Hi! ..it's my opinion we are in a very important, and pivotal, pause, and I'm writing about it because I think the pause might be broken (soon?) (Of course I think it has been "soon" many times before, but the angels have done battle concerning it!)
It's my opinion man's splitting of the atom is in the book of revelation.. being a huge thing! (And in Ezekiel)
It's not seen in the Bk of Rev!! (imo) Because, the seals are described as a blend:
- ONE - what they are at their veRy beginning and
- TWO - what they are at their veRy end (this confuses the vision very well! "selah"!)
Seal 6 (Rev 6:12-17) causes a great spiritual earthquake, being (imo) one of the greatest changes of modern day- the splitting of God's atom - when we read it (rev 6:12-17)...remember bomb shelters? i.e., ONE - at the seals veRy beginning
Rev 7:1 - four angels stand at the four corners of the earth holding back the (new) wind, that it not harm trees, etc.. whiLe 144,000 of Israel come to the faith.. ("are sealed on their foreheads")
I believe we are in that holding back, as a pause of thermo-nuclear/split atom warfare.
When the pause (of the split atom warfare) ends.. albeit (imo) limited at that time, that is when SEAL 7 is broken open and 7 angels line up with 7 trumpets, including the last trump(et)
In summary, it's obvious, even w/o Bible prophecy, that when atomic (thermo-nuclear) warfare is used somewhere in the world (as warfare) is when things of the world escalate.
But what is not obvious, is how this is pinpointed and pointed out, in the Bible's Book of Revelation.
..(imo) The next use of thermo-nuclear warfare somewhere in the world, is the breaking open of the 7th seal, and is an escalation(?)
This is interesting to me Marie
and never thought of how much it does effect everyone since !
very much so
Well been studying Rev the 7's 7 churches7 Spirits 7Vials 7trumpets ,7 seals off and on for many years
and am shocked at the different perspectives
one of the things that has me thinking alot about the great Euphrates drying up for the preparing the kings of the east ...
I have to go there with a grain of salt because of the deep and vastness of it all
God is really awesome !
Bless you sis for sharing this :girlheart:
Hello Marie. There is a time of pause or SILENCE IN HEAVEN mentioned in Revelation. It is a time when things of the earth are not hurt. It is a time when the truth of God is being SEALED {established} in the people of God.
Also, the war that is pictured in Revelation as being Armageddon is really God's war, mentioning that God draws them to this war. It is a war that will spiritually produce Jesus Christ as the Lord in the earth, through multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision. A time of receiving God's wisdom about ourselves and about God but only as we all begin to become His mature son. It is GOD that draws them to this battle, not men or man's ways.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
During "this battle" the nakedness will be apparent to the "naked", which is all of us at this moment. Recall, the parable of Adam and Eve in the garden being naked and not aware of it. They were not "clothed" with Christ and had not ever eaten of the tree of life yet... the way, the truth, and the life.
God is coming in now to bring forth Jesus Christ in many people as the savior OF THE WORLD. As always, God's working is GOOD NEWS, not a spirit of fear. But that does not mean many troublesome things may still appear but the end is certain, Jesus will be in existence in many as Lord.
God bless
:cloud9: IMO, nuclear anything doesn't have a thing to do with it for this reason. Someone has to push a button to start it. That means someone flesh is running the show as to God's timetable, and God's seal being opened. I don't think flesh has a thing to do with it. My :2c: Blessings....
Jer_30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see
***EVERY*** man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail,
and ***ALL*** faces are turned into paleness?
Ken
I sent this message to various of your newspapers on Easter Thursday asking for quotes for notice...
Given at 15 Nightingale Square, London, SW12, on Sunday, 13th March, 1927.
"...I speak to the preachers and the guardians, I speak to the healers and to all who have the ear of the people, those to whom the masses turn for knowledge and instruction, and I say to them:
Do your part now before it is too late. Prepare the minds of the uninformed for that stage which lies beyond the Physical; for many - so unprepared, so chained to the things of the earth, so wedded to the material, to the acquirement of this and the hoarding of that - many pass out into an imprisonment, into a confinement most terrible to behold.
And those who were older and wiser - the guardians, the instructors upon the earth - these suffer ten thousand times the pangs of a mother giving physical birth; for they know that had they done their part, had they had the courage to learn so that they might teach, then those newcomers into fresh conditions would have found themselves upright and strong and beautiful, instead of maimed and awful to gaze upon because of the marks of their thoughts, of their past, upon that soul body in which they find themselves after physical death..."
In His Peace and His Love.
Very well intended and a good word. But one can not teach and share what they do not know or understand because they do not believe it the way it is meant. We understand that scripture tells us that we can not be gathered to the day of Christ UNTIL or before the man of sin {carnal natured ADAM's beliefs and teachings} are seen or known to be incorrect BY US. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 - 4.
Many here who do not believe God will put people in hell forever are already starting to become free from SOME of those teachings that are of the natural physically oriented immature mankind. Many warring Generals and leaders of armies and governments have done these type of works against their own people and it is natural for man to think God is also going to do things like man does. Not so.
They do not know the truth well enough because the scripture has been interpreted and understood for all of time by the carnal natured literal mind of natural physical literal man. Man has understood God and scripture according to his own existence in the world and his own ways in the world, saying and thinking he was already in the image of God when he is not.
Until we see our errors we can not be gathered to the day of Christ. ONLY the SON knows the Father. Only the FATHER can raise the son, man can not. Even Jesus in Israel could not do it. IT can not be done from OUTSIDE OF A PERSON.
thanks, Donken
Indeed, it will not be understood by many who should teach - they have built their own truth firmly, so they will not benefit and shall remain in the same place, as it were - they will be bypassed in order to bring more Light. The Light must displace the darkness. Not comprehending something does not change the reality it professes. When it is spoken by the Power of the Holy Spirit and ordained by Christ, then it will do His Will and it will remain true regardless of doctrines of the mind.
In His Peace and His Love.
I thought I should add some information to this subject so as to perhaps make a little more sense.
I have the added advantage of having seen God perform miracles through Christ, and therefore I know of what I speak rather than myself speaking from theory. But who should believe such a thing who has not witnessed it?
Miracles performed by God in Christ's Name are full of vitality - spiritual.
The miracles that I want to attempt to explain are those which affect a group of people - a mixed society. When God's Spirit, in Christ's Name, descends on a people through Spirit Communion (even those who do not know it is a reality) the Spirit is either recognised straight away, and sometimes it waits until the person recognises it and then they join in with the joy of the miracle. It is an amazing wonder. A miracle in Christ. A miracle of spiritual life integrating in society. I have seen it and live in the middle of it. It will be there tomorrow too and the next day. It is the Light that shall remove the darkness, even if by degree.
This is ordinary people of which I speak, going about their daily ways, becoming informed about the reality of evil and the reality of Jesus the Christ. These people are also God's children in spite of the theories man has come up with, and they are yeast for those awaiting awakening, as it were. They can be invigorated, renewed, they become enlivened with newness of the joy of life and thank Christ for it.
And it is God that does it - He organises everything through His willing tools. The tools do not know what God is doing but it works out perfectly because the tools had faith in Him through Christ. I speak from the position of personal amazement of how I have been used a number of times before even knowing the perfect planning that He has performed. This is the future of the world as seeds are planted in His Name. It includes realisation of Christ and spiritual life.
At first it is little lights from candles here and there, then as they travel in area and grow, they become a mighty Light. Then, as one might say, Zion is awakened, clothed with strength, wearing garments of splendour, Jerusalem, the holy city, worthy of Christ the Lord.
I will not say more. If this is not accepted then so be it. Thank you.
In His Peace and His Love.
Yes. This also will continue for the whole existence of the creation which is to become the real garden of God. Isaiah 65:17 speaks of the new heaven and the new earth. It is this planet and in that new earth there is still children being born. But they will no longer die as infants. There will also still be children, sinners, and old men who must serve their purpose. The child is said to die at 100 years old and at the same time the sinner is cursed. This simply means that the child becomes mature and therefore the "immaturity" he once dwelt with and in is now "dead" or "cursed" or no more for "that person". The child perishes to adulthood or maturity yet the same person still lives.
This is like the words of scripture that say I am dead with Christ. {A human child is dead or not yet an adult, so the mature adult he will be is dead with the promise of being an adult a future promise, and yet the child lives. But it is not really the child who lives {for he will die or perish to maturity} but it is the ADULT he will be that is really living there {in the body}.
This is the explanation of Paul's statement, I am dead with Christ, yet I live, but not I, but Christ liveth IN ME.
God's work with mankind as a whole being is to destroy immaturity by maturity, to destroy ignorance by establishing His own wisdom where the ignorance once ruled, and to establish His SPirit {love} in holiness as who the person is, replacing the child that is childish in that manner.
In Isaiah 65 it also says that the SERPENTS MEAT will STILL BE DUST. That is how we can understand this is to take place here in the world. Then, of the increase of His Kingdom there will be no end and no more war or infirmity ruling in it. Why. Because we will have suffered all the diseases and wars and evil things we do and that happen in the creation until they were ALL PUT UNDER the feet or walk of Jesus Christ IN MANKIND. We suffer these things are part of the suffering body of Christ until they are all conquered by Man using NATURAL MEANS, not miracles from God. This is our exercise and now we are coming to realize it. We are the Jesus Christ for this whole universe, the beginning, only the beginning, of the creation of God.
For instance, people used to suffer from small pox and died from it after suffering for a time. Now small pox is conquered and does not presently affect mankind any more BECAUSE those people before us suffered from it and because they did and it was overcome WE DO NOT SUFFER that particular thing any longer.
This is the way of the NATURAL PHYSICAL BODY OF CHRIST in the creation, coming forth to more and more victory over death and it's causes that are in the creation.
God bless, donken.
Some musings.
Truth is the Spirit. It can only be in the Spirit. Like the manna tht turned to worms soon after it fell(if not gathered quickly) our "truths" become letter, distributing death (mortality, confusion, chaos) if we don't walk in the Spirit. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit, quickened, it activates spiritual reality-which manifests in power and love and truth- all at once.
"The wind blows where it wills and you here the sound of it but you don't know where it is going to or from whence it comes, SO IT IS with everyone who is born of the Spirit. The Spirit always manifests the love of God, in communion and union, leading towards, "and they were all in one place in one accord.....And they were as one soul...".etc.
"God in a box"- no matter how large the box, is what the systematic theologies of men amount too. Thank God He will not be boxed.
IMO, In every generation there have been mature sons of God on the earth. The temptation to categorize our time, or a time to come, as the focus of the "new revelation" or the "culmination of truth" usually amounts to missing out on fellowship with the I AM in what He is doing NOW and what He wants to impart TODAY.
I do believe there are waves, crests, ebbs, in generations and ages. Since I believe in the physical historical return of Christ to earth as well as His continual coming in the temple of His people, it makes sense to me that there will be a major crest of mature sons coming forth from the womb of the Bride as His appearing nears- but they will only be the continuation of that which has been coming forth and being built in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus throughout the age and indeed throughout time- an "administration suitable to the fulness of times" the gathering of all things into Christ. Mature sons are, certainly, gatherers, not scatterers- ministers of reconciliation.
To "walk with God" as Enoch did, or as Elijah did..... to be the "friend of God" as Abraham was....to become a "man after God's heart" as David did. I believe these are the spiritual realities we seek as individuals, and in this age, should God be merciful, these will find themselves members of the body of Christ, like the seraphim, moving in the Spirit, eyes all around, having each others back.
The 12 th chapter of Romans describes this beautifully, as does the 4th chapter of Ephesians.
Walk worthy of your vocation, in all humility esteeming one another greater than yourselves...(Eph4 Paul sets the prerequisites before defining the 5-fold ministry further on in the chapter)
Yield your bodies a living sacrifice....be not conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your minds......let no man esteem himself more highly than he ought.....for to each one is given the measure of faith (Rom 12 Paul sets the prerequisite before defining the manifestations of the Spirit among the members of the body further on in the chapter)
God has so set the members in the body that there might be no schism(1 Cor12 or 14 i think-Paul explains the reason for diversity- to maintain interdependence and unity leading to harmony)
Let each one use his/her special gift in serving one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. (1 Peter 4:10 or maybe 2 Peter 4:10 Peter explains what gifts are given for and how to be a good steward of grace)
Walking in the Spirit is the truth. It always has been. The men who spoke and wrote the oracles of God did so because they were "God-breathed". Only as we walk in the Spirit do those truths, those words, renew our minds and transform us in mature sons.... "Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am meek and gentle of heart, and you will find rest for your souls".
Having seen the Spirit descend in such a way a few times in my life and watched myself and others try to turn it into a "movement" it is no wonder to me God is careful and purpose driven in His dispensation of the graces purchased for us by the blood of Jesus. I hope, as an older man, humbled by time, failure and the goodness of God, should be a part of such a thing again, I will be a better steward of it, in the midst of my brothers and sisters. :o)
I can agree that there may have been mature Christians in the world in times past, but ONLY according to what maturity was possible at those times. There has never been Jesus Christ returned to THE FLESH BODY yet. If one was mature as Jesus as a man was mature, then they would not have physically died, and as scripture says, it is an all or nothing event. They WITHOUT US will not be made perfect or completed. Jesus the Christ does not die again, the only one who does not die ever. Now, we can die spiritually as the old man and become the maturity of Christ as the new man, and THEN we can also receive the judgment of God which is what is entering the world not. And that judgment, coming to us, is what produces the "appearing of Jesus Christ" to us, in us, as His maturity and that makes us HIS flesh in truth and the blood in our body will be JESUS' BLOOD because the body and thus we will be Jesus Chirst.
And since the blood in that body, Jesus' body then, it is HIS BLOOD by which we were sanctified, by having HIS LIFE in us as our own. His lifestyle is HIS LIFE.
Thanks
Donken
:cloud9: I agree with a lot of what you say, but IMO, we are NEVER going to be Jesus Christ or even Jesus the Christ.
The error there that was fed to the body of sons is a wrong equation, that equation being, 1 = 1. The correct equation is 1 PLUS 1 = 1, in that we were one with Him from the foundation of the world that's true, BUT as a husband and his wife are two individuals, yet one in union, just as the head and the body are two, yet one in union. That's the pattern and the pattern cannot be broken, IMO. Blessings....
Hello Cardinal. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts {beliefs?}.
When a man and a woman cleave unto one another in the natural, they are never one except in the offspring. {Son?}. It is only in a true union genetically in the ova of the woman that becomes the flesh of the offspring that the natural man and the natural woman can ever truly be one person. This is the example for the spiritual, the parable if you like.
Jesus' parables were examples of earthly methods and workings that the people of his day were familiar with but the true spiritual meaning of the parables were not able to be understood by the people of that day. They did not have enough knowledge about how things work in the world at that time, never mind a spiritual knowledge to compare with.
Mankind {male and female} is THE WOMAN. You know the scripture in some places talks about the head covering of a woman when she prays etc. Well, the little kepi that the Jewish people wear is the example of that head covering and the head that is covered, that which is between mankind and God is the veil or mystery about GOD that Moses, the prophets, and every person every born has right from the beginning of their existence in the world.
Moses and the prophets, no matter how sincere and faithfully they believed what they believed about God, all believed naturally that the spirit of the world was what God was like and that God did and caused everything that happened in the world to happen. Ecclesiastes tells us that time and CHANCE happen to all. If God really was in charge of everything that happens in the world nothing would be happening by "chance". God said let them, man who is both male and female in the scriptures of Genesis, have dominion and that is what has been in charge in the world most of the time.
That is why the beasts that are pictured as kingdoms or dominions ruled by MEN. {horns of and out of the beasts}. The last dominion is democracy, where the eighth Kingdom is pictured as the beast itself, with no horns as Kings. IE.. the body of the beast is "supposed" to be the "ruler". OF course, it is still the ways of man that are in charge when the beast is "king" in the world.
Spiritually the spirit of life in or of man is the spiritual woman. The spirit of God coming in man and cleaving to the spirit of life in man produces the SON OF GOD within the flesh body of mankind. That is what scripture calls the Spirit leaves God and cleaves unto man and the TWO become ONE FLESH. The word flesh is what Ephesians says and the flesh or enmity in the flesh against God is subdued by and as the SON OF GOD when "fully mature".
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord the scripture says. We are only in need of being circumcised spiritually, not completely done away with. The flesh body becomes the new creature that becomes an increase to the Kingdom of Christ Jesus as the Son that God the father is in.
God is the spirit of life. Life is alive without needing a body to be alive. God is the Spirit of life and the final work and result of God in creating man is to be have the body of man be the SON that is born of God and the created being. When we become the mature Son of God, Jesus Christ is always that Son. God's seed bears absolutely true, we can say. If you can see this or accept even some or most of it, then you are at the very door and as it opens you will become one with the shepherd of the Sheep.
John writes about Jesus saying that He is the shepherd of the sheep and is the door, and says that anyone who enters by the door is the shepherd of the Sheep. When God says one, he really means ONE. There is never anyone in eternal life except God and there is none holy but God. All have to be ONE, absolutely one single spirit\nature to have eternal life.
God is not a respecter of persons. The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord that the LORD LIGHTS. Cardinal, the only way I would ever ever be able to intimately and entirely know you and what you like and don't like and what your preferences are and how you feel about things and how you do things is to be exactly who you are, one. I in you and you in me as the same personality of Spirit.
You can be the divine nature as who you are and you will be one with who God is. You do not have to know everything God knows right away to be one, but in the end You\me\we in Christ, Christ in us, Christ in God and we in God, all ONE PERSON but many vessels. There is absolutely no peace and no REAL TRUE union without that condition being absolutely true ONE PERSON.
Take a cup of coke, a thimble of coke, a glass of coke, and a cup of coke, and empty them out by filling them all with pure water and they are ALL ONE water and are called vessel of water, no matter what the outside looks like. The idea of not being able to be God is a doctrine of the sin of man. And, any doctrine that says we are already saved and thus one with God is also a doctrine of the man of sin, natural Adam.
As we understand these things and actually can believe the truth about God as being good only, never doing evil or harm to man or mankind at all, and that we are to be Jesus Christ, then we are nearly in the FULL LIGHT OF GOD's DAY. It is upon us, but as scripture says, it comes like daylight comes and shines from the east to the west. It can be dark in America and the day star, sunlight is shining in Europe, but by the end of one day the same sunlight shines to the whole earth.
God bless, Donken