burning mountain was cast into the sea. And the third part of the sea became blood,
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 16, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 16, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 16, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
"Coming...One World Currency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nO3lAxfg
I think the new currency will be based on Chinese and Russian power, replacing the dollar as the standard.
I think that's not going to happen beacuse those in charge have no control of Russia (and China)
They have already publicly proposed a new currency. After the dollar devalues, no one will trust America no more and will go to the new currency of the communists, that is backed by assets.
China is becoming a superpower.
I think thought it's possible to stop this from happening via prayer and repentance and that through miracalous intervention by God, the debt situation can be overcome. If not the people will have to work communist type environments 7 day work week, basic wage, no vacations, food rations, fuel rations etc, graduates working all night shifts for Chinese owned businesses.
If theres one thing not to copy about china, it is their working conditions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aca71nsqhuWs
God knows who natural Israel is. Whatever He scatters, He can order to return.
My daughter watches this show called fashion T.V.
They have various experts telling and predicting
what will be in fashion next year.
None of them mentioned Red or camouflage.
I assumed they where not in on this whole Chinese Russian thing.
When the Cross be lifted up.
When men and women speak of the pureness of the Cross.
The simple message that the case is over you been pronounced, Blameless.
God worked it all out while you where being held.
You are innocent and now free.
When people hear you and are amazed at your message.
The only wondering about the End times will be I hope it's not too soon.
As far as I can figure, our only hope is to start all over again from scratch.
People don't understand what it meant to have the dollar as the world's reserve currency for 50 years.
It made us very wealthy for as long as it lasted.
It also made us lazy and arrogant.
We allowed all of our industry to be shipped overseas in the last 20 years.
What do we export anymore besides the dollar?
Even so, I would rather be poor and free than poor and a slave.
We still have a Republic, if we can keep it.
Quote from: jabcat on January 17, 2012, 12:48:01 AM
God knows who natural Israel is. Whatever He scatters, He can order to return.
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16
Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God. --Gal 6
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh--
Phil 3:3
Galatians 3:7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2012, 01:49:29 AM
Quote from: jabcat on January 17, 2012, 12:48:01 AM
God knows who natural Israel is. Whatever He scatters, He can order to return.
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
--Gal 6
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh--
Phil 3:3
Galatians 3:7 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
Good scrips. I'll add one;
We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end.
But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 2 Cor. 3:13,14
We still have a Republic, if we can keep it.
I don't have a Republic.
The problem with you Americans is you don't think,
That the Chinese or Russians
might be Christians speculating about who the whore is.
Quote from: dajomaco on January 17, 2012, 02:49:05 AM
We still have a Republic, if we can keep it.
I don't have a Republic.
The problem with you Americans is you don't think,
That the Chinese or Russians
might be Christians speculating about who the whore is.
I"m not sure what you are referring to but just to make myself clear, my form of government was founded by Christians, and I really don't want to llive under the other forms of government offered by the Russians or the Chinese or the Muslims.
I consider the form of government I inherited as my birthright as a gift from God.
This is, of course, assuming we can restore the Republic our Founders gave us.
Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2012, 01:33:17 AM
As far as I can figure, our only hope is to start all over again from scratch.
People don't understand what it meant to have the dollar as the world's reserve currency for 50 years.
It made us very wealthy for as long as it lasted.
It also made us lazy and arrogant.
We allowed all of our industry to be shipped overseas in the last 20 years.
What do we export anymore besides the dollar?
Even so, I would rather be poor and free than poor and a slave.
We still have a Republic, if we can keep it.
It wasn t allowed, it was planned and executed. It began in the 70's when they took down the barriers (tariffs) against importing commodities from foreign government supported marketers like Japanese steel and Arab oil and Chinese textiles. It continued through the 80's as the independent farmers in this country began to be shut down by wildly fluctuating interest rates and massive foreclosure on their land. Also in the 80s, the dismantling of pension funds by arbitragers who bought companies(like Eastern Airlines, etc.) so they could break them up and raid the workers savings began like a wildfire, with Boesky, Icahn, and Miliken and the likes destroying whole industries. Then came the 90's NAFTA and GATT put the final nail in the coffin of American labor and wages froze and have not risen signifigantly since. Bring on the new millienia, no jobs, no manufacturing, no production, no savings, no real value- we are standing on a bubble stretched over a black hole :o) This was no ACCIDENT. Corrupt unions, corrupt politicians and a nation of greedy, sleeping people who left the watch towers unmanned and the ramparts unguarded may have helped the process, but this is CLASS WAR at the highest levels, and the American juggernaut that was the first free democratic nation in modern history is in shambles, alternately reeling in a drunken stupor and begging on its knees before the banksters of the coming one world government.
When you see these things begin to happen, "Rejoice, your REDEMPTION is drawing near. LOOK UP, don't go back down into your house! REMEMBER LOT"S WIFE!"......
There is only one nation under God....... the kingdom of God, and if you are a member of it you will be hated by all the other nations for His name's sake.
Time to get under the shadow of the Almighty, seek shelter beneath His wings. The secret place of the Most High is the only refuge that will withstand the coming storm.
Quote from: eagleswayThis was no ACCIDENT
Yep. Planned for over a hundred years in fact. But, I was trying to keep it simple.
But, I wouldn't call it a class war. It is described very well in the Bible, something about sheep and wolves if I recall.
"oligarchy"A small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.
A state governed by such a group.
PS We are a Republic, not a Democracy. Big difference, even though they would like us to forget.
Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία, oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with an elite class distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, commercial, and/or military legitimacy. The word oligarchy is derived from the Greek words "ὀλίγος" (olígos), "a few"[2] and the verb "ἄρχω" (archo), "to rule, to govern, to command".[3]--Wiki
10 The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give life in all its fullness.
11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
--John 10
Nothing is perchance!
This song written for the Vietnam war. How many undeclared wars ago was that? Eight? Nine? Pretty soon I won't have enough fingers.
Ron Paul was boo'ed in South Carolina tonight for suggesting we follow the Golden Rule Policy with other nations instead of our current Pre-emptive War Policy [really Hitler's invention].
Now, today, 40 years later, this singer is a Muslim, and those who worship the Prince of Peace can't get enough of war.
[But I suspect and hope those were plants in the audience.]
For out on the edge of darkness
There rides the peace train
Peace train take this country
Come take me home again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg0sWJ2k8cE
Quote from: thinktank on January 16, 2012, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: Cardinal on January 12, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
:cloud9: My :2c: Pity, these "prophets" don't know which "Israel" or how to "watch" them. :sigh:
WE are the Israel of God, WE are the original bride (redeemed souls of the true circumcision), getting ready to birth the spiritual SEED of the natural Son that was "cut off" without having any natural heirs, that He might bring forth (birth) many sons unto glory.
They are like the sons of the prophets of Elisha's day; and they were JUST that, what the PROPHETS produced. They stood AFAR OFF and prophesied to Elisha that his master would be taken today; but Elisha was told that if he FOLLOWED HIM and SAW (percieved thru the mind of Christ) Elijah (the flesh of him) leave, then he would receive the DOUBLE PORTION.
Compare with the men of Galilee who were looking at the natural flesh of Him leave and didn't discern that meant they would from henceforth not know Him after the flesh anymore, either, but after the Spirit.
The Pharisee's were no better; they missed the spirit of Elijah, too. And so will we if we keep our eyes on the natural flesh that is getting ready to be rent. My :2c: Blessings....
No offense cardinal but I sometimes think you lack discernment or perhaps maybe afraid of offending antitribulationists. Your message should witness to mine rather than conjure up another doctrine and go off topic.
I know that you have in the past written a lot concerning the role of natural Israel. Isn't Israel the apples of Gods eye.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem saints, as there is possibility of world war 3 breaking out.
:cloud9: And you are entitled to your opinion TT, but I'm not afraid of offending and in my point of view I didn't go off topic. To summarize, I am well aware of what is happening in the natural, but it is not, nor by the grace of God will ever be, my primary focus.
Nor do I believe it should be anyone's focus right now, as if BY TAKING THOUGHT, it could make a difference. The ONLY place we need to be concerned with running to is into Him, our strong tower. He is the ONLY ONE who can preserve us through what is coming. The power that God is ready to unleash thru His sons is going to be UNLIMITED, and NOTHING will be able to stand against it.
Now referring back to the word He gave me recently about the soul being like a magnifying glass, magnifying whatever it perceives, let us magnify the LORD IN HEAVEN, and not the "giants" in the land/earth. They would have NO POWER if it were not given them from above for a season, and that season is just about up. My :2c: Blessings....
for I have not given you a spirit of fear, but of power and love and self discipline
Amen
Sing to God,sing Praise to His name....extol HIM who RIDES ON THE CLOUDS- His name is the Lord- and rejoice before Him
....he leads forth the prisoners with singing.
When you went out before your people,O'God...when you marched through the wasteland, the earth shook,
the heavens poured down rain, be3fore God, the One of Sinai, before God,the God of Israel
You gave abundant showers O'God,you refreshed your weary inheritance
The Lord announced the word,and great was the company of those who proclaimed it;Kings and armies flee in haste;
in the camps men divide the plunder. Even while you sleep among the campfires,the wings of my dove are sheathed with silver[plunder from
the kings of Caanan...celebrates the fact God has defeated the kings even before Isreal met them in battle...
Your procession[Sos 6;10] has come into veiw,O'God, the procession of my God and King into the sanctuary
Summon YOUR POWER,O'GOD; SHOW US YOUR STRENGTH,O'GOD,AS YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE
BECAUSE OF YOUR TEMPLE[dwelling place] AT JERUSALEM[above many dwelling places-mans[z]sions
REBUKE THE BEASTS AMONG THE REEDS{bring into submission] the herds of bulls among the calves of the nations.....
Scatter the nations who delight in war
Envoys will come from Egypt,Cush will submit hers3elf to God[can a leopard change it's spots?]
SING TO GOD,O'KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH,SING PRAISE TO THE LORD
TO HIM WHO RIDES THE ANCIENT SKIES ABOVE, WHO THUNDERS WITH MIGHTY VOICE
PROCLAIM THE POWER OF GOD,WHOSE MAJESTY IS OVER ISREAL,WHOSE POWER IS IN THE SKIES
YOU ARE AWESOME IN YOUR SANCTUARY,THE GOD OF ISREAL GIVES POWER AND STRENGTH TO HIS PEOPLE
PRAISE BE TO GOD]
good word cardinal :icon_king:
2 Chronicles 7:14 - "If My (God's) people, which are called by My (God's name - Christian)name, will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways: THEN will I (God) hear from heaven, and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SINS, AND WILL HEAL THEIR LAND."
I"m not sure what you are referring to but just to make myself clear, my form of government was founded by Christians.We can't take a word like Christian and impute some sort of warm fuzzy pureness, and attached an other word Government and impute the same warm fuzzy pureness.
Your government as it stands before the cross will be judge one of most evil destructive forces man kind has ever known.
Ever person who is part of that government before the cross will be judged righteous and pure.
Quote from: dajomaco on January 17, 2012, 09:29:03 PM
I"m not sure what you are referring to but just to make myself clear, my form of government was founded by Christians.We can't take a word like Christian and impute some sort of warm fuzzy pureness, and attached an other word Government and impute the same warm fuzzy pureness.
Your government as it stands before the cross will be judge one of most evil destructive forces man kind has ever known.
Ever person who is part of that government before the cross will be judged righteous and pure.
What country are you from?
I'm talking about my form of government, not the 'government' we have in place today.
Nowhere else could I live in such safety and security as a woman than in this country.
:goodone:
Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2012, 03:57:59 AM
Quote from: eagleswayThis was no ACCIDENT
Yep. Planned for over a hundred years in fact. But, I was trying to keep it simple.
But, I wouldn't call it a class war. It is described very well in the Bible, something about sheep and wolves if I recall.
"oligarchy"
A small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution.
A state governed by such a group.
PS We are a Republic, not a Democracy. Big difference, even though they would like us to forget.
Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία, oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with an elite class distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, commercial, and/or military legitimacy. The word oligarchy is derived from the Greek words "ὀλίγος" (olígos), "a few"[2] and the verb "ἄρχω" (archo), "to rule, to govern, to command".[3]
--Wiki
10 The thief's purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give life in all its fullness.
11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
--John 10
Oligarchy is all about class war. The Oligarch's, being the ruling elite, change the law of the land to enhance their own position and oppress the working people, manipuling the cost of commodities(basic necessities of life). Greedy corrupt unions and sleeping citizens who have left the watch unmanned have hastened things along, but make no mistake, the oligarchs are testified to in scripture repeatedly as those who enslave men and rob them by injustice.
The prophets, Jesus and the apostles all testify to this.....it is actually a central theme throughout the Word and fundamental to the whole counsel of God.
The parable of the rich man and Lazarus.
The parable of the "Good Samaritan".
James 2
1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
6But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?
7Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? In a country where Christians seem to routinely bow and scrape before the oligarchs, even as they dance before the golden calf of prosperity, this part of the gospel should not be ignored. It is one of the primary themes of scripture. Somehow, supporting a corrupt government that whores itself out to the rich while oppressing the working poor seems anti-christian to me. If a person cares about the nation and believes God still has a purpose in preserving it, I would think they would want to shout from the housetops........Corruption is destroying this nation-even as it it has compromised the "churches". Perhaps there is not enough salt in us to preserve the earth around us.
[/color=purple]James 5
1Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
6Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
6Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
7Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
8Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward.
9Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
10And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day:
11And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
12And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. [/color]
IMO Christians ignore these scriptures at their peril.
"Depart from me you lawless ones, I never knew you"
Allegedly there were strange sounds all over the world last week.
This one from Conklin, Alberta ---well, what do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLNmdZTf_g
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 14, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Let us eat the honey and the comb.
hE SAID TO ME TAKE IT AND EAT IT.iT WILL TURN YOUR STOMACH SOUR,
BUT IN YOUR MOUTH IT WILL BE AS SWEET AS HONEY.
So I guess the end times do taste sweet, to Gods prophet, can't be all bad then folks!
Quote from: dajomaco on January 17, 2012, 02:49:05 AM
We still have a Republic, if we can keep it.
I don't have a Republic.
The problem with you Americans is you don't think,
That the Chinese or Russians
might be Christians speculating about who the whore is.
Do ~Chinese celebrate christmas, or worship the king?
Quote from: eagleswayOligarchy is all about class war
Not really, because it's not about classes. It's about cabals.
"cabal"A secret political clique or faction
Do ~Chinese celebrate Christmas, or worship the king?
You Americans LoL
You think that because you celebrate Christmas.
You have a leg up on the Chinese.
Well on judgment day I want to be standing in line with the rest of the Chinese
The line up where all you need to know the Cross and presume
God took care of everything else.
The safest place for a woman is beside a man of God
or else allowing the Holy Spirit to help her become one.
Please post facts (and opinions) without ridicule and mocking. Whether it would bother you or not, mocking of wherever you're from would also be discouraged.
By the way, not that it really matters, but ThinkTank's not an American.
Molly, sott site, I saw that..what came to mind was this ....'the whole creation groaning for the manifestation of the sons of God"
QuoteThe safest place for a woman is beside a man of God
or else allowing the Holy Spirit to help her become one
I would agree with that and add
and/or in a country founded by men of God.
Do you live in China?
Quote from: dajomaco on January 18, 2012, 12:25:50 AM
Do ~Chinese celebrate Christmas, or worship the king?
You Americans LoL
You think that because you celebrate Christmas.
You have a leg up on the Chinese.
Well on judgment day I want to be standing in line with the rest of the Chinese
The line up where all you need to know the Cross and presume
God took care of everything else.
The safest place for a woman is beside a man of God
or else allowing the Holy Spirit to help her become one.
I'm just saying to be realistic about the current state of China. Although I believe they will make good progress towards freedom of Christ.
For it is the is least among you all who is the greatest."I know think tank is not an American.
There is no such thing as an American
There is however a Cross and as it is lifted up.
Power is given freely to whom ever chooses to lift the Cross.
The Cross need not be defended or offended.
You guys are the Greatest
I know that Christians are persecuted much more in other countries than in America.
And, also that Christians comprise God's holy nation of priests.
But, the nations exist even at the end of the book of Revelation.
24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it
--Rev 21
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
The power of the Cross is not for tomorrow or for some special date that
can be proven by the study of the Greek
and then disproven by a study of Aramaic.
The power is for today .You can convince any one you want to with that power.
They can have peace with God today with that power.
Yes you can. Yes you can. Yes you can. Yes you can.
When he noticed how the guests picked the places of honor at the table, he told them this parable: 8 "When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited. 9 If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, 'Give this person your seat.' Then, humiliated, you will have to take the least important place. 10 But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, 'Friend, move up to a better place.' Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests. 11 For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted
For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted
Exactly. God judges everyone the same, without respect to personage or nationality, by the standard set by His Son. He knows the secrets of every heart. He sees clear though every one of us. While I am sure it is difficult for me to know what it is like to be a committed believer in China, it may be just as difficult for you to understand what it is to be a committed believer in the USA. I would hesitate to speak the words, "You Chinese", lumping my Chinese brethren in together with the actions of their government. When you are speaking, as you are, to your brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum, you should consider your own verses in your last post. I live in America. Christ is my only King. My fellow believers are my "nation". That makes you and I brothers, if you have the Logos in you.
Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word(logos) of God.
For, "ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS, AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS. THE GRASS WITHERS, AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF, BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER." And this is the word which was preached to you.
(1Pe 1:22-25)
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AMHowever, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
Let's turn it into an assassination forum then :winkgrin:
Purely from a Biblical view, ignoring laws and tactical advantage; does the Bible allow to murder oppressors? Kill the pharao, Hitler or todays top 50 that wreck the world?
Quote from: eaglesway on January 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted
Exactly. God judges everyone the same, without respect to personage or nationality,
God is no respector of persons. But... He is a respector of what persons are 'given'. If much is given, much is required. The amount given varies from person to person. Assuming you have children my guess is that they "are given" more about Jesus than for example an Iranian child.
Viewed from that angle judgement isn't equal for all. Roughly that means people are judged according to their nationality. (because knowledge is often linked to nationality)
Quote from: thinktank on January 17, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 16, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 16, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 16, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
"Coming...One World Currency"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7nO3lAxfg
I think the new currency will be based on Chinese and Russian power, replacing the dollar as the standard.
I think that's not going to happen beacuse those in charge have no control of Russia (and China)
They have already publicly proposed a new currency. After the dollar devalues, no one will trust America no more and will go to the new currency of the communists, that is backed by assets.
China is becoming a superpower.
Mmm, though I already answered this post.
Becoming. Right now China's GDP is about the same as that of Japan.
A more logical change would be the Euro. But that's not going to happen either. Ask Iraq (and Iran) what happens if you propose to pay oil with Euro's.
Besides of all nationalistic :blahgreen: if one (Europe, US, China, ...) falls all fall. Local economies no longer exist.
Quotenew currency of the communists, that is backed by assets.
Assets that are valued by western standards.....
Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
Allegedly there were strange sounds all over the world last week.
This one from Conklin, Alberta ---well, what do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLNmdZTf_g
:cloud9: Interesting.....sounds like they figured out how to make that new "invisible particle" bigger and are trying it out on their latest secret weapon....no joke, read that about the particle a few weeks back from legit science reporting. :dontknow:
we must not let nationalistic diviions scatter us.....scattered to the four corners of the earth can symbolize nationalistic or racial divisions[red yellow,black and white]
the rainbow covenant is all inclusive. the adversary likes to use little things like,national origin,skin colour..to try and cause division in Christ,among other things
a house divided against it self can not stand. all man is one in Christ....those who are given much..more is expected. same with the receiving of stripes.
Of Christ,it is written,'He was assigned a grave with the wicked[as are all in Adam] and with the rich in his death,though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth. as American's hated by other nations,who knows,we may die a death like unto His...but they need to know...
BECAUSE I WAS THERE is written by the Hand of God, and a city may be spared if one righteous man be in it. and Jerusalem above is that city,Jesus
Christ,the one righteous man, and all our hopes and future,are upon it
I have even heard it is easier to remain faithful under oppression and persecution...than in a land full of temptations. Sodom and Gomorrah,for instance
a sufficiency of bread,ease of life,contributed .
it's all condensing down...all nations in the same boat,one falls,they all fall..perplexity of nations. same with His body..one member suffers,the whole body suffers.
earthquakes,famines,wars.....all are the beginnings of childbirth pangs. Can a nation[Isreal/all mankind raised in Christ] be born in a day? Indeed,it can,in
the Day of the Lord.
:cloud9: Amen :thumbsup:
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 18, 2012, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: eaglesway on January 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted
Exactly. God judges everyone the same, without respect to personage or nationality,
God is no respector of persons. But... He is a respector of what persons are 'given'. If much is given, much is required. The amount given varies from person to person. Assuming you have children my guess is that they "are given" more about Jesus than for example an Iranian child.
Viewed from that angle judgement isn't equal for all. Roughly that means people are judged according to their nationality. (because knowledge is often linked to nationality)
God discerns by the secrets of the heart. None of the outward factors we observe matter to Him. It is the measure you mete by which you are measured- whether knowledgeable or ignorant, it is your love and mercy that will find you out, or excuse you in the light of Day(Romans 1,2). What you have been given is life and love. What you do with it, only God really sees- we can't even really see ourselves clearly from that perspective. That's why we are to judge no one. That's why all judgement is given to the Son, only Jesus walked in perfect love- and judges only by what he hears from the Father.
Who is so blind as my servant?
He will not judge by what his ears hear or what his eyes see but with righteousness he will judge the nations.
Good Word,my brother
it was love and mercy that delivered me out of spiritual bondage to a very legalistic religious system of worship. the 'leaders' in the 'church' were very
hard-hearted,demanding and unkind/unloving to a sister I knew. the best I can understand is God sent me to Babylon,a spiritual prison house...
until I paid the last penny[due to my salvation by works/personal merit theology=self-righteousness] I was delivered from that when 'love' set me free
my love and compassion for a sister[little one] freed me. at that time my eyes were opened to their religious hypocrisy...thye lack of love evidenced to me
that 'THE TRUTH" was not in them...though they loudly declare it.
....because of the increasing of 'lawlessness' the LOVE of the greater number would 'cool'. this increasing of lawlessness is just this...tresspasses and
offenses suffered due to lack of love/obediance. Funny how it works...when other's tresspass against you,offend you...then people want to go back to judgement
or law/condemnation....seeking vengence.what many fail to recognize is law does not perfect...but love does. By the law we are all judged /condemned as tresspassers
the first Adam tresspassed against God and took from a tree that God had not given to him. He held one tree back/seperated..as His own...
and NOW.....ALLTHINGS ARE YOURS....see the example God himself set.....that GOD may be ALL IN ALL
Quote from: thinktank on January 17, 2012, 11:45:49 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 14, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Let us eat the honey and the comb.
hE SAID TO ME TAKE IT AND EAT IT.iT WILL TURN YOUR STOMACH SOUR,
BUT IN YOUR MOUTH IT WILL BE AS SWEET AS HONEY.
So I guess the end times do taste sweet, to Gods prophet, can't be all bad then folks!
1. My reply was to your teasing with the prospect of telling us your new and personal revelation from God (post #480), which you never did . You manipulated my post.
2. The eaten scroll makes ones stomach bitter, not the honey and comb; you refer to an entirely different Scripture. Again, manipulating my post.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 18, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 17, 2012, 11:45:49 PM
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 14, 2012, 03:23:22 AM
Let us eat the honey and the comb.
hE SAID TO ME TAKE IT AND EAT IT.iT WILL TURN YOUR STOMACH SOUR,
BUT IN YOUR MOUTH IT WILL BE AS SWEET AS HONEY.
So I guess the end times do taste sweet, to Gods prophet, can't be all bad then folks!
1. My reply was to your teasing with the prospect of telling us your new and personal revelation from God (post #480), which you never did . You manipulated my post.
2. The eaten scroll makes ones stomach bitter, not the honey and comb; you refer to an entirely different Scripture. Again, manipulating my post.
I was led to believe that your not a fan of the end times, given you dismissal of my opinion concerning opening up interest to the end times. Hence sweet is not what you would call it. I also made the statement, as questioning the value of knowing the end times, as to how it benefits saints spiritually. So I have posted the scripture that John spoke, as an act of faith that since John is bang slap in the middle of the tribulation events and he called the word sweet to his mouth, then perhaps knowledge of the end times does benefit the saints spiritually in some sense, that most are not aware of.
I just don't understand you.
1. Where did I dismiss "end times?"
2. ALL revelation of God is sweet despite our temporal consideration of it.
3. I was referring to your secret, personal, undisclosed revelation from God — John is NOT!
FACTOR X--THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH
http://nation.foxnews.com/factor-x/2012/01/18/factor-x-have-we-finally-found-fountain-youth
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 18, 2012, 08:19:20 PM
I just don't understand you.
1. Where did I dismiss "end times?"
Re: 472
2. ALL revelation of God is sweet despite our temporal consideration of it.
3. I was referring to your secret, personal, undisclosed revelation from God — John is NOT!
I would not call it a revelation, I would call it putting prophecy pieces together that match up and a kind of 'aha' moment. I have not received any signs from God that it is correct, so do not wish to spread heresy, as this one could bring a lot of trouble, unless God tells me otherwise.
Quote from: Beloved Servant on January 12, 2012, 10:56:42 PM
Quote from: thinktank on January 12, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
I'm glad you guys are more ready to wake up to the end times.
Although I feel 2012 is to early, there are many events that have yet to take place, so there is still a brighter future to look forward to in the world.
I recuse myself from any implication that I acknowledge this persons opinions.
Here, I simply state that you do not speak for me.
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
"This isn't a political forum"---What do you think of this:
The second word I want to address in this section is the word church. Christians suppose that this original Greek word meant some sort of assembly that is devoted to Christian worship, preaching, praying and prophesying. Some think it means an assembly, ekklesia, to have a warm Christian fellowship, singing and praising God, and so forth. If you will look up the word assembly in Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, you will again find the national intent of that word translated church. According to Vine's, a church is "a body of citizens gathered to discuss the affairs of state." When Jesus said, "I will build my church," He was saying that He would build an assembly that would be informed as to the affairs of state, that is, the proper use of government. During one of His church meetings, one of the disciples asked. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" [Acts 1:61 Christ's answer was no in a round about way. I contend that the question would never have been asked if the preaching and teaching in the assembly, ekklesia, had not been about the affairs of state. So, can there really be a separation between the church and state? Of course not, for the very idea of "the affairs of state" is built right into the word church. In early New England, and throughout the American 17th Century colonies, they did not improperly call their buildings with the steeple and the bell, often used for worship services, churches. They were called "meeting houses" and it was there that the "affairs of state" were openly discussed. Patrick Henry gave his stirring speech, "Give me liberty or give me death!" in such an assembly meeting in Richmond, Virginia. It was quite properly a church. Thus, a New Testament Church can only mean "an assembly of Jacob-Israel gathered to discuss the affairs of state." One of the Gifts of the Spirit, that all Christians are to have is the Gift of governments as set forth in I Corinthians 12:28. The proper word for the so-called churches today, where the "affairs of state" are never discussed, would be an assembly as set forth in James 2:2. There the word is sunogoge, or synagogue in English. I never attend synagogues. Please do not invite me to go to one.
--Nord William Davis, Jr
Quote from: Molly on January 18, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
"This isn't a political forum"---What do you think of this:
The second word I want to address in this section is the word church. Christians suppose that this original Greek word meant some sort of assembly that is devoted to Christian worship, preaching, praying and prophesying. Some think it means an assembly, ekklesia, to have a warm Christian fellowship, singing and praising God, and so forth. If you will look up the word assembly in Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, you will again find the national intent of that word translated church. According to Vine's, a church is "a body of citizens gathered to discuss the affairs of state." When Jesus said, "I will build my church," He was saying that He would build an assembly that would be informed as to the affairs of state, that is, the proper use of government. During one of His church meetings, one of the disciples asked. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" [Acts 1:61 Christ's answer was no in a round about way. I contend that the question would never have been asked if the preaching and teaching in the assembly, ekklesia, had not been about the affairs of state. So, can there really be a separation between the church and state? Of course not, for the very idea of "the affairs of state" is built right into the word church. In early New England, and throughout the American 17th Century colonies, they did not improperly call their buildings with the steeple and the bell, often used for worship services, churches. They were called "meeting houses" and it was there that the "affairs of state" were openly discussed. Patrick Henry gave his stirring speech, "Give me liberty or give me death!" in such an assembly meeting in Richmond, Virginia. It was quite properly a church. Thus, a New Testament Church can only mean "an assembly of Jacob-Israel gathered to discuss the affairs of state." One of the Gifts of the Spirit, that all Christians are to have is the Gift of governments as set forth in I Corinthians 12:28. The proper word for the so-called churches today, where the "affairs of state" are never discussed, would be an assembly as set forth in James 2:2. There the word is sunogoge, or synagogue in English. I never attend synagogues. Please do not invite me to go to one.
--Nord William Davis, Jr
Jesus also said my kingdom is not of this world.
Quote from: redhotmagma on January 18, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 18, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
"This isn't a political forum"---What do you think of this:
The second word I want to address in this section is the word church. Christians suppose that this original Greek word meant some sort of assembly that is devoted to Christian worship, preaching, praying and prophesying. Some think it means an assembly, ekklesia, to have a warm Christian fellowship, singing and praising God, and so forth. If you will look up the word assembly in Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, you will again find the national intent of that word translated church. According to Vine's, a church is "a body of citizens gathered to discuss the affairs of state." When Jesus said, "I will build my church," He was saying that He would build an assembly that would be informed as to the affairs of state, that is, the proper use of government. During one of His church meetings, one of the disciples asked. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" [Acts 1:61 Christ's answer was no in a round about way. I contend that the question would never have been asked if the preaching and teaching in the assembly, ekklesia, had not been about the affairs of state. So, can there really be a separation between the church and state? Of course not, for the very idea of "the affairs of state" is built right into the word church. In early New England, and throughout the American 17th Century colonies, they did not improperly call their buildings with the steeple and the bell, often used for worship services, churches. They were called "meeting houses" and it was there that the "affairs of state" were openly discussed. Patrick Henry gave his stirring speech, "Give me liberty or give me death!" in such an assembly meeting in Richmond, Virginia. It was quite properly a church. Thus, a New Testament Church can only mean "an assembly of Jacob-Israel gathered to discuss the affairs of state." One of the Gifts of the Spirit, that all Christians are to have is the Gift of governments as set forth in I Corinthians 12:28. The proper word for the so-called churches today, where the "affairs of state" are never discussed, would be an assembly as set forth in James 2:2. There the word is sunogoge, or synagogue in English. I never attend synagogues. Please do not invite me to go to one.
--Nord William Davis, Jr
Jesus also said my kingdom is not of this world.
Is THAT what he said?
What did Jesus say and to whom and when did he say it?
What did he say? He didn't say what you said.
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But
now my kingdom is from another place." John 18:36
That little word 'now' is really there in the scripture.
When is 'now'? Now is when he was speaking to Pilate, before his crucifixion. Does 'now' still apply after the cross? Didn't the cross change anything?
How did he teach his disciples to pray:
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.
So If we are praying for his kingdom to come and his will to be done on earth---when do we think that kingdom is going to happen? Has it already happened? How?
Did it happen after the cross? If so, then why do Christians always parrot part of the words of Christ and leave out the word 'now'?
I could be wrong, it would be a first :laughing7: but I don't think any carnal governments are going to have anything to do with the fullness of the kingdom on earth. I have no hope in our government or any other human institution, babylon babylon the great is fallen.
Quote from: Molly on January 18, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
"This isn't a political forum"---What do you think of this:
The second word I want to address in this section is the word church. Christians suppose that this original Greek word meant some sort of assembly that is devoted to Christian worship, preaching, praying and prophesying. Some think it means an assembly, ekklesia, to have a warm Christian fellowship, singing and praising God, and so forth. If you will look up the word assembly in Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, you will again find the national intent of that word translated church. According to Vine's, a church is "a body of citizens gathered to discuss the affairs of state." When Jesus said, "I will build my church," He was saying that He would build an assembly that would be informed as to the affairs of state, that is, the proper use of government. During one of His church meetings, one of the disciples asked. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" [Acts 1:61 Christ's answer was no in a round about way. I contend that the question would never have been asked if the preaching and teaching in the assembly, ekklesia, had not been about the affairs of state. So, can there really be a separation between the church and state? Of course not, for the very idea of "the affairs of state" is built right into the word church. In early New England, and throughout the American 17th Century colonies, they did not improperly call their buildings with the steeple and the bell, often used for worship services, churches. They were called "meeting houses" and it was there that the "affairs of state" were openly discussed. Patrick Henry gave his stirring speech, "Give me liberty or give me death!" in such an assembly meeting in Richmond, Virginia. It was quite properly a church. Thus, a New Testament Church can only mean "an assembly of Jacob-Israel gathered to discuss the affairs of state." One of the Gifts of the Spirit, that all Christians are to have is the Gift of governments as set forth in I Corinthians 12:28. The proper word for the so-called churches today, where the "affairs of state" are never discussed, would be an assembly as set forth in James 2:2. There the word is sunogoge, or synagogue in English. I never attend synagogues. Please do not invite me to go to one.
--Nord William Davis, Jr
Don't worry, you and I are much less apart on this than many others might be. That said, I'm
not saying "the affairs of the state" aren't important, but my own view is; 1) the earthly kingdoms are going to fall, and in the meantime, they won't be changed by my struggling with them (and others) with "just" my human effort - and righteousness can't be legislated - it comes about as we seek God's face and HE brings it about according to His will, 2) they're not to be my primary focus, and 3) my focus is to be on God and trusting in Him more, yielding to relationship and obedience to Him - wherever and whatever He leads and empowers that to be. 4) I'm NOT saying do nothing, I'm just saying 1,2 and 3 apply to my understanding of it, and e) :laughing7: although as with most topics, much is allowed to a point, it's truly,
factually not a political forum :bigGrin: (the context being, "let's not haggle and argue about politics to the extreme point of primary focus and distraction").
I'm also open to the distinct possibility that some are called to be more involved in certain areas (including "state matters") than others. As my dear old blind aunt used to say, "as the Bible says, every tub will sit on its own bottom". (She had others.:) Personally, I speak up, have opinions, express them as I feel led. By His blessings, I have some measure of "earthly" protection for myself and my family. Yet I realize the only true safety is looking to Him and abiding in the shelter of His wings - no matter
what else happens around us.
As far as "church" and its purpose, and at least moderately responding to Mr. Davis' view, I guess one of the places I'd begin to indicate my own POV, is here; http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew2/D2-CirceDaughterOfTheSun.html
Blessings.
Quote from: sheila on January 18, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
Good Word,my brother
it was love and mercy that delivered me out of spiritual bondage to a very legalistic religious system of worship. the 'leaders' in the 'church' were very
hard-hearted,demanding and unkind/unloving to a sister I knew. the best I can understand is God sent me to Babylon,a spiritual prison house...
until I paid the last penny[due to my salvation by works/personal merit theology=self-righteousness] I was delivered from that when 'love' set me free
my love and compassion for a sister[little one] freed me. at that time my eyes were opened to their religious hypocrisy...thye lack of love evidenced to me
that 'THE TRUTH" was not in them...though they loudly declare it.
So true. It bothers me some that people are so afraid to let love and mercy rise up. They are so afraid that without control and condemnation things will just "go out of control" LOL. The truth is, "out of control" is better than legalism because you can get delivered from the sins of the flesh much easier than you can get delivered from false religion. I was a drug addict when Jesus rescued me as a young man. He had me cleaned up and whole again in a couple of years. Later, as I got "religion" and the ambition that goes with "churchianity", it took many beatings and 10 or 15 years of fire to get my head out of my......you know, that thing Balaam rode on as he prophesied for profit ;o)
GOD WILL SHARE HIS GLORY WITH NO MAN. His love is the only answer and His love is free, as is our mother, the heavenly Jerusalem, as are all the sons- who serve ONLY FOR LOVE. Not for sustenance(Esau). Not for security(Jeroboam). Not for power(Simon the Sorcerer). Not for esteem(Diotrophes). Only for the Love of God and the restoration of His creation. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THE GLORY WILL DWELL. That's where the tongues of fire rest, that's where the wind of the Spirit blows. The self righteous anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God, not even Moses could get lost in self righteous anger and get by with it.
I am thankful for every blow struck upon me by my Father, who has been faithful to preserve me from opportunities that appeared to be so good in my eyes but were just trips around the desert.
Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God, in due time He will lift you up.
After you have suffered for a little while, God Himself will confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
Satan has desired to sift you like wheat. Fear not, I have prayed for you........When you have been converted, strengthen the brethren.
The trouble is not all men are good. When there are no force or barriers, then evil people are let loose.
The scriptures say that Law and order are a terror for good works and that they are there for the ungodly.
I think the ungodly appreciate rules, because they know their own wicked ways and so are afraid of what others can do.
A bit like how gangster mobs, tend not to touch each other in a mad gun fight, because of the fear of the law.
Of course, but that is the way of the world. Among Christians, who are within the kingdom of God, there is another, higher law. This is the law of love, the liberty of the spirit, transformation into the (inner)image of Christ. As Paul said, against such there is no law. They are within "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"....staring intently into the "perfect law of liberty" and there is only love. Other "ways" simply bear witness against themselves that they are not of the spirit. Until one is born from above, seeing the perfection of grace and the freedom of the spirit, there is only religion, law and death, for the letter kills, only the Spirit gives life.
The spirit of the revelation in the true knowledge of God teaches this as fundamental living in Christ. The mind of man has another law, which is no law at all, merely more death, chaos and destruction.
Quote from: eaglesway on January 19, 2012, 01:24:31 AM
Quote from: sheila on January 18, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
Good Word,my brother
it was love and mercy that delivered me out of spiritual bondage to a very legalistic religious system of worship. the 'leaders' in the 'church' were very
hard-hearted,demanding and unkind/unloving to a sister I knew. the best I can understand is God sent me to Babylon,a spiritual prison house...
until I paid the last penny[due to my salvation by works/personal merit theology=self-righteousness] I was delivered from that when 'love' set me free
my love and compassion for a sister[little one] freed me. at that time my eyes were opened to their religious hypocrisy...thye lack of love evidenced to me
that 'THE TRUTH" was not in them...though they loudly declare it.
So true. It bothers me some that people are so afraid to let love and mercy rise up. They are so afraid that without control and condemnation things will just "go out of control" LOL. The truth is, "out of control" is better than legalism because you can get delivered from the sins of the flesh much easier than you can get delivered from false religion. I was a drug addict when Jesus rescued me as a young man. He had me cleaned up and whole again in a couple of years. Later, as I got "religion" and the ambition that goes with "churchianity", it took many beatings and 10 or 15 years of fire to get my head out of my......you know, that thing Balaam rode on as he prophesied for profit ;o)
GOD WILL SHARE HIS GLORY WITH NO MAN. His love is the only answer and His love is free, as is our mother, the heavenly Jerusalem, as are all the sons- who serve ONLY FOR LOVE. Not for sustenance(Esau). Not for security(Jeroboam). Not for power(Simon the Sorcerer). Not for esteem(Diotrophes). Only for the Love of God and the restoration of His creation. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THE GLORY WILL DWELL. That's where the tongues of fire rest, that's where the wind of the Spirit blows. The self righteous anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God, not even Moses could get lost in self righteous anger and get by with it.
I am thankful for every blow struck upon me by my Father, who has been faithful to preserve me from opportunities that appeared to be so good in my eyes but were just trips around the desert.
Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God, in due time He will lift you up.
After you have suffered for a little while, God Himself will confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
Satan has desired to sift you like wheat. Fear not, I have prayed for you........When you have been converted, strengthen the brethren.
:cloud9: Great post....to God be the glory. :thumbsup:
Luke 19:12-13
King James Version (KJV)
12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Quote from: jabcat on January 19, 2012, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: Molly on January 18, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 AM
I think you would find disagreement from Americans that there are no Americans. Probably as you might from Chinese that there are no Chinese, etc. :laughing7:
However, this isn't a political forum, so it's great you glory in the cross.
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor. 1:18 :thumbsup:
"This isn't a political forum"---What do you think of this:
The second word I want to address in this section is the word church. Christians suppose that this original Greek word meant some sort of assembly that is devoted to Christian worship, preaching, praying and prophesying. Some think it means an assembly, ekklesia, to have a warm Christian fellowship, singing and praising God, and so forth. If you will look up the word assembly in Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, you will again find the national intent of that word translated church. According to Vine's, a church is "a body of citizens gathered to discuss the affairs of state." When Jesus said, "I will build my church," He was saying that He would build an assembly that would be informed as to the affairs of state, that is, the proper use of government. During one of His church meetings, one of the disciples asked. "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" [Acts 1:61 Christ's answer was no in a round about way. I contend that the question would never have been asked if the preaching and teaching in the assembly, ekklesia, had not been about the affairs of state. So, can there really be a separation between the church and state? Of course not, for the very idea of "the affairs of state" is built right into the word church. In early New England, and throughout the American 17th Century colonies, they did not improperly call their buildings with the steeple and the bell, often used for worship services, churches. They were called "meeting houses" and it was there that the "affairs of state" were openly discussed. Patrick Henry gave his stirring speech, "Give me liberty or give me death!" in such an assembly meeting in Richmond, Virginia. It was quite properly a church. Thus, a New Testament Church can only mean "an assembly of Jacob-Israel gathered to discuss the affairs of state." One of the Gifts of the Spirit, that all Christians are to have is the Gift of governments as set forth in I Corinthians 12:28. The proper word for the so-called churches today, where the "affairs of state" are never discussed, would be an assembly as set forth in James 2:2. There the word is sunogoge, or synagogue in English. I never attend synagogues. Please do not invite me to go to one.
--Nord William Davis, Jr
Don't worry, you and I are much less apart on this than many others might be. That said, I'm not saying "the affairs of the state" aren't important, but my own view is; 1) the earthly kingdoms are going to fall, and in the meantime, they won't be changed by my struggling with them (and others) with "just" my human effort - and righteousness can't be legislated - it comes about as we seek God's face and HE brings it about according to His will, 2) they're not to be my primary focus, and 3) my focus is to be on God and trusting in Him more, yielding to relationship and obedience to Him - wherever and whatever He leads and empowers that to be. 4) I'm NOT saying do nothing, I'm just saying 1,2 and 3 apply to my understanding of it, and e) :laughing7: although as with most topics, much is allowed to a point, it's truly, factually not a political forum :bigGrin: (the context being, "let's not haggle and argue about politics to the extreme point of primary focus and distraction").
I'm also open to the distinct possibility that some are called to be more involved in certain areas (including "state matters") than others. As my dear old blind aunt used to say, "as the Bible says, every tub will sit on its own bottom". (She had others.:) Personally, I speak up, have opinions, express them as I feel led. By His blessings, I have some measure of "earthly" protection for myself and my family. Yet I realize the only true safety is looking to Him and abiding in the shelter of His wings - no matter what else happens around us.
As far as "church" and its purpose, and at least moderately responding to Mr. Davis' view, I guess one of the places I'd begin to indicate my own POV, is here; http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew2/D2-CirceDaughterOfTheSun.html
Blessings.
Just my :2c:. I believe that in America, believers should struggle for righteousness. I believe righteousness can be legislated, if we vote righteously. I don't believe it can be a "purely political" struggle- but as the salt of the earth, if we want to enjoy the freedom our national foundation stones have provided......We should struggle to maintain them> even when it appears to be a hopeless fight. Where else will hope be found, if not among us.
The problem is, how do we define righteousness? It is never easy, but it is worth the discussion, because we often find that people who disagree intensely about many things will often agree about certain core values if they are presented without sectarian leverage(political or religious).
For example;
Do you want to be free to speak your mind, even if that means others with whom you intensely disagree will also have that freedom?
Do you want your children to have the right to pursue life liberty and happiness, even if that means they must struggle with people who are doing the same thing, but oppose some of your basic principles of living?
Do you want your children, or your neighbors children, to be slaves of the state or some oligarchy?
These are all things we struggle for, in different ways, as citizens of the kingdom that is coming and will embody all of those good principles. Freedom, at this stage in time, is still very messy- but DEFINITELY to be preferred to totalitarianism, or fascism etc, etc. So even as I pray for the kingdom to come in me, to come in my community, to come in the Bride and to come on earth, I will work in all of those arenas, and encourage others to do the same.
If we, who have the mind of Christ, are unwilling to cry out for justice and equity and freedom, Who else will?
Speaking
just for myself, as a personal conviction, we can be salt and light in the world around us in many ways- most of them
not cloistered within the walls of mute church buildings. As a Christian, I serve my community in supporting a non-profit, non sectarian food distribution effort. I am supporting the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren in Congress.....she is just one voice against the corruption that is destroying our nation. I stood on the corner at Occupy Wall Street beside a baptist minister and people of a dozen other persuasions who all simply agreed that something ought to be done to stem the tide of corrupt corporate greed.
I am not saying ANYONE ELSE should do any of these particular things, but IMO this nation was raised up by God as a Cyrus to Israel and the Gospel.... and although God has disciplined, and may even judge this country for her sins, I consider it a PART OF my Christianity to speak out against inequity as well as speak FOR CHRIST, even as the prophets who were before me did. I do that in HOPE, not fatalism, and I will hope against hope until the ramparts have fallen and I am buried under them :o)
I only post this because I would prefer to see more Christians on the front-lines for the things that preserve us all and allow us to "live in peace with all men while freely declaring our faith". I for one will miss it when its gone, and for my children, and for my children's children, I will fight for it.
Again, I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I'm saying I don't believe "state affairs" should be our primary focus - although again, I believe some may be called to be more directly involved in those as their vocation and/or ministry.
Maybe it's a subtle distinction - if it even exists - but I question that true righteousness can be brought about by laws. It seems to me to be a matter of the heart, and one can be righteous and have the correct relationship with God, no matter what the laws are. On the other hand, all the right laws can be in place, and people still be evil, murderous (hate-filled), and very far from God (reference Iran - stoning for adultery, chopping off hands for stealing). It does get complicated, because I do believe the "right" laws should be in place, i.e., the killing of innocents outlawed, robbing and stealing carrying consequences, etc. I also believe we can honor Him with our government, laws, and behavior. It's just that (as I imagine most if not all of us here believe) in the end, the Lord God destroys kingdoms or heals the land; He kills and makes alive.
1The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee;
2Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion;
3Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah.
4Grant thee according to thine own heart, and fulfil all thy counsel.
5We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions.
6Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand.
7Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God.
8They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright.
9Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call. Psalm 20
Blessings, James.
Quote from: jabcat on January 19, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
Maybe it's a subtle distinction - if it even exists - but I question that true righteousness can be brought about by laws. It seems to me to be a matter of the heart, and one can be righteous and have the correct relationship with God, no matter what the laws are. On the other hand, all the right laws can be in place, and people still be evil, murderous (hate-filled), and very far from God (reference Iran - stoning for adultery, chopping off hands for stealing). It does get complicated, because I do believe the "right" laws should be in place, i.e., the killing of innocents outlawed, robbing and stealing carrying consequences, etc. I also believe we can honor Him with our government, laws, and behavior. It's just that (as I imagine most if not all of us here believe) in the end, the Lord God destroys kingdoms or heals the land; He kills and makes alive.
Thats where I come from. I agree with Eaglesway we should cry out against oppression. I agree with Molly that our republic is the most free form of government our world has seen. I unfortunately don't put any hope in our political process anymore. It seems to be a sham, and is nothing more than babylon. I would like to see us return to a constitutional republic, but even then, that will never change hearts. Like Sheila said, it may be the best thing for us is to live in true persecution, and I've always felt that was what would bring about the glorious bride even before i understood kingdom principles. I hate to say it but I would like the whole system to fail, and I have a feeling and have for a long time that the sons will be manifested in the midst of a worldwide collapse of society. :2c:
Good word. Much to consider.
Quote from: redhotmagma on January 19, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 19, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
Maybe it's a subtle distinction - if it even exists - but I question that true righteousness can be brought about by laws. It seems to me to be a matter of the heart, and one can be righteous and have the correct relationship with God, no matter what the laws are. On the other hand, all the right laws can be in place, and people still be evil, murderous (hate-filled), and very far from God (reference Iran - stoning for adultery, chopping off hands for stealing). It does get complicated, because I do believe the "right" laws should be in place, i.e., the killing of innocents outlawed, robbing and stealing carrying consequences, etc. I also believe we can honor Him with our government, laws, and behavior. It's just that (as I imagine most if not all of us here believe) in the end, the Lord God destroys kingdoms or heals the land; He kills and makes alive.
Thats where I come from. I agree with Eaglesway we should cry out against oppression. I agree with Molly that our republic is the most free form of government our world has seen. I unfortunately don't put any hope in our political process anymore. It seems to be a sham, and is nothing more than babylon. I would like to see us return to a constitutional republic, but even then, that will never change hearts. Like Sheila said, it may be the best thing for us is to live in true persecution, and I've always felt that was what would bring about the glorious bride even before i understood kingdom principles. I hate to say it but I would like the whole system to fail, and I have a feeling and have for a long time that the sons will be manifested in the midst of a worldwide collapse of society. :2c:
:cloud9: I think so too. I think that's exactly why collapse is eminent. It has to be totally black before you can see the stars. My :2c:
I,too,see the founders of America as a 'Cyrus' due to freedom of worship status allowed it's citizens. Many of those rights are in jeopardy,at present
Daniel 10 in the third year of Cyrus,a revelation was given to Daniel,it's message was true and it concerned a great war. 21 day delay for interpretation
Kings of the South and North.. Invader with power to destroy the beautiful land......king who exalts himself..and end times.
as for you,go your way til the end. You will rest,and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.
Cyrus helps the exiles return...Cyrus,Darius,Artaxeres= 3 kings from the east king of north,South and Cyrus.
Rev 3 unclean inspired expressions ch 16;13...the go out to the kings of the whole world,to gather them for the battle on the Great Day of God Almighty
10 Kings of the earth for one hour to give power and authority to beast..to make war against the Lamb
these prophecies are being fulfilled NOW
do you not see the kingdom of darkness reaction to the manchild being birthed in the heavens
Quote from: JabMaybe it's a subtle distinction - if it even exists - but I question that true righteousness can be brought about by laws.
As far as laws go, all we need is the ten commandments, the two Royal laws of Christ, and our little six page Constitution of the United States [the second most powerful book ever written].
That's it!
Otherwise, we find ourselves going down the road to ruin that we are going down today, and what Jesus so aptly described here:
4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
--Mat 23
Quote from: RHMLike Sheila said, it may be the best thing for us is to live in true persecution...
Couldn't you go somewhere else and live in persecution? There's tons of places to chose from... :laughing7:
For some reason, this is not my attitude at all.
My attitude is
fight, fight, against the dying of the light
there is an hour of trial,when the prince of this world comes..and no man can work. Daniel spoke of a dashing of the power of the Holy people.
Now, fight against the dying light, we all should as long as there is breath in us
He will keep us through the hour of trial[same hour 10 kings receive power and authority for]
Quote from: Molly on January 19, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: RHMLike Sheila said, it may be the best thing for us is to live in true persecution...
Couldn't you go somewhere else and live in persecution? There's tons of places to chose from... :laughing7:
Oh, you're bad! :angel4:
Quote from: redhotmagma on January 19, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: jabcat on January 19, 2012, 07:17:14 PM
Maybe it's a subtle distinction - if it even exists - but I question that true righteousness can be brought about by laws. It seems to me to be a matter of the heart, and one can be righteous and have the correct relationship with God, no matter what the laws are. On the other hand, all the right laws can be in place, and people still be evil, murderous (hate-filled), and very far from God (reference Iran - stoning for adultery, chopping off hands for stealing). It does get complicated, because I do believe the "right" laws should be in place, i.e., the killing of innocents outlawed, robbing and stealing carrying consequences, etc. I also believe we can honor Him with our government, laws, and behavior. It's just that (as I imagine most if not all of us here believe) in the end, the Lord God destroys kingdoms or heals the land; He kills and makes alive.
Thats where I come from. I agree with Eaglesway we should cry out against oppression. I agree with Molly that our republic is the most free form of government our world has seen. I unfortunately don't put any hope in our political process anymore. It seems to be a sham, and is nothing more than babylon. I would like to see us return to a constitutional republic, but even then, that will never change hearts. Like Sheila said, it may be the best thing for us is to live in true persecution, and I've always felt that was what would bring about the glorious bride even before i understood kingdom principles. I hate to say it but I would like the whole system to fail, and I have a feeling and have for a long time that the sons will be manifested in the midst of a worldwide collapse of society. :2c:
Their will be laws as long as man is in the process of reconciliation/restoration. The light that shone in the world through our laws have changed the laws of the whole world, or at least put them under scrutiny- largely do to the influence of the gospel here. I believe the sons of God walk in all aspects of life and are the reason why the world is moving forward in the light on any level. The United States did not just "come to be". Israel did not just "come to be". All of these things have developed as a part of the continuing administration of the ages. As long as we must (IMO we must) struggle against darkness, we ought to carry the torch of the kingdom of God. The problem, as I see it, is that we want to put a banner over it, a badge on our chest(I am a Christian), and just wait until the Lord comes to make them see. I just see a more proactive view expounded by the prophets. The first step in legislating righteous laws, is protecting freedom. The framers of the constitution understood that. Because of that, we have enjoyed two centuries of freedom previously unknown in the world - except during the righteous reigns in Israel. Because of that- no one here gets stoned or gets their hand chopped off. That is not "law". That is the chaos of anarchy functioning under a veil of totalitarian oppression.
We ought to have the ability to articulate such distinctions because we see them clearly. Our fore fathers did. Although it may be true that the sons will manifest more brightly after the collapse, and all governments will crumble before His at some point- THIS SHOULD NOT OCCUR BY DEFAULT. The prophets continued to prophesy no matter how iniquitous the rulers of Israel became. The Lord PLEADED through them. He REASONED through them- and yes, he even THREATENED through them- but His threats were ALWAYS INTENDED TO TURN THEIR HEARTS and were ACCOMPANIED BY CLEARLY ARTICULATED PROMISES. Jesus faced the unrighteous rulers in the streets ROUTINELY, and his disputes with them were not all, so-called "spiritual issues". He addressed every aspect of their corrupt government even as he articulated his government.
So, in my opinion we ought to do both, "Strengthen that which remains and is about to fall", so to speak. As one of the prophets said(Amos I think). "Woe unto you who say, "The Day of the Lord, The DAy of the Lord, For the Day of the Lord is like a man who runs from a lion and meets a bear, or leans against a wall(to rest) and a snake bites his arm."
Did the sons come forward when the czars fell? No, Lennin and Stalin murdered 30 million Russians. Did the sons come forward when the Nazi's rampaged? Where were the sons when the Tutsi's and the Hutu's were murdering one another? Are you so sure that the sons are poised to manifest over the next horizon of callamity? I am not, and even if I was, I would stand like a son and shine whatever light against it that I can.
There are critical times in the history of nations. This is a critical time in our history, obviously, but.... I would rather fall at some version of the Alamo for an ideal that has hope in it, than just sit around and debate scriptures with Christians who have not got the inspiration even to lay down their petty differences and stand together in love as family (just speaking in general, please -no one take offense). I think the sons are out there, making a difference, as well as in the closet, interceding for all who are in authority that we might live peacefully in the earth, as well as out in the highways and the bywys, inviting all they meet to the wedding feast. What can I say :o) I certainly don't believe in maintaining the status quo, I just see the present crisis as an opportunity to stand in the gap for people who are willing to give all for their posterity. I guess we all do that in different ways.
Dietrich Bonhoffer wrote one of my favorite books, "The Cost of Discipleship". He was executed by the Nazi's for assisting the underground and speaking out against Hitler. IMO most definitely a son :o)
Quote from: eaglesway on January 19, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
Of course, but that is the way of the world. Among Christians, who are within the kingdom of God, there is another, higher law. This is the law of love, the liberty of the spirit, transformation into the (inner)image of Christ. As Paul said, against such there is no law. They are within "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"....staring intently into the "perfect law of liberty" and there is only love. Other "ways" simply bear witness against themselves that they are not of the spirit. Until one is born from above, seeing the perfection of grace and the freedom of the spirit, there is only religion, law and death, for the letter kills, only the Spirit gives life.
The spirit of the revelation in the true knowledge of God teaches this as fundamental living in Christ. The mind of man has another law, which is no law at all, merely more death, chaos and destruction.
Yes, but the scriptures say when the righteous are in power the people rejoice.
Righteous people bring righteous laws. Although many have different interpretations of that.
I for example would like to see a different prison system, as currently thieves etc enter prison for a month, then are released and have worse characters than before, might be on drugs and have low morale, unable to have jobs, causing them to steal again.
But I'm also against luxury prisons, where life is better on the inside than outside and that is unfair on their victims, also no reason for them to leave.
Loved your post!!
I visit a beleivers underground site on you tube,you may like to check it out. There are internment camps prepared for guys like you,though,who go not
silently into the night. :HeartThrob:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 18, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Molly on January 17, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
Allegedly there were strange sounds all over the world last week.
This one from Conklin, Alberta ---well, what do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLNmdZTf_g
:cloud9: Interesting.....sounds like they figured out how to make that new "invisible particle" bigger and are trying it out on their latest secret weapon....no joke, read that about the particle a few weeks back from legit science reporting. :dontknow:
Particle? The God-particle?
Rebecca, do you remember where you read that? I searched on google couldn't find it. I had already read an explanation on beleivers underground,and want to
read about this one,too. a lot of 'weird' stuff going on. Love ya
Quote from: thinktank on January 19, 2012, 09:27:16 PM
Quote from: eaglesway on January 19, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
Of course, but that is the way of the world. Among Christians, who are within the kingdom of God, there is another, higher law. This is the law of love, the liberty of the spirit, transformation into the (inner)image of Christ. As Paul said, against such there is no law. They are within "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"....staring intently into the "perfect law of liberty" and there is only love. Other "ways" simply bear witness against themselves that they are not of the spirit. Until one is born from above, seeing the perfection of grace and the freedom of the spirit, there is only religion, law and death, for the letter kills, only the Spirit gives life.
The spirit of the revelation in the true knowledge of God teaches this as fundamental living in Christ. The mind of man has another law, which is no law at all, merely more death, chaos and destruction.
Yes, but the scriptures say when the righteous are in power the people rejoice.
Righteous people bring righteous laws. Although many have different interpretations of that.
I for example would like to see a different prison system, as currently thieves etc enter prison for a month, then are released and have worse characters than before, might be on drugs and have low morale, unable to have jobs, causing them to steal again.
But I'm also against luxury prisons, where life is better on the inside than outside and that is unfair on their victims, also no reason for them to leave.
Then I would say you should find someone working for that and support them. You are right about it in my opinion. I have done evangelistic work in the prison system, it is a disaster. This week, here in New York, a prison guard was sentenced to two years, because he allowed other inmates to beat a young man to death for refusing to participate in a fight club run secretly by said guard. The kid was 19 and in prison for one year for drug possession. We need to treat drug addicts, and root out major drug dealers. It would be cheaper. There is no other place where the corruption in our government is more aptly demonstrated than in the prison system. The law is for lawbreakers, but when lawmakers are the biggest lawbreakers, only salt, light and fire can help- IMO that requires both intercession and participation.
My point was that among Christians we have a higher law, and ought to walk by the spirit, in love. Maybe then the world would see some substance and some hope in our message- Wait, I think Jesus said something like that in John 13 :o)
"A new commandment(law) I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
(Joh 13:34-35)
As a personal note tho: we will not be able to fix the prison system as long as there is so much poverty and joblessness in among urban young people. So-called Christians will protest abortion (and I agree with that)- but they will not work to resolve the core problems causing their "hot button" issue in the first place- ecomonic disparity and joblessness. We claim to care about drug abuse, but we won't tackle the pharmeceutical companies for manufacturing excesses of Vicodin and Oxycodone(sold on the street leading young people into opiate addiction and finally heroin). Thats why we are seen as hypocrites and buffoons- Wait a minute! Maybe we are!
"Because of them the Way will be evil spoken of."
In my opinion Jesus , if he were here, would speak to all these things along with articulating and demonstrating the kingdom of God.
O Wait a minute! He is here!
In us.
Quote from: sheila on January 19, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
there is an hour of trial,when the prince of this world comes..and no man can work. Daniel spoke of a dashing of the power of the Holy people.
Now, fight against the dying light, we all should as long as there is breath in us
He will keep us through the hour of trial[same hour 10 kings receive power and authority for]
Amen, and let us therefore work, while it is yet day.
Does anyone think these kids who love the truth but reject all relgion are the Elect?
I know they would love Jesus if they met him.
PS how long is an hour?
1000 divided by 24 [hours in a day] is 41.66666 years.
The great awakening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jQXop_6RiU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jQXop_6RiU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ0J_HUsRaI&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ0J_HUsRaI&feature=player_embedded#!)
http://www.henrygeorge.org/mannahatta/ (http://www.henrygeorge.org/mannahatta/)
Molly,
I found some scriptures pertaining to Ephraim. He received the right hand blessing from Israel,though he was the younger in Genesis.48;20
Zechariah 10;7 The Ephramites will become like mighty men,and their hearts will be glad as with wine.Their children will see it and be joyful,
their hearts will rejoice in the Lord. I will signal for them and gather them in,surely I will redeem them,they will be as numerous as before,
though I scatter them among the peoples,yet in distant lands they will remember me.They and their children will survive,and they will return
read on.
Malachi 4;2 But for you who revere my name,the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in it's wings[no abomination on wings] and you will
go out and leap like calves released from the stall
Judas had charge of the money
John 13;21 After He had said this,Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified,'I tell you the truth,one of you is going to betray me"
One of them,the disciple whom Jesus loved,was reclining next to him........
as soon as Judas took the bread,Satan entered him....
Since Judas had charge of the money,some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the feast,or to give something to the poor
follow the money...body of Christ
May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
I would not boast, but maybe give more of a hint.
A parliamentary system is a more Godly form of democracy than a Republic.
The best deal a drug dealer can know about is the deal God made with himself.
God made a deal with himself through his son. That gives the drug dealer the best of the best. The deal was so good that no dealer in his rite mind would believe it. So God
kid napped the drug dealer and held him captive while the deal was being worked out.
Now we get to tell all the drug dealers. They already judged by God and they were found not guilty. Yes not guilty.
I have the hardest time getting them silly drug dealers to listen.
...ahh religion....the opium of the people
Awake O Sleeper, and Rise from the Dead......(deliverance from religious zombieism)
Quote from: sheila on January 19, 2012, 10:33:51 PM
Rebecca, do you remember where you read that? I searched on google couldn't find it. I had already read an explanation on beleivers underground,and want to
read about this one,too. a lot of 'weird' stuff going on. Love ya
:cloud9: It was on Yahoo news feed and I followed the link to a science page. They have created an invisble particle. Don't understand how it works, but what a weapon that could be to the military who salivate over having the next big thing..... :sigh:
I watched some of those films of Molly's link about the noises over all the world. Have any of them been caught on tape by legit news agencies or is all just bystanders? :dontknow:
Quote from: Cardinal on January 20, 2012, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: sheila on January 19, 2012, 10:33:51 PM
Rebecca, do you remember where you read that? I searched on google couldn't find it. I had already read an explanation on beleivers underground,and want to
read about this one,too. a lot of 'weird' stuff going on. Love ya
:cloud9: It was on Yahoo news feed and I followed the link to a science page. They have created an invisble particle. Don't understand how it works, but what a weapon that could be to the military who salivate over having the next big thing..... :sigh:
I watched some of those films of Molly's link about the noises over all the world. Have any of them been caught on tape by legit news agencies or is all just bystanders? :dontknow:
That's weird, you speak of noises, I just stumbled across such videos on the youtube by accident, I thought I might show you, but someone already has. The premise is that some undergroundbases have been destroyed, using ultrasonic weapons. I remember telling you sometime ago that God said through a prophet that he would deal with underground enemies, that their own weapons would fall upon themselves.
In that cases bases are destroyed worldwide right now.
Quote from: WhiteWings on January 21, 2012, 12:04:27 AM
In that cases bases are destroyed worldwide right now.
Reportedly so
Evert thing is going to be okay everything is just fine, relax.
That's easy for you to say you don't know or understand the pressure I'm under.
Listen it's going to be okay God Has personally revealed to me that
everything is going to be okay with you.
Well why doesn't God personally reveal it to me.
He has I was send here to tell you that everything is going to be okay.
Well I don't believe you.
That's okay God told me that things were going to be okay with you
whether you believed it or not.
Prove to me that God gave you a personnel revelation.
Well the revelation is available for all but most people miss it.
Unless someone comes to them in Love and tells them personally
about how much God loves them.
Unless some one tells them in Love, they can stare right at the
revelation and miss its power.
When the person the man of God told me about the revelation he put his hand on my head and said the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.
I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past. Now if I came to you and spoke in a strange language or tongue, what good would it do you , unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge that through him he reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
He also disarmed all powers and authorities, that have continually day and night put pressure on you. He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
The Cross when lifted up in Love has a power of revelation unlike anything you can think of. So powerful was it.
That every day after he laid hands more and more revelation flowed.
To the point where I could hardly imagine where this huge
Evangelical Christian American Radio Book and TV movement got its start.
Well now I' am resolved to go to individuals with personnel revelations.
You know you don't have to believe me.
But your free to believe that everything's okay if you want to.
gas lines run under ground everywhere in bc and alberta....I imagine this is one of them
Quote from: sheila on January 20, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
...ahh religion....the opium of the people
This, of course, was said by Karl Marx, and combined with eaglesway talking about class warfare, I am starting to get a little nervous that the precepts of communism which is making its big move in our country today are starting to look attractive to God's people. We all know historically the outcome of Communism, worse than any church you can imagine because it is godless and insists on being godless. It is brutal beyond comprehension. Hundreds of millions of people have died at its hands. Talk about doctrines of demons. What did Satan do in the garden? He didn't throw out all of God's words, he just tweeked them a little, in a bid to make himself god.
The same is true of communism [and fascism], it insinuates itself into what already exists, not inventing something new. It tweeks the meaning of God's words, making them of no effect. Did God really say....? Here is an exerpt from an interesting article:
Russian Orthodox Theology Flipped To CommunismIn an article written by another Russian, Arno Kolz 4, we see that national traditions were basic to Communist ideology:
Russian Orthodox religious teaching has always stressed cosmic over personal redemption. The duality of the City of man and the City of God was alien to Russian thought. God's immanence in history, as in nature, led to the conviction that the Eastern Orthodox Empire was to be transformed into the final heavenly kingdom. Thus, reliance on prophecy and a sense of historic mission, combining eschatology, and national aspirations are very old Russian traditions. It does not require too much intellectual or emotional adjustment to transfer this sense of mission into the Marxian framework, making the concept of the classless society the culmination of history. All the traditional elements are still present: universal, this -- worldly redemption, Russia's unique role and leadership, the attainment of an ideal society on Russian soil. Thus, Kruschev's boast, "We will bury you," had deeper roots than Communist ideology.
Similarly, in Russian tradition the Tsar was not merely wielder of the secular sword, leaving spiritual authority to the church and intellectual pursuits to academe but, as the "living icon of God," represented God's real presence in society and history. Today, the Russian Communist Party, through its leadership, claims to be the depository of all truth and to hold the key to the future. The "Party Line," as Orthodoxy before, consequently is infallible and ruthlessly enforced. Dissent is viewed at best as ignorance, at worst as treason. Education as encouragement for independent thought and judgment, as a search for truth and values, as stimulation for creative and humanitarian endeavors is, consequently, as lacking today as it was during much of Russia's history. Instead emphasis is placed on indoctrination, training requiring primarily automatic responses, and disciplines like the mathematical and most natural sciences, which rely heavily on application of learnt formulae.
Moreover, Tsarist autocracy was not primarily maintained by Cossack sabres and secret police, but much more significantly by the faith and loyalty of Orthodox believers. Similarly, the authority of the Communist Party rests primarily on the myth of its infallibility. Ironically, a bankrupt ideology must today serve as opiate of the people to keep the ruling clique in power. As a result, ideological indoctrination is continuing as a matter of high priority. How much the people believe their leaders is hard to determine, but it appears that a combination of devotion to their country and faith in the ultimate humanitarian claims of communism make the great majority of Russian people loyal supporters of the Soviet State. (Remember that this was written in 1968).
We can see in this how Communist thought derives from a distortion of God's Word. As man distorted God's revelation, and worked up governing theories, to control people through religion, they developed a system which Communists would later use. The Russian people have been taught for centuries that they were destined to rule the world. They were taught this by a church, which was in turn ruled by political power.5 How the world has suffered from the results.
http://davelivingston.com/opiate.htm
well then..'let the people eat cake"
Quote from: sheila on January 21, 2012, 03:41:57 AM
well then..'let the people eat cake"
That's the french revolution... :laughing7:
Man, that worked out badly, too.
It really makes you wonder...Can man govern other men without becoming tyrants themselves?
That is what is always so attractive about a free people who [in theory] govern themselves but always within the context of freedom and human rights.
God gave man dominion over the animals in Genesis, not over other men.
BUMP :bottlebump:
Quote from: CHB on January 12, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Hi All,
I don't know how many on here believe in the end time or have any idea of what will transpire leading up to the end time .......what do we look for?
CHB
A few buzz words tossed around;
the end of the world
the rapture
the tribulation
the next/new age
the anti-christ
the manifest sons
the end times
the second coming
the restoration
Molly;
My first comment was in reply to drugdealers post. Babylon made all drunk..majic-practising spell,cup of desolations.
the secound'let the people eat cake" was..when the rich rulers through waste and taxation gets to a place where the citizens
subjects are so impoverished and resentful of their corrupt opulence...some-one going to lose their head.
most likely a ruler who has no concept of the plight of the ordinary citizens.
that is all my comments are about. There has also been a history where ordinary citizens were 'accused" of communist
sympathies in our country to. That's the first 'accusation" out of their mouth,when people express their dis-satisfaction
with capitalism, the corruption,greed of the 'powers that be' in the republic. They seek their own gain,and not the benefit
of the people they serve. they 'feather' their own nest,pass laws that benefit themselves,seek interests of those that
cont'd 'contribute"= with tribute to their campaign. corrupt kings/rulers,corrupt/prophets/preists= Judas's=betrayers of the 'body'
of the people they 'say' they serve. Follow the money...whoever 'holds' the money bag..and is a liar and theif
we fight notagainst flesh and blood..but against corrupt principalities in HIGH places.
the whole world keeps saying...wake up,America!! the enemy has sown tares while we slept...at the very least.
He sends 'angels' forth..to gather the tares into bundles =exposing of corruption for it's destruction....
this 'grouping' togather of tares...will send out messengers,too'didn't I do thus and thus,Lord, and He will reply,'I know
you not" just like Cyrus did not know God.
It took Michael and Gabriel 21 Days to get the vision to Daniel....the Prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me.
soon I will return to fight against the Prince of Persia,and when I go,the Prince of Greece will come
No-one supports me against them,except Michael your Prince...Michael stand up.
these are all end time prophecies
Yes, well here's the rub. They did it. Snakes bite, that is their nature. They rattle first, to warn. It's only fair. Satan is fair. He gave fair waring. He did it,
but, we allowed it. We were given every gift, and if we had wanted more, God would have given it us.
But, we became lovers of the lie--that is the first thing we have to admit, if we are to overcome. We must become purified with the pain of truth.
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
--2 Thess 2
The citizens of America are given to great comfort afforded by there laws
enforced abroad and at home.
The officers reported this to the magistrates, and when they heard that Paul and Silas were Roman citizens, they were alarmed.
As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, "Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn't even been found guilty?"
The commander went to Paul and asked, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" "Yes, I am," he answered.
This man was seized by the Jews and they were about to kill him, but I came with my troops and rescued him, for I had learned that he is a Roman citizen.
Three days later he called together the local Jewish leaders. When they had assembled, Paul said to them: "My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors, I was arrested in Jerusalem and handed over to the Romans.
It was Roman solders who spit in the face of Christ and
mocked him with the Crown of thorns
:sigh:
Did anyone else have visions of tent cities before they happened?
I did. In 1999, I saw large groups of people living outside a major city, in an open rural area in tents.
I was awake at the time, but it was given to me as a waking dream.
These people are the canary in the coalmine, and nobody mentions them.
They are the result of the economic destruction created by a war they don't even know exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxKdDinkKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMeEi2aCfrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obho7uBg3-A&feature=related
Quote from: jabcat on January 21, 2012, 07:21:55 AM
BUMP :bottlebump:
Quote from: CHB on January 12, 2012, 04:02:43 PM
Hi All,
I don't know how many on here believe in the end time or have any idea of what will transpire leading up to the end time .......what do we look for?
CHB
A few buzz words tossed around;
the end of the world
the rapture
the tribulation
the next/new age
the anti-christ
the manifest sons
the end times
the second coming
the restoration
the restoration:
Will there be restoration, and peace when Christ returns, or after He returns? If before, what kind of restoration?
CHB
The restoration is already starting.
When pilgrim received the Good news about the Cross.
His after thoughts were those of one,
happy to be no longer destined to Eternal damnation.
As the holy spirit leads the man of God to preach the Cross.
The pilgrim receives the Good news.
His after thoughts are those of one you finds himself in
Love with Jesus . He is as happy as any man has ever been in Love.
Willing to embrace all aspects of true Love
Suffering for those whom the one you love suffers for.
Holding in love the ones that your lover holds.
Nurturing others simply because they are loved by the other.
This web site is a testament to that.
Quote from: dajomaco on January 22, 2012, 08:50:40 PM
The restoration is already starting.
When pilgrim received the Good news about the Cross.
Pilgrim?
Quote from: dajomaco
His after thoughts were those of one,
happy to be no longer destined to Eternal damnation.
Do you think he was destined for eternal damnation?
CHB
Quote from: Molly on January 22, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
Did anyone else have visions of tent cities before they happened?
I did. In 1999, I saw large groups of people living outside a major city, in an open rural area in tents.
I was awake at the time, but it was given to me as a waking dream.
These people are the canary in the coalmine, and nobody mentions them.
They are the result of the economic destruction created by a war they don't even know exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxKdDinkKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMeEi2aCfrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obho7uBg3-A&feature=related
Feast of tabernacles.....Wherever two or more of you gather in my name, there I am in the midst of you. Maybe the restoration will spring forth from cities such as these.... "The voice of one crying from the wilderness....."
Quote from: CHB on January 22, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: dajomaco on January 22, 2012, 08:50:40 PM
The restoration is already starting.
When pilgrim received the Good news about the Cross.
Pilgrim?
Quote from: dajomaco
His after thoughts were those of one,
happy to be no longer destined to Eternal damnation.
Do you think he was destined for eternal damnation?
CHB
The first time I actually believed the Good news.
The Good News was that if I believed in Jesus and became a Christian.
I would not be eternally tormented.
Then because I sort of believed and might not have believed properly
I was now making my self a candidate for even a more cruel eternal torment.
Now being a Christian and not believing properly was the worst thing.
I could no longer claim ignorance.
I thought it would have been better for me not to have known
about Jesus and all the rules about being a Christian
until my death bed that way
I wouldn't be able to screw things up.
When some one filled with love told me the Good news.
He laid hands on me I was full of courage able to address God directly.
I asked God how the hell could he call himself love.
Then he revealed to me he was Love.
Not through some airy fairy way
but through the Bible, of all things.
I am loved by Jesus, God loves Jesus and Jesus loves me.
I realized while studying the bible it was the holy sprite opening the word in love to me.
There is no eternal torment any one reading the Bible with the holy spirit knows that.
That's why I like this site.
Pilgrim= Me
I woke up this morning hearing the words--Look for the double blessing, I will bless your coming in and your going out.
13 And of Joseph he said,
"Blessed by the LORD be his land,
with the choicest gifts of heaven above,
and of the deep that crouches beneath,
14 with the choicest fruits of the sun
and the rich yield of the months,
15 with the finest produce of the ancient mountains
and the abundance of the everlasting hills,
16 with the best gifts of the earth and its fullness
and the favor of him who dwells in the bush.
May these rest on the head of Joseph,
on the pate of him who is prince among his brothers.
17 A firstborn bull[k]—he has majesty,
and his horns are the horns of a wild ox;
with them he shall gore the peoples,
all of them, to the ends of the earth;
they are the ten thousands of Ephraim,
and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
--Deut 33
k:Septuagint, Masoretic text His firstborn bull
Firstborn ox.
I'm the Alpha and Omega.
==> I'm the Alef and Tav
All ancient Hebrew letters had a little picture with an extra meaning.
Alpha=Alef=Ox
Tav=Cross
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LkJsXuBLOQg/TP6UU9PvwkI/AAAAAAAAAPA/NoNAVmBdS1M/s1600/Proto-Sinaitic_Table.gif)
Click for a larger picture (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LkJsXuBLOQg/TP6UU9PvwkI/AAAAAAAAAPA/NoNAVmBdS1M/s1600/Proto-Sinaitic_Table.gif)
Firstborn is the wild ox=the wild olive tree=the alef and the tav
Ephraim is my firstborn [Jer 31:9]
24Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church [ekklesia, called out ones]:
25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26Even the mystery [secret] which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory
--Col 1
Quote from: Molly on January 24, 2012, 01:01:41 PM
I woke up this morning hearing the words--Look for the double blessing, I will bless your coming in and your going out.
13 And of Joseph he said,
"Blessed by the LORD be his land,
with the choicest gifts of heaven above,
and of the deep that crouches beneath,
14 with the choicest fruits of the sun
and the rich yield of the months,
15 with the finest produce of the ancient mountains
and the abundance of the everlasting hills,
16 with the best gifts of the earth and its fullness
and the favor of him who dwells in the bush.
May these rest on the head of Joseph,
on the pate of him who is prince among his brothers.
17 A firstborn bull[k]—he has majesty,
and his horns are the horns of a wild ox;
with them he shall gore the peoples,
all of them, to the ends of the earth;
they are the ten thousands of Ephraim,
and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
--Deut 33
k:Septuagint, Masoretic text His firstborn bull
:cloud9: You're moving with the cloud, Molly..... :HeartThrob:
Double blessing = two breasts of one dove, they are entering in the Ark (Christ) now by 2's. He is "putting on" His High Priestly garments right now, the dove breasts are the white linen, the virgin souls, the garment of the Spirit of Christ, made white by the blood of the Lamb, ie. where TWO are gathered in His name/nature, there He is in the midst of them. The dove offering was not split, ie. let not what GOD hath joined be broken asunder. Blessings.....
The wedding supper of the Lamb, the union of the Bride and the Groom, a city made of living stones, fitly joined together, whose builder and maker is God, adorned in white linen "coming down out of the heavens"(manifesting on earth, revealed before men)
2 I sleep, but my heart is awake;
It is the voice of my beloved!
He knocks, saying,
" Open for me, my sister, my love,
My dove, my perfect one;
For my head is covered with dew,
My locks with the drops of the night."
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Great posts guys !! Mar 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.
Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
those tents as eaglesway says feasts of tabernacles is where the ONE SPIRIT and those in gathered into will declare the name of God in the earth and glorify His Holy name ...
those whom feet /teachings of Christ will shed the gospel of peace Christ even in troublesome times as the earth birth pangs bringing in the sons of God into glory
:HeartThrob:
Quote from: eaglesway on January 24, 2012, 08:15:11 PM
The wedding supper of the Lamb, the union of the Bride and the Groom, a city made of living stones, fitly joined together, whose builder and maker is God, adorned in white linen "coming down out of the heavens"(manifesting on earth, revealed before men)
2 I sleep, but my heart is awake;
It is the voice of my beloved!
He knocks, saying,
" Open for me, my sister, my love,
My dove, my perfect one;
For my head is covered with dew,
My locks with the drops of the night."
:cloud9: Wow Eaglesway......THAT IS EXACTLY the scripture He had me tearing apart today. Isn't God awesome? Thanks for the witness :HeartThrob: :thumbsup:
Such a rich field, I can only imagine the treasures you are finding :o)
Speaking of Doomsday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51Num5h7itk&feature=youtu.be
Then the angel who was speaking to me came forward and said to me,
"Look up and see what is appearing."
I asked, "What is it?"
He replied, "It is a basket." And he added,
"This is the iniquity] of the people throughout the land."
So this basket what does it represent? Why a basket and not a jar?
Then the cover of lead was raised, and there in the basket sat a woman!
So we can assume that all the iniquity of the people is represented by a woman.
He said, "This is wickedness," and he pushed her back into the basket
and pushed its lead cover down on it.
So wickedness is a woman?
Then I looked up—and there before me were two women,
with the wind in their wings! They had wings like those of a stork,
and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth.
Interestingly the carriers of the basket were not angels but were two women with wings.
"Where are they taking the basket?"
I asked the angel who was speaking to me.
It was an angel interpreting this vision for him.
So why not angels carrying the basket?
He replied, "To the country of Babylonia] to build a house for it.
So the two women with wings are going to Iraq to build a house for the basket.
When the house is ready, the basket will be set there in its place."
Who is building a new house in Iraq
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The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders,
and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
2 Thess 2:9-11
The lovers of the lie will believe the lie.
Quote from: Molly on January 28, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
The lovers of the lie will believe the lie."
Since time began.
Quote from: Molly on January 28, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous signs, lying wonders,
and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
2 Thess 2:9-11
The lovers of the lie will believe the lie.
and the LIE is Gen 3 ;4 ,
1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, 'You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die.'"
4
"No! You will not die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "In fact, God knows that when[a] you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Has any body seen any eagles flying over Bozrah
At the sound of their fall the earth will tremble;
their cry will resound to the Red Sea
Look! An eagle will soar and swoop down,
spreading its wings over Bozrah.
In that day the hearts of Edom's warriors
will be like the heart of a woman in labor.
William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, welcomed a suggestion from Russia
that it was "possible and necessary" to reach "consensus" over the Syria crisis,
following an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.
May-be the Un Security Council.
Could the screaming Eagles to help.
when looking at the name meanings , I wonder if its not the ''hidden manna Jesus gives us to help understand more clearer ?
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].
Bozrah
(From Easton's Bible Dictionary)
enclosure; fortress.
The city of Jobab, one of the early Edomite kings (Genesis 36:33). This place is mentioned by the prophets in later times (Isaiah 34:6; Jeremiah 49:13; Amos 1:12; Micah 2:12). Its modern representative is el-Busseireh. It lies in the mountain district of Petra, 20 miles to the south-east of the Dead Sea.
A Moabite city in the "plain country" (Jeremiah 48:24), i.e., on the high level down on the east of the Dead Sea. It is probably the modern Buzrah.
Hitchcock's Bible Names in tribulation or distress
Bozrah
(From International Standard Bible Encyclopedia)
boz'-ra (botsrah, "sheepfold"; Bosorrha, Bosor):
(1) The capital of Edom, a city of great antiquity (Genesis 36:33; I Chronicles 1:44; Isaiah 34:6; Isaiah 63:1; Jeremiah 49:13; Amos 1:12). It may be identical with Buceirah, which lies about 7 miles Southwest of Tufileh, on the main road to Petra.
(2) A city in Moab mentioned in Jeremiah 48:24. It is probably identical with Bezer, the city of refuge. It may be represented today by Qusur Bashair, which towers lie some 15 miles Southeast of Dibon. In this case Beth-gamul would be identical with Jemail, 8 miles East of Dibon, and Beth-meon with Ma'in, Southwest of Medebah.
W. Ewing
:HeartThrob:
Thank you Jesus!
I was just writing something.... maybe I'll put it up later, about the revelation of the Head and the body, the sheepfold and shepherds, etc. It was along these same lines.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
(Rom 12:1-6)
Overcome..........present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Be ye not conformed to this world
Hidden Manna.........be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God so that you may know what is the hope of your calling(conformed to the image of Christ/sonship), what is the riches of his inheritance in the saints(the promised land; fruitfulness;ministry of reconciliation), and what is the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believe. Hidden wisdom-if the principalities had known they would not have crucified the Lord of glory....A body thou hast prepared for me.
White Stone...........fitly joined to the chief cornerstone(tabernacle), placed as a son(keys to the kingdom), fruitful function(body ministry)
Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual(carnal) mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow(according to God's design NEB). (Col 2:18-19)
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, according to the effectual working of each individual part.
(Eph 4:11-16)
If we saw the opportunity to just "BE A PART", to be the MOST GLORIOUS PRIZE. To be a HUMBLE PART- the mark of the prize of the high call of God in Christ Jesus..... wouldnt it be wonderful? How we would speak the truth in love to one another, edify one another, forbear one another, forgive one another- all for the GLORIOUS OPPORTUNITY to see the Bride united with the Lamb, a city come down out of the heavens, made without hands, whose builder and maker is God, set on a hill, shining light into all the house.
I saw that the the way of Abel, an "acceptable" offering, is the narrow way that leads to life. It is the entrance into the sheepfold, "in Christ, the Door"-the way of humility and grace, "yielding", the "first key" to the kingdom.
I saw that the way of Cain, strange fire (mixture of self and service), an unacceptable offering- no hidden manna given, no white stone(you shall wander all the days of your life) "marked" (mark those that create factions among you and avoid them)
This the wide gate, leads to death(But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.)
I was seeing this all in the context of Jesus as Head over all things to the church, the fulness of him who fills ALL IN ALL, and how, if we truly loved the head, we would line up, just to be a member :o) connected to him. Just to be a stone, in a greater tabernacle of his building- and that this is overcoming.(But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.)
I think that the revelation of this glorious relationship of love between Jesus and his Bride and the City of Living Stones descending and the Wedding Supper(union of Bride and Lamb) is really more core to the maturing of sons than we know. The Head and the Members of his body, walking as the one new man(giant messenger of Rev 10).
Passing through the verses of Ephesians 4, I see
the courtship of the Bride and the Lamb.
Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
(Eph 4:1-3)
the marriage of the Bride and the Lamb.
being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
(Eph 4:3-6)
The wedding night of the Bride and the Lamb, leading to conception
speaking the truth in love....... If we don't speak the truth in love, there is no conception, therefore no fruitfulness leading to
the birth of the sons and daughters who are walking in the stature of Christ(Moses struck the rock, got some water, but also got locked out of the promised land) The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God. The faithful husbandman waits patiently for the harvest, for the early and latter rains...first the shoot, then the stalk, then the ear.(God is so good).
for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
(Eph 4:12-13)
The finished work of the body/bride/wife to raise up and send out sons and daughters to destroy the work of the adversaries and set the creation free from futility into the "glorious liberty of the sons of God"- which(IMO) is "koinonea en agape"(hope of our calling)
A nation born in a day, a manchild caught up to God's throne, "Rev 21:7 "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. ".
Be not conformed to this world, but be transformed, by the renewing of your mind.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
(Isa 2:2-4)
One thing I have asked of the Lord, that shall I also seek. That I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the dys of my life, to behold the beauty of the Lord, and to meditate in His temple.
:cloud9: Eaglesway, He's been speaking some of these same things to me......we are on the same page..... :HeartThrob: :thumbsup: Blessings....
wow ! thanks so much to you all , it helps!!
Blessings Bro Eaglesway for that message :HeartThrob:
Odd fact;
the first Apple (Macintosh) computer sold for $666.66.
Quote from: jabcat on June 11, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
Odd fact;
the first Apple (Macintosh) computer sold for $666.66.
My friend who is a big conspiracy guy says apple's logo is supposed to represent the fruit of the tokogae, that apple is satanic etc etc
11th September
- Adam born
- WTC planes (2001)
- Pentagon planes (2001)
- Pentagon construction starts (1941)
- Henry Hudson discovers Manhattan island (1609)
- Bush' Gulf War speech (1990)
- Olympic in Munich. First terrorist act. (1972)
- Siege of Fort Henry (1772)
- Peace conference (1776)
- American flag in the Battle of Brandywine (1777)
Where's my prophecy thread?
Does it get any more Ezekiel 38 than this?
Syria, Iran, Russia and China plan joint war games, Iranian news agency says
Largest exercise in Mideast history set to take place within a month; Syrian official denies report
By Gabe Fisher June 19, 2012, 1:11 pm 0
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-news-agency-reports-joint-syria-iran-russia-and-china-wargames/
Article says
90,000 troops
400 aircraft
1000 tanks
submarines and naval vessels
for 'war game joint maneuvers' in Syria
Syria=king of the north
38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
Quote from: Molly on June 19, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
Where's my prophecy thread?
It's armagedoned :-)
You might be able to recover it using Google cache.
i tried to find it through google, but no success...maybe someone else can
Quote from: Molly on June 19, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
Where's my prophecy thread?
Does it get any more Ezekiel 38 than this?
Syria, Iran, Russia and China plan joint war games, Iranian news agency says
Largest exercise in Mideast history set to take place within a month; Syrian official denies report
By Gabe Fisher June 19, 2012, 1:11 pm 0
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-news-agency-reports-joint-syria-iran-russia-and-china-wargames/
Article says
90,000 troops
400 aircraft
1000 tanks
submarines and naval vessels
for 'war game joint maneuvers' in Syria
Syria=king of the north
38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
Sounds like Goliath is getting ready to go out and shake his saber at David..... A big mistake.
Quote from: jabcat on June 20, 2012, 12:52:54 AM
i tried to find it through google, but no success...maybe someone else can
What is was the name of the thread?
Quote from: WhiteWings on June 20, 2012, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: jabcat on June 20, 2012, 12:52:54 AM
i tried to find it through google, but no success...maybe someone else can
What is was the name of the thread?
Prophecy.
I tried things like "prophecy tentmaker discussion forum molly"
Retrieving things from cache is quite cumbersome. Likely history is full of holes. I was able to find a few pages.
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well you did better than me :thumbsup:
hi! this is in response to the original post - "Doomsday 2012: The End of Days"
Lately I feel like fall of 2012 is a very important crossroads. I feel and am quite sure there are very strong and powerful forces at work to bring the U.S. into decline which will make the world a far less safe place, more dangerous than it is now (and by far).
- I am hoping that all of God's own know this and are and will be in deep prayer, not letting anything hinder our prayers, knowing that any work to be done in the world (and in our person too of course) needs to be done via the Spirit and not the flesh.
- - You wrote "I for one believe many things did come to pass in 70 AD." - - I do too! But like many others who like to study Bible prophecy I strongly believe prophecy is a repeating pattern and also is "parallel" with a more 'immediate' fulfillment in the day the prophesy is given and another in the culmination of human history.. the 'end' of the story (aka drama) when of course men's empires, works and creation falls ["she is fallen! fallen!" ($ity BabbleOn) Rev 18-long after ancient Babylon had fallen; and 20 years aFter 70A.D]. Now why would Jesus send a most important message and vision to His people (with lots of fanfare I might add) promising special blessings to those who "hear it" and "heed it" (1:3) and a curse to any who take away from it (22:19) if He did not intend for His people to read it, hear it and heed it???
- We can see the book of revelation very clearly around us!! I prayed earnestly for understanding the vision and prophecy and here's what came back to me, kind of like 'boom, boom, boom!' -- There are five main characters/villains if you will, like a pentagram, 5 -- ciTy babylon(#1) is the city/global economy which is coming about and seduces all 7 continents with her enchantments(greek word"pornos" and "sell"/ using said enchantments to sell) - The title "mystery babble"(#2) is all and any untrue thing, all error and untruth, we can tell there is the two, for this one is what is "responsible for all blood shed" (since Cain slew Abel) end rev 18, and is the foundation of ciTy BabbleOn. In Rev ch 13 there are TWO beasts, a world beast (or body(#3) verses 1-10, and a 'little' beast'(#4) verses11-18, this one being a "man" (or actually two horned office of, for we have "his number" vs 18; this office is the one which brought (a new) fire down (upon man) upon earth in the sight of man(vs13:13; think1945). And the "false prophet"(#5) is not either one of these TWO beasts (which is commonly assumed) but he is one who began as a man but now is a theory and hypothesis which has efficiently cleared the way.. "went before" KJ and gave the 'little' beast(2horned office) the capability of 1945 and of 666(atheistic science) - {rev19:20,aka 2th2:11} - and is "thrown 'alive' into the lake of fire along with the 1st beast, irony! neither of these are humans/living. The false prophet prepared the way for all these things of revelation/apocalypse/unveiling/collapse..
- The U.S. in prophesy also is easy to see, all of rev 12, manchild is Son of man(vs5, cr ps 2:9, and heb 1:3), devourer thru herod(vs4), later 2 migrations of the truth/woman(vs 6 after70a.d. & vs 12 & 13) the 2nd with wings of an eagle that she may sail, then 350years (3 & 1/2 modern times later, in seducer mode,a proliferation/flood, then drought(vs12:16, cr Lk 23:28 & 31)... and then back in dragon mode, turns attention more fully upon the other children of the woman "who have the commandments of God" and by now "the testimony of Jesus" cross ref "jerusalem, jerusalem" Jesus said "you will not see me again until you say "blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" and rev 16:14,15,16 (armies surround Jerusalem, which reminds us of how Jesus said "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.." Matthew ch 24.
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Quote from: jabcat on January 08, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on January 08, 2009, 06:50:12 PM
People do not like what I say, but I say, let the world end and good riddance to it, lets get it over with already.
:laugh2: :thumbsup:
Good comments everyone, thanks....the unveiling/the beginning...hmmmm...interesting :thumbsup:
--- amen! The New Beginning.. and the 1st quote, if it should happen in the days of our kids or grand kids hopefully we have heeded the signs Jesus gave that they may stay safe for the critical "ten days" of great tribulation, which follows 35 days of shortage(rev 13:17) Read and add the numbers - Daniel 12:11,12 (that is, so we can tell to them the clear signs)
One more note, there are 'locks' which hide the revelation vision "for many days", one being there are chapters which are inserts, much like the creation account of genesis 2 is an insert to the one of genesis 1. Roughly, Revelation chapters 11,12 and 13 are inserts to the revelation narrative..
Not 2012, but more "end of days" talk. Thoughts?
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/04/11/biblical-prophecy-claims-rapture-is-coming-april-23-numerologist-says.html
If only we had an astronomer here to confirm that...
A bit skeptical of that. We can only wait and see, but 99% sure it is false.
Quote from: jabcat on April 12, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
Not 2012, but more "end of days" talk. Thoughts?
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/04/11/biblical-prophecy-claims-rapture-is-coming-april-23-numerologist-says.html
I think all of these things will eventually lead up to the return of Christ but when, that is another question. :dsunny:
CHB
Quote from: jabcat on April 12, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
Not 2012, but more "end of days" talk. Thoughts?
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/04/11/biblical-prophecy-claims-rapture-is-coming-april-23-numerologist-says.html
I've heard a lot about the that.. The astronomy is likely true.. But That view of Revelation chapter 12, imo, is way off..
Oops my kids are here with supper.. We have a date.. In those famous words "I'll be back" as Rev 12 is one of my favorite Revelationtopics.. "A marvelous sign in the heavens, a woman about to give birth." ....A marvelous sign.. "a virgin will conceive".. aka, Israel.. w12 stars.. more in support.. .
Quote from: marie glen on April 13, 2018, 02:30:37 AM
Quote from: jabcat on April 12, 2018, 06:34:36 AM
Not 2012, but more "end of days" talk. Thoughts?
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/04/11/biblical-prophecy-claims-rapture-is-coming-april-23-numerologist-says.html
I've heard a lot about the that.. The astronomy is likely true.. But That view of Revelation chapter 12, imo, is way off..
Oops our kids are here with supper.. We have a date.. In those famous words "I'll be back" as Rev 12 is one of my favorite Revelation topics.. "A marvelous sign in the heavens, a woman about to give birth." ....A marvelous sign.. "a virgin will conceive".. aka, Israel.. w12 stars.. more in support.. .
The thing is.. we've put revelation in boxes.. preterist, futurist, historist, 7 years - it's not that simple. :laughing7:
Though this whole thing does sound intriguing - I read others references saying Jupiter was in the womb of Virgo for 9 months.. I wonder if that's true.. :Chinscratch: And the moon supposedly at Virgo's feet It is possible with any prophecy, can be repeating.. I do feel some 'urgency' sometimes from the Lord.. or so I think sometimes.. anybody else? Like things are coming down the tube.. surely - for what it's worth - doesn't hurt to have some #1, water on hand for loved ones.. and #2, some sort of food shelved/stored.. #3, some say thick plastic to coat your basement, ceiling and walls - remember the term acid rain? :dontknow: I know Rev says the sun nor heat shall not smite them.. but perhaps preparation may be part of the reason why..? I don't think it lasts as long as popular belief thinks - 45 days - Am I crazy? idk. Dan 12:11,12.. But.. sidetracked a little..
I do think there has been 'signs' on earth and in the heavens - the eclipses on Holy Days of Lev 23 does seem to be worthy of some attention.. but historically, these have occurred before and historical things did occur.. with Israel.. but christianity is also a part of Israel (?) I think there are quite a few things, according to prophecy, which are to occur before the Lord's return.. like a more definite world governing, for one thing.. and war in the middle east? not THE war/Amageddon, which I believe is concurrent with His return..
The apocalyptic part of Revelation begins at chapter 6 - which I believe the rider of a white horse conquering and going forth to continue conquering is the gospel. Each seal continues to the 'end', they are described as their beginning and also as their fullness of progression (ride/gallop) at the 'end'. Obscures much.
Another way the book is delayed as to its clarity is by "inserts" and some switching of scenes.
Revelation 12 is one of the inserts, imo. A total history of the faith on Earth. This chapter is exciting, because of what's in it. As to history. [I love history, the human story.] See if you can find
Herod the Great...
the inquisitions..
the Mayflower.. (how do prophecy scholars miss all this? ...the inquisitions.. I'll try not to put glaring arrows :laughing7: but i may not be successful.
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Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV)
12 And there appeared
a great wonder in heaven;
a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of
twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. - adversarial power
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. - I always want to ask prophecy buffs - "does this ring a bell?" -
to devour her child as soon as it was born5 And she brought forth a man child [[Son of man]] surely
? who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (singular here, not plural) was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Only One has ascended and I don't think we ascend .. ascended masters.. all that.. very prominent in other faiths.)
Plural - and he who is overcoming, and who is keeping unto the end my works, I will give to him authority over the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken in pieces--just as I also have received from My Father. Rev 2:26,27
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [70 a.d. the mantle of the faith now worn by christians] where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. {Here, imo, years.. To the 'Enlightenment'/Age of Reason/the Neo-Classical Era}
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; [and now was] neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 So the great dragon [now] was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."
The Woman [imo, the faith] Persecuted
13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.Christians are grafted into Israel.. so is also Israel.. imo of course
14
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might
fly (sail?) into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time [imo, 3.5 centuries] from the presence of the serpent.
15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. (To wash the faith off the face of the Earth.)
16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. [futurist from here :laughing7: ]
17 And the dragon was
enraged with the woman, and he went
to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and (by this time?) have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (The gathering to Armageddon - Rev 16:14,
15,16)
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Behold, your house is left to you desolate! For I say to you,
you will not see Me again until you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD.P.S. I never studied with others.. I prayed to understand.. The way Christianity shares its views and doctrines.. hasn't made me think I should rethink it, just because other ideas are prevalent.. :dontknow:
:thumbsup: ml, chb, mg..interesting, pertinent comments.
my :2c:regarding this date setting....1s tthe people who do it are found to not believe Jesus word's'no-one knows that day or hour.Man trusting over trusting the
word of God always leads to disappointment.I suppose it is our weak human nature...but expectation postponed makes the heartsick..andpeople's hope dashed time and
again by such things is goodfor no-one. that being said, most 'sense'we are living in the finalend days. whoknows..maybe Father is allowingit tohumble the one setting the date
and teach those who are man-followers thatitis best to believeHisson..andHis'word' on things.
..buta day andhour we donotthink it..He will come'suddenly' to His temple[yourbody]
Somebody will make a lot of money off this, then when it doesnt happen, they will disappear :laugh:
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With regard to the original post, I suppose that it might be considered a little ignorant not to give some attention to such a convergence of supposed Doomsday predictions or prophesies. That is, unless one has come to the conclusion beforehand that there is no point in wasting good time speculating on such predictions.
As for me personally, there are a number of reasons I give little time to such speculations. One of those reasons is to do with what has happened to me over these latter years regarding the way I experience time: a contradiction in terms because nothing actually happens to the real you, you just become more and more released from the prison house until the swirling mass of change all around is viewed like clouds coming and going – but the Sun has always been shining. For the real me, the only real time is now: again a contradiction in terms because the now does not conform to time.
Deep "within" is the witness (graciously granted by Divinity out of Himself) which does not change with time, but only gets surrounded by concepts, ideas and events which can obfuscate the real witness and make it appear as the body. For me, it does not make sense to think of tomorrow, or even the past, because it is all now and it never changes from now, it is just one constant, unbroken existence.
Yes, the body ages but the inner being does not age. Yes, to communicate with others then the tool of the mind, now seen for what it is, reciprocates using the common notion of time; but living in the here-and-now means that speculating on some type of future apocalyptic-type event is living in the mental sphere, meaningless, a distraction from "What Is", and, in my opinion, a blurring of the simple message of Christ and indeed of the Person of Jesus Christ. Personally, I "let tomorrow take care of itself", so to speak.
As someone who believes in the consistently loving Divine Nature of the unchanging and eternal Supreme God of all, and also as someone who has had both an unshakable intellectual and experiential belief in the continuity of life throughout adulthood (I understand many on the Tentmaker forum do not associate with this), and, because of this, as someone brought to the feet of Jesus the Christ as the Answer to all questions concerning the Earth life – then naturally my viewpoint on the book of Revelation would be in harmony with these beliefs, i.e. my opinion.
There are as many opinions of the book of Revelation as there are individual souls. Someone will always be able to find in the pages of the Sacred Record, what it is they wish to find as it mirrors what is in the mind. It is a large, rich book, and if someone is determined to find their truth then they will find it. After all, even a stopped clock will be very correct twice in every 24 hour period.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
It is stated at the beginning of the book of Revelation that the book is: "A revelation of* Jesus Christ (Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ)" (Rev 1:1).
* Here the word "of" can mean that the revelation is both by Jesus Christ and it is about the unveiling of Jesus Christ from the existing scriptures – and I believe it means both.
It is also stated that this message is "signified"*.
* (ἐσήμανεν) [Noun: the meaning or idea expressed by a sign or symbol, as distinct from the physical form in which it is expressed];
It is proposed that the book of Revelation is expressed using the signified poetic language of the Bible (in the main, the Old Testament) in order to reveal Jesus Christ Himself to a particular people at a particular time, namely, the early generation of Christians, many of whom were heavily steeped in Judaic culture.
In my opinion, the purpose of the book of Revelation was never meant to be interpreted by the minds of modern-day Christians as some type of end-times prophecy – I do not believe that this was the intention of Jesus Christ.
This signification of Himself - Jesus Christ - in the book of Revelation, was to many who were firmly established in the symbolic and apocalyptic language of the Old Testament scriptures before becoming followers of Jesus Christ – i.e. those who were persecuted and who suffered great tribulation. John specialised in communicating with those of the "circumcision" (Gal.2:9), and the book of Revelation would be understood in the unmistakable form of sacred language by those whose spiritual life was thoroughly acquainted with the Judaic symbolism of their scriptures - whether born into the culture or having converted to it.
The symbology used is not created anew but is reused symbology from the Bible itself. The book of Revelation shows that Jesus Christ was and is the culmination of the Old Testament by drawing parallels from it. It is that simple, there is no need to overdraw or complicate this simplicity.
The following link is a certain potted theme by a reformed futurist, if you will, which makes perfect sense of the book of Revelation in my opinion, and while I don't agree with a couple of the statements made on this web page, I believe that the overall sentiment is correct...
https://mikeblume.com/symbrev.htm
As an example, these parallels are drawn between the book of Ezekiel and the book of Revelation...
1. THRONE VISION - (Rev 4./Ezek 1).
2. THE BOOK (Rev 5/Ezek 2-3)
3. THE PLAGUES (Rev 6:1-8/Ezek 5).
4. Slain Beneath the Altar (Rev. 6:9-11/Ezek. 6)
5. WRATH OF GOD (Rev 6:12-17/Ezek 7).
6. SEAL ON SAINTS' FOREHEADS (Rev 7/Ezek 9)
7. COALS FROM ALTAR (Rev. 8/Ezek 10).
8. NO MORE DELAY (Rev. 10:1-7/Ezek 12).
9. EATING THE BOOK (Rev 10:8-11/Ezek. 2)
11. MEASURING THE TEMPLE (Rev. 11:1-2/Ezek. 40-43)
11. JERUSALEM AND SODOM (Rev. 11:8/Ezek 16)
12. CUP OF WRATH (Rev. 14/Ezek. 23).
13. VINE OF THE LAND (Rev. 14:18-20/Ezek 15)
14. GREAT HARLOT (Rev 17-18/Ezek. 16, 23).
15. LAMENT OVER THE CITY (Rev. 18/Ezek 27)
16. SCAVENGER'S FEAST (Rev. 19/Ezek 39)
17. FIRST RESURRECTION (Rev 20:4-6/Ezek 37).
18 BATTLE WITH GOG AND MAGOG (Rev. 20:7-9/Ezek 38-39)
19. NEW JERUSALEM (Rev 21/Ezek 40-48)
20. RIVER OF LIFE (Rev 22/Ezek 47)
Again, I do not agree with every doctrinal statement on the following website but here is one sensible explanation of the "Lake of Fire" (i.e. fires that destroyed Jerusalem) and its connection with Judaic scripture, which deals logically and scripturally with the apocalyptically-described "death" (i.e. Law system), "devil" (i.e. false accuser), "dogs" (i.e. evil doers) and missing names (i.e. Jewish book of life)...
https://www.anewdaydawning.com/blog-1/2017/2/3/what-was-the-lake-of-fire
Personally, I am satisfied with the revealing of the Person of Jesus Christ in the book of Revelation as it stands without adding anything to the Message of the book – it is His testimony (1), indeed, He said that He had come to fulfil the law, and furthermore He fulfilled everything that was before - in Himself, in His Person (2). And so His testimony is Himself expressed in the Biblical symbology of Revelation: Jesus Christ – both the fulfilment of the Biblical past and the completed work of the Saviour of the world.
Testimony – noun:
(1) Spoken or written statement that something is true.
(2) Evidence testifying to something
And that is, in my opinion, the signified Message of the book of Revelation: Simply Jesus, the long-awaited Christ of God, the Messiah, the Saviour of the world, the Redeemer. One can almost hear the thoughts of the writer, if I may perhaps paraphrase: "He has come, it was He in the flesh, can you see, can you see, have faith, be strong, face every tribulation and overcome it steadfastly and with purity, have no fear, you are already saved, He has fulfilled every prophesy for your comfort, He who came to take away your sins. Believe His Promise that you will never, ever see death, be joyous in your troubles, knowing that nothing can harm you, nothing, see the power of the Christ, see His Love, see His overseeing and all-knowing care!".
I mentioned a certain blurring of the understanding of the Love of God both through the cessation of the continuity of life, or through the anticipation of a future apocalyptical-type event. This does not mean that there is no individual judgement - from that nobody is exempt - but I believe that judgement is a set of judgements on all of life which is brought to mind at passing, and the measure will be against the life of Jesus Himself. So my opinion is: Be wise and study the life of Christ, first, middle and last.
The subject of the continuity of life through the love and grace of Christ through whom all beings have been made, where the physical world itself becomes increasingly spiritualised as the sons of God become more manifest through contact with the Spirit and thus gain more control over physical nature, and also, simultaneously to this, where souls leave the physical body and become increasingly spiritualised once having performed their duty in the body according to the way laid down by Christ but now "living according to God in the Spirit", is both straightforward, loving, and in perfect harmony with the unchanging consistent God, compared to ideas where a child of God is disappears somewhere temporarily or is half-conscious under the earth for a designated period of time until some far distant "judgement" - and all the goings-on associated with such doctrines, whether they embody a temporary or eternal state.
I think to myself: What father has not hurried home from work to catch the innocent laughter of his child and to hear the joyful cry of "Daddy" as he walks in the door? What mother has not felt the unbearable tug of pain when her child has been seriously hospitalised for a while and has felt the overwhelming relief when her child is well enough to grace the home once more? What! Then which parent would dream of putting their child into a comatose state for many years out of "love", in order to carry out some erratic and nonsensical plan to better their life?
I think once more to myself: What of the Parent of us all? When the child turns their heart upward towards Him, and His great Heart burns with unbounded joy and relief that, at last, He is being given the love from His child that He has waited for over time unthinkable to the human mind. What! Is it like Love then to send that child into some kind of mindless torpor where the desirous love of His child towards a yearning Father ceases for centuries in order to allow more evil into the world than is already there as a plan of redemption – or some such variation?
Knowledge of the continuity of life brings immediate solace to those who have hitherto gone mourning for their loved ones through lack of explanation, is not a new message, no, it is the original Message of Christ, the Gospel of Love and Light; it is His appearance as man in the flesh and the demonstration of His reappearance after death for the salvation of all, for the healing of all – it is the old Christ Message afresh, renewed, and brought to mind.
I think again to myself: Yes, Love is the Instructor, Christ is the Instructor, God is the Instructor. And in experiential terms, I see all three as One and inseparable – and it is the loving Master, Jesus the Christ, who is the Answer to it all, including the book of Revelation.
These are my opinions.
Peace in Him.
Quote from: chuckt on January 08, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
greetings.
For me:
any type end time senerio men come up with will NOT be how it happens, thats just the way God works.
peace
chuckt
Indeed. :thumbsup:
As my bro P. Eby so eloquently puts it:
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev1.htm
One misconception shared by some is that the Revelation has nothing of importance to say to us. It's considered to be merely a bizarre piece of first-century writing with no relevance for today.
Another wrong idea is that the Revelation is a code book describing a specific outline of history written in advance.
Countless interpreters have tried to "decode" the book from a historical perspective to find all the major world events of the past 1900 years. Others interpret it more literally as a handbook for predicting the cataclysmic events that will bring the final wrath of God and the end of the world.
The claims of Christian groups from the early church to the present — that the Revelation pinpoints the events, personalities, and time periods of "the end" — have all failed. This should be a caution to believers for using the book of Revelation as a predictive handbook.
Other people's interpretation of the book of Revelation is based on the "Pan Theory" — it's all going to pan out in the end! Beloved brethren, the fact is, it's not panning out the way the end-time prognosticators are projecting!
Through the years I have ministered the Word in Bible studies, seminars, and church services of various types. When there has been a question and answer session, or when opportunity was granted for people to request teaching along a particular line, the most often requested subject has been — THE BOOK OF REVELATION!
I have met people who were babes in Christ, carnal Christians whose lives were a mess, they had incredible problems and needs, including deliverance, and instead of prayer or counsel or messages that would help them overcome and grow up in Christ, they wanted me to teach them the book of Revelation! "Yeah, brother, that's for me, lay it on me, I want the book of Revelation!..................
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http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/lb/LB1.htm
"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads the names of blasphemy. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:1,8).
According to the Emphatic Diaglott the correct rendering of the latter part of this passage is: "The Book of the Life of the Lamb." Now, what is meant by this term – THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB? The wise man said,
"...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).
The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order. However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.
But God is also producing a book – a book containing a message of life. For the past two millenniums God, by His Holy Spirit, has been writing portions of this Book in the minds and hearts of His people........................
Well, 10 years later....
Any thoughts on a purported recent alliance (or strengthening of) between Russia, Iran, and Turkey?