Proverbs 27:20; Psams 9:17 Hell Never Full, Turned Into Hell

[jabcat]

Prov. 27:20
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

We know that hell here is the grave but I have heard Baptist preachers use these verses to prove that people are in hell fire burning now. All of these types of verses are used to show that people are burning in hell now.

(thanks to CHB for contribution)

[marie glen]

But that would be sentence before trial and conviction! 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 very clearly says that believers who die before Christ's return (second advent, literal as the first) will be raised up out of "sleep" when Jesus returns, and the believers alive (as opposed to dead/not living/not alive) will be raised "to meet the Lord in the air and so we" (all of this first resurrection) "will forever be with the Lord". No where does the Bible says that people go to 'heaven' or 'hell' upon their death. The verse in John chapter 14, when Jesus says "I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am you may be also" is quoted as saying this. But where did Jesus go? He went to be crucified so that where He is we may be also, in the "Father's house" which has many "abiding places" interpreted by some as "many mansions". Both may be true, but one enters "the Father's house" when one is saved, not at death. No where does God or Jesus say that death is another form of life. And the "second death" is only referred to after the second resurrection, which is i.e. the resurrection from a first "death".

1 Corinthians 15:53,54 says immortality will be "put on" at the last trump(et) i.e. at the first resurrection (verse 52). Immortality therefor is not put on upon one's death. (verses below)

All the verses used to claim folks are in 'hell' burning now, hang upon the premise of an immortal soul. If man/woman has an immortal soul, why does the Bible say "immortality will be put on" if immortality is within already?

The opposer is the one who said "surely you won't die!?" But God said (Genesis 3:19) "dust thou art". And "to dust shall you return" hence, resurrection, not innate immortality. I know many hypothesize this returning "to dust" changed after the resurrection of Jesus, but it is not written in (Bible) scripture. Besides, the Hebrew Spring holy days were fulfilled by Jesus' first advent, and the holy day representing the "firstfruit" Jesus was celebrated by waving one lone sheaf of wheat in the air, not many sheafs. Paul spoke of christians as "firstfruits" as living believers of his day, or perhaps all believers, but nothing about believers ascending to the Father. (Firstfruits, holy day/feast of; Leviticus 23:10[5-10])

***1 Corinthians 15:20-23
20 "But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming".

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 "But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

1 Corinthians 15:51-55
51 "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."[a]
       55 " O Death, where is your sting?
      O Hades, where is your victory?"  CROSS REFERENCE:
Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave;" (Strong's #7585 SHEOL cross reference Ecclesiastes 9:10 below)
      "I will redeem them from death.
      O Death, I will be your plagues!"...OR:
Hosea 13:14 (Young's Literal Translation)
14 "From the hand of Sheol I do ransom them, From death I redeem them, Where [is] thy plague, O death? Where thy destruction, O Sheol?"

Ecclesiastes 9:10(YLT)
"All that thy hand findeth to do, with thy power do, for there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in SHEOL whither thou art going." (Ecclesiastes 9:5 "...and the dead know not anything..")

Job 14:13 (Young's Literal Translation)
13-"O that in Sheol Thou wouldst conceal me..." (please torment me in fire?)

Genesis 37:33-35 (Young's Literal Translation)
33 "And he discerneth it, and saith, `My son's coat! an evil beast hath devoured him; torn -- torn is Joseph!' 34And Jacob rendeth his raiment, and putteth sackcloth on his loins, and becometh a mourner for his son many days, 35and all his sons and all his daughters rise to comfort him, and he refuseth to comfort himself, and saith, `For -- I go down mourning unto my son, to Sheol,' and his father weepeth for him." [I will go to my grave mourning]
         
SHEOL described:
Isaiah 14:11 "Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
      And the sound of your stringed instruments;
      The maggot is spread under you,
      And worms cover you.'"

Psalm 22:29 "...All those who go down to the dust
         Shall bow before Him..."

Ephesians 4:9 "Now this, "He ascended"—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth?" rose from the lower parts of earth, from the dust, the grave.. He was buried and rose..